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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;294587]And your point is? :confused:
All the changes Bendis engineered in the GOTG comic as far as cast and characterization, took place in the comic before the movie. (which i yet to be released)
The obvious change in Star Lord's attire is the main thing that's been inspired by the movie iteration.
And as far as Dr Strange not having a Director despite not having a comic book presently in circulation, he's still better off than T'Challa who's languishing in developmental limbo whilst all of his signature tropes are being palmed off to other character and franchises.
Next. :cool:[/QUOTE]
My point is all the pearl clutching over if the character's standing in the comics is
leading to a movie screwjob is over the top.
But you guys feel free to continue to see conspiracies everywhere.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;294737]My point is all the pearl clutching over if the character's standing in the comics is
leading to a movie screwjob is over the top.
But you guys feel free to continue to see conspiracies everywhere.[/QUOTE]
Slow your role.
Sure the movies arent the comics but to say Black Panther, Vibranium and by association Wakanda diminishing is nothing more than a conspiracy is flat out wrong.
All it would have taken was a throwaway line..My friend from Wakanda came up with the design--when it came to the Quinnjet. Notice how Strange was name dropped for no reason.
When fans want equal treatment for a character--why is it called complaining? Sounds a little back-handed.
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[QUOTE=ExcelsiorPrime;294803]Slow your role.
Sure the movies arent the comics but to say Black Panther, Vibranium and by association Wakanda diminishing is nothing more than a conspiracy is flat out wrong.
All it would have taken was a throwaway line..My friend from Wakanda came up with the design--when it came to the Quinnjet. Notice how Strange was name dropped for no reason.
When fans want equal treatment for a character--why is it called complaining? Sounds a little back-handed.[/QUOTE]
I kinda doubt Strange was name dropped for NO reason. I think it might be an indicator of Strange being one of the properties marvel is getting ready to do more with. But we'll see.
As far as Quinkets being designed by Stark instead of Wakanda... I can understand why that might be an issue for some. It certainly would have been possible to name drop Wakanda there. On the flip side, it does sort of make sense for Stark to design the stuff himself rather than needing Wakanda to do it for him and Stark is an existing character in the movieverse anyways.
Plus (and this is in part speculation on my part) I do suspect there will be some Stark related tech issues coming down the road with Ultron, so having Stark design the SHIELD and Avengers tech I suspect is laying some groundwork for future stories. Though again, that's speculation on my part.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;294737]My point is all the pearl clutching over if the character's standing in the comics is
leading to a movie screwjob is over the top.
But you guys feel free to continue to see conspiracies everywhere.[/QUOTE]
I can't (and won't) speak for anyone else, but I will continue to speak on any observations I make and discuss same with my peers in this thread.
I could care less whether this equates to "seeing conspiracies everywhere" in your eyes.
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[QUOTE=XPac;294863]
As far as Quinkets being designed by Stark instead of Wakanda... I can understand why that might be an issue for some. It certainly would have been possible to name drop Wakanda there. [B]On the flip side, it does sort of make sense for Stark to design the stuff himself rather than needing Wakanda to do it for him and Stark is an existing character in the movieverse anyways.[/B]
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On what bizzaro world does the bolded segment in your post make any kind of sense?
A sizable portion of this discussion revolves around what constitutes as being the strip mining of signature tropes from the BP mythos.
We're not talking about minor things here but foundational aspects of T'Challa's origin and character as established within the MU by the original freaking architects of this whole shindig.
Stark is responsible for developing every facet of Stark Tech depicted on the printed page as well as up on the big screen and that is acceptable and to be expected.
There's is absolutely zero reason for any of the achievements and technological advancements attributed to T'Challa in the comics to now be credited to Stark in the movies regardless of whatever wholly convoluted reasoning some would choose to apply by way of justification.
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;295086]Only if the editor allows Sue to use him or reference him.
It just seems like they don't want him around but don't have the balls to just say it.
Well tell the sheep that will ALMOST buy anything that doesn't have a female or minority lead in it. A whole lot of books would still be around if stop buying something because it says Avengers or Batman or X-Men. Even those guys have crappy stories once in awhile.[/QUOTE]
If Marvel didn't want T'Challa around then he wouldn't be around.
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Oh but it does. "Witness the redemption" is a cog in my Rube Goldberg machine that ends with a black panther movie
I'll give you a taste of the next machination. Where did they film marvel movies such as avengers and winter soldier?
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[QUOTE=XPac;294863]I kinda doubt Strange was name dropped for NO reason. I think it might be an indicator of Strange being one of the properties marvel is getting ready to do more with. But we'll see.
As far as Quinkets being designed by Stark instead of Wakanda... I can understand why that might be an issue for some. It certainly would have been possible to name drop Wakanda there. On the flip side, it does sort of make sense for Stark to design the stuff himself rather than needing Wakanda to do it for him and Stark is an existing character in the movieverse anyways.
Plus (and this is in part speculation on my part) I do suspect there will be some Stark related tech issues coming down the road with Ultron, so having Stark design the SHIELD and Avengers tech I suspect is laying some groundwork for future stories. Though again, that's speculation on my part.[/QUOTE]
What reason was his name mentioned?? It didn't move the plot along. It was a name drop for name drop sake.
Your speculation tends to be i can criticize things but when others do it its for no reason.
i like reading your posts..its the easy dismissive replies I don't understand
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[QUOTE=ExcelsiorPrime;295228]What reason was his name mentioned?? It didn't move the plot along. It was a name drop for name drop sake.
Your speculation tends to be i can criticize things but when others do it its for no reason.
i like reading your posts..its the easy dismissive replies I don't understand[/QUOTE]
Strange being mentioned wasn't exactly vital to the plot, but it made sense. He was essentially saying that very powerful heroes like Strange and Hulk were being monitored. Strange is ARGUABLY the most powerful superhero on earth, so he's easily one of the first heroes that one would include on that list.
Plus, like I said I think he's name dropped because they're doing something with him down the pike. Though I'm not entirely sure that's confirmed (could fall under the speculation category).
Beyond that, it is just a fun name drop. And name dropping is fun. I like when they do it, and frankly wish they would do it more. But I can also understand the idea of simplifying and streamlining things with the characters they have so as not to overly convolute things. I frankly expect that sort of storytelling. So I can honestly go either way.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;294052]Anybody else remember the American Panther freakout?[/QUOTE]
Oh boy, do I ever. And it's such a shame too, because the story was good, and the set-up to get Kasper in the suit would have been awesome. And it got cancelled too early (because so many refused to give Liss the benefit of the doubt from day one). I think (as a general comment to all CBR) posters need to either have a little more faith OR accept to roll with the punches. When Gillen put Wiccan/Hulkling "on a break" a few freaked out, but the majority repeated one simple phrase: faith in Gillen. And we were amply rewarded; AND the threads remained positive (which is always a good thing). :)
[QUOTE=Seraphan;295534]Yikes. On the KSD stuff.
She actually opened a door that has not been mentioned. While the Wakandan Vibranium mining tuff is cool, KSD could possibly rebiliate shadow physics in a positive way, if the Spartax actually made a fleet with that variation of Vibranium. T'challa could render it inert. Probably will never get to that point though.[/QUOTE]
Sadly, based on the reaction to mentioning vibranium, I'd advise KSD to stay away from doing anything with Shadow Physics. Best to explore Strange's magic or Pym's science, if she wants to do anything like that. I'd love to see her involve the BP mythos more (she'd make an awesome writer for a BP solo); but she needs to weigh achievement vs hassle if she's going to do it. If it's a passing reference, I'd recommend referencing something else.
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[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;296040]Oh boy, do I ever. And it's such a shame too, because the story was good, and the set-up to get Kasper in the suit would have been awesome. And it got cancelled too early (because so many refused to give Liss the benefit of the doubt from day one). I think (as a general comment to all CBR) posters need to either have a little more faith OR accept to roll with the punches. When Gillen put Wiccan/Hulkling "on a break" a few freaked out, but the majority repeated one simple phrase: faith in Gillen. And we were amply rewarded; AND the threads remained positive (which is always a good thing). :)
Sadly, based on the reaction to mentioning vibranium, I'd advise KSD to stay away from doing anything with Shadow Physics. Best to explore Strange's magic or Pym's science, if she wants to do anything like that. I'd love to see her involve the BP mythos more (she'd make an awesome writer for a BP solo); but she needs to weigh achievement vs hassle if she's going to do it. If it's a passing reference, I'd recommend referencing something else.[/QUOTE]
Shadow physics, like vibranium, is something linked to the Black Panther mythos that hasn't been fleshed out anywhere else. If indeed the whole thing about BP writers/books having first dibs is reflective of the attitude of the BP fan base as a whole (and it might not be), then yeah... it might be a good idea to just leave shadow physics alone until Hickman or someone else wants to play with it, and use something else. There are other viable plot device out there which would potentially have less baggage attached. Though if KDS says screw it and uses whatever the heck she wants (with Marvels okay of course), then more power to her.
And I have absolutely nothing bad to say about Liss' Black Panther run. Best since Priest. He had the benefit of the doubt from me since the very first he wrote. It's a shame (though unfortunately not entirely surprising) that the book ended so soon.
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[QUOTE=ExcelsiorPrime;295228]What reason was his name mentioned?? It didn't move the plot along. It was a name drop for name drop sake.
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Because he is the next, new, single hero movie coming out.
Or, really, just so nerds can look around the theater to see if anyone else caught the name drop and feel good about themselves.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;296590]Because he is the next, new, single hero movie coming out.
Or, really, just so nerds can look around the theater to see if anyone else caught the name drop and feel good about themselves.[/QUOTE]
Probably all of the above.
Even if there wasn't a Dr. Strange movie, it's a fun name drop to throw out there. Everyone knows who the Hulk is, but if you know who Dr. Strange is then you're more in that inner circle.
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When you don't have established canon that jumps around sporadically according to each new reboot/retcon things like this happen because a writer who does bother to research can easily overlook something that has no genuine consistency or cohesiveness to it!
Black Panther baseball cards need to be available for actual skill sets and powers... This is a NO DUH concept that should be a basic standard for all super heroes!
To just not do this is either lazy or blatantly neglectful... We need to know origins and talents long before 20 plus issues have been made for sale otherwise what the FRAK have we been reading all this time!
Anywho...
Just like with Hudlin's lucrative run that made more money for Black Panther than any other writer in history let's search for that lightning in a bottle outside the box...
Marvel has less than 2% black writers working at the office and assuming that embarrassing Donald Sterling type leaked tapes of some Marvel/Disney executive going racially ballistic suppose they troubleshooted this by seeking out new black talent to write the Black Panther to offset and appease the controversy!
Bringing Hudlin back is an option but he is not the only black writer in Hollywood so let's propose some new blood that could possibly carry weight towards a Black Panther movie!
John Singleton - It's about time he got further away from movies that are a couple million dollars away from going straight to DVD. Once linked to both Luke Cage and the Black Panther he could add that cinematic feel needed to push the Black Panther agenda forward.
Djimon Hounsou - It's time to beef up that resume beyond just the co-star roles that make the white male protagonist seem more heroic than they are in real life. He is intelligent enough to pull it off and already has experience playing the voice of the Black Panther in the heavy trending cartoon.
Keith David - Already a Black Panther alum via voiceover he has the resume that proves he does more than just sing and act and could add valuable intel as a Hollywood insider to the mythos.
Spike Lee - This might be a stretch but Spike Lee could surprise people if he switched up the flow and went all in Spielberg blockbuster style although the M. Night Shyamalan vibe could sting him here. If Spike let go of the pseudo negro spiritual aura his movies create he might be the go to man.
Allen and Albert Hughes - With movies like The Book of Eli doing well this nepotistic tandem together could add some missing flavor to this intellectual franchise and go in directions others might fear to tread. Having two sets of eyes instead of one could lead to many great things down the line and actually have two "Point Men" on look out instead of just one.
Antoine Fuqua - Lights, camera, action... That's all I got say Google this dude if you don't know already!
Tim Story - If he can manage to get the heavy handed micromanaging company off his back like he failed to do with the Fantastic Four movies he could bring something special to the table. The problem here is that at FOX Studios he allowed too many chefs in the kitchen and almost went too campy but here in the Marvel cinematic universe the tone has already been set for most of the adjoining movies and he could go all in and do what he has to do to get the job done.
Denzel Washington - Would this man even stoop to a level to write but a mere comic book? YES... If it were tied to a movie ready for production and since comic books are nothing but story boards gone wild anyway this accomplished director could actually serve double duties and the need for a "Point Man" would go out the window as most people fear approaching Denzel from the wrong angle anyway because at this stage in his career it's too late to make him wear a dress or compromise his man-up values.
All The Black Male Actors Associated With Playing Black Panther - Chiwetel, Nate, Boyega, Chestnut... All those names that circulate the Black Panther franchise should first pay their dues as writers and put in work to prove why they feel that they have what it takes to play the King's Favorite King. Most actors in Hollywood usually do something more than just act like sing, dance and wait tables between gigs. If Hugh Jackman can sing and dance and play Wolverine so too can can the brothas act and write comics to get fanboy certified!
Now that having the Black Panther in ensemble events with a heavy hitting main "Architect" has not exceeded any expectations it's time to go back to the well and pull out another black writer and see if this intellectual franchise can start paying it's own bills this time around like it did with Hudlin!
A celebrity name a little bit bigger than Hudlin's could bring in those other fans when the current ones start hemorrhaging off by the 20th issue over Slow Burn fatigue... Plus celebrities love to do interviews and Q and A's all the time for vanity purposes while the regular comic writers hardly speak to you except at conventions twice a year!
"Point Man" by default...
Carry on...
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[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;296040]Oh boy, do I ever. And it's such a shame too, because the story was good, and the set-up to get Kasper in the suit would have been awesome. And it got cancelled too early (because so many refused to give Liss the benefit of the doubt from day one). I think (as a general comment to all CBR) posters need to either have a little more faith OR accept to roll with the punches. When Gillen put Wiccan/Hulkling "on a break" a few freaked out, but the majority repeated one simple phrase: faith in Gillen. And we were amply rewarded; AND the threads remained positive (which is always a good thing).[/QUOTE]
And as far as David Liss's BP run being cancelled, that had absolutely nothing to do with BP enthusiasts and a lot more to do with the fact that having that book still running by the time AvX came around would have derailed one of the primary objectives of that event.
Namely, the destruction of the marriage between T'Challa and Ororo.
David Liss still had T'Challa and Ororo interacting as a loving couple (albeit long distance) with zero hints of marital problems or general discord so it's pretty obvious that having a Black panther solo book portraying Ororo and T'Challa like this.....
[IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/11sd0xv.jpg[/IMG]
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running concurrently with an event depicting the same couple like this....
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would have been impossible to explain away or justify.