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[B]If anyone here was/is currently serving the military I just want to say, I'm glad I share my birthday on the day we say thank you for all your hard work and sacrifice.
[Img]https://www.greetingseveryday.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Happy-Veterans-Day-Wishes-Free-Ecards-1.gif[/img] [/B]
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2401892]Oh, this is rich. The Crew gets shuffled off in almost a Hickman-esque fashion, and we discover that Misty was asked to come [B]"because I heard about you from Luke"[/B].
So much for T'Challa's "day ones". :)
Ah well... I dropped my last Big Two comic this week. I suppose it's time to move on.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I guess he was unaware of the fact that they worked together when T'Challa was in hells kitchen!
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2402076][B]If anyone here was/is currently serving the military I just want to say, I'm glad I share my birthday on the day we say thank you for all your hard work and sacrifice.
[Img]https://www.greetingseveryday.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Happy-Veterans-Day-Wishes-Free-Ecards-1.gif[/img] [/B][/QUOTE]
Thanks! USMC GET SOME!!!!!
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[QUOTE=memnoch;2402118]Yeah I guess he was unaware of the fact that they worked together when T'Challa was in hells kitchen![/QUOTE]
I don't remember Misty Knight in the Hells Kitchen arc.
That was Luke and Falcon (and Storm on issue and Spider-Man another issue).
Misty showed up in Priest's run one arc withall those other street level people.
Unless I am forgetting an issue (which is possible)
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[QUOTE=ed2962;2401983]I'm not sure what you're taste are, but if you're looking for a minority led indie, I'd say perhaps give Black Monday Murders a try. It's a large cast but the reader identification character is a black detective who's investigating occult murders in the financial district. The writing is by Hickman and it's really dense, but you might find it interesting.
Goldie Vance is fun, but it's more a kid's/family book. Spunky tween solves little mysteries.
If you haven't read it yet, track down David Walker's Shaft comics. It's better than Nighthawk and way better than Cyborg.[/QUOTE]
"Hickman-esque" is NOT a compliment, my friend. :D
Right now, the only ongoing I'm subscribed to is [I]Atomic Robo[/I]. Escapist adventure & fun is more important to me than the race (or indeed species) of the protagonist. :)
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2402125]I don't remember Misty Knight in the Hells Kitchen arc.
That was Luke and Falcon (and Storm on issue and Spider-Man another issue).
Misty showed up in Priest's run one arc withall those other street level people.
Unless I am forgetting an issue (which is possible)[/QUOTE]
That was my memory as well, I remember Luke Cage and I remember Falcon. Those were the two big ones I remember.
I'm glad they addressed why Sam Wilson wasn't here.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2402125]I don't remember Misty Knight in the Hells Kitchen arc.
That was Luke and Falcon (and Storm on issue and Spider-Man another issue).
Misty showed up in Priest's run one arc withall those other street level people.
Unless I am forgetting an issue (which is possible)[/QUOTE]
He helped her in the Villains for Hire book which was going on while he was protecting Hells Kitchen IIRC.
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[QUOTE=UltimateTy;2402182]He helped her in the Villains for Hire book which was going on while he was protecting Hells Kitchen IIRC.[/QUOTE]
Do you know what issue that is? Didn't read that book.
Thanks
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Read WoW. I'm going to have to join the minority on this topic. I liked the first story, but not the second.
The second was more of Coates's version of Wakanda shaming. The royal family does nothing for the people and outside of the palace Wakanda is Detroit. I've always invisioned Wakanda as a socialist monarchy with enough advanced tech that it was similar to living on earth during star trek. Minus replicators, but with enough knowledge that average citizens had their basic needs met.
The first while nothing ground breaking was well written and opened up new interesting characters. Would have liked to see Big Mama beating up recruits while holding a baby lol.
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[QUOTE=Cville;2402278]Read WoW. I'm going to have to join the minority on this topic. I liked the first story, but not the second.
The second was more of Coates's version of Wakanda shaming. The royal family does nothing for the people and outside of the palace Wakanda is Detroit. I've always invisioned Wakanda as a socialist monarchy with enough advanced tech that it was similar to living on earth during star trek. Minus replicators, but with enough knowledge that average citizens had their basic needs met.
The first while nothing ground breaking was well written and opened up new interesting characters. Would have liked to see Big Mama beating up recruits while holding a baby lol.[/QUOTE]
The problem I have with this is to me, the quality of the story depends on the quality of the story, not the message it's sending. I know people here don't like a Wakanda succumbing to adversity, but it just comes off as a much better-written story. Its biggest flaw is that it's a slow pace (which isn't necessarily a flaw depending on the details), it's got a lot of different moving story parts so no story gets a lot of attention (in particular, T'Challa), and the action scenes flat out suck.
To me, the pace in this story was way too fast. There was no time for subtlety or an exploration of characters. Everything was a box that needed to be checked so they could move to the next point. So it had to make sure the box was checked in the most obvious way possible. I just disagree with it being well-written. That being said, I do hope with more space, there's room for better writing. I think some of the characters have potential to explore something interesting and it'll be fun to see Shuri as Queen again.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2402573]The problem I have with this is to me, the quality of the story depends on the quality of the story, not the message it's sending. I know people here don't like a Wakanda succumbing to adversity, but it just comes off as a much better-written story. Its biggest flaw is that it's a slow pace (which isn't necessarily a flaw depending on the details), it's got a lot of different moving story parts so no story gets a lot of attention (in particular, T'Challa), and the action scenes flat out suck.
To me, the pace in this story was way too fast. There was no time for subtlety or an exploration of characters. Everything was a box that needed to be checked so they could move to the next point. So it had to make sure the box was checked in the most obvious way possible. I just disagree with it being well-written. That being said, I do hope with more space, there's room for better writing. I think some of the characters have potential to explore something interesting and it'll be fun to see Shuri as Queen again.[/QUOTE]
Also, teen dramas are one if my guilty pleasures. I'm a Vampire Diaries fan. But not Twilight. Only made a half hour through that movie. lol
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2402076][B]If anyone here was/is currently serving the military I just want to say, I'm glad I share my birthday on the day we say thank you for all your hard work and sacrifice.
[Img]https://www.greetingseveryday.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Happy-Veterans-Day-Wishes-Free-Ecards-1.gif[/img] [/B][/QUOTE]
Happy Birthday Ezyo. :cool:
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2402125]I don't remember Misty Knight in the Hells Kitchen arc.
That was Luke and Falcon (and Storm on issue and Spider-Man another issue).
Misty showed up in Priest's run one arc withall those other street level people.
Unless I am forgetting an issue (which is possible)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, momentary encounters being forgotten isn't that big of a deal to me.
I enjoyed the scene. Misty getting flirty with TChalla is appreciated. If it makes Storm act right than its all good:)
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2402076][B]If anyone here was/is currently serving the military I just want to say, I'm glad I share my birthday on the day we say thank you for all your hard work and sacrifice.
[Img]https://www.greetingseveryday.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Happy-Veterans-Day-Wishes-Free-Ecards-1.gif[/img] [/B][/QUOTE]
Happy Born Day
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2402076][B]If anyone here was/is currently serving the military I just want to say, I'm glad I share my birthday on the day we say thank you for all your hard work and sacrifice.
[Img]https://www.greetingseveryday.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Happy-Veterans-Day-Wishes-Free-Ecards-1.gif[/img] [/B][/QUOTE]
Well said Ezyo!
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2402573]The problem I have with this is to me, the quality of the story depends on the quality of the story, not the message it's sending. I know people here don't like a Wakanda succumbing to adversity, but it just comes off as a much better-written story. Its biggest flaw is that it's a slow pace (which isn't necessarily a flaw depending on the details), it's got a lot of different moving story parts so no story gets a lot of attention (in particular, T'Challa), and the action scenes flat out suck.
[B]To me, the pace in this story was way too fast. [/B] There was no time for subtlety or an exploration of characters. Everything was a box that needed to be checked so they could move to the next point. So it had to make sure the box was checked in the most obvious way possible. I just disagree with it being well-written. That being said, I do hope with more space, there's room for better writing. I think some of the characters have potential to explore something interesting and it'll be fun to see Shuri as Queen again.[/QUOTE]
Def agree with the bold. Rather interesting that Roxane Gay has the complete opposite problem that Coates has, pacing wise. Rather than moving too slowly, Gay's story is moving way too quickly. Not enough buildup of the characters or Wakanda. Too many things happening too quickly. I'm very curious on how a brand new reader who's not familiar with the BP mythos would feel about that.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2402835]Def agree with the bold. Rather interesting that Roxane Gay has the complete opposite problem that Coates has, pacing wise. Rather than moving too slowly, Gay's story is moving way too quickly. Not enough buildup of the characters or Wakanda. Too many things happening too quickly. I'm very curious on how a brand new reader who's not familiar with the BP mythos would feel about that.[/QUOTE]
Does Gay really have to build them up though. I can't imagine that there are many new readers who
don't a handle-opinion on the Midnight Angels.
The book felt like a fill in the blanks back up story and not a year one type one.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2402076][B]If anyone here was/is currently serving the military I just want to say, I'm glad I share my birthday on the day we say thank you for all your hard work and sacrifice.
[Img]https://www.greetingseveryday.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Happy-Veterans-Day-Wishes-Free-Ecards-1.gif[/img] [/B][/QUOTE]
Happy Birthday Bro!!!!
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;2402865]Does Gay really have to build them up though. I can't imagine that there are many new readers who
don't a handle-opinion on the Midnight Angels.
The book felt like a fill in the blanks back up story and not a year one type one.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this. I would've liked to see more about the culture of the Doras. But since these stories seem to be about the Coates book, if you're reading the main book, short stories will work. Will have to wait for more stories, but World of Wakanda may not be the proper title
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[QUOTE=memnoch;2402123]Thanks! USMC GET SOME!!!!![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dark Knight1047;2402808]Well said Ezyo![/QUOTE]
[B] Again thank you for your hard work and sacrifice. We appreciate what you have done![/B]
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2402784]Happy Birthday Ezyo. :cool:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;2402802]Happy Born Day[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rumble;2402918]Happy Birthday Bro!!!![/QUOTE]
[B] Thanks for the bday wishes my brothas it's been a great day![/B]
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;2402865]Does Gay really have to build them up though. I can't imagine that there are many new readers who
don't a handle-opinion on the Midnight Angels.
The book felt like a fill in the blanks back up story and not a year one type one.[/QUOTE]
I felt that the build up to their attraction happened way too quickly. It was basically a love/lust at first sight. And even the execution of this approach felt very rushed.
As is, their relationship in this book feels rather artificial at the moment. Perhaps it was by designed, but if so it wasn't well done, imho.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2403002][B] Again thank you for your hard work and sacrifice. We appreciate what you have done![/B]
[B] Thanks for the bday wishes my brothas it's been a great day![/B][/QUOTE]
Happy bday dude!
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2403023]I felt that the build up to their attraction happened way too quickly. It was basically a love/lust at first sight. And even the execution of this approach felt very rushed.
As is, their relationship in this book feels rather artificial at the moment. Perhaps it was by designed, but if so it wasn't well done, imho.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the story had little weight or drama.
Positives though.
The Dora's were not demonized.
No concubine bull crap
Being gay wasn't a big deal. The controversy was more about a trainer falling for a new recruit.
It could have been a story of a heterosexual romance.
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My problem with making the MA sympathetic is that it makes it even more unlikely that Coates will ever address the hypocrisy of their actions in the first few issues.
For those of you that remember, apparently the Treehouses™ are well enough known that two rank & file Dora knew about them, but they either didn't TELL their superiors, or their superiors KNEW and turned a blind eye. Neither is really a tenable proposition, unless you accept the premise that Wakandans are systematically misogynistic and (apparently) racist towards those poor, innocent Nigandans. :P
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2403745]My problem with making the MA sympathetic is that it makes it even more unlikely that Coates will ever address the hypocrisy of their actions in the first few issues.
For those of you that remember, apparently the Treehouses™ are well enough known that two rank & file Dora knew about them, but they either didn't TELL their superiors, or their superiors KNEW and turned a blind eye. Neither is really a tenable proposition, unless you accept the premise that Wakandans are systematically misogynistic and (apparently) racist towards those poor, innocent Nigandans. :P[/QUOTE]
It's still possible (though not likely at this point, imho) that the flaws in the MAs actions will be discussed via their eventual encounter with Shuri in the next few issues.
The book has already addressed the contradictions of several actions--some well done, others could've been done better--throughout the story.
T'Challa's contradictions have been discussed already, due to his actions in previous stories.
Tetu's hypocrisy is very evident at this point, can't claim that you care about Wakanda and its people, yet you are willing to murder innocents (from your own nation, at that) at a grand scale just to achieve your goal. He's putting his own personal ambition over the welfare of his people and his country.
Even Changamire's contradictions were discussed in #4. Sure, he wants democracy, but does he understand the ramifications of doing so, and how it will truly affect Wakanda before and after its implementation? He's a big theory man, but when it comes to putting his theories to practice, it's a whole different matter. Wouldn't surprise me if that was one of the reasons Ramonda left him for T'Chaka. Flawed as he may be, T'Chaka makes things happen and makes things happen very often.
So the pattern is there. Will said pattern continue with the MAs? We'll find out soon.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2402573]The problem I have with this is to me, the quality of the story depends on the quality of the story, not the message it's sending. I know people here don't like a Wakanda succumbing to adversity, but it just comes off as a much better-written story. Its biggest flaw is that it's a slow pace (which isn't necessarily a flaw depending on the details), it's got a lot of different moving story parts so no story gets a lot of attention (in particular, T'Challa), and the action scenes flat out suck.
To me, the pace in this story was way too fast. There was no time for subtlety or an exploration of characters. Everything was a box that needed to be checked so they could move to the next point. So it had to make sure the box was checked in the most obvious way possible. I just disagree with it being well-written. That being said, I do hope with more space, there's room for better writing. I think some of the characters have potential to explore something interesting and it'll be fun to see Shuri as Queen again.[/QUOTE]
Did we just become best friends? lol. Agree with all of this, especially the pacing issues of both stories.
IMO, Coates story could have been todl in more traditional arcs so each storyline doesn't seem forever dragged out. Pick either the MA or Tetu/Zenzi to be the "end game" of the story that simmers inthe back ground during the first 8 issues culminating int he last 4. Arc 1 (issues 1-4) could have been focused on the general rebellion, problems in wakanda as a whole and the MA/Chang's storyline, arc 2 (issues 5-8) could have been focused on Shuris journey, while Arc 3 has T'challa and Shuri finally coming to clash with Tetu/Zenzi and their forces.
Of course I am being very vague-ish for a ton of reasons, but it would have made each mini story feel complete before moving on to the next instead of getting 4 pages of Shuri one week and then waiting 3 months before you get some more.
But... pushing mini stories while also developing "the main threat" in the background can be quite challenging writing wise. Even people like Bendis have problems with that (Bendis teases the threat great and then it ends up a dud in the end ie: Dark Beast).So Coates may simply be too new to the process to try something like that. That is Prime Priest level TBH.
[QUOTE=Cville;2402656]Also, teen dramas are one if my guilty pleasures. [/QUOTE]
While, the MA part of the story line must have been orgasmic then lol
[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2402835]I'm very curious on how a brand new reader who's not familiar with the BP mythos would feel about that.[/QUOTE]
I gave up on thinking what new readers might think after Coates success lol.
After seeing the writing praised in more than one review... I just... I just don't understand.
The cynic in me thinks either (a) people are afraid to criticizing non-comic writers who are great in their fields (b) people want a lesbian book to work so bad they are overlooking flaws (c) I am an idiot and should just stfu
[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;2402865]Does Gay really have to build them up though. I can't imagine that there are many new readers who
don't a handle-opinion on the Midnight Angels.
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She has to make them interesting though. Coates gave the people just a little (bad ass warrior lesbians who feel wronged by the current system) and it excited them. Gay's job is to stoke those flames into something lasting.
Her first issue, IMO, was like a kid who tries to take a small campfire and throws a bunch of damn wood on it and about smothers that **** out because hes in a hurry to have the BIGGEST FIRE EVER
[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2403023]I felt that the build up to their attraction happened way too quickly. It was basically a love/lust at first sight. And even the execution of this approach felt very rushed.
As is, their relationship in this book feels rather artificial at the moment. Perhaps it was by designed, but if so it wasn't well done, imho.[/QUOTE]
It was incredily forced with no nuance at all. It was Disney princess **** with a dose of Anakin/Padme as Brother E pointed out and I can't stop laughing about it
[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;2403200]Yeah, the story had little weight or drama.
Positives though.
The Dora's were not demonized.
No concubine bull crap
Being gay wasn't a big deal. The controversy was more about a trainer falling for a new recruit.
It could have been a story of a heterosexual romance.[/QUOTE]
Cynical MoS thinks that if this was a heterosexual romance, no one would give a **** about this story and that hallway scene would have been extra cringeworthy
When were they every concubines on panel other than someone like Doom quipping as much?
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2403745]My problem with making the MA sympathetic is that it makes it even more unlikely that Coates will ever address the hypocrisy of their actions in the first few issues.
For those of you that remember, apparently the Treehouses™ are well enough known that two rank & file Dora knew about them, but they either didn't TELL their superiors, or their superiors KNEW and turned a blind eye. Neither is really a tenable proposition, unless you accept the premise that Wakandans are systematically misogynistic and (apparently) racist towards those poor, innocent Nigandans. :P[/QUOTE]
either Shuri si going ot deal with it or the rape treehouses won't be brought back up and they only existed to force sympathy onto the MA.
I think Shuri will deal with thit though
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Re: Shuri...
I wonder if Shuri's comeback shouldn't have been handled in Season 2 when he is touching upon religion anyway.
That would have opened up pages and pages that could have been used to strengthen one of the other 10 storylines or show some more flat terrible action sequences.
You could still show hints of T'challa working ont he solution, but the issue #12 epilogue coudl have ended with the very scene we just saw in the preview with T'challa telling Eden "lets go get her"
Would have been a good hook leading into season 2 while allowing season 1 to breath a little.
But, either way, please please please be the Shuri Liss, Hickman, and Waid developed and not something... else
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2403805]Re: Shuri...
I wonder if Shuri's comeback shouldn't have been handled in Season 2 when he is touching upon religion anyway.
That would have opened up pages and pages that could have been used to strengthen one of the other 10 storylines or show some more flat terrible action sequences.
You could still show hints of T'challa working ont he solution, but the issue #12 epilogue coudl have ended with the very scene we just saw in the preview with T'challa telling Eden "lets go get her"
Would have been a good hook leading into season 2 while allowing season 1 to breath a little.
[B]But, either way, please please please be the Shuri Liss, Hickman, and Waid developed and not something... else[/B][/QUOTE]
Hoping so as well, but who knows with this run?
Crossing fingers...
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[B] Waiting to Have season 2 be the return of Shuri would been a smarter choice i agree. Too many stories means less can be fleshed out for the important ones.
Also lol I want everyone to think of Anakin and Padme when they think of how awful that"attraction" between them played out[/B]
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Anyone else extremely sad we didn't get Mama in Wow?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/566bQF4.jpg[/img]
come on BP franchise... levity is ok! comic relief is ok!
#bringbackmama
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2403906][B] Waiting to Have season 2 be the return of Shuri would been a smarter choice i agree. Too many stories means less can be fleshed out for the important ones.
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Honestly, I'm not sure. I think the complaints about T'Challa not being the hero are more or less complaints of tires spinning. Coates is trying to set up everything else - Shuri's spiritual journey, the Midnight Angels, and Tetu to get them to certain points when T'Challa confronts them. But he obviously can't write T'Challa out of the book and he knows he's supposed to have some action. So we're left with extremely unfulfilling action that ends up with T'Challa never really substantively gaining anything. Of the story threads, I think Shuri's has run its course. It's beginning to get repetitive. Now is a good time to show that T'Challa is moving towards the finish line - have him get Shuri back. Tetu finally began to become a full-fledged villain (as opposed to a half-villain), so I think he needs to do more stuff before T'Challa stops him. It's not time to do that. I have no idea what the Midnight Angels story is going to do going forward, but it doesn't feel it's reached its climax yet. That means leaves T'Challa with essentially two options - sit on his hands or rescue Shuri (short of another sideplot, such as him trying to find a cure for Ramonda, but I don't think this story needs to lose what focus it has).
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2403924]Anyone else extremely sad we didn't get Mama in Wow?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/566bQF4.jpg[/img]
come on BP franchise... levity is ok! comic relief is ok!
#bringbackmama[/QUOTE]
[B]Plus it's good to have showings of people of all body types and seeing someone like Mama whooping ass would be pretty intimating [/B]
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2403924]Anyone else extremely sad we didn't get Mama in Wow?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/566bQF4.jpg[/img]
come on BP franchise... levity is ok! comic relief is ok!
#bringbackmama[/QUOTE]
This is who I wanted to see too. Although she seems a bit lighter skinned than I remember. At the conference I went to today, one of the speakers spoke about the issue of companies asking artist to make their characters lighter skinned.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2403924]Anyone else extremely sad we didn't get Mama in Wow?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/566bQF4.jpg[/img]
come on BP franchise... levity is ok! comic relief is ok!
#bringbackmama[/QUOTE]
All the comic relief BP characters are in limbo or dead. Its a shame really
I read the preview for the next issue and its was solid so far but lol @ Storm being BP's best friend. Taku and W'Kabi are somewhere crying.
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[QUOTE=UltimateTy;2405452]All the comic relief BP characters are in limbo or dead. Its a shame really
I read the preview for the next issue and its was solid so far but lol @ Storm being BP's best friend. [B]Taku and W'Kabi are somewhere crying[/B].[/QUOTE]
one of the mistakes of Hudlin in terms of W'Kabi :(
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[QUOTE=UltimateTy;2405452]All the comic relief BP characters are in limbo or dead. Its a shame really
I read the preview for the next issue and its was solid so far but lol @ Storm being BP's best friend. Taku and W'Kabi are somewhere crying.[/QUOTE]
Is Taku dead? W'kabi and Zuri were killed after Doom put T'challa in a coma.
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[QUOTE=UltimateTy;2405452]All the comic relief BP characters are in limbo or dead. Its a shame really
I read the preview for the next issue and its was solid so far but lol @ Storm being BP's best friend. Taku and W'Kabi are somewhere crying.[/QUOTE]
I never really thought of Taku as T'Challa's best friend. I'd have to reread Panther's Rage, but I never actually thought of it as that close of a relationship overall, to be honest. W'Kabi, maybe, but I don't think putting his wife as higher on that list is necessarily a bad thing.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2405742]I never really thought of Taku as T'Challa's best friend. I'd have to reread Panther's Rage, but I never actually thought of it as that close of a relationship overall, to be honest. W'Kabi, maybe, but I don't think putting his wife as higher on that list is necessarily a bad thing.[/QUOTE]
Wives are "supposed" to by your best friend. But the shade she throws on him when she is not in his solo would make me question that. lol
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Im still pissed zuri is dead