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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2889975]What danger? We know the suit is bulletproof and he has the farce push so there really is no threat from gunfire doing any harm. If it hand been an image of BP standing on his two feet surrounded by armored thugs with hi-tech weapons, you could have conveyed a greater sense of drama and an anticipation of what T'Challa was going to do.
That image just left many people scratching their heads.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't it be interesting if you'd have to read the comic to find out ;)
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2890069]Wouldn't it be interesting if you'd have to read the comic to find out ;)[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]We won't see [I]that[/I] kind of story in BP so not likely. Sad face. Sad face. Sad, sad face.
But we're just talking about the cover itself so it kinda makes me not interested to read more of what I already don't like.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Global Honored;2889302]I love the cover art for 16 even if it can conjure up some controversial and negative imagery, now I am ready to see the Panther pounce with a "is that all you got?" response and respond and answer in a way that overcomes and disproves those beaten man notions.
Also, ComiXology is having a big sale on BP comics if there are some you may be missing out on, and are into the digital thing.[/QUOTE]
Out of curiosity, what aspects of the cover do you find "controversial & negative" and why?
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2889975]What danger? We know the suit is bulletproof and he has the farce push so there really is no threat from gunfire doing any harm. If it hand been an image of BP standing on his two feet surrounded by armored thugs with hi-tech weapons, you could have conveyed a greater sense of drama and an anticipation of what T'Challa was going to do.
That image just left many people scratching their heads.[/QUOTE]
We don't know the danger exactly. We don't know who those guys are or what exactly they are capable of, and as others have said it's entirely possible the art work isn't a literal translation of what is in the actual book.
But that's the reason to read the book and find out. We discover who did this, how and why, and what T'Challa is about to do about it.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2890116]We don't know the danger exactly. We don't know who those guys are or what exactly they are capable of, and as others have said it's entirely possible the art work isn't a literal translation of what is in the actual book.
But that's the reason to read the book and find out. We discover who did this, how and why, and what T'Challa is about to do about it.[/QUOTE]
Again, the issue isn't that the cover is a representation or misrepresentation of what is inside the book. The problem is that the cover does not make sense because we know the abilities of T'Challa and the suit he wears. A scene like that shouldn't happen at all, whether or not we see it in the book.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2890144]Again, the issue isn't that the cover is a representation or misrepresentation of what is inside the book. The problem is that the cover does not make sense because we know the abilities of T'Challa and the suit he wears. A scene like that shouldn't happen at all, whether or not we see it in the book.[/QUOTE]
Assuming the cover is an accurate potrayal of what's going on, the point being we don't know what's going on .... hence reading it to find out. Maybe bad guys have found weaponry capable of getting around the properties of vibranium. Again, we have to actually read the book to find out how he got in that situation and how he's going to get out of it.
The fact that they seemingly got around his defenses is what creates the sense of danger. They have seemingly countered his first line of defense ... they seemingly hit him with their best shot. The expression on BP's face tells me that he took it but it wasn't enough to keep him down because he's getting back up. Again, the draw is seeing what he will do when he gets backs up.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2890177]Assuming the cover is an accurate potrayal of what's going on, the point being we don't know what's going on .... hence reading it to find out. Maybe bad guys have found weaponry capable of getting around the properties of vibranium. Again, we have to actually read the book to find out how he got in that situation and how he's going to get out of it.
The fact that they seemingly got around his defenses is what creates the sense of danger. They have seemingly countered his first line of defense ... they seemingly hit him with their best shot. The expression on BP's face tells me that he took it but it wasn't enough to keep him down because he's getting back up. Again, the draw is seeing what he will do when he gets backs up.[/QUOTE]
You miss the point again. I've already said that issue isn't what is inside the book since we haven't read it. The problem is the cover and it's misrepresentation of T'Challa's abilities. We know the habit is bullet proof as evidenced in earlier runs. We know that it takes a lot more than bullets to do any damage to the suit as evidenced in previous runs. We've seen T'Challa fight and disarm several opponents while evading bullets as seen in previous runs.
Regardless of what happens inside the book we know that T'Challa has faced far worse than what is seen on the cover and has barely been affected. The cover is the issue, not what may or may not be inside the book.
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Yeah, it's a bu-sh cover.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2890221]You miss the point again. I've already said that issue isn't what is inside the book since we haven't read it. The problem is the cover and it's misrepresentation of T'Challa's abilities. We know the habit is bullet proof as evidenced in earlier runs. We know that it takes a lot more than bullets to do any damage to the suit as evidenced in previous runs. We've seen T'Challa fight and disarm several opponents while evading bullets as seen in previous runs.
Regardless of what happens inside the book we know that T'Challa has faced far worse than what is seen on the cover and has barely been affected. The cover is the issue, not what may or may not be inside the book.[/QUOTE]
The fact that they shouldn't be able to get past his defenses but did is exactly what makes that scene threatening. They seemingly neutralized penetrated his protective suit, leaving him in a vulnerable state. You don't know who these guys are or how they did it or how BP will get out of this situation ... hence reading inside to find out.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2888476]Only two BP books were cancelled (WoW and The Crew). Which book is the third?
The main BP book is doing well digitally. Always has been ranked in the top 15 of the bestsellers list in Comixology, with most of season 1 ranked in the top 10. That alone will most likely prevent the book from being cancelled.
Also, when was the last time Marvel actually removed a writer from a book due to low sales (genuine question)? From my understanding, they just cancel the book if sales are that bad.
I suspect Marvel will simply relaunch the book with Coates writing it. They've done this before with Hudlin, from Vol 4. to Vol. 5.
Wasn't expecting Luke's book to do well, but 66th? His sales might possibly be in the Nighthawk #1 and Mosaic #1 ballpark. That's baffling considering how popular the character is today.[/QUOTE]
If popularity with casuals equaled sales at the comics stands Green Arrow wouldn't be at 85th place (and for THAT character, that placing is good).
Luke has leagues of fans who are never ever gonna set foot in an LCS, buy a trade or buy comics digitally.
It's more likely they'll buy a trade than anything else, I will say that much.
But those trade sales figures won't show up for a while.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2890348]The fact that they shouldn't be able to get past his defenses but did is exactly what makes that scene threatening. They seemingly neutralized penetrated his protective suit, leaving him in a vulnerable state. You don't know who these guys are or how they did it or how BP will get out of this situation ... hence reading inside to find out.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000000"][B]You miss the point again. I've already said that issue isn't what is inside the book since we haven't read it. The problem is the cover and it's misrepresentation of T'Challa's abilities. We know the habit is bullet proof as evidenced in earlier runs. We know that it takes a lot more than bullets to do any damage to the suit as evidenced in previous runs. We've seen T'Challa fight and disarm several opponents while evading bullets as seen in previous runs.
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Regardless of what happens inside the book we know that T'Challa has faced far worse than what is seen on the cover and has barely been affected. The cover is the issue, not what may or may not be inside the book.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;2889256]Oh would you look at that. What's Coates going to say this time? The Vb habit absorbed too much energy and it overloaded, and tore?
But...
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Must be a different kind of Vb...[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Must be a different kind of Black Panther. Look at all those bullets and not a scratch.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=XPac;2889926]The torn costume is likely selling the idea of drama. Had it shown him standing there with bullets bouncing off of him, there's not the same sense of danger. You don't necessarily want to get across the idea that what T'Challa does or a living is easy.[/QUOTE]
[B]Please, Show me how him kneeling to fodder is drama? Having him fully unharmed, Habit fully intact, Claws drawn in the crouched position ready to launch into action seems a lot more dramatic this is crap of a cover.
Or better yet, why not up the threat to something worthy of him looking a little battered but ready to kick ass.
This looks good, and dramtic
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Funny How all of those look dramatic without Making T'Challa look weak at all.
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I see that Coates "T'Challa on his knees" protocols are still in full effect. Lol!
Props to Blind Wedjat, Marvell2100 and Ezyo1000 for keeping it 100% as usual.
You guys totally rock. :)
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[QUOTE=Global Honored;2889457]My thinking is that you take that imagery of being held down and oppressed and you feel that rage and that stirs some things up then inside the pages it would be powerful to subvert it. For BP to respond to that situation and put down those who wish for him to be subservient, weak, etc.
That is the point and potential I get out of it. Yes the image is powerful and makes me want to see what the issue is trying to say, how TChalla responds, that he has taken enough of that spit and now he is about to rise up and put those who would hold him down in their place.
Plus these are obviously well armed organized men in a shared uniform trying to keep BP at bay. That conjures up all sorts of feelings, and I am reading that image as TCHalla having taken enough of it and his rage is about to be felt, he's past the point of patience with this.
The story then wouldn't be hiding from preconceptions, it would be saying right on the cover that this is what some people want to see BP as and it ultimately would then be responsible for upending, disproving, subverting that power as T'Challa proves superior to those that want to hold him down. That's the fight, right.
I'm also looking at it with the eyes of a middle class, college educated white guy who believes himself to be fairly progressive. I understand perspectives vary. Full disclosure, that is what I am seeing in the imagery. That it is trying to raise some eyebrows, make a statement, maybe even invite some debate. I guess it falls to the story itself whether T'Challa can overcome either figuratively or literally.[/QUOTE]
The imagery of the armed uniformed guys unloading firearms on a downed black man, that's the dramatic imagery that makes people stop and look. They have him surrounded and are trying to keep him down. I get that is a heated picture. The thing here is that T'Challa is the hero and we have hope in him that he isn't going to be a part of another sad and unjust scene, that he is going to subvert that idea, break that pattern and show them who they are messing with. At least that is the potential dramatic element and the hope to see in the book either figuratively or literally. Take a heated and important issue, place your hero in it and give him the chance to respresent right and the possibility of a better way, that evil gets punished not innocent/good. At least that is the hope for the issue.