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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1852553]Is there a site that tracks digital sales? I've been looking all over, can't find it.
And I agree, the book will appeal beyond the general comic fanbase. The digital sales will be key.[/QUOTE]
No, close guarded secret. I think one of the places puts like "top books" somewhere but that is it.
Can't wait for the first sales report and for all the unfans to go "lulz, forced diversitya nd non comic book writer, look at the crap salez lulz"
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1852571]That is actually a carryover from the Hickman run. But props to Coates for bringing it to his run. I hope the mask thing sticks in future runs.
[IMG]http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111183211/4120120-screen+shot+2014-09-25+at+09.24.44.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Yeah, judging from the preview there's absolutely no doubt that Coatees was paying attention to Hickmans run with the character. And I think that's a good sign, as a lot of BP writers tend to sort of ignore what came before so they can give themselves a clean slate. He did his homework.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1852579]Ahhh, I see.
Back on BP....so the revolt is not organic? Someone is causing Wakandans via mind control to revolt?
Perhaps we may have a new villain appear for this run.[/QUOTE]
The People are the villain. They are new and super powerd but I believe some classic people are supposed tos how up as well
I would imagine the revolt is part mind control, part real feelings being put to the surface.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1852557]Marvel going with the "season" format was one of its better decisions.
Each season will have a clear beginning, middle, and end. Fans (and the writer) won't have to worry about cancellation, unless sales simply tank way below expectations.[/QUOTE]
Love the season format. F the "omg why are they renumbering" fans.
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And those force powers mane!
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1852579]Ahhh, I see.
Back on BP....so the revolt is not organic? Someone is causing Wakandans via mind control to revolt?
Perhaps we may have a new villain appear for this run.[/QUOTE]
That's what I would assume at this point. In comics glowing green eyes is USUALLY an indicator of mind control.
Though I suspect it's not COMPLETELY inorganic in that I do legitimately think there's some unrest and the mind control or whatever is just sort adding fuel to it. Obviously that's just my guess ... but if the end result is T'Challa bringing changes to Wakanda then I assume he does see some problems that legitimately need to be addressed apart from whatever else is going on.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1852587]The People are the villain. They are new and super powerd but I believe some classic people are supposed tos how up as well
I would imagine the revolt is part mind control, part real feelings being put to the surface.[/QUOTE]
Right, the People was the name of the terrorist group. I was talking about the person in particular causing the mind control thing. I have a feeling that character will draw a lot of attention.
Either way, its less than a month away now, we'll have the answers soon.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1852582][B]No, close guarded secret[/B]. I think one of the places puts like "top books" somewhere but that is it.
Can't wait for the first sales report and for all the unfans to go "lulz, forced diversitya nd non comic book writer, look at the crap salez lulz"[/QUOTE]
Really? Why so?
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[QUOTE=XPac;1852528]Looks fun.
Judging from the glowing green eyes I'm assuming the revolt is actually mind controlled based to some degree. So in a way it's not so bad. The unrest is artificial if that's the case (though there probably is some degree of legit unhappiness apart from that).
I do dig BP's guys having those lightning staffs or whatever they are. I wonder if they are tech or magical. I almost think T'Challa should carry one of those around.[/QUOTE]
I am hoping that the mind control is also mixed with a very real and organic opposition based upon some of the terrible decisions that T'Challa has made (when it comes to Wakanda) over the past few years. Take note here..
[B]Leaving aside the problems of reconciling absolute monarchy with ultra-modernism, there are the actual events in Wakanda which have happened under previous writers. In recent years Wakandans have endured a coup courtesy of the villainous Achebe, another courtesy Dr. Doom, the murder of two of T’Challa top lieutenants, a cataclysmic flood courtesy of Prince Namor, the subsequent dissolution of a royal marriage, and finally decimation and conquest at the hands of Thanos’ Black Order. Wakanda had always prided itself on having never been conquered. This is no longer true. What, then, is the country if it is as vulnerable as all others? And what happens to a state when its absolute monarch can no longer fulfill the base requirement of any government—securing the safety of their people?[/B]
-Ta-Nehisi Coates
One of the reasons I am excited and so looking forward to Coates's take on the Panther character, is because he has so far refused to let T'Challa off the hook for his decisions. T'Challa in the eyes of Wakanda is not a superhero, he is their King. A champion of all things Wakanda and the national and most importantly, spiritual, symbol of Wakandan excellence. Coates has directly outlined the reasons why Wakandans would lose faith in T'Challa representing this symbol, and therefore T'Challa, as a character, as a Wakandan, as a King, must be redeemed in the eyes of not only his people, but his audience. Resetting time BACK to BEFORE to you directly failed to protect your Kingdom is no redemption, furthermore, resetting time back and in particularly doing so in a manner where you are now King again, usurping the current Panther and Monarch, your own sister, casts a shadow of unearned reward. T'Challa's methods, mind-state,mane worthiness must be put on a trial of sorts, where his character must face the very real question of whether he is fit to rule.
This, as shown in the preview will be a Trial Of Fire.
It is my belief that this arc, a Nation Under Our a Feet, will constitute the redemption of T'Challa and the reaffirmation of THE Black Panther. By the end of this arc there will be little doubt that T'Challa is the rightful holder of the title. This HAS to come however, from direct challenge, direct challenge from the very people whom he failed. Resetting time doesn't force you to face your decisions, facing mind-controlled puppets doesn't force you to face your decisions. Anarchy however, forces you to face yourself and your part in losing the trust of the people you have sworn to protect. Failure forces you to reforge your resolve, and the one question that those who doubt his reign and rule need ONE crucial question answered of the man who tradition directs them to follow.
Who Is The Black Panther?
Coates will answer that question, for the faithful, for the doubters, and for the 2016 audience.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1852622]Really? Why so?[/QUOTE]
Marvel doesn't release sales data period.
All these sales figures come from elsewhere.
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[QUOTE=Ziggiyy;1852635]I am hoping that the mind control is also mixed with a very real opposition based upon some of the terrible decisions that T'Challa has made (when it comes to Wakanda) over the past few years. Take note here..
[B]Leaving aside the problems of reconciling absolute monarchy with ultra-modernism, there are the actual events in Wakanda which have happened under previous writers. In recent years Wakandans have endured a coup courtesy of the villainous Achebe, another courtesy Dr. Doom, the murder of two of T’Challa top lieutenants, a cataclysmic flood courtesy of Prince Namor, the subsequent dissolution of a royal marriage, and finally decimation and conquest at the hands of Thanos’ Black Order. Wakanda had always prided itself on having never been conquered. This is no longer true. What, then, is the country if it is as vulnerable as all others? And what happens to a state when its absolute monarch can no longer fulfill the base requirement of any government—securing the safety of their people?[/B]
-Ta-Nehisi Coates
One of the reasons I am excited and so looking forward to Coates's take on the Panther character, is because he has so far refused to let T'Challa off the hook for his decisions. T'Challa in the eyes of Wakanda is not a superhero, he is their King. A champion of all things Wakanda and the national and most importantly, spiritual, symbol of Wakandan excellence. Coates has directly outlined the reasons why Wakandans would lose faith in T'Challa representing this symbol, and therefore T'Challa, as a character, as a Wakandan, as a King, must be redeemed in the eyes of not only his people, but his audience. Resetting time BACK to BEFORE to you directly failed to protect your Kingdom is no redemption, furthermore, resetting time back and in particularly doing so in a manner where you are now King again, usurping the current Panther and Monarch, your own sister, casts a shadow of unearned reward. T'Challa's methods, mind-state,mane worthiness must be put on a trial of sorts, where his character must face the very real question of whether he is fit to rule.
This, as shown in the preview will be a Trial Of Fire.
It is my belief that this arc, a Nation Under Our a Feet, will constitute the redemption of T'Challa and the reaffirmation of THE Black Panther. By the end of this arc there will be little doubt that T'Challa is the rightful holder of the title. This HAS to come however, from direct challenge, direct challenge from the very people whom he failed. Resetting time doesn't force you to face your decisions, facing mind-controlled puppets doesn't force you to face your decisions. Anarchy however, forces you to face yourself and your part in losing the trust of the people you have sworn to protect. Failure forces you to reforge your resolve, and the one question that those who doubt his reign and rule need ONE crucial question answered of the man who tradition directs them to follow.
Who Is The Black Panther?
Coates will answer that question, for the faithful, for the doubters, and for the 2016 audience.[/QUOTE]
If you want to be technical about it, all the things Coates mentioned except the Achebe thing occured when Shuri was ruling Wakanda.
But yeah... I think the people have legitimate gripes against T'Challa. This was a guy who at one point was a school teacher halfway across the country when he was still the ruling king of Wakanda. So there are legitimate reasons to question his priorities (even though I doubt anyone else could really do a better job than him).
I'm sure by the end of Coatess run Wakanda and readers will see that T'Challa the right guy to sit on that throne.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1852648]
I'm sure by the end of Coatess run Wakanda and readers will see that T'Challa the right guy to sit on that throne.[/QUOTE]
I am assuming that is the point of this run. Hopefully anyway.
And I think Coates mentioned that Waknada is fed up with the royal family, not just T'challa
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Oh.. and we won't see Wakanda in Civil War...
[B]Chadwick Boseman confirmed the news in a recent chat with Nerdist, stating: "I know you thought you were because of 'Age of Ultron,' but…it’s not happening." That's a shame, but you can understand why Marvel would want to take their time designing the country and letting director Ryan Coogler give his input there rather than deciding on that now. [/B]
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1852656]Oh.. and we won't see Wakanda in Civil War...
[B]Chadwick Boseman confirmed the news in a recent chat with Nerdist, stating: "I know you thought you were because of 'Age of Ultron,' but…it’s not happening." That's a shame, but you can understand why Marvel would want to take their time designing the country and letting director Ryan Coogler give his input there rather than deciding on that now. [/B][/QUOTE]
No surprise there. I prefer we see Wakanda in all of its glory in the solo anyway.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1852656]Oh.. and we won't see Wakanda in Civil War...
[B]Chadwick Boseman confirmed the news in a recent chat with Nerdist, stating: "I know you thought you were because of 'Age of Ultron,' but…it’s not happening." That's a shame, but you can understand why Marvel would want to take their time designing the country and letting director Ryan Coogler give his input there rather than deciding on that now. [/B][/QUOTE]
A little disappointing but not altogether unexpected
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I thought we might get a Throne room shot at least, of T'chaka sending T'challa to the US.
I wonder if MCU T'challa is going to be "world educated" like comic T'challa or if he stayed in Wakanda only.
IN MORE PANTHER NEWS...
Necropolis is about to show up in Future Fight, looks like the Black Order is heading there.
Man, i wish they would add a uniform for T'challa in that game.... i imagine we will get one when CW comes out though.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1852650]I am assuming that is the point of this run. Hopefully anyway.
[B]And I think Coates mentioned that Waknada is fed up with the royal family, not just T'challa[/B][/QUOTE]
The whole monarchy style of governing is being put to task by Coates. Wakanda may not have a monarchy by the end of this story arc.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1852683]I thought we might get a Throne room shot at least, of T'chaka sending T'challa to the US.
[B]I wonder if MCU T'challa is going to be "world educated" like comic T'challa or if he stayed in Wakanda only. [/B]
IN MORE PANTHER NEWS...
Necropolis is about to show up in Future Fight, looks like the Black Order is heading there.
Man, i wish they would add a uniform for T'challa in that game.... i imagine we will get one when CW comes out though.[/QUOTE]
Very good question. I'd wager that they'd stick with the "World Educated" aspect of his character so that it stands in contrast with some of Wakanda's ruling class, perhaps even his father, in the solo movie. It would also make for good characterization if T'Challa and T'Chaka have been having discussion about bringing Wakanda into the wider world, which Feige has directly implied. It could also be a sticking point in Civil War itself that T'Chaka expressly sent T'Challa to the west due to his worldly education and time spent with foreigners.
I think that, in some aspect T'Challa has to be relatable to western audiences who will be going to see him in 2018. This doesn't mean that he has to share western ideals of course, just that he has an understanding of the culture.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1852695]The whole monarchy style of governing is being put to task by Coates. Wakanda may not have a monarchy by the end of this story arc.[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
Although I do feel it will still be a monarchy at the end, it would be rather bold to end the entire monarchy and if written in an ex-error handled manner could present a compelling change to the Panther mythology. The reason I think it won't happen is simply because T'Challa as King is a defining part of his character, not THE ONLY defining part but a pretty major one. Which is why I feel a redemption arc is absolutely needed and that after T'Challa has proven himself fit to rule, the people will follow him gladly.
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Could see it being T'challa remains King, but "the people" as a whole are given a larger voice, whether through a parliament, congress, council, whatever.
T'challa is gonna be King in the MCU. THe comics will want to align (or should)
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1852656]Oh.. and we won't see Wakanda in Civil War...
[B]Chadwick Boseman confirmed the news in a recent chat with Nerdist, stating: "I know you thought you were because of 'Age of Ultron,' but…it’s not happening." That's a shame, but you can understand why Marvel would want to take their time designing the country and letting director Ryan Coogler give his input there rather than deciding on that now. [/B][/QUOTE]
That's only news if you haven't been paying attention to what Kevin Feige said when the Black Panther film was announced. He outright said the movie would be about Wakanda's introduction to the rest of the world. It's like when that Sony deal happened a lot of places that were supposed to be covering this stuff ignored it in favor ot stupid spider-man rumors.
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;1852732]That's only news if you haven't been paying attention to what Kevin Feige said when the Black Panther film was announced. He outright said the movie would be about Wakanda's introduction to the rest of the world. It's like when that Sony deal happened a lot of places that were supposed to be covering this stuff ignored it in favor ot stupid spider-man rumors.[/QUOTE]
It got muddled when the Russo's pretty much stated that Wakanda would be seen in Civil War.
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[QUOTE=Ziggiyy;1852739]It got muddled when the Russo's pretty much stated that Wakanda would be seen in Civil War.[/QUOTE]
They were joking around during a Q & A and people took it as the gospel. It was the same interview where they said infinity war would feature 60 characters and people took that seriously.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1852695]The whole monarchy style of governing is being put to task by Coates. Wakanda may not have a monarchy by the end of this story arc.[/QUOTE]
It'll probably still have a monarchy because it's cool having a super hero king.
But I suspect the system will be tweaked to add greater represee5and democracy. Those are things people want even in a well run monarchy.
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;1852732]That's only news if you haven't been paying attention to what Kevin Feige said when the Black Panther film was announced. He outright said the movie would be about Wakanda's introduction to the rest of the world. It's like when that Sony deal happened a lot of places that were supposed to be covering this stuff ignored it in favor ot stupid spider-man rumors.[/QUOTE]
Someone in last few pages mentioned seeing Wakanda in CW, so I felt it was worthy of a quick post
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I'm curious as to how Coates is going to reconcile these changes with the fact that Wakanda has deity overseeing it that put the Panther Clan in place as rulers in the first place.
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[QUOTE=Ziggiyy;1852217]It is Redundancy.
Furthermore it undermines all of the more interesting and down right cool tidbits that have been released within the past 24 hours.[/QUOTE]
You took my quote... literally?
The Wakanda and Atlantis debate is personal amusement. And I like the passion that each fan base displays, it shows how impacting these two characters are.
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And I am already on twitter about the upcoming comic for BP.
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[QUOTE=Holt;1852536]F*cking sick.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/bl0IUdN.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Wow. I now really want to see the movie suit eventually do this :D.
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;1852809]I'm curious as to how Coates is going to reconcile these changes with the fact that Wakanda has deity overseeing it that put the Panther Clan in place as rulers in the first place.[/QUOTE]
That is a really, really good point.
Likely just frame it as another test by Bast to proves his worthiness (again)
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1852866]That is a really, really good point.
Likely just frame it as another test by Bast to proves his worthiness (again)[/QUOTE]
Bast is a strict teacher it seems. "Oh, you thought that this being the first day of school, meant it'd be an easy one, did you? Surprise revision test"
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[video=youtube;5RDAm0HENlQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RDAm0HENlQ[/video]
#Tomorrow
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Goshhh
I usually stop at one trailer for movies I really want to see but I doubt I can stop myself....
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[QUOTE=Darthkostis;1852877]Bast is a strict teacher it seems. "Oh, you thought that this being the first day of school, meant it'd be an easy one, did you? Surprise revision test"[/QUOTE]
lol
"Nice job saving the multiverse T'challa.... now save your country. Cya later, gonna go kick it with the other do nothin dieties"
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That's a dope shot of T'Challa in that teaser. Looking forward to the screencaps that are sure to follow.
Am I the only person that's noticed we've only seen Don Cheadle's face in that scene where he's unconscious?
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[QUOTE=Darthkostis;1852877]Bast is a strict teacher it seems. "Oh, you thought that this being the first day of school, meant it'd be an easy one, did you? Surprise revision test"[/QUOTE]
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Best comic book costume to date (no bias I swear!)
That shot just screams POWER to me
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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/U6gCoHk.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/lnBmpj2.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=XPac;1852648]If you want to be technical about it, all the things Coates mentioned except the Achebe thing occured when Shuri was ruling Wakanda.
[/QUOTE]
And your point is what exactly?
Pre-Doomwar, T'Challa set off with a retinue of loyal Dora Milaje's to meet up with Namor on a remote island.
He told no one in his trusted inner circle such as Ororo, Shuri, Uncle Syan or his mother Ramonda.
What kind of a responsible monarch does something as stupid as this?
Furthemore, T'Challa's obssessive level of secrecy threw Wakanda into turmoil following Doom's nearly successful attempt on the Wakandan monarchs life especially as Doom was able to exploit T'Challa's tactical blunder to first, engineer an assault on Namor by Shuri before moving on to neutralizing Ororo within Wakanda thus paving the way for the rise of the Desturi.
The fact that following Shuri's victory over Morlun, she eventually became the ruling Black Panther, in no way alters the fact that T'Challa was the primary facilitator of all of Wakanda's woes leading on from the aftermath of Doomwar/AvX all the way through to Everything Dies/Time Runs Out/Secret Wars II.
But somehow in your reasoning because some of these things happened while Shuri was Queen of Wakanda this has relevance how?
If a Queen is undermined at every turn by her own brothers stupid actions and arbitary decisions, how exactly is that Shuri's fault?
I have no doubt in my mind that Coates is a phenomenal writer whse prose will be backed by Stelfrezes's awesome artwork, but lets not pretend that T'Challa's use of Infinity Gems to maneuver himself back onto the Wakandan is a straight up punk move that marks him out as being anything but suitable to rule Wakanda.
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Mask looks a lot better in HD haha
Good to see the broken record keeps on playing in the background in the midst of all the new stuff.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1853011]
Good to see the broken record keeps on playing in the background in the midst of all the new stuff.[/QUOTE]
The reality is those topics appear to be very relevant to the plot of the Coates run, to the point that they may help shape what kind of government Wakanda may have when it's all over.
As others previously mentioned, Coates has a great opportunity to address those issues directly, and it appears he'll do just that. Assuming he does, it will help bring some closure to those topics, and possibly elevate T'Challa and the BP franchise to new heights along the way.