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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3122280]I would hope the planet was uninhabited. I've certainly said before that imperialism is the antithesis of the Wakandan mindset. They haven't conquered the rest of Africa because they never had any interest in that. One would hope they also don't want to conquer an alien planet.
Do you want a bulletpoints of what happened?[/QUOTE]
That is my fear with Coates. While i love concept, Im afraid he will use this as some analog for the Spanish in the Americas.
Spoil away, but I guess use tags for those who still buy the comic.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3122140]I love that people praised this idea, assumed that Coates was incapable of having this idea, and then crying that the sky is falling when they found out that this was Coates's idea. I previously said I didn't think Wakanda needed a space colony (as opposed to just a space program), but I'm not opposed to it existing. I wonder how soon we'll see it given that Coates seems to write pretty far in advance.[/QUOTE]
[B]Because of this:
[quote=MindofShadow]
[b]We need a BP solo! It's been years[/b]
Coates announced, someone with absolutely no comic experience whatsoever. Not even any fiction experience who immediately begins to sh*t on everything in the mythos
[b]We need a solo that is primarily set in Wakanda to explore it more![/b]
Coates: I hope you like rape tree houses, no one man, the end of the monarchy, and all the reasons why Wakanda sucks
[b]Stelfreeze Art! Nice![/b]
LOL basically covers only dude. Here are some C level dudes u've never heard of though
[b]Maybe we can explore the Dora order more and learn what its about to be a wife in training/bodyguard/elite soldier[/b]
ummm, how bout a book written by another ficition noob which is quite posisblyt he worst book uve ever read. Oh and they go to NY for fun and t'challas name is on the book but he actually isn't in it. we just going to allude to the fact he f*cks doras on the regular because they have to
[b]You know what would be cool? exploring the relationship with Bast and the other wakanda gods and tribes[/b]
LOL, how bout i make up a bunch of Orisha and have them all disappear and then meander for 5 issues?
[b]Can we get the ancestor thing settled at least?[/b]
yep, handwaved off panel. you are welcome
[b]Can shuri get a non black panther role so she can be here own 100% character[/b]
Yep, she's now a mage with undefined powers... in fact, lets make her be able to raise zombies! Queen of the Dead! and she nothing like her MCU counterpoint either!
[b]f*ck, well maybe we can get a black avengers book.. no no i take it back[/b]
BROSEF I GOT YOU. T'challa, Luke Cage, Storm, Misty... THE CREW
[b]alright... sounds good....[/b]
yep, its a book about Ezra Miller guy I just made up. you will love him.
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Whew, well at least Coates doesn't read the internet threads and wont here about that Galactic Empire idea....
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[b]If you don't see why people would first assume it wasn't his idea, then when finding out it was, be repulsed by it, then i dont know what to tell you[/B]
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[QUOTE=Cville;3122326]That is my fear with Coates. While i love concept, Im afraid he will use this as some analog for the Spanish in the Americas.
Spoil away, but I guess use tags for those who still buy the comic.[/QUOTE]
GIven that it's being labelled an Empire, it does sort of imply that Wakanda has some degree of control over other civilizations.
That said, T'Challa and Wakanda are obviously the good guys so I'm sure everyone involved was cool with whatever the situation is.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3122369]GIven that it's being labelled an Empire, it does sort of imply that Wakanda has some degree of control over other civilizations.
That said, T'Challa and Wakanda are obviously the good guys so I'm sure everyone involved was cool with whatever the situation is.[/QUOTE]
Hahaha. That is a good bit of sarcasm. lol
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[QUOTE=Cville;3122383]Hahaha. That is a good bit of sarcasm. lol[/QUOTE]
Coates seems pretty big on democratic ideals, so I imagine he's one of the last BP writers to decide Wakanda would take over other civilizations through sheer force. I'd assume the same principals he's a proponent of in Wakanda would extend to their empire at large. But we'll see.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3122419]Coates seems pretty big on democratic ideals, so I imagine he's one of the last BP writers to decide Wakanda would take over other civilizations through sheer force. I'd assume the same principals he's a proponent of in Wakanda would extend to their empire at large. But we'll see.[/QUOTE]
An article someone posted with an interview with Aaron said this takes place present day. So unless he gets his hands on the reality stone again, I cant see how they would set this up between the end of the first arc and whenever this starts.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3122427]An article someone posted with an interview with Aaron said this takes place present day. So unless he gets his hands on the reality stone again, I cant see how they would set this up between the end of the first arc and whenever this starts.[/QUOTE]
It does seem rather jarring.
Perhaps the reason Wakanda was suffering such a decline, and why it was so short handed was because it was spending so much man power and resources on the Galactic Empire. THere might be less Wakandans patrolling the outer villages for crime if a good percentage of their forces are off in space securing a galactic empire.
Part of the reason I was skeptical about the idea of a large space colony was I wasn't sure it would make sense. But now that the story is here, I guess we'll have to wait and see whether or not the piece all fit together. Worse case sceneario it doesn't and we get a space colony magically appearing overnight... that's wouldn't exactly be what I would call realistic, but in comics it's not unheard of for that sort of thing to happen. We'll see.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3122432]It does seem rather jarring.
Perhaps the reason Wakanda was suffering such a decline, and why it was so short handed was because it was spending so much man power and resources on the Galactic Empire. THere might be less Wakandans patrolling the outer villages for crime if a good percentage of their forces are off in space securing a galactic empire.
Part of the reason I was skeptical about the idea of a large space colony was I wasn't sure it would make sense. But now that the story is here, I guess we'll have to wait and see whether or not the piece all fit together. Worse case sceneario it doesn't and we get a space colony magically appearing overnight... that's wouldn't exactly be what I would call realistic, but in comics it's not unheard of for that sort of thing to happen. We'll see.[/QUOTE]
Oh wonderful. So we get another America story about crumbling infrastructure at home while the majority of resources are put into maintaining the empire.
He might have gotten away with that if he hadn't had Roxanne state the Doras were enough to handle Wakandas unseen problems.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3122326]That is my fear with Coates. While i love concept, Im afraid he will use this as some analog for the Spanish in the Americas.
Spoil away, but I guess use tags for those who still buy the comic.[/QUOTE]
Sure:
[spoil]
The story starts off in Azania. Two women are seducing some men in army fatigues. When the men fall for it, they are subdued. It turns out the women are the Midnight Angels using image inducers and other tech supplied by T'Challa so they can track down where Queen Divine Justice has been kidnapped. T'Challa warns them that, when they assault the fortress inside Azania, they will probably lose contact.
Meanwhile, T'Challa and Shuri are investigating a city where everyone was killed and eaten to their bones. Shuri says that this creature of the elder gods is known as the Creeping Doom, which is basically a plague of locusts. T'Challa says that the Orishas were probably holding at bay a threat from the Wakandan past.
T'Challa and Shuri go to a village where people are being held in cages by some really creepy two-headed creatures with loincloths and tribal tattoos. Shuri attacks them as crows as a distraction. T'Challa rescues the villagers. Then he proceeds to fight maybe a dozen of them. There's a cool panel of what appears to be the force punch from an angle I've never seen before.
As they're fighting, T'Challa realizes something is wrong. These creatures are not the Creeping Doom. He asks Shuri to transport them to the gate. Shuri is confused because they have no way of closing this gate. T'Challa says they do. When they get there, they see some kind of mechanical device, which T'Challa destroys causing the bad guys to fade. Shuri says they're holograms. T'Challa disagrees because the creatures aren't made of light, but sound. Cut to the Midnight Angels storming through a corridor. When they open the doors, they're knocked unconscious by some kind of vibration wave to reveal, on the other end, Zenzi, Stane, Faustus, and Klaw.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3122207]Now that I've had a few hours, I remember Marvel2100 liking the idea of colonies. Apologies to anyone else I forgot who liked the larger concept.[/QUOTE]
Thank you my brother.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2983282]Won't happen under the current writer. You'd think that part of the Wakandan Space Program's mission objectives would be to explore space and possibly colonize.[/QUOTE]
This was the original post that started the conversation about Wakanda and colonizing space.
Posted on 07/31/2017
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3122140]I love that people praised this idea, assumed that Coates was incapable of having this idea, and then crying that the sky is falling when they found out that this was Coates's idea. I previously said I didn't think Wakanda needed a space colony (as opposed to just a space program), but I'm not opposed to it existing. I wonder how soon we'll see it given that Coates seems to write pretty far in advance.[/QUOTE]
Given so many people's distrust of Coates, they have a right to be concerned.
But I guess it's just as amusing seeing people who were against it now suddenly interested.
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Mike Murdock:
Thanks. Doesn't sound too bad.
Was that art bad all the way through, or was it just the beginning?
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Things just got interesting over in BP 18
As far as BP space one also wonders if BP used the Ultimates to further his space needs
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3122461]Given so many people's distrust of Coates, they have a right to be concerned.
But I guess it's just as amusing seeing people who were against it now suddenly interested.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone was against the idea, so much as some didn't necessarily think it would make sense. But this is definately an opportunity for Coates to prove those people (and I'm one of them) wrong. If he can make a narrative of a Galactic Empire fit within the story he's told so far, then everythings good.
But even if it can't make it fit perfectly, in the end these are comics... the sky won't start falling if things don't quite fit as well as we wish they might. In the least, it looks pretty cool.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3122446]Sure:
[spoil]
The story starts off in Azania. Two women are seducing some men in army fatigues. When the men fall for it, they are subdued. It turns out the women are the Midnight Angels using image inducers and other tech supplied by T'Challa so they can track down where Queen Divine Justice has been kidnapped. T'Challa warns them that, when they assault the fortress inside Azania, they will probably lose contact.
Meanwhile, T'Challa and Shuri are investigating a city where everyone was killed and eaten to their bones. Shuri says that this creature of the elder gods is known as the Creeping Doom, which is basically a plague of locusts. T'Challa says that the Orishas were probably holding at bay a threat from the Wakandan past.
T'Challa and Shuri go to a village where people are being held in cages by some really creepy two-headed creatures with loincloths and tribal tattoos. Shuri attacks them as crows as a distraction. T'Challa rescues the villagers. Then he proceeds to fight maybe a dozen of them. There's a cool panel of what appears to be the force punch from an angle I've never seen before.
As they're fighting, T'Challa realizes something is wrong. These creatures are not the Creeping Doom. He asks Shuri to transport them to the gate. Shuri is confused because they have no way of closing this gate. T'Challa says they do. When they get there, they see some kind of mechanical device, which T'Challa destroys causing the bad guys to fade. Shuri says they're holograms. T'Challa disagrees because the creatures aren't made of light, but sound. Cut to the Midnight Angels storming through a corridor. When they open the doors, they're knocked unconscious by some kind of vibration wave to reveal, on the other end, Zenzi, Stane, Faustus, and Klaw.
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It's nice that things are tying together. I knew they would eventually, but for awhile it did feel like 2 entirely seperate narratives.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3122462]Mike Murdock:
Thanks. Doesn't sound too bad.
Was that art bad all the way through, or was it just the beginning?[/QUOTE]
Taste is subjective. I'll say the art is consistent all the way through, maybe a bit better towards the end. But I don't really mind the art one way or the other in this issue, so I'm certainly not one to tell you if the change is something you'd view as an improvement.
[QUOTE=XPac;3122533]It's nice that things are tying together. I knew they would eventually, but for awhile it did feel like 2 entirely seperate narratives.[/QUOTE]
I think the only issue is whether they're really tying together or if this is basically taking advantage of the other situation.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3122207]Now that I've had a few hours, I remember Marvel2100 liking the idea of colonies. Apologies to anyone else I forgot who liked the larger concept.[/QUOTE]
No problem. I just remember going the rounds about it with Flex on the old CBR. It was one of the first things I posted about. But is was in our solar system. I didn't expect a colony outside ours.
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One way this could work is the interstellar route a lag in time makes the area of space zoom by vs Earth time but idk
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3122146]She was very much still considered a part of the royal circle and therefore wouldn't have betrayed Wakanda by any by laws I'm aware of. Additionally, she was never charged with doing anything illegal for this and the resulting ban on her/xmen being allowed in Wakanda was due to Namor's action and not anything of her own.
but the context with that is he is reformed. that part wasn't mentioned with the initial Nazi comment (even though I wouldn't want storm dealing with any Nazis conformed or not).
All of this is fair and you obviously are entitledto your opinions. I just think that the scathing criticism she receives comes off as a double standard because tchalla in far worse danger by the things he did versus what ororo dis during avx.
As you mentioned it's firmly in canon...[/QUOTE]
None of which changes the fact that Storm was not Queen of Wakanda during AvX.
I'm an equal opportunities caller outer and if I criticise T'Challa just as hard as I criticise Storm I fail to see what double standard applies in this regard.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3122207]Now that I've had a few hours, I remember Marvel2100 liking the idea of colonies. Apologies to anyone else I forgot who liked the larger concept.[/QUOTE]
Marvel2100 wasn't alone as I alongside other forward thinking posters in this thread, had postulated about Wakanda expanding into space way before Hickman came on the scene.
Hudlin touched on Wakandan exploration during his run too but some want to make it look like Wakandan Space exploration was all down to Hickman.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3122530][B]I don't think anyone was against the idea[/B], so much as some didn't necessarily think it would make sense. But this is definately an opportunity for Coates to prove those people (and I'm one of them) wrong. If he can make a narrative of a Galactic Empire fit within the story he's told so far, then everythings good.
But even if it can't make it fit perfectly, in the end these are comics... the sky won't start falling if things don't quite fit as well as we wish they might. In the least, it looks pretty cool.[/QUOTE]
Past posts prove otherwise.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3122588]Taste is subjective. I'll say the art is consistent all the way through, maybe a bit better towards the end. But I don't really mind the art one way or the other in this issue, so I'm certainly not one to tell you if the change is something you'd view as an improvement.
I think the only issue is whether they're really tying together or if this is basically taking advantage of the other situation.[/QUOTE]
Has to be the latter I doubt Zawavari or the priest would have been affected by anything else but mystical in nature
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3122663]Past posts prove otherwise.[/QUOTE]
I think a careful reading of all the posts would show otherwise. I think I was the strongest critic and what I said is I didn't think Wakandans would want to leave Wakanda to live somewhere else and I didn't think they would be conquerors. I still stand by my latter point no matter the circumstances and I think the former point needs justification. Wakandan explorers make sense to me, Wakandan settlers raise the question of what motivates them.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3122728]I think a careful reading of all the posts would show otherwise. I think I was the strongest critic and what I said is I didn't think Wakandans would want to leave Wakanda to live somewhere else and I didn't think they would be conquerors. I still stand by my latter point no matter the circumstances and I think the former point needs justification. Wakandan explorers make sense to me, Wakandan settlers raise the question of what motivates them.[/QUOTE]
[B] Simple, for the glory of Wakanda[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3122862][B] Simple, for the glory of Wakanda[/B][/QUOTE]
It can't be just that simple, because frankly that's just ego. A nation that spent it's entire history being isolationists likely aren't motivated solely by that.
It has to make sense, factoring in the risks and rewards of such a costly and dangerous undertaking. If it makes sense (and I'm assuming it will if T'Challa is behind it) and it fits within the movitvations of the characters (as we obviously want to avoid making them look like bad guys in all of this), then it should be fine.
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I was SOOOOOO excited to see that Planet wakanda teaser!!!!....until I was Coats name next to it. He has ZERO imagination and minimal knowledge or interest in the titular character. So I'm going to ignore this like I've ignored all of his run after the first 7 issues (I gave him that much of a chance), Was excited to see Jason Aaron attached and thought he'd be writing it and would be able to chanel his Secret Invasion skill with T'challa but instead, We will get to hear stories about T'challa subjugating space women and more no name Coats agenda characters characters.
Coats writes the most powerless T'challa I've ever read. There isn't a villain in history that I believe could beat the hell out of The Black Panther that Coats writes.
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[QUOTE=phumgano;3120978]For a moment there I thought you had actually read Black Panther books outside of his interactions with Storm. I was so confused but this clears it all up. I thought an actual fan of T'challa was talking lke this.
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Actually, i exaggerated it but i know you got the idea.
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I'm sorry T'Challa is going to be ruined in space too.....what next
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Coates is an awesome writer.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3122651]None of which changes the fact that Storm was not Queen of Wakanda during AvX.
I'm an equal opportunities caller outer and if I criticise T'Challa just as hard as I criticise Storm I fail to see what double standard applies in this regard.[/QUOTE]
the double standard is that I have seen some posters give him a pass for working with namor and abandoning wakanda an shuri because he was trying to save the world, yet ororo waa trying to do the same thing in AvX and she was charged with betraying wakanda yet NO harm occurred against wakanda due to her actions. the same is not true for tchalla. Him working with the Illuminati and entertaining black swan put a crosshair on wakanda who h eventually lead thanos to Amanda's doorstep resulting in its destruction.
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[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;3123071]Coates is an awesome writer.[/QUOTE]
Awesome for Storm. Terrible for the rest of the Black Panther franchise as a whole.
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I'm curious how many people have read the issue this week?
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3123409]I'm curious how many people have read the issue this week?[/QUOTE]
Not it! Lol
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3123409]I'm curious how many people have read the issue this week?[/QUOTE]
Its not popping up on any of the free scans sights so no one can read it. lol
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3123409]I'm curious how many people have read the issue this week?[/QUOTE]
10/10 for No Storm. 6/10 for story content.
I am glad to see a classic BP villain appearing.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3123478]Its not popping up on any of the free scans sights so no one can read it. lol[/QUOTE]
In a vacuum it was "okay", I'll need to reread because I only skimmed my books this week (wife is out of town for the week so I have a toddler and an infant = not a lot of free time).
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3123510]10/10 for No Storm. 6/10 for story content.
I am glad to see a classic BP villain appearing.[/QUOTE]
No Storm!? After her goddess showing that has had the Storm thread clamouring for more.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3123409]I'm curious how many people have read the issue this week?[/QUOTE]
I have, I actually liked it. How long do we have to wait before we can start talking about spoilers?
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3123409]I'm curious how many people have read the issue this week?[/QUOTE]
I did. Thought the issue was pretty good. Sprouse's art was very good, Torres's art wasnt that bad at all imho, action scenes were actually well done, and everyone had a good showing.
T'Challa in particular was much improved, compared to previous issues. I hope he gets more showings like this, or better, the rest of the way.
Is it a game-changer for those who already hate the run? No. If you hate this run and/or dropped it already, I doubt this issue will change your mind. However, I suspect this issue (and the next one) will greatly influence those that are on the fence.
And for those wondering: no, Storm was not in this issue. Nor was she mentioned on panel.
Cautiously optimistic for the first "legacy" issue, especially with a new artist coming in (Leonard Kirk).
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[QUOTE=Cville;3123528]No Storm!? [B]After her goddess showing that has had the Storm thread clamouring for more[/B].[/QUOTE]
I'd advise them to go check out her solo or the X-men books.
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