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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1908818]Aw man wtf....
[IMG]http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2014/02/facepalm.gif[/IMG]
Assuming she's still dead and didn't come back...how does the entire Marvel Universe comes back due to T'Challa's action with the gem, but somehow his own sister doesn't make it?
I'll pick up the first issue and give Coates a chance with later issues...but yea, if she indeed stayed dead, that is wack.[/QUOTE]
Well, when you look at one of the last issues of Time Runs Out, we find out that Shuri is now part of the dead or dead kings and queens of Wakanda so if Coates wanted to bring her back to life, then he would have to explain as to why he couldn't do the same for other kings and T'Chaka or something along those lines. I don't even think T'Challa knew if the time gem would work and if it did it would have caused some sort of butterfly effect in time. Honestly the more you think about it, the more convoluted it gets.
This is a really problematic issue but may be he might be building up to bringing her to life. It's Hickman I actually blame for this. At the end prevention is better than cure so if Hickman had prevented Shuri' death, maybe Coates wouldn't have a problem using her.
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;1908840]Well, when you look at one of the last issues of Time Runs Out, we find out that Shuri is now part of the dead or dead kings and queens of Wakanda so if Coates wanted to bring her back to life, [B]then he would have to explain as to why he couldn't do the same for other kings and T'Chaka or something along those lines.[/B] I don't even think T'Challa knew if the time gem would work and if it did it would have caused some sort of butterfly effect in time. Honestly the more you think about it, the more convoluted it gets.[/QUOTE]
The Time/ Reality gem essentially went back to the time of NA #1. The previous panthers weren't alive then. Shuri was.
So T'Challa goes back to that time or re-creates that time (even meeting again the three Wakandan youth who once died in that issue), the entire Marvel Universe comes back to that time, even bringing characters from other universes...yet his own sister and former Queen, who was alive at the time, doesn't come back?
As is, that doesn't make sense at all. There better be more to this or else that's just flat out lazy.
[QUOTE]This is a really problematic issue but may be he might be building up to bringing her to life. It's Hickman I actually blame for this. At the end prevention is better than cure so if Hickman had prevented Shuri' death, maybe Coates wouldn't have a problem using her.[/QUOTE]
There's no way to know if he's planning to use her outside of what info we currently have. As is, it doesn't look good. We'll get more info as more issues come.
And regardless of what Hickman did along the way, if Coates want to use her, he could. Going back / re-creating the events of NA #1 allowed him to do so. Plus there was an 8-month gap. So, it was basically up to him and still is.
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Has any character had a worse case of dying/vanishing supporting cast?
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[QUOTE=MrHashasheen;1908616]My problem with the once a year challenge thing is that there's a basic stop-gap against that with the heart-herb ritual, which under Priest basically poisoned anybody not of the royal bloodline. Even if you go so far and assume examples like Charlemagne wherein pretty much everyone in Wakanda has an immunity by lieu of claiming descent from Bashenga and his heirs that seems unlikely considering how insular each Wakandan tribe is and considering how Killmonger reacted whereas Spiderman didn't.[/QUOTE]
You can almost think of the ritual as a clever trap to kill off any potential threats. It lures in potential rivals and those few actually capable of winning it end up poisoned.
Unless Peter Parker decides to throw his hat in the ring it's basically rigged.
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My anticipation has taking a hit at the Shuri news. I knew something was up when Coates never acknowledged Shuri anywhere since his announcement as the new writer. It's kinda ironic since Coates seems to love female characters that he would keep one of the few prominent not only strong but Black female characters in the MU dead.
I really hope they do right by MCU T'Challa at least. Hopefully gets better handling than his comic book counterpart has and looks to be continuing to get.
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;1908630]For the record, I honestly don't care about the Dora Milaje thing. I want to see some of the faves come back, but I said years ago that the concept would be changed as the character became more popular. I just think that some of the comments I've seen regarding T'Challa usage of them have been wrong on ill informed. T'Challa never had intentions of marrying or sleeping with either of them. He viewed them as children (Which they were). Priest addressed that part of things numerous times but folks just stuck with the "wives in training" thing.
My biggest concerns about Coates run seems to be that (by his early comments) he's not acknowledging the mystical aspects of Wakanda and the fact that many Wakandans are traditionalists that "cling to the old ways". I don't want to see the tech or the mysticism of Wakanda downplayed. I want to see T'Challa be the bridge between the two.
I've repeatedly said that I wonder how Coates is going to reconcile his question of "Why would an advanced nation have a monarchy) with the fact that Wakanda has multiple gods that have final say over who the chieftains are of each respective tribe. There's also supposed to be the yearly challenge to the throne.
So far we haven't seen him make any changes, but he clearly intends to make changes. I'd be less apprehensive of those changes if he didn't seem to be drawing so heavily from the guys most responsible for tearing Wakanda down and showing T'Challa fail the past 5 years.[/QUOTE]
The gods having final say in who the chieftan is might be part of the problem. Maybe the people would prefer that they had a the final say in their leadership rather than Bast.
I wouldn't be shocked if the people weren't anymore thrilled with Bast than the Royal Family if she didn't do a whole lot to help them in Doom War, AvX, or Time Runs Out, at least from their perpsective.
As far as mysticism goes... in the previews those guys guarding T'Challa were shooting what looked like lightning bolts. Hard to say if that's mysticism or tech. But either way, it looks like a pretty neat upgrade to the usual stuff we see their spears do.
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;1908869]Has any character had a worse case of dying/vanishing supporting cast?[/QUOTE]
Panther's whole history is just full of convolution and disappearing cast members who are vital for one run and gone the next.
I really hope we are all just pulling the "SKY IS FALLING!!!" thing right now and Coates comes correct. But F, I just went from super excited to extreme trepidation in like 24 hours lol.
At least the Russos haven't scared me yet.
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;1908869]Has any character had a worse case of dying/vanishing supporting cast?[/QUOTE]
Plenty.
Wonder Woman for one. Nick Fury for another.
Steve Trevor was alive then dead than alive again then old thruout the 60's, 70's and 80's.
Nick Fury has had nearly all of his agent supporting cast killed off then brought back then killed off again.
If you do not have a steady book with steady sales, the writers are goona want to experment. Commision Gordon is a fixture, Foggy Nelson is a fixture.
Perry White is a fixture.
That supporting character in a book that lasted only 3 years?
"Screw THAT. I can come up with somebody cooler."
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[QUOTE=XPac;1908910]The gods having final say in who the chieftan is might be part of the problem. Maybe the people would prefer that they had a the final say in their leadership rather than Bast.
I wouldn't be shocked if the people weren't anymore thrilled with Bast than the Royal Family if she didn't do a whole lot to help them in Doom War, AvX, or Time Runs Out, at least from their perpsective.
As far as mysticism goes... in the previews those guys guarding T'Challa were shooting what looked like lightning bolts. Hard to say if that's mysticism or tech. But either way, it looks like a pretty neat upgrade to the usual stuff we see their spears do.[/QUOTE]
Has the same purple as the rest of T'challa's vibranium stuff, so I would assume vibranium tech
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;1908840]Well, when you look at one of the last issues of Time Runs Out, we find out that Shuri is now part of the dead or dead kings and queens of Wakanda so if Coates wanted to bring her back to life, then he would have to explain as to why he couldn't do the same for other kings and T'Chaka or something along those lines. I don't even think T'Challa knew if the time gem would work and if it did it would have caused some sort of butterfly effect in time. Honestly the more you think about it, the more convoluted it gets.
This is a really problematic issue but may be he might be building up to bringing her to life. It's Hickman I actually blame for this. At the end prevention is better than cure so if Hickman had prevented Shuri' death, maybe Coates wouldn't have a problem using her.[/QUOTE]
Hickman literally killed off 99.99 percent of the entire multiverse, so I don't think that in any way really prevents future writers from using the characters that died. If Shuri hypothetically stays dead (and I honestly don't believe that's the case) it would simply be because the present writers wanted her to stay dead.
I still believe the fact that they're going out of their way to mention her death in the preview page means Coates has plans for her... perhaps as the bad guy or something.
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;1908869]Has any character had a worse case of dying/vanishing supporting cast?[/QUOTE]
BP's situation isn't entirely unique... plenty of writers choose to give themselves somewhat of a blank slate.
That said, BP writers haven't necessarily had a great track record as far as sustained world building. But I'm not necessarily placing Coates in that category.He seems to have been paying attention to what's happened previously to him, and that's a very good sign.
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From Coates' [URL="https://twitter.com/tanehisicoates"]Twitter[/URL]:
[QUOTE][B]Ta-Nehisi Coates[/B]
Gonna tweet out a quick bit of Marvel comic book nerdom. Sorry everyone else...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Ta-Nehisi Coates[/B]
Anyway someone asked my urge to "cut" the Dora Milajae--T'Challa's all female body-guard corps--which I mentioned in that Times article.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Ta-Nehisi Coates[/B]
I do think the concept is problematic. And I think it's important to think about what's behind an "all-female" body-guard troop.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Ta-Nehisi Coates[/B]
But I also think, like, we should read the whole paragraph. I highlighted the relevant portion, just in case.
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9UZ27WEAAG9EI.jpg:large[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]@kevdog[/B]
@tanehisicoates Whenever I see the word "problematic", what I want is for them to explain the problem, not hand-wave it away with a word.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Ta-Nehisi Coates (in reply to @kevdog's tweet)[/B]
Let's do it [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]@RickRoland3[/B]
@tanehisicoates Wasn't the concept to keep the peace among all the tribes of Wakanda, the guards are from all different tribes.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Ta-Nehisi Coates (in reply to @RickRoland3)[/B]
But like what's up with that? Why only girls? why as body-guards? Is this a security issue. Or is it something else. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]@RickRoland3[/B]
@tanehisicoates I always understood it in this aspect
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9Vgn9WsAA2We2.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Ta-Nehisi Coates (in reply to @RickRoland3)[/B]
Yeah I don't know... [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]@Mizujada[/B]
@tanehisicoates were they supposed to be reminiscent of Amazons?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Ta-Nehisi Coates (in reply to @Mizujada)[/B]
I guess. But I never thought of Amazons as personal body-guards to a dude. Warriors in their own right, no? [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Ta-Nehisi Coates[/B]
With that said, continuity is important. It's wrong to ignore history. I tried to do something different with them. Come see next week[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]@TDA_Rook[/B]
@tanehisicoates I allways thought they got the idea from the Dahomey "Amazons" [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey_Amazons"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey_Amazons[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Ta-Nehisi Coates (in reply to @TDA_Rook)[/B]
Yeah seems likely. But I guess the questions don't end for me there.[/QUOTE]
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I've seen T'Challa's religion turned into a pseudo-Egyptian thing. I've seen him be religion-of-the-dead guy, because Death Gods, w'ev, instead of prizing ancestors. We've seen him teach high school in America.
I trust Coates not to do stuff like that, basically. Or, flatten Wakanda.
[QUOTE=XPac;1908892]Unless Peter Parker decides to throw his hat in the ring it's basically rigged.[/QUOTE]
Peter's actually very very distantly related to T'Challa. So, it's all within the family.
(Attn panicking Spidey fan: It was fourteen generations back. Peter's not black. Deep breaths. Don't panic.)
[SIZE=1](Also, I made it up.)[/SIZE]
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[QUOTE=robreedwrites;1908931]From Coates' [URL="https://twitter.com/tanehisicoates"]Twitter[/URL]:[/QUOTE]
I could just be in a jaded mood right now because its early and my work peeps are driving me insane, but this does nothing to help me trepidation at all.
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[QUOTE=t hedge coke;1908936]I've seen T'Challa's religion turned into a pseudo-Egyptian thing. I've seen him be religion-of-the-dead guy, because Death Gods, w'ev, instead of prizing ancestors. We've seen him teach high school in America.
I trust Coates not to do stuff like that, basically. Or, flatten Wakanda.
Peter's actually very very distantly related to T'Challa. So, it's all within the family.
(Attn panicking Spidey fan: It was fourteen generations back. Peter's not black. Deep breaths. Don't panic.)
[SIZE=1](Also, I made it up.)[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
In a way T'Challa's religion almost has to be a sort of pseudo Egyptian thing because they worship an Egyptian god.
Perhaps what's behind the rebellion is some sort of local african god or something angry that an egyptian god has been muscling in on their territory for so long.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1908941]I could just be in a jaded mood right now because its early and my work peeps are driving me insane, but this does nothing to help me trepidation at all.[/QUOTE]
Generally speaking I don't think creative people do themselves any favors by engaging their critics on social media. I think 99% of the time you're better off just allowing your work to speak for you.
Not that his responses were necessarily bad, but the fact that he even needs to defend his opinions before the book is out is an indicator of weakness. At least defend it AFTER the book comes out.
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[QUOTE=robreedwrites;1908332]I'm not sure that this page was included in the initial preview. I don't remember seeing it. Make of that second-to-last paragraph what you will.
[IMG]http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/preview/0/0/1/BLAP2016001-int3-1-6983b.jpg[/IMG]
source: [URL="http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/black-panther-1-marvel-comics-2016-1"]http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/black-panther-1-marvel-comics-2016-1[/URL][/QUOTE]
As a long time wannabe Black Panther fan ("wannabe" as in always wanted to like him but never quite could), between this preview page and the [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/03/movies/ta-nehisi-coates-helps-a-new-panther-leave-its-print.html?_r=2]New York times[/url] article, and everything else Coates has said, I'm liking what I'm hearing so far.
Ta-Nehisi Coates seems to be stripping away (or at least sidelining) a lot of the stuff that I don't like or care about, and bringing in a lot of things that sound kind of cool.
And the tweet the other day about no tie-in with Civil War II is one of the best things about his run thus far to me, because I so do not care about Civil War II. Just give me the Black Panther and Wakanda and nothing else. I of course fully expect by the second arc he'll have to do some crossovers and whatever, but I hope it's not too much.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1908801]LOL! (10 Chars).
MrHashasheen, check your pm if you can, I reply to something you sent me way back.[/QUOTE]
I saw it RDH. Been dealing with a bad chest infection last week and a half, so I'm not up to responding in detail just yet.
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[QUOTE=MrHashasheen;1908953]I saw it RDH. Been dealing with a bad chest infection last week and a half, so I'm not up to responding in detail just yet.[/QUOTE]
I hope you get better soon man.
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[QUOTE=MrHashasheen;1908953]I saw it RDH. Been dealing with a bad chest infection last week and a half, so I'm not up to responding in detail just yet.[/QUOTE]
No worries, hoping you get better soon.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1908946][B]In a way T'Challa's religion almost has to be a sort of pseudo Egyptian thing because they worship an Egyptian god.[/B]
Perhaps what's behind the rebellion is some sort of local african god or something angry that an egyptian god has been muscling in on their territory for so long.[/QUOTE]
Every time someone reminds of that a shudder goes down my spine. Native or nothing, IMO!
Edit: Also cheers guys.
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[QUOTE=robreedwrites;1908931]From Coates' [URL="https://twitter.com/tanehisicoates"]Twitter[/URL]:[/QUOTE]
That guy really just schooled Coates. I think Coates is taking much too realistic a view on comics. Too many whys in a world where half the heros can fly because "reasons". The Dora's are cool. Black amazons that protect the king. They aren't the only fighting force the throne has so it's ok. It's just tradition. If his goal is to remove tradition for a more westernized palate then that's a major issue for a character like Black Panther who is supposed to not bend to such a thing as that's what makes him unique. I can tell there will be some form of democracy by the end of this run in Wakanda which is fine and dandy for the US but not for a nation of warriors and kings in comics. It's like asking why men aren't on the amazonion isle of Wonder Woman and just adding some because it makes real world sense.
As for Shuri,
The preview states that T'challa (even though going back before the incursions couldn't stop everything. The Flood still happened (at which point Shuri was queen), T'challa was still KOTD as shown when talking to the kids, and The Thanos invasion still happened at which point Shuri was still killed. So it wasn't an "I'm going back in time and erasing Shuri thing from T'challa's standpoint. She was alive and well during the time hop and was just killed in the Thanos invasion.
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I feel so opposite from everyone here. I'm excited about what Coates is saying about his run and I'm less and less enthused about Panther's debut in CA: CW.
I feel Coates is looking at making sensible alterations to the more troubling parts of BP's story. Nothing so far sounds off-base.
As for the movie, I don't like the idea of it being in the same ol' Marvel Cinematic style. ie: Cracking jokes when the world is near its end. It lessens the impact of what's going on to me. Coogler is the only bright spot I see ahead. My hope being that he'll be able to break away from that house style that's in all their movies.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1908949]Generally speaking I don't think creative people do themselves any favors by engaging their critics on social media. I think 99% of the time you're better off just allowing your work to speak for you.
Not that his responses were necessarily bad, but the fact that he even needs to defend his opinions before the book is out is an indicator of weakness. At least defend it AFTER the book comes out.[/QUOTE]
Defending it after doesn't seem to work either.
ex: Snyder lol
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[QUOTE=MrHashasheen;1908965]Every time someone reminds of that a shudder goes down my spine. Native or nothing, IMO!
Edit: Also cheers guys.[/QUOTE]
Well, if a given writer ever wanted the Wakandans to show Bast the back door in favor or a more native god, now might be the time as I suspect Basts approval rating lately has been kinda low given her minimal role in Wakanda's lastest string of set backs. Maybe they might wanna trade up.
That said, given that Bast is literally the source of T'Challa's powers I'm not sure they'd want to change the BP mythos that much.
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New Thread Slogan?
Seeing as T'Challa is getting his own fresh new series hitting stands next week with lots of good buzz and a prestigious creative team behind it, do you guys think it may be the right time to slap a new name on this thread? Or have you grown accustomed and fond of the What Giants Do era of BP Appreciation? Lemme know.
Taking suggestions. Vote, Wakanda!
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[QUOTE=Ekie;1908974]That guy really just schooled Coates. I think Coates is taking much too realistic a view on comics. Too many whys in a world where half the heros can fly because "reasons". The Dora's are cool. Black amazons that protect the king. They aren't the only fighting force the throne has so it's ok. It's just tradition. If his goal is to remove tradition for a more westernized palate then that's a major issue for a character like Black Panther who is supposed to not bend to such a thing as that's what makes him unique. I can tell there will be some form of democracy by the end of this run in Wakanda which is fine and dandy for the US but not for a nation of warriors and kings in comics. It's like asking why men aren't on the amazonion isle of Wonder Woman and just adding some because it makes real world sense. [/quote]
I agree with this. At its surface anyway. [quote]
As for Shuri,
The preview states that T'challa (even though going back before the incursions couldn't stop everything. The Flood still happened (at which point Shuri was queen), T'challa was still KOTD as shown when talking to the kids, and The Thanos invasion still happened at which point Shuri was still killed. So it wasn't an "I'm going back in time and erasing Shuri thing from T'challa's standpoint. She was alive and well during the time hop and was just killed in the Thanos invasion.[/QUOTE]
Shuri didn't die in the original Thanos invasion or the second wave. And judging from the final scene in SW, T'challa is already King at the point where the red shirt kids are. They say "my king" and he says yes... that should all predate any Thanos invasion at all.
and Shuri didn't die until she suicided after Wakanda was already gone
Marvel wanted not clarifying the stupid ass ending of SW is so weird.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1908946]In a way T'Challa's religion almost has to be a sort of pseudo Egyptian thing because they worship an Egyptian god.[/QUOTE]
In my head, that's a recent thing. I may be wrong. It's not like I haven't forgotten stuff before. But, it seems like it's been traditionally, "the Panther God."
Of course, Daimon Hellstrom used to be "The Son of Satan," before he was the Son of Satannish, wait no, the Son of Marduk, no no, sorry, the Son of Dormammu.
All them gods are frauds or fools if you want them to be.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1908988]Shuri didn't die in the original Thanos invasion or the second wave.
She didn't die until she suicided after Wakanda was already gone[/QUOTE]
I'm just saying that maybe something went differently there then. The Thanos invasion still happened though at which point the writter says she died (during this altered version). T'challa has nothing to do with that, he saved her too when going back in time.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;1908974]That guy really just schooled Coates. I think Coates is taking much too realistic a view on comics. Too many whys in a world where half the heros can fly because "reasons". The Dora's are cool. Black amazons that protect the king. They aren't the only fighting force the throne has so it's ok. It's just tradition. If his goal is to remove tradition for a more westernized palate then that's a major issue for a character like Black Panther who is supposed to not bend to such a thing as that's what makes him unique. I can tell there will be some form of democracy by the end of this run in Wakanda which is fine and dandy for the US but not for a nation of warriors and kings in comics. It's like asking why men aren't on the amazonion isle of Wonder Woman and just adding some because it makes real world sense.
As for Shuri,
The preview states that T'challa (even though going back before the incursions couldn't stop everything. The Flood still happened (at which point Shuri was queen), T'challa was still KOTD as shown when talking to the kids, and The Thanos invasion still happened at which point Shuri was still killed. So it wasn't an "I'm going back in time and erasing Shuri thing from T'challa's standpoint. She was alive and well during the time hop and was just killed in the Thanos invasion.[/QUOTE]
I think the idea is less that he's taking up a more westernized view but rather a more modernized one. Most cultures started off as nations of warriors and kings before evolving into something with greater representation, because it's just human nature that people would want to have some degree of say in how they are governed. There are reasons a monarchy is considered an out-dated model of government.
That said, I don't believe they'll get rid of the monarchy. I think marvel still wants T'Challa to go around sitting on a throne and calling himself a king. I think Coates just wants to add some realism to Wakanda, to help the perception that it's the most advanced nation on the planet.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;1908996]I'm just saying that maybe something went differently there then. The Thanos invasion still happened though at which point the writter says she died (during this altered version). T'challa has nothing to do with that, he saved her too when going back in time.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't fit though with T'challa being King again when he re-meets the redshirt Wakanda kids. The preview said he took the crown after Shuri died... but if all that stuff still happened post reality change, then Tchalla woulda been king already, not shuri
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I wouldn't mind if Coates retconned Bast back to just the Panther god.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1908999]I think the idea is less that he's taking up a more westernized view but rather a more modernized one. Most cultures started off as nations of warriors and kings before evolving into something with greater representation, because it's just human nature that people would want to have some degree of say in how they are governed. There are reasons a monarchy is considered an out-dated model of government.
That said, I don't believe they'll get rid of the monarchy. I think marvel still wants T'Challa to go around sitting on a throne and calling himself a king. I think Coates just wants to add some realism to Wakanda, to help the perception that it's the most advanced nation on the planet.[/QUOTE]
Its the most advanced nation on the COMIC BOOK planet. Which is think is a huge ass distinction.
I don't want T'challa watered down to boring Nighthawk with a better costume.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1908941]I could just be in a jaded mood right now because its early and my work peeps are driving me insane, but this does nothing to help me trepidation at all.[/QUOTE]
The first time we see what goes into choosing the Doras its during a flashback in the Priest run when Nakia is taken from her home as a little kid, brought before T'challa who then tells her that she is now under his protections. After that is a flashforward where Nakia and Omore (as slightly older kids) are gossiping about T'challa and Monica. By this time Nakia is ALREADY in Stalker With A Crush mode.
And of course the art presented the fully trained but still underaged Doras looking like En Vogue (but with guns), because 90's artist.
So Wakanda for reasons of tradition was recruiting preteen girls to present to T'Challa. It's not like they volunteered. They were intended to be wives. T'challa turned them into bodyguard/functionaries (since he couldn't sent them back).
Either way you are looking at stituation where the conscripted hot chick harem was repurposed into a conscripted hot chick personal guard (or private army from the sheer numbers of Doras we see later in Mayberry's run).
You could have gotten away with the implications of this in 2000 when Tumblr wasn't around but now? I'm not [B]surprised[/B] that Coles is iffy on this.
How is that supposed to play with a prospective female readership?
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[QUOTE=Ekie;1908996]I'm just saying that maybe something went differently there then. The Thanos invasion still happened though at which point the writter says she died (during this altered version). T'challa has nothing to do with that, he saved her too when going back in time.[/QUOTE]
The Thanos invasion happened again? when? I haven't seen it mentioned in other books.
Last we see Thanos, he was somewhere in space, far, far away, by himself.
And T'Challa was already King at the end of SW. When the Wakandan youth address him as King, he doesn't correct them this time around, he simply says "yes."
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1908941]I could just be in a jaded mood right now because its early and my work peeps are driving me insane, but this does nothing to help me trepidation at all.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
They are supposed to be different and not like Americans, or other Africans. I'm taking about Wakanda.
In a video game called super robot wars, there is a all female body guard called the Troye guard. This is simply the body guard babe troupe. He's going super PC, for no reason.
I would have zero issues with the reverse. They are nothing more then Female Knights. Smh
We ALWAYS see all male body guards, aka KNIGHTS. smh.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1909003]Its the most advanced nation on the COMIC BOOK planet. Which is think is a huge ass distinction.
I don't want T'challa watered down to boring Nighthawk with a better costume.[/QUOTE]
I don't think this honestly waters down or effects T'Challa all that much either way. Whether Wakandans have some sort of democratically elected ruling council or not really doesn't effect T'Challa's ability to punch out bad guys. To him it's more background stuff.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;1909001]I wouldn't mind if Coates retconned Bast back to just the Panther god.[/QUOTE]
Do the wakandans pray to Bast or the Panther God? And do the BPs get their powers from Bast or the Panther God? Or are Bast and the Panther God one in the same?
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[QUOTE=Victor Freeman;1909012]Agreed.
They are supposed to be different and not like Americans, or other Africans. I'm taking about Wakanda.
In a video game called super robot wars, there is a all female body guard called the Troye guard. This is simply the body guard babe troupe. He's going super PC, for no reason.
I would have zero issues with the reverse. They are nothing more then Female Knights. Smh[/QUOTE]
It's not like he's getting rid of them though... just tweaking it.
And I can't entirely fault him for thinking the notion of 16 year old teenage girls acting as body guards/wives in training might need a bit of tweaking. It's sort of like Man Ape... it's a potential issue to some, but a bit of tweaking and it's probably just fine.
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;1908869]Has any character had a worse case of dying/vanishing supporting cast?[/QUOTE]
Black Panther is bad about it but he has nowhere near the level of fuckery Wonder Woman's cast has.