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[QUOTE=XPac;3743542]Yeah, I sometimes think people don't differentiate between not liking a character and simply not shipping a character.
You can like comic Nakia just fine, yet still be against a teenage psychopath dating Black Panther. Teenage psychopaths can be fun chacacters in and of themselves... they just don't necessarily make ideal love interests for an adult protagonist, that's all.
And of course comic Nakia is an entirely different thing from movie Nakia. So that's completely apples and oranges.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I can separate the two very well. And thank you for making this clear with a lot less words LOL.
Question for you. As a BP fan and understanding his past feats how do you think he could have defeated Adversary without seeking Ororo's help based upon previous showings such as with Mephisto and Logos? Do you think Shadow Physics could have been a viable solution with the knowledge we have of it currently?
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[url]https://www.avclub.com/the-dora-milaje-head-to-new-york-city-in-this-wakanda-f-1827047917[/url]
For some reason, Malice looks like Yzma (from [I]The Emperor's new Groove[/I]) now....
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3743551]Exactly. I can separate the two very well. And thank you for making this clear with a lot less words LOL.
Question for you. As a BP fan and understanding his past feats how do you think he could have defeated Adversary without seeking Ororo's help based upon previous showings such as with Mephisto and Logos? Do you think Shadow Physics could have been a viable solution with the knowledge we have of it currently?[/QUOTE]
Based on what we know about shadow physics, do I think that's a viable solution to the Adversary? IMO no... at least not based on what I've seen on panel. It seems to be a means of long distance teleportation, but I didn't see a whole lot of evidence in Doom War of it being any sort of functional weapon. It BARELY was a means of practical teleportation to be honest. Probably why we're seeing T'Challa largely rely on other means of teleportation at this point.
That said, because this is a comic book and we're talking about comic book science, in theory Coates could make up something if he really wanted too. Shadow physics hasn't been fleshed out too much, so there's room for Coates or whoever to make up something. But purely based on what we've seen on panel no... I can't say there's any real evidence that shadow physics is a viable weapon against Adversary, or anyone else for that matter. In a purely functional sense, Shadow physics was honestly a bit underwhelming.
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3742591]OOPS I dropped something...
[video=youtube;5FuJmHL0xag]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FuJmHL0xag[/video][/QUOTE]
I'm digging this post :cool:
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Oh, and I'm not sure I buy the premise of [I]Wakanda Forever[/I], as described in the preview.
"Even though we abandoned our duty to the throne and left the Golden City with all of our secrets, we're going after Malice for... abandoning her duty and stealing secrets."
:confused:
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3743495]Shadow physics in the past has allowed him to find vibraninum on a quantum level, create weapons that could be used against vibranium, and create a unstable teleportation device. Perhaps it could have been used but I still don't believe it would have been effective against a character like Adversary because physical means cannot harm him. Shadow physics is still based upon science as it relates to alchemy which is still a physical method of matter transformation and not something of the spirit or divine. This was something Adversary kept hammering home to Forge in X-factor.
Actually, Adversary is [U][B]not[/B][/U] an omniversal menace just a universal one, and yes Coates canonized that O'roro could defeat him which explains why he feared her so many years ago during the Uncanny issue.
I never said T'challa is nothing. So because I understand a character's limits (in this case T'challa) that somehow means I am reducing him to nothing? Do you see the ridiculousness in your assertion? You claim that Coates has sullied the Wakandan mythos by having O'roro defeat adversary instead of T'challa, but even with T'challa's high end feats he didn't win it alone. With Logos, he had the help of Tiger God and with Mephisto he had help of his ancestors' souls. So why is there a double standard here that he sought the help of his ex-wife to defeat Adversary?
Goddess. Relax. Me correcting false statements about a [B][U]metal box[/U][/B] beating able to defeat Adversary, or the incorrect notion Storm was always [U][B]just a mutant[/B][/U] is not my attempt to glorify characters over T'challa. It is to correct misinformation. If you can seriously argue that a metal box can beat Adversary then you simply don't understand Adversary as a character or the capability of his power (which a lot is still very unknown about him).
And so what? You can't think of a post where I actually appreciate T'challa? Doesn't mean I don't or haven't, and I certainly have NOTHING to prove to you. I appreciate T'challa for being a strategist who can get ish done even when the odds are stacked against him. I'm not going to type on this keyboard making ridiculous claims of him being able to beat characters like the One Above All, or Roma, or other multiversal/universal threats on his own simply because it's his appreciation thread. All of his high-end showings required him using his cunning and strategic mind to win; he understood his opponent and the tools he needed to defeat them. He didn't do it all on his own. This wasn't the case with Logos, or with Mephisto and if you don't like me pointing out this truth, as I told another poster it's not my problem.
Lastly, if you don't want to talk about Storm then don't bring up her and what Coates is doing with her in the [U][B]CURRENT[/B][/U] BP books. I'm not the one crying every day, time and time again, about how Coates is the worst thing since Ebola because Storm beat Adversary instead of BP, and how he support gets more shine in his book than BP. Like seriously, you want to get on this high-horse and talk condescendingly about this being an appreciation thread but is all this moaning and groaning I see posters do here (including you) really an appreciation of the things Tchalla is doing because it doesn't sound like it to me. All in all, keep the conversation on T'challa and appreciate him if you don't want the discussion to go in direction of O'roro.
I never called T'challa a mary sue. I asked a question to a poster would him beating certain characters who are leaps and leaps beyond him in power be perceived as him being one. And he did find a way to beat Adversary. He found a way with his ex-wife's help and that of the Wakandan mystics. T'challa can do anything he wants against high-tier characters when he has certain boosts, such as the infinity gauntlet as you mentioned when he fought god Doom; however, in the case of Adversary all he had was his technology and even the mystics that he went to power were not enough to destroy or counter the Adversary's power. He therefore sought the help of someone who had a power who exceeded his own (just as he did when he went to the Tiger God for his fight against Logos) to beat Adversary. I don't see you and others getting up in arms about Tchalla needing the Tiger God's help, so why is it such a crime that he went to O'roro in this instance when he knew the power that was within her? It just seems like a huge double standard and frankly if you and others here are honest, the issue you have is that it was Ororo. That is the problem and trying to make it anything other than that is simply not factually sound.
T'challa used his knowledge that Mephisto couldn't read minds to trick him into wanting his soul, because he knew that his soul was tethered to the many Wakandan ancestors of the past. Yes it was his genius/mind that allowed him to win (he understood the limitation of Mephisto power's), but had he not had the souls of this ancestors he would not have been able to overcome Mephisto. That is fact and that is from BP issue 4 (1998). I just read it last night.
I never said I hated Nakia. In fact I liked the movie and I enjoyed Nakia very much in it. Now if we are talking about the comics and who should be with Tchalla, then I would make the argument it shouldn't be her because she tried to kill him. That said, doesn't mean I hate the character simply I don't think she is the one for Tchalla.[/QUOTE]
[B]So basically what this comes down to is that you come in here, claim to have a better understanding of Tchallas limits then actual BP enthusiast despite having a limited knowledge of his history, then try to spout that he doesn't have aby feats high enough to beat adversary, yet there have been several posters that have debunked this claim yet you continue to argue.. and yes I'm not up in arms about him using the together god because he fought the tiger god, took his power for his own and split Logos head in two. And with Mephisto it was more to it then simply overloading him with the souls of his anscestors, if you reread everything leading up to it, Tchalla out prep abd outsmarted Mephisto and stacked the deck in his favor using his own resources or in Ultimates case, forcefully taking a gods power, an actual god, and notice how at the end of Ultimates he had the tiger god in what appears to be a pokeball like sphere. But we don't know his limits apparently, so please continue to educate us on what he can or can't do:cool: [/B]
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3743588][url]https://www.avclub.com/the-dora-milaje-head-to-new-york-city-in-this-wakanda-f-1827047917[/url]
For some reason, Malice looks like Yzma (from [I]The Emperor's new Groove[/I]) now....[/QUOTE]
Looks like she got hooked on meth between the annual and now.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3743596]Based on what we know about shadow physics, do I think that's a viable solution to the Adversary? IMO no... at least not based on what I've seen on panel. It seems to be a means of long distance teleportation, but I didn't see a whole lot of evidence in Doom War of it being any sort of functional weapon. It BARELY was a means of practical teleportation to be honest. Probably why we're seeing T'Challa largely rely on other means of teleportation at this point.
That said, because this is a comic book and we're talking about comic book science, in theory Coates could make up something if he really wanted too. Shadow physics hasn't been fleshed out too much, so there's room for Coates or whoever to make up something. But purely based on what we've seen on panel no... I can't say there's any real evidence that shadow physics is a viable weapon against Adversary, or anyone else for that matter. In a purely functional sense, Shadow physics was honestly a bit underwhelming.[/QUOTE]
I agree with all your points. I think it would be cool to see it further explored the whole shadow physics thing but the reasons you pointed to is solely my reason for why I dont think it would work as it has been explained thus far. they would need to do a bit more with it to be a viable option in combat.
where do you want to see coates take BP and what upgrades if any would you like to see him get or what of his abilities that he possess would you like to see more of in the current arc?
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3743624][B]So basically what this comes down to is that you come in here, claim to have a better understanding of Tchallas limits then actual BP enthusiast despite having a limited knowledge of his history, then try to spout that he doesn't have aby feats high enough to beat adversary, yet there have been several posters that have debunked this claim yet you continue to argue.. and yes I'm not up in arms about him using the together god because he fought the tiger god, took his power for his own and split Logos head in two. And with Mephisto it was more to it then simply overloading him with the souls of his anscestors, if you reread everything leading up to it, Tchalla out prep abd outsmarted Mephisto and stacked the deck in his favor using his own resources or in Ultimates case, forcefully taking a gods power, an actual god, and notice how at the end of Ultimates he had the tiger god in what appears to be a pokeball like sphere. But we don't know his limits apparently, so please continue to educate us on what he can or can't do:cool: [/B][/QUOTE]
lets move on beloved. it's clear we disagree on what tchallas abilities and limits are. we can agree to disagree without it being contentious yes? I havent seen any points made thus far that would support tchalla being able to defeat adversary with his tech alone and I think the way coates handled the wakandans defeating adversary was very much in alignment to adversary's abilities as demonstrated in uncanny xmen and xfactor years ago.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3742993][B] Actually people did post scans about this some odd Page's ago when it was first brought up, as well as went into a detailed breakdown of how he beat Mephisto. So "lololol" it was already explained and it shows Tchallas genius in using HIS OWN RESOURCES to defeat Mephisto. This little game your trying to play is beyond old[/B][/QUOTE]
I don't know about it being a "game."
To me, it's pure trolling at this point.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742729]you can only use feats in canon to establish the baseline of what a character could do. you cant assert things without any evidence from canon to support your theories. magneto is not an omega level mutant, tchalla beat mephisto by overwhelming him with his ancestors' souls, silver surfer is not a universal threat nor a divine creature, and tiger god and tchslla beating him is the best example of him being capable of winning against adversary, but it wasnt shown how he beat him so you cant say because he beat him he could do the same to adversary. I think with shadow physics and being king of the dead he can do awesome stuff, but to defeat adversary a character who captured roma, I'm sorry tchalla just doesnt compare with that. unless you introduce pis.
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Yeah you need to read the whole story before speaking on such things
T'Challa beat Mephisto TWICE. First on Earth and then in Mephisto's dimension (which you posted). He defeated him on Earth (by punching him once and then ripping out his heart) which meant he would have to go back to his pocket realm. T'Challa followed and challenged him in that realm specifically to cut him off as a source of power for Achebe. The point: T'Challa vs. Mephisto showed the physical, intellectual and mystical prowess of the Black Panther. IMO it also highlighted how he is a hero different from other heroes. While he is the main focus, as Black Panther he is a "WE" or in other terms, he represents the collective strength and will of his people. This is a very intriguing concept that portrays him culturally as a African hero. Since Storm is NOT his wife, she is an outsider, and her help continues this sense of USAID charity that Wakanda has been relying on as of recent.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3743633]I agree with all your points. I think it would be cool to see it further explored the whole shadow physics thing but the reasons you pointed to is solely my reason for why I dont think it would work as it has been explained thus far. they would need to do a bit more with it to be a viable option in combat.
where do you want to see coates take BP and what upgrades if any would you like to see him get or what of his abilities that he possess would you like to see more of in the current arc?[/QUOTE]
The talk about Coates giving T’Challa any kind of upgrade is pointless because he’s proven time and again that he could give fuck all about this character and will keep dragging him through the mud until Marvel gives him that X-Men title he so desperately wants to write. In other words, he’s never gonna do it.
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[QUOTE=Yaw;3743661]Yeah you need to read the whole story before speaking on such things
T'Challa beat Mephisto TWICE. First on Earth and then in Mephisto's dimension (which you posted). He defeated him on Earth (by punching him once and then ripping out his heart) which meant he would have to go back to his pocket realm. T'Challa followed and challenged him in that realm specifically to cut him off as a source of power for Achebe. The point: T'Challa vs. Mephisto showed the physical, intellectual and mystical prowess of the Black Panther. IMO it also highlighted how he is a hero different from other heroes. While he is the main focus, as Black Panther he is a "WE" or in other terms, he represents the collective strength and will of his people. This is a very intriguing concept that portrays him culturally as a African hero. Since Storm is NOT his wife, she is an outsider, and her help continues this sense of USAID charity that Wakanda has been relying on as of recent.[/QUOTE]
I read issue 4 where he stabbed him but the battle wasnt done and he was transported to Mephisto realm where he would then defeat him in issue 5 with the scans I posted. in issue 4 tchalla entourage knew the frequency to cut the source of power to mephisto from his dimension as he resides in limbo/hell. by cutting him of his source of power he was then able to defeat him. This is why I argue now mephisto isnt a universal threat as his power is tied to the souls of humans who end up in his realm which is tied to earth. This issue did most definitely highlight his resourcefulness but even in defeating him on earth the job was not done. He had to go to his dimension to finish him off and defeating him there required the souls of his ancestor to win.
Against adversary that wouldnt work as he is a chaos demon who doesn't have a realm or dimension he resides over that gives him power. He thrives off chaos and disorder and it is one of the reasons Roma stated he cannot be destroyed because life relies on change and change is brought about through chaos. So where life exists, chaos aka Adversary will always be.
I respectfully disagree that Ororo is an outsider at this point especially seeing she was once queen of this nation. She is uniquely tied to wakanda that concluding she is an outsider wouldnt be accurate.
lastly you are charging that I read the stories before speaking on things but are you and others reading the stories about adversary before asserting how tchalla can defeat him? again the double standard here is mind boggling.
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[QUOTE=BlackClaw;3743674]The talk about Coates giving T’Challa any kind of upgrade is pointless because he’s proven time and again that he could give fuck all about this character and will keep dragging him through the mud until Marvel gives him that X-Men title he so desperately wants to write. In other words, he’s never gonna do it.[/QUOTE]
that's where I disagree. as I mentioned previously I think posters who are ready to see coates off panther should be patient and let him continue his story. I think him putting him in space where he lost his memories is really going to push him to new heights. issue one is evidence of this with how easily he was able to fight against an alien race of warriors and patrolmen without having any knowledge of the planet.
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I just read Black Panther 1 and a little confused.it seems to start in the middle of the story was it continued from the last serers
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[QUOTE=fin5;3743697]I just read Black Panther 1 and a little confused.it seems to start in the middle of the story was it continued from the last serers[/QUOTE]
yea the issue starts with tchalla being contained by means the reader is not aware of. there has been some lapse of time between the heroes fighting adversary and tchalla waking up in an intergalactic prison. as the series progresses I'm certain we will figure out the how and why tchalla ended up where he is.
did u enjoy the issue?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3743633]I agree with all your points. I think it would be cool to see it further explored the whole shadow physics thing but the reasons you pointed to is solely my reason for why I dont think it would work as it has been explained thus far. they would need to do a bit more with it to be a viable option in combat.
where do you want to see coates take BP and what upgrades if any would you like to see him get or what of his abilities that he possess would you like to see more of in the current arc?[/QUOTE]
I'm sort of curious about the spirit staff he uses. Coates hasn't really explained what that is or how it really works. Though I don't imagine he'll be exploring that too much in the present arc.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3743588][url]https://www.avclub.com/the-dora-milaje-head-to-new-york-city-in-this-wakanda-f-1827047917[/url]
For some reason, Malice looks like Yzma (from [I]The Emperor's new Groove[/I]) now....[/QUOTE]
[B]Your right Lol thsts exactly what cane to mind.. a young Yzma.. Gross, what have they dkbe to poor Nakia[/B]
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[QUOTE=XPac;3743829]I'm sort of curious about the spirit staff he uses. Coates hasn't really explained what that is or how it really works. Though I don't imagine he'll be exploring that too much in the present arc.[/QUOTE]
hmm I thought his soul staff was tied to his king of the dead abilities. with him forgetting who he is I would be inclined to think you are right about its use. I liked his soul searching/awareness he displayed when he was tracking that one character who was kidnapped (cant think of her name now). I'm wondering if this too is tied to his king of dead abilities.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3743645]lets move on beloved. it's clear we disagree on what tchallas abilities and limits are. we can agree to disagree without it being contentious yes? I havent seen any points made thus far that would support tchalla being able to defeat adversary with his tech alone and I think the way coates handled the wakandans defeating adversary was very much in alignment to adversary's abilities as demonstrated in uncanny xmen and xfactor years ago.[/QUOTE]
[B] Clearly it's all gone over your head. Just like last tine a couple weeks back you tried to argue his supposed "limits" it's been broken doe. Tchallas high end feats against beings like Galactus, Thanos anf logos, etc. So you can continue to drink up Coates Kool aid and believe Tchalla cabt handle a threat like adversary without needing to pray to storm and use his own resources and nation to stop him.
I Also find it funny you keep saying that how T'Challa defeated Mephisto wouldn't work on adversary as if people here were saying he would use that exact same strategy (they weren't) when what wad being said is that he outsmarted Mephisto and has outsmarted Galactus and so he could most certainly use that same genius and prep to outsmart adversary and do so without having his nation pray to an outsider to save them
Peace[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3743887][B] Clearly it's all gone over your head. Just like last tine a couple weeks back you tried to argue his supposed "limits" it's been broken doe. Tchallas high end feats against beings like Galactus, Thanos anf logos, etc. So you can continue to drink up Coates Kool aid and believe Tchalla cabt handle a threat like adversary without needing to pray to storm and use his own resources and nation to stop him.
I Also find it funny you keep saying that how T'Challa defeated Mephisto wouldn't work on adversary as if people here were saying he would use that exact same strategy (they weren't) when what wad being said is that he outsmarted Mephisto and has outsmarted Galactus and so he could most certainly use that same genius and prep to outsmart adversary and do so without having his nation pray to an outsider to save them
Peace[/B][/QUOTE]
LOLOL.... so agreeing to disagree was too much to ask I see.
I am looking at what Tchalla has done based upon his high-end displays to defeat gods or god-like creatures against Adversary's abilities to conclude Tchalla has not demonstrated from his past showings he could defeat adversary.
Tchalla was able to do the following high end feats (if I missed any please let me know):
*Defeated Logos with Tiger God (How: Fought against Logos on astral plane where the metaphor of Tchalla being King weighed more in terms of power than what Logos was on the plane, which was law. Being a king >>>>> law).
*Defeated Mephisto on Earth (How: Cut Mephisto off from his source of power which was Limbo/Hell, ripped his heart out)
*Defeated Mephisto in Limbo/Hell (How: Tchalla's soul and ancestors overpowered Mephisto reservoir needed to contain them)
*Defeated God Doom (How: Used Infinity Gauntlet, per your explanation I havent read this for myself so taking your word)
*Defeated Tiger God: (How: Unknown)
I get the point you are making. You are saying that if he was smart of enough to outsmart Mephisto he should be able to do the same against Adversary. So my question is to you how would he be able to do that against Adversary, that is outsmart him? Once he did what would Tchalla follow that up with? I have seen people say put him in a metal box, shadow physics, and even use the tiger god again (which only worked in the Tchalla's favor in that plane because of the idea of metaphors there is no evidence said power could be replicated on earth against another God). But based upon what he has done in the past how could he outsmart him or use his tech to contain a creature like Adversary because none of the methods he used to beat other characters would work as some of those tools he used in previous battles he doesn't even have access to (such as the Infinity Gauntlet)?
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Are we appreciating this...
[video=youtube;fe32Iag9RCQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe32Iag9RCQ[/video]
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Or this...
[video=youtube;sgX_StgXGF0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgX_StgXGF0[/video]
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3744142]Or this...
[video=youtube;sgX_StgXGF0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgX_StgXGF0[/video][/QUOTE]
I will definitely go with this foxmen are trash!!!!
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[I]Just a quick question, sorry if this is stepping on anyone's toes /but still new to the rules/.
Is it possible to have a separate thread like; 'Storm vs Black Panther', or something of that nature? That way, this thread can just be a T'Challa Appreciation thread please.
I enjoy reading posts about BP, but all this other stuff gives me a headache and its hard to sort through all of it to get to the posts that talk about the hero I came here to read about. Again, no offense on purpose, I just think there are enough pages here of debate, that the "BP/Storm War" could have its very own thread for the rest of you to enjoy. :)[/I]
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3744158][I]Just a quick question, sorry if this is stepping on anyone's toes /but still new to the rules/.
Is it possible to have a separate thread like; 'Storm vs Black Panther', or something of that nature? That way, this thread can just be a T'Challa Appreciation thread please.
I enjoy reading posts about BP, but all this other stuff gives me a headache and its hard to sort through all of it to get to the posts that talk about the hero I came here to read about. Again, no offense on purpose, I just think there are enough pages here of debate, that the "BP/Storm War" could have its very own thread for the rest of you to enjoy. :)[/I][/QUOTE]
[URL="http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?3630-Storm-and-Black-Panther-Appreciation-Eternal-Love&highlight=marriage"]You mean something like this?[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3744158][I]Just a quick question, sorry if this is stepping on anyone's toes /but still new to the rules/.
Is it possible to have a separate thread like; 'Storm vs Black Panther', or something of that nature? That way, this thread can just be a T'Challa Appreciation thread please.
I enjoy reading posts about BP, but all this other stuff gives me a headache and its hard to sort through all of it to get to the posts that talk about the hero I came here to read about. Again, no offense on purpose, I just think there are enough pages here of debate, that the "BP/Storm War" could have its very own thread for the rest of you to enjoy. :)[/I][/QUOTE]
hi there. I know you are not intending on stepping on ties but I don't think your request is a realistic one. can you talk about tchalla without talking about shuri or wakanda? I dont think so. ororo is his current girlfriend so unfortunately I don't think its realistic to expect her not to be mentioned. also, if many of the self professed BP fans would stop warring against coates and ororo and actually appreciate tchalla I think you would get less of the storm/BP wars you speak of. just my two cents.
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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;3744175][URL="http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?3630-Storm-and-Black-Panther-Appreciation-Eternal-Love&highlight=marriage"]You mean something like this?[/URL][/QUOTE]
[I]Yes! I had not seen that.[/I]
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3744183][I]Yes! I had not seen that.[/I][/QUOTE]
Its buried, hasn't had a post since May 26th. A post by, the same person telling you its impossible that such a thread would exist.
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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;3744175][URL="http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?3630-Storm-and-Black-Panther-Appreciation-Eternal-Love&highlight=marriage"]You mean something like this?[/URL][/QUOTE]
That's what I was about to say. That's the perfect thread to talk about Storm and BP and leave this one to BP.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3744176]hi there. I know you are not intending on stepping on ties but I don't think your request is a realistic one. can you talk about tchalla withiut talking about shuri or wakanda? I dont think so. ororo is his current girlfriend so unfortunately I don't think its realistic to expect her not to be mentioned. also, if many of the self professed BP fans would stop warring against coates and ororo I think you would get less of the storm/BP wars you speak of. just my two cents.[/QUOTE]
[I]I am not meaning to say "not talk about Ororo", I just wish there wasn't so much arguing about the characters /it comes across as hostile on both sides/. Maybe, it could go on the other thread /linked above/, that seems like a perfect place.
I guess the fault is mine; I will try not to complain in the future and just let all of the more knowledgeable fans like yourself duke it out with the others. Good Luck!![/I]
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3744158][I]Just a quick question, sorry if this is stepping on anyone's toes /but still new to the rules/.
Is it possible to have a separate thread like; 'Storm vs Black Panther', or something of that nature? That way, this thread can just be a T'Challa Appreciation thread please.
I enjoy reading posts about BP, but all this other stuff gives me a headache and its hard to sort through all of it to get to the posts that talk about the hero I came here to read about. Again, no offense on purpose, I just think there are enough pages here of debate, that the "BP/Storm War" could have its very own thread for the rest of you to enjoy. :)[/I][/QUOTE]
[B] Your Right Mantis Dad this had gone on too long and I apologize for indulging in it as well. It has taken at least the last 10 pages.
Question for you, have you finished up all of Hudlins run? Also have you looked into picking up David Liss BP run? The premise is kinda dumb for why Tchalla is where he is at but it's a good read.[/B]
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3744189][I]I am not meaning to say "not talk about Ororo", I just wish there wasn't so much arguing about the characters /it comes across as hostile on both sides/. Maybe, it could go on the other thread /linked above/, that seems like a perfect place.
I guess the fault is mine; I will try not to complain in the future and just let all of the more knowledgeable fans like yourself duke it out with the others. Good Luck!![/I][/QUOTE]
thank you for the clarification. yea dont think it's necessary to stop discussing her all together but I'm with you I would love to come here and not see the constant coates/storm bashing. it is quite old and tired. that said, I dont ever intend to be hostile in my responses so if it came off like that my apologies. as I mentioned before I never come here intending to go on rants (especially not about ororo) but when I see a lot of misinformation about the xmen lore as it pertains to Coates last arc i like to correct those misconceptions. I will go back to what i have been doing, providing input as I see fit, posting about the movie, and areas where I think tchalla comes off badass but I'm almost willing to bet (as even evident on the previous page) self professed bp fans who hate coates/storm/storm fans will find a way to pivot the conversation back to her and when posters like myself come in and set the record straight these same posters who brought her up will cry why arent we appreciating tchalla. it's quite nonsensical and it's a double standard because as long as these comments denigrate coates or storm, people are fine. but I'm not for bullying or shaming and I will call people out on the bs.
fyi that link is an appreciation of their love so that wouldnt be the appropriate place either for what I have seen here. but I will try do better as well until someone brings her up again lol. thanks for being cordial and respectful. :)
that said, as I mentioned to pac, what upgrades or new things would you like to see of BP in the new arc? and did you like issue 1?
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3744208][B] Your Right Mantis Dad this had gone on too long and I apologize for indulging in it as well. It has taken at least the last 10 pages.
Question for you, have you finished up all of Hudlins run? Also have you looked into picking up David Liss BP run? The premise is kinda dumb for why Tchalla is where he is at but it's a good read.[/B][/QUOTE]
[I]Hi,
My Hudlin book is at my work and I only get a chance to read it on my breaks or lunch. I am up to the part where T'Challa is in a coma, and Shuri had to kick some butt. I was swamped the last couple of days so did not get to catch up further yet. I will try Liss' books next, if that is the reading order. Mostly at home, I have been reading my IM omnibus #1 that I had never read. I hope to get back to T'Challa soon.
After all these debates, I am almost scared to read the arc about this Advasary (sp) person LOL.[/I]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3744212]thank you for the clarification. yea dont think it's necessary to stop disclosing her all together but I'm with you I would love to come here and not see the constant coates/storm bashing. it is quite old and tired. that said, I dont ever intend to be hostile in my responses so if it came off like that my apologies. as I mentioned before I never come here intending to go on rants (especially not about ororo) but when I see a lot of misinformation about the xmen lore as it pertains to Coates last arc i like to correct those misconceptions. I will go back to what i have been doing, providing input as I see fit, posting about the movie, and areas where I think tchalla comes off badass but I'm almost willing to bet (as even evident on the previous page) self professed bp fans who hate coates/storm/storm fans will find a way to pivot the conversation back to her and when posters like myself come in and set the record straight people want to talk about why arent we appreciating tchalla. it's quite nonsensical and it's a double standard because as long as there is denigrating comments about coates or storm people are fine. but I'm not for bullying or shaming and I will call people out on the bs.
fyi that link is an appreciation of their love so that wouldnt be the appropriate place either for what I have seen here. but I will try do better as well until someone brings her up again lol. thanks for being cordial and respectful. :)
that said, as I mentioned to pac, what upgrades or new things would you like to see of BP in the new arc? and did you like issue 1?[/QUOTE]
[I]Thankyou. I did like issue 1, because I know nothing of Coates besides this issue. Seems like a sci-fi mystery, and I am excited to read more of it and give him /the writer/, the benefit of the doubt. I just say to my self; "WWCPD"?
If Christopher P. gave credit to this writer, maybe I should give him a chance.[/I]
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3744217][I]Hi,
My Hudlin book is at my work and I only get a chance to read it on my breaks or lunch. I am up to the part where T'Challa is in a coma, and Shuri had to kick some butt. I was swamped the last couple of days so did not get to catch up further yet. I will try Liss' books next, if that is the reading order. Mostly at home, I have been reading my IM omnibus #1 that I had never read. I hope to get back to T'Challa soon.
After all these debates, I am almost scared to read the arc about this Advasary (sp) person LOL.[/I][/QUOTE]
dont be scared beloved. hudlin did good with introducing shuri and in a way where it seemed like she was always a part of his mythos, he also handled tchalla well. I think you will like coates' work. at times it can be wordy but he has put a lot of thought into his story so try not let opinions here on either side affect you when you get to his issues and try to have an open mind. I think at least coates tchalla was very thoughtful in terms of his place and role in wakanda that is very progressive, and he shows tchalla as being the nexus and brain behind all the moving parts within wakanda. I think you will like it and cant wait to hear ur thoughts!
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3744222][I]Thankyou. I did like issue 1, because I know nothing of Coates besides this issue. Seems like a sci-fi mystery, and I am excited to read more of it and give him /the writer/, the benefit of the doubt. I just say to my self; "WWCPD"?
If Christopher P. gave credit to this writer, maybe I should give him a chance.[/I][/QUOTE]
I will admit this reads a bit different from what his previous bpbook but that was most certainly by design. Tchalla in the previous book had a lot he felt he needed to redeem himself for. I dont want to spoil anything but based upon things that happened leading up to coates work, I think the direction he took tchalla made the most sense. it was a story of redemption of sorts with him figuring out the type of man he wanted to be not only as leader of wakanda but as a man in general. but as you mentioned I loved the scifi elements of issue 1. for some reason I get star war feels lol.
yea. people have their reasons for loving coates and hating him but I think you being a new reader deserve the right to develop your own opinions through your experiences and feelings you have as you read these stories. I think that is the best approach and attitude to have.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3744176]hi there. I know you are not intending on stepping on ties but I don't think your request is a realistic one. [B]can you talk about tchalla without talking about shuri or wakanda? [/B] I dont think so. ororo is his current girlfriend so unfortunately I don't think its realistic to expect her not to be mentioned. [/QUOTE]
Shuri & Wakanda are not OWNED by another franchise. So they are 100% part of his franchise. So if anyone wanted to do something with them beyond comics-they don't have to deal with that other office.
Where disrespect to the King is expected. Where they don't even bother to acknowledge what is done in this book for the most part.
[QUOTE]also, if many of the self professed BP fans would stop warring against coates and ororo and actually appreciate tchalla I think you would get less of the storm/BP wars you speak of. just my two cents.[/QUOTE]
Me keeping my MONEY in my pocket and not supporting this book is appreciating Black Panther. Since he doesn't have his own book for some reason.
Because at the END Black Panther has 2 movies, 1 short lived tv show, 190+ solo issues, 50+ trades, 10+ toys and gave little black boys something to look up to.
Kirby, Priest, Huldon, Hickman, McDuffie and others (before Coates) busted their BEHINDS to get to that point. Fighting every single racist troll online and off. Especially when a certain franchise used someone as a tool to bash him as the worst black man on the planet. Without and I repeat WITHOUT taking over someone's book.
When does Storm get that? Not sitting up putting MONEY into the pocket of the Black Panther. All that does is open the door for him and SHURI & Queen Nadia to expand the Panther Empire. An Empire Storm can not join. She's an X-Man first and ONLY.
World building Storm in Panther's book means NOTHING. Because when Coates leaves-who is going to take up the cause? Not the X-Office. Not whoever gets Panther. Not Marvel. Because all they see is those sales numbers for Panther's book that probably got boosts from Storm fans and HE gets the investment NOT her.
Its not Panther fans hating Storm. It's she needs her OWN stuff. She needs her OWN book. Because long run this does not benefit her. It only makes her Cyborg. Yeah it's nice to see her with something but you have to think LONG run.
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3744217][I]Hi,
My Hudlin book is at my work and I only get a chance to read it on my breaks or lunch. I am up to the part where T'Challa is in a coma, and Shuri had to kick some butt. I was swamped the last couple of days so did not get to catch up further yet. I will try Liss' books next, if that is the reading order. Mostly at home, I have been reading my IM omnibus #1 that I had never read. I hope to get back to T'Challa soon.
After all these debates, I am almost scared to read the arc about this Advasary (sp) person LOL.[/I][/QUOTE]
Don't bother reading it. It's stupid as hell.
Check out Narcisse's book though.
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I can't help but wonder if the song would be the same if people went to the Storm thread and talked how great T'Challa is.
Don't worry, tho. I won't. Life is too damn short to waste time like that.
Call me if you need me, brothers. My inbox is always open.