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[QUOTE=XPac;3690272]The thing is there is already rape and human traficing in the US even without Hydra taking it over. Crime has always existed. You can blame government for not handling it as well as one might want when whatever calastrophy occurs, but the point being this stuff happens regardless.[/QUOTE]
This wasn't a small-scale operation. These people were grabbing women right and left, and had physical strongholds. They weren't even working all that covertly... rather than existing as part of some sort of underground, they literally did their business OVER the ground, in easy to spot treehouse camps. In a country roughly the size of New Jersey. But somehow, nobody noticed...
(And it's even worse in WoW. There's an entire page just rattling off the crimes going on that Wakandan law enforcement can't handle... because T'Challa is "distracted".
Funny, I didn't think the Wakandans were so helpless they needed the king to tell them how to do their jobs. I suppose we should consider ourselves lucky that they can walk and breathe at the same time….)
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3690116]I think the in comic reason was, "T'challa was busy/distracted" lol....
One of the issues with hollywood is that the only black movies were slave movies and stereotypical Africa. That is why BP movie was so refreshing.
Coates S1 was stereotypical Africa.
I guess S3 is going to be the slave movie. Hopefully he can pull it off better than season 1, which was incredibly fake deep and superficial.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Coates is doing Roots/12 Years A Slave in Season 3.
The only difference between S1 and S3 is the art and setting. It's still a slight against BP/Wakanda.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3690299]This wasn't a small-scale operation. These people were grabbing women right and left, and had physical strongholds. They weren't even working all that covertly... rather than existing as part of some sort of underground, they literally did their business OVER the ground, in easy to spot treehouse camps. In a country roughly the size of New Jersey. But somehow, nobody noticed...
(And it's even worse in WoW. There's an entire page just rattling off the crimes going on that Wakandan law enforcement can't handle... because T'Challa is "distracted".
Funny, I didn't think the Wakandans were so helpless they needed the king to tell them how to do their jobs. I suppose we should consider ourselves lucky that they can walk and breathe at the same time….)[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Everyone being too incompetent or not concerned enough to stop the rapes other than the Doras is rather convenient.
Where are the mothers, fathers and brothers looking for their lost daughters and sisters?
A distracted T'Challa means Wakanda as a whole becomes dysfunctional?
Pretty convenient to the Dora's cause.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3690257]You know...
I can't be the only person who finds the justification for the whole "rape camp" situation to be somewhat disingenuous at best, and almost racist at worst.
After all, how many times has Atlantis, Latveria, or Attilan been demolished by an Event™, but nobody expected them to suddenly descend into anarchy and depravity.
Hell, HYDRA just conquered the entire US, but somehow, they managed to recover without having to shut down warlord strongholds in Nebraska.
But Wakanda gets a couple of invasions, seemingly recovers enough to not only fund a space program but also bankroll Alpha Flight... but the population just can't help but devolve into lawlessness... it's only "logical".
Why is it "logical" for Wakanda, but everyone else gets a free pass to hit the Big Red Reset Button™?[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]You're not the only one. Many people have made this argument ever since issue #1.
Only Wakanda gets to continue suffering in misery and the blame will be placed at the feet of a distracted inept king who leads a nation full of misogynists.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=XPac;3690282]It's fiction. Things can be dealt with as realistically as a writer chooses.[/QUOTE]
BINGO!
Spinn all the justifications and excuses you want. EVERYTHING happens because the great and wonderful Ta-Nehesi Coates, darling of the academic set, WANTS it to happen. Whether it makes sense or not, because things like coherent plots and consistent characterization mean SQUAT when there's a Message™ to deliver.
And NOTHING I've seen makes me think that TNC won't continue with his heavy-handed and pretentious preaching. Hell, I was recently informed that not only was the first issue of the new run named after a James Baldwin essay, but one of the longest pieces of dialogue that wasn't cliched bad-guy speech, infodumps, or "Come back to me" was actually a paraphrase of Dr. Khalid Abdul Muhammed (by way of Public Enemy):
"Have you forgotten that once we were brought here, we were robbed of our names, robbed of our language. We lost our religion, our culture, our God; and many of us, by the way we act, we even lost our minds!"
[img]https://i.imgur.com/ntFD851.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=Cville;3690265]It's not just you. Lol. After Manhattan came out of the Darkhold bubble, it should have been similar to Escape from New York/No Mans Land for at least 12 issues in all the NY based comics.[/QUOTE]
That would have been cool.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3690316]BINGO!
Spinn all the justifications and excuses you want. EVERYTHING happens because the great and wonderful Ta-Nehesi Coates, darling of the academic set, WANTS it to happen. Whether it makes sense or not, because things like coherent plots and consistent characterization mean SQUAT when there's a Message™ to deliver.
And NOTHING I've seen makes me think that TNC won't continue with his heavy-handed and pretentious preaching. Hell, I was recently informed that not only was the first issue of the new run named after a James Baldwin essay, but one of the longest pieces of dialogue that wasn't cliched bad-guy speech, infodumps, or "Come back to me" was actually a paraphrase of Dr. Khalid Abdul Muhammed (by way of Public Enemy):
[B]"Have you forgotten that once we were brought here, we were robbed of our names, robbed of our language. We lost our religion, our culture, our God; and many of us, by the way we act, we even lost our minds!"
[/B][img]https://i.imgur.com/ntFD851.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]When I read that part, that was the first thing to come to mind.
It wasn't bad, he just basically said it word for word without trying at least not go almost verbatim.[/COLOR]
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Tchalla going to need to step his game up. Mr. Terrific is getting the cool toys.
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qM346TTVryA/WwWW01xYdsI/AAAAAAAACN4/hU4ycO5FpYws2sOGfhRczdmi5yGs5DygwCHMYCw/s1600/RCO006.jpg[/img]
And I liked how he addressed who is smarter issues.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3690323][COLOR="#000080"]When I read that part, that was the first thing to come to mind.
It wasn't bad, he just basically said it word for word without trying at least not go almost verbatim.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Uncredited, I noticed. At least when he quoted "Root Song" by Henry Dumas in issue #3 of the first run he gave him due credit (tucked away on the credits page that nobody reads, but still). Not that it didn't stop people from assuming Coates wrote it anyway, even on this very thread. I'm sure they'll give him credit for the scene in the latest issue too. :P
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[QUOTE=Cville;3690326]Tchalla going to need to step his game up. Mr. Terrific is getting the cool toys.
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qM346TTVryA/WwWW01xYdsI/AAAAAAAACN4/hU4ycO5FpYws2sOGfhRczdmi5yGs5DygwCHMYCw/s1600/RCO006.jpg[/img]
And I liked how he addressed who is smarter issues.
[Img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Nlp-Yq0UDQU/WwWW32VFwJI/AAAAAAAACPE/LjnL34ZrM6wKdbghcA9ijygjkg6hcrswwCHMYCw/s1600/RCO012.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]The Terrifics is a good read, really enjoying that series.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3690341]Uncredited, I noticed. At least when he quoted "Root Song" by Henry Dumas in issue #3 of the first run he gave him due credit (tucked away on the credits page that nobody reads, but still). Not that it didn't stop people from assuming Coates wrote it anyway, even on this very thread. [B]I'm sure they'll give him credit for the scene in the latest issue too[/B]. :P[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]I wouldn't doubt it at all.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=XPac;3690272]The thing is there is already rape and human traficing in the US even without Hydra taking it over. Crime has always existed. You can blame government for not handling it as well as one might want when whatever calastrophy occurs, but the point being this stuff happens regardless.[/QUOTE]
[B] Difference is after secret empire, us didn't have this whole rape trafficking, overthrow the government, drug ring terrorists attack going on while the heroes mope about how they failed.. Moore business as usual citizens have their Faith restored in heroes.. Nevada has been destroyed? Eh we won't talk about that[/B]
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3690316]BINGO!
Spinn all the justifications and excuses you want. EVERYTHING happens because the great and wonderful Ta-Nehesi Coates, darling of the academic set, WANTS it to happen. Whether it makes sense or not, because things like coherent plots and consistent characterization mean SQUAT when there's a Message™ to deliver.
And NOTHING I've seen makes me think that TNC won't continue with his heavy-handed and pretentious preaching. Hell, I was recently informed that not only was the first issue of the new run named after a James Baldwin essay, but one of the longest pieces of dialogue that wasn't cliched bad-guy speech, infodumps, or "Come back to me" was actually a paraphrase of Dr. Khalid Abdul Muhammed (by way of Public Enemy):
"Have you forgotten that once we were brought here, we were robbed of our names, robbed of our language. We lost our religion, our culture, our God; and many of us, by the way we act, we even lost our minds!"
[img]https://i.imgur.com/ntFD851.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
[B] That's what bugs me a ton. He isn't original at all. He simply takes work from others and gets credit from it. From the titles of everything season to Dumas, to Khalid, to Baldwin, hell Evans has to Fight for credit in his own Damn book that Coates has barely been a consultant for, yet marvel gives Coates tops billing and articles talk as though it's Coates work.
The dude leeches off other people's work and passes or off as his own original stuff . [/B]
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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;3690283]You didn't answer his question: Why is it "logical" for Wakanda, but everyone else gets a free pass to hit the Big Red Reset Button™?[/QUOTE]
IN a pure meta sense, a story gets a reset of the writer wants a reset. But events can have consequences which a story can milk. But if a writer decided to go a different direction, then they reset and do something else.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3690400]IN a pure meta sense, a story gets a reset of the writer wants a reset. But events can have consequences which a story can milk. But if a writer decided to go a different direction, then they reset and do something else.[/QUOTE]
Which is also why one of the most advanced cultures on 616!Earth could not defeat an X-Villain who, in his last appearance, was trapped by metal walls and held off by freaking BOOM-BOOM. Unless, of course, they prayed to their monarch's ex. :D