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[QUOTE=XPac;1759758]It's possible we'll get some of it answered when he start getting an understanding of what happened during the time jump.
In hindsight given how late Secret Wars came out, it was probably a blessing that the earlier issues of All New All Different didn't explain too much... that would have spoiled too much of Secret Wars ending. But now that SW is over, perhaps well get a bit more clarrification on the post-Secret Wars world. We'll see... time jumps and time travel don't necessarily make for the most straight foreward storytelling.[/QUOTE]
[B]I actually mean Sw gotbtoo complex for its own good, there were so many characters and moving parts that there wasn't panel space for not all and required a rushed 3 week time Skip just to get the story going again. And I really don't think many writers are going to spend much time going over what happened after the time skip so I am not holding me breath for that the event would of been a lot better with meaningful tie ends that actually explained some things. Not too many it a couple would of been nice[/B]
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Namor's a canonical mass murderer if we count the golden age stories.
So there was no character assassination there.
The one thing we know about Namor is that he has no problems unleashing tidal waves or mutant whale against civilians if he's pissed off.
Black Bolt's pretty much a fascist but at least waited until attacked by us forces to wage war.
Namor was always one wrecked oil tanker away from doing something rash to innocent people.
Dude's armies and/or pet monsters have probably murdered more innocent folks on panel than Magneto has and that isnt even counting Wakandans.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1760143][B]I actually mean Sw gotbtoo complex for its own good, there were so many characters and moving parts that there wasn't panel space for not all and required a rushed 3 week time Skip just to get the story going again. [/B][/QUOTE]
Completely agree.
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Any idea of what Boseman is doing in the reshoots?
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Any idea of what Boseman is doing in the reshoots?[/QUOTE]
Looks like he isjust getting to the office lol.
Marvel always schedules reshoots for every movie. Nothing to be concerned about.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1760951]Looks like he isjust getting to the office lol.
Marvel always schedules reshoots for every movie. Nothing to be concerned about.[/QUOTE]
not concerned, just curious
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1759539][B]
Seemed like at the end everything was so rushed that there are a lot of unanswered questions and we probably won't get mos of them answered. Its what happened when you let the story get convoluted like that[/B][/QUOTE]
It was a company wide thing years and years in the making... I think Hickmans story can arguably looked at as it's own "era" in marvel. So I can sort of understand why something that massive would have trouble managing. It probably was too big an undertaking to attempt, though in the least I like the ambition behind it.
I do think they should do some sort of post-Secret Wars mini (sort of like how AvX had AvX: Consequences) to sort of path a few things. I think that would have helped. In the least I'm still a bit unclear about the particular mechanics of how things went down ... I'm not even 100% entirely sure what T'Challa did with the reality or time gem at the end there. But time travel stories USUALLY confuse the heck out of me anyways, so maybe more me than anything else.
But just to reiterate... I did like the story overall. It had its flaws in execution, but it did suceed in getting me emotionally invested in the story and I do think there's a lot to like in the All New All Different MU we got on the other side of it.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1760962]It was a company wide thing years and years in the making... I think Hickmans story can arguably looked at as it's own "era" in marvel. So I can sort of understand why something that massive would have trouble managing. It probably was too big an undertaking to attempt, though in the least I like the ambition behind it.
I do think they should do some sort of post-Secret Wars mini (sort of like how AvX had AvX: Consequences) to sort of path a few things. I think that would have helped. In the least I'm still a bit unclear about the particular mechanics of how things went down ... I'm not even 100% entirely sure what T'Challa did with the reality or time gem at the end there. But time travel stories USUALLY confuse the heck out of me anyways, so maybe more me than anything else.
But just to reiterate... I did like the story overall. It had its flaws in execution, but it did suceed in getting me emotionally invested in the story and I do think there's a lot to like in the All New All Different MU we got on the other side of it.[/QUOTE]
[B]It wasn't just so massive that it was hard to manage for the sake of it, It was the fact that it was convoluted like crazy and was overly complex for the sake of complexity. How many characters could of been taken out without having any effect what so ever on the story? about 75% atleast. There were things thrown in that had potential to be interesting but then were dropped, heck in SW the story had to time skip 3 weeks just to continue on because it came to a standstill because of over complex plot (which in the end nothing came from it) there was this rush to the climax and it could of been avoided by not have an excess amount of characters many of which contributed nothing to the plot at all. Characters that had potential to be further explored (Black Swan) were put to the side and became useless (Doom Cheerleader) and some characters were created for one use then dumped and never seen or heard from again (Thane). So the event overall was fine, but it could of been way better if they didn't follow the whole "Bigger is better" and used "Less is more" to balance out the arc. [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1761203][B]It wasn't just so massive that it was hard to manage for the sake of it, It was the fact that it was convoluted like crazy and was overly complex for the sake of complexity. How many characters could of been taken out without having any effect what so ever on the story? about 75% atleast. There were things thrown in that had potential to be interesting but then were dropped, heck in SW the story had to time skip 3 weeks just to continue on because it came to a standstill because of over complex plot (which in the end nothing came from it) there was this rush to the climax and it could of been avoided by not have an excess amount of characters many of which contributed nothing to the plot at all. Characters that had potential to be further explored (Black Swan) were put to the side and became useless (Doom Cheerleader) and some characters were created for one use then dumped and never seen or heard from again (Thane). So the event overall was fine, but it could of been way better if they didn't follow the whole "Bigger is better" and used "Less is more" to balance out the arc. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah. Seriously.
He needed to have his whole plan written on a white board, and then someone come up and erase 70% of it lol. Brevity man... Brevity.
I mean ****... New Avengers had 2 plots going reallly. the Incursion problem and then the Namor/T'challa relationship. It continued throughout the whole book.... and then he handwaves it off panel. He spent 3 years on that relationship and finally just went, "bigger things, its over yay buddy cop time.
And for me, personally, that is Hickman in a nutshell. Big ideas, big stories that suck you in, unsatisfying, way too quick ending. But I understand if some people really like that though. And I am not a Hickman hater, he is just middle of the road for me personally.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1761203][B]It wasn't just so massive that it was hard to manage for the sake of it, It was the fact that it was convoluted like crazy and was overly complex for the sake of complexity. How many characters could of been taken out without having any effect what so ever on the story? about 75% atleast. There were things thrown in that had potential to be interesting but then were dropped, heck in SW the story had to time skip 3 weeks just to continue on because it came to a standstill because of over complex plot (which in the end nothing came from it) there was this rush to the climax and it could of been avoided by not have an excess amount of characters many of which contributed nothing to the plot at all. Characters that had potential to be further explored (Black Swan) were put to the side and became useless (Doom Cheerleader) and some characters were created for one use then dumped and never seen or heard from again (Thane). So the event overall was fine, but it could of been way better if they didn't follow the whole "Bigger is better" and used "Less is more" to balance out the arc. [/B][/QUOTE]
I would agree he threw out a lot of potentially cool things which weren't developed as well as they should have.
That said, in the least he did throw out a lot of cool things.
I think the Squadrom Supreme are pretty fun. And I think the Black Order has a lot of cool potential. Giving Thanos underlying I think was a very cool idea. And the stuff with AIM and Sunspot I thought was pure gold.
Though I'm not a big fan of a lot of his New Universe stuff, marvel is running with it. We're seeing Starbrand and Nightmask do their thing. Hopefully some of the other ideas Hickman threw out there, like Black Swan will be used down the line.
There were good ideas which weren't used, but potentially can be picked up elsewhere.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1761227]Yeah. Seriously.
He needed to have his whole plan written on a white board, and then someone come up and erase 70% of it lol. Brevity man... Brevity.
I mean ****... New Avengers had 2 plots going reallly. the Incursion problem and then the Namor/T'challa relationship. It continued throughout the whole book.... and then he handwaves it off panel. He spent 3 years on that relationship and finally just went, "bigger things, its over yay buddy cop time.
And for me, personally, that is Hickman in a nutshell. Big ideas, big stories that suck you in, unsatisfying, way too quick ending. But I understand if some people really like that though. And I am not a Hickman hater, he is just middle of the road for me personally.[/QUOTE]
[B]That was extremely annoying, like the who ED and alot of TRO was based on those 2 plots and then off panel in a 3 week time skip BP and Namor "Squash the beef" Like a complete letdown to a build up that was getting to a new boiling point once they ran into each other on battle world. And As for the Story telling again it started out fine, but then he started adding in all these other subplots, some interesting, some not, then some that were completely random and did nothing for the story. His cast was so large that it was impossible to have them al hav a place except to each panel room. Hell in NA when it was mainly focusing on the Illuminati, Beast did nothing at all, it that was a story focusing on 7 people mostly, and he couldn't find a place for him. Then throw in more characters in TRO... I feel like this was the event that desperately needed tie-ins to make it less like a big messy ADD conglomeration of ideas that were brought up and thrown out or left unexplored (and not in a good way) and it just needed to stick with the basic premise. I mean there were how many groups going by the end of it? The Cabal, The shield avengers, the regular avengers, Aim, the Illuminati?
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1761539][B]That was extremely annoying, like the who ED and alot of TRO was based on those 2 plots and then off panel in a 3 week time skip BP and Namor "Squash the beef" Like a complete letdown to a build up that was getting to a new boiling point once they ran into each other on battle world. And As for the Story telling again it started out fine, but then he started adding in all these other subplots, some interesting, some not, then some that were completely random and did nothing for the story. His cast was so large that it was impossible to have them al hav a place except to each panel room. Hell in NA when it was mainly focusing on the Illuminati, Beast did nothing at all, it that was a story focusing on 7 people mostly, and he couldn't find a place for him. Then throw in more characters in TRO... I feel like this was the event that desperately needed tie-ins to make it less like a big messy ADD conglomeration of ideas that were brought up and thrown out or left unexplored (and not in a good way) and it just needed to stick with the basic premise. I mean there were how many groups going by the end of it? The Cabal, The shield avengers, the regular avengers, Aim, the Illuminati?
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Hey remember when he wasted time sending Cap everywhere with the Time Gem.....
I mean seriously... Hickman wasted so much time on stuff that, in the end, didn't really matter. At all. People love to blame Infinity, but give me a break, i'd love to blame infinity if he didn't waste so much panel space on other stuff.... (hell, i thought his run peaked with Infinity actually...)
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1761563]Hey remember when he wasted time sending Cap everywhere with the Time Gem.....
I mean seriously... Hickman wasted so much time on stuff that, in the end, didn't really matter. At all. People love to blame Infinity, but give me a break, i'd love to blame infinity if he didn't waste so much panel space on other stuff.... (hell, i thought his run peaked with Infinity actually...)[/QUOTE]
[B]Yes! YES! that whole going through time was so stupid and so excessive, And that's what i mean by useless subplot that could of been scrapped and it wouldn't of changed a thing or made a difference in the story. I didn't mind infinity, there was so good stuff in there, just alot of other things and characters no one cared about.
I feel like there should of been someone in editorial making sure he stayed on track, too many distractions like he couldn't focus on one thing and had to throw in other stuff and just changed his mind on a whim when he wanted to drop it [/B]
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1761563]Hey remember when he wasted time sending Cap everywhere with the Time Gem.....
I mean seriously... Hickman wasted so much time on stuff that, in the end, didn't really matter. At all. People love to blame Infinity, but give me a break, i'd love to blame infinity if he didn't waste so much panel space on other stuff.... (hell, i thought his run peaked with Infinity actually...)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I thought Infinity was actually my favorite part of his run. It was my favorite marvel company wide event in quite some time.
As far as Cap going through time... I honestly didn't quite understand what was going on there. Why did the gem shatter and send him through time months later? That whole thing was kinda bizarre.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1761663]Yeah, I thought Infinity was actually my favorite part of his run. It was my favorite marvel company wide event in quite some time.
As far as Cap going through time... I honestly didn't quite understand what was going on there. Why did the gem shatter and send him through time months later? That whole thing was kinda bizarre.[/QUOTE]
[B]It sent him forward like 50 years first, then 450, then 5000, then like 50,000 then i think one more time? i could be wrong but either way it was way too much time an panel space wasted to have nothing happen [/B]
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I feel Hickman tried to treat all this like his East of West run but without fully grasping that whereas the latter book had no time restrictions.. the Marvel books, even when spotted all those years to work with, still only had a finite number of issues for him to tell and finish his story. Ironically, at some point he undoubtedly had to realize that "time runs out" wasn't just a dilemma the characters in his story were facing.
Hell, when I look back at it, that life raft vs cabal fight in issue 3 or 4 of SW, should've made up an entire issue all by itself: the surprise in T'Challa's face when he sees Namor still alive, the back and forth chatter of BP, Reed, Strange, Namor, Maximus and Black Swan as they compare notes and allegiances with everything that's happened since NA #2. Then seeing the actual fight as they all throw down with each other + the Thors, with the final page of the issue ending with the Thors disappearing and Doom appearing to confront everyone. I would've much preferred that as the abridged 'coming full circle/payoff' issue; with the following issue then giving us a brief flashback of Doom and Susan watchin the fight, seein Reed, etc etc, to show us that that's what prompted him to confront them. But obviously at that point, he was workin with a limited amount of pages/issues to progress and finish things i guess.
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Also, I honestly thought Black Swan early on was a great subplot and addition that could've been more (even past the story arc). She was charismatic and entertaining with how she talked down to people, and had potential imo to be a really solid quasi-villain in her own right, in the MU. I thought the Doom reveal towards the end of NA took a bit from her uniqueness but that it still could've branched off into something compelling once she learned the truth of it all (and rebelled to find her own purpose). With how she was early on in the book, I was hoping she would be a future villain/frenemy of T'Challa
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[QUOTE=Rumble;1762169]Also, I honestly thought Black Swan early on was a great subplot and addition that could've been more (even past the story arc). She was charismatic and entertaining with how she talked down to people, and had potential imo to be a really solid quasi-villain in her own right, in the MU. I thought the Doom reveal towards the end of NA took a bit from her uniqueness but that it still could've branched off into something compelling once she learned the truth of it all (and rebelled to find her own purpose). With how she was early on in the book, I was hoping she would be a future villain/frenemy of T'Challa[/QUOTE]
[B]She had a lot of potential to be a really interesting character and her back story was pretty cool as well, unfortunately Hickman had to move on and dropped her to more of a sideline cheerleader to Doom role, then she died? When she fought star lord, or atleast we don't see anything else with her anymore. Hopefully someone picks her up k. the comics because there is potential there.
Oddly enough I remember reading about when Na first started how there was possibility of a live interest. I dunno where it came from but people talked about it initially [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1762485][B]She had a lot of potential to be a really interesting character and her back story was pretty cool as well, unfortunately Hickman had to move on and dropped her to more of a sideline cheerleader to Doom role, then she died? When she fought star lord, or atleast we don't see anything else with her anymore. Hopefully someone picks her up k. the comics because there is potential there.
Oddly enough I remember reading about when Na first started how there was possibility of a live interest. I dunno where it came from but people talked about it initially [/B][/QUOTE]
Yea i think the implication was starlord sacrificed himself to take her down with him. I agree it'd be cool if she did get picked up but like we both eluded to, the whole doom cheerleader thing kinda soured things a bit, pretty much boxed her in and left her purposeless. Prior to, there were hints as if she had an ulterior motive for either bringing back her fam or just something ominous (been a while since I read those issues).
As far as BP, she would've been a perfect Poison Ivy type villain for him in demeanor. The bad girl/grey area villain who gets up close and personal, always trying to push his buttons with all the subtleties that work on most men (with bp knowing she's too dangerous to ever leave himself vulnerable) but who actually has a strong respect or admiration for him as a warrior. A writer would def have to re-purpose her somewhat tho, as they really wouldn't have a reason to to be in each other's crosshairs post-sw
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Except she kinda, sorta murdered Wakandans in her first appearance so... yeah....
BS had potential, but, after basically building her up for issue after issue... became background noise and never made it back to the front.
In the end, she was a waste of space. You had a handful of the most interesting characters in the MU and she was hogging panel space and being... condescending because hickman had people in the illuminati act like idiots... and then ended up being useless.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1762918]Except she kinda, sorta murdered Wakandans in her first appearance so... yeah....
BS had potential, but, after basically building her up for issue after issue... became background noise and never made it back to the front.
In the end, she was a waste of space. You had a handful of the most interesting characters in the MU and she was hogging panel space and being... condescending because hickman had people in the illuminati act like idiots... and then ended up being useless.[/QUOTE]
I wouldnt call her useless. She served her purpose as distraction and much added tension in the sausagefest that called itself the Illuminati. I vant do the whole BS/BP pairing since she has Wakandan blood on her hands.
But maybe she will become a part of the Black Order. She could be a valuable high profile villain in the MU.
Hopefully, not wasted as some heroes bad girl side piece
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;1763129]I wouldnt call her useless. She served her purpose as distraction and much added tension in the sausagefest that called itself the Illuminati. I vant do the whole BS/BP pairing since she has Wakandan blood on her hands.
But maybe she will become a part of the Black Order. She could be a valuable high profile villain in the MU.
Hopefully, not wasted as some heroes bad girl side piece[/QUOTE]
She took up valuable panel space in NA.. only to be reduced to THanos side kick and then Doom cheerleader.
to me, that is a waste. Her only purpose was exposition, which could have been handled by the actually Illuminati if they weren't dumbed down around her.
Shoulda had Rachel replace Beast in the Illuminait or somethign instead
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Yeah... I disagree with a lot of this (even Black Swan's part, which was pretty much over by the end of the incursions), but to be honest, I have too much going on to provide a meaningful response.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1763144]She took up valuable panel space in NA.. only to be reduced to THanos side kick and then Doom cheerleader.
to me, that is a waste. Her only purpose was exposition, which could have been handled by the actually Illuminati if they weren't dumbed down around her.
Shoulda had Rachel replace Beast in the Illuminait or somethign instead[/QUOTE]
If you brought in Rachel then that would have been a very different story. Namor would have been outed early, and same with Maximus.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;1763129]I wouldnt call her useless. She served her purpose as distraction and much added tension in the sausagefest that called itself the Illuminati. I vant do the whole BS/BP pairing since she has Wakandan blood on her hands.
But maybe she will become a part of the Black Order. She could be a valuable high profile villain in the MU.
Hopefully, not wasted as some heroes bad girl side piece[/QUOTE]
There are a couple fun things they could do with Black Swan.
She had issues with Strange (and the Black Priets) so she makes a descent Dr. Strange rogue.
And she can easily show up in Iron Man given how much Doom is in that book these days. She could either be Dooms accomplish or maybe even an enemy if she doesn't take to kindly to his Wizard of Oz act.
Maybe at some point they can also bring back the Cabal, minus Namor.
I think the bottom line is that Hickman planeted a lot of nice seeds in the MU. They didn't necessarily sprout in his run, but in the least there's a lot of potential for other writers to play with down the line.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;1763209]If you brought in Rachel then that would have been a very different story. Namor would have been outed early, and same with Maximus.[/QUOTE]
I think it's less Namor that would be outed and rather the rest of the Illuminati. All Namor did was essentially follow through with what the Illuminati were planning all along.
If Rachel was able to determine that none of the rest were actually willing or capable of following through, maybe things would have been different. Though that's not necessarily a good thing. Also I'm not sure Rachel herself would be willing to go along with the groups plan.
I think Cable might have been a cool replacement at least as far as fitting in with the group. Though he's not a likely person for Xavier to pass the gem too. Really, Beast at that point probably would have been the person most likely to get it.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1763212]There are a couple fun things they could do with Black Swan.
She had issues with Strange (and the Black Priets) so she makes a descent Dr. Strange rogue.
And she can easily show up in Iron Man given how much Doom is in that book these days. She could either be Dooms accomplish or maybe even an enemy if she doesn't take to kindly to his Wizard of Oz act.
Maybe at some point they can also bring back the Cabal, minus Namor.
I think the bottom line is that Hickman planeted a lot of nice seeds in the MU. They didn't necessarily sprout in his run, but in the least there's a lot of potential for other writers to play with down the line.[/QUOTE]
I agree.The MU needs more pure female villains. She would be a great foil for Strange.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1763216]I think it's less Namor that would be outed and rather the rest of the Illuminati. All Namor did was essentially follow through with what the Illuminati were planning all along.
If Rachel was able to determine that none of the rest were actually willing or capable of following through, maybe things would have been different. Though that's not necessarily a good thing. Also I'm not sure Rachel herself would be willing to go along with the groups plan.
I think Cable might have been a cool replacement at least as far as fitting in with the group. Though he's not a likely person for Xavier to pass the gem too. Really, Beast at that point probably would have been the person most likely to get it.[/QUOTE]
I am talking about Namor sending Thanos to Wakanda. The Illuminati didnt know about that until much later. Namor would have been booted out for that.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;1763223]I am talking about Namor sending Thanos to Wakanda. The Illuminati didnt know about that until much later. Namor would have been booted out for that.[/QUOTE]
Man, I wish Bendis didn't kill off Xavier.
The whole story would have been changed by a high level telepath. Screw asking Swan questions... rip if from her mind lol
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1763144]She took up valuable panel space in NA.. only to be reduced to THanos side kick and then Doom cheerleader.
to me, that is a waste. Her only purpose was exposition, which could have been handled by the actually Illuminati if they weren't dumbed down around her.
Shoulda had Rachel replace Beast in the Illuminait or somethign instead[/QUOTE]
Hickman may not have used Beast to his full potential, but his reasoning for putting him there was dead on.
If Professor X was going to give the Mind Gem (and his seat in the Illuminati) to anybody, it would have been Jean OR Hank, in that order. Jean's been more or less
dead for a while now so, that let her out.
As far is Black Swan goes, its as much a plot manipulation to have characters that can somehow understand all the implications of a novel situation as it is having somebody around to explain it to them.
Its not like the Illuminati ever trusted her at all. And she she was working with a
faulty set of information herself.
But she wasn't wrong about the stakes from her viewpoint.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;1763228]Hickman may not have used Beast to his full potential, but his reasoning for putting him there was dead on.
If Professor X was going to give the Mind Gem (and his seat in the Illuminati) to anybody, it would have been Jean OR Hank, in that order. Jean's been more or less
dead for a while now so, that let her out.
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oh yeah, it makes 100% sense who got the gem. Just wish it was someone more... interesting
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1763233]oh yeah, it makes 100% sense who got the gem. Just wish it was someone more... interesting[/QUOTE]
Yeah, well Xavier wasn't going to give an Infinity Stone to Emma, he knows she's amoral even on her good days.
But even if Xavier HAD been there we just would have learned that Black Swan has a unbreakable psi shield or something.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1763233]oh yeah, it makes 100% sense who got the gem. Just wish it was someone more... interesting[/QUOTE]
[B]I feel like Beast could of been interesting.. Had Hickman actually used him for more then to fill a seat in the Illuminati.
As for Black Swan. Again i don't know where people got the idea that she could be a love interest for T'Challa, but she definitely needs to have a role in the new MU. among other characters. The Cabal has some interesting villains to be used. The problem was that Hickman started a bunch of subplots that essentially went no where, and he didn't set them up to be picked up nice and neatly for another writer to take over, they just more so fizzled out and became wasted panel space/ wasted issues (looking at Steve's Time traveling here).
Hopefully though some of thse interesting Hickman made characters have made it to the ANAD Marvel. Time will tell, and it it potential for more character development and not just creating characters as fodder for the story being told [/B]
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1762918]Except she kinda, sorta murdered Wakandans in her first appearance so... yeah.... [/quote]
Yea... which is why I said she could've been a good [b]villain[/b] for T'Challa... which wouldn't have made her anymore of a love interest than Malice was or that P Ivy is. Not really in on the find t'challa somethin/anything to hump stuff; more so on diversifying his rogue gallery.
Overall point being that whatever potential she had was early on in NA but it was soon brushed aside, which made it seem like a waste on multiple levels.
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Some gameplay from Lego Avengers showing Panther at various points. You get to see how he fights around 5 minutes in.
[video=youtube;UENnOnRVJN8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UENnOnRVJN8[/video]
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[QUOTE=Holt;1764016]Some gameplay from Lego Avengers showing Panther at various points. You get to see how he fights around 5 minutes in.
[video=youtube;UENnOnRVJN8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UENnOnRVJN8[/video][/QUOTE]
Fun stuff! That dash attack thing he did was pretty cool and may be a hint of things to come in CW
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Found this and thought I would share it.
In regards to T'Challa and Black Swan, I would like her to return. I've grown to like her more and think she can serve as a nice foe for T'Challa and the other heroes of the MU.
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Black Swan was amazing and fresh. She was the only female in a room full of Supposed Great Men and She Conducted herself as they're better.But like someone said earlier once the reveal of Doom, She kind of fell apart. I would love to see her show up across the Marvel U
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I am a new owner of an Arvell Jones Black Panther print-he's in the Priest era outfit.
When I get it in a frame I'll share it here.