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[QUOTE=Frontier;2267081]Just out of curiosity, if you could have, which of the ANAD Avengers teams would you have put Panther on?[/QUOTE]
The one that is debuting soon with Captain Falcon, Spider Man, FemThor and Herc.
Only problem with that is Iron Doom is also on that team.
But frankly everybody in that book has a reason to either not want to work with Doom or want to attack him on sight.
So what's one more?
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Not sure if this has been shared but it seems that Hudlin will never be forgiven by some fans for building up Black Panther:
[url]http://www.cracked.com/article_24154_the-6-biggest-dick-moves-by-famous-superheroes_p2.html[/url]
[QUOTE]#1. Black Panther Is Withholding The Cure For Cancer[/QUOTE]
Keep in mind that this was considered a bigger deal than what the Justice League pulled during Identity Crisis for example. Apparently covering up a rape isn't as bad as that. The best part was reading some of the comments and seeing people being like "The USA should invade Wakanda and destroy it! That will show them!". If imperialist and capitalist apologia is acceptable in reaction to a fictional country, what happens when it's a real country in Africa?
It doesn't help that on Marvel Earth you had stuff like the US government making the Legacy Virus for the sole purpose of killing mutants. Or the coup d'état attempt on Wakanda during Priest's run. And yet the expectation is Wakanda should just give up the cure or else they're assholes.
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[QUOTE=Crazy Diamond;2267182]Not sure if this has been shared but it seems that Hudlin will never be forgiven by some fans for building up Black Panther:
[url]http://www.cracked.com/article_24154_the-6-biggest-dick-moves-by-famous-superheroes_p2.html[/url]
Keep in mind that this was considered a bigger deal than what the Justice League pulled during Identity Crisis for example. Apparently covering up a rape isn't as bad as that. The best part was reading some of the comments and seeing people being like "The USA should invade Wakanda and destroy it! That will show them!". If imperialist and capitalist apologia is acceptable in reaction to a fictional country, what happens when it's a real country in Africa?
It doesn't help that on Marvel Earth you had stuff like the US government making the Legacy Virus for the sole purpose of killing mutants. Or the coup d'état attempt on Wakanda during Priest's run. And yet the expectation is Wakanda should just give up the cure or else they're assholes.[/QUOTE]
It was a bad article overall. Poorly researched yada yada. Their writers on comic book stuff do as little source checking as possible. Its like they read wiki pages.
Have to remember, sites job is to get clicks. I read it but I awknowledge that fact. They want the fighting int he commentsand cancer hits home for a lot of people
Now saying that...
that panel is stupid as F and completely unnecessary and does make Wakanda look like a bunch of A-holes.
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Deleted Scene from Civil War between Natasha and T'challa
[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2016/08/30/chadwick-boseman-captain-america-civil-war-exclusive-deleted-scene/89547416/[/url]
I lol'd
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[QUOTE=Crazy Diamond;2267182]Not sure if this has been shared but it seems that Hudlin will never be forgiven by some fans for building up Black Panther:
[url]http://www.cracked.com/article_24154_the-6-biggest-dick-moves-by-famous-superheroes_p2.html[/url]
Keep in mind that this was considered a bigger deal than what the Justice League pulled during Identity Crisis for example. Apparently covering up a rape isn't as bad as that. The best part was reading some of the comments and seeing people being like "The USA should invade Wakanda and destroy it! That will show them!". If imperialist and capitalist apologia is acceptable in reaction to a fictional country, what happens when it's a real country in Africa?
It doesn't help that on Marvel Earth you had stuff like the US government making the Legacy Virus for the sole purpose of killing mutants. Or the coup d'état attempt on Wakanda during Priest's run. And yet the expectation is Wakanda should just give up the cure or else they're assholes.[/QUOTE]
Given thr number if lives which could be sparred if cancer was cured, I actually do think you can argue withholding the cure for cancer is worse than a rape cover up. I suppose it depends on how you define worse. Course with the tree house rape thing you can sort of say Wakanda has done both. Sort of.
That aside, they cancer was a horrible choice for that scene. Everyone on the planet at this point probably knows someone who has or had cancer. I get what Hudlin was trying to do but honestly I never understood why anyone wouldn't think the scene got the response it did. They had cured the common cold or something like that it probably would have slid under the radar.
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Except Panther offered the cure and besides when you have capitalist jacking the price for aids medication you can't really expect for them to give folk the cure and like T'Chaka said they could have made such break throughs them selves easily but rather profit through misery, a pretty spot on description, hell BP even offered an exchange of medical technology during the Redzone arc but its easier to just hate on Wakanda/Black Panther for stupid reasons!
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2267250]Deleted Scene from Civil War between Natasha and T'challa
[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2016/08/30/chadwick-boseman-captain-america-civil-war-exclusive-deleted-scene/89547416/[/url]
I lol'd[/QUOTE]
Like a BOSS!!!
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2267250]Deleted Scene from Civil War between Natasha and T'challa
[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2016/08/30/chadwick-boseman-captain-america-civil-war-exclusive-deleted-scene/89547416/[/url]
I lol'd[/QUOTE]
T'Chadwick!
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[QUOTE=memnoch;2267353]Except Panther offered the cure and besides when you have capitalist jacking the price for aids medication you can't really expect for them to give folk the cure and like T'Chaka said they could have made such break throughs them selves easily but rather profit through misery, a pretty spot on description, hell BP even offered an exchange of medical technology during the Redzone arc but its easier to just hate on Wakanda/Black Panther for stupid reasons![/QUOTE]
Maybe I missed something .... when did T'Challa offer the cure for cancer? Cause I'm pretty darn sure Marv would've taken him up on the offer when T'Challa was invited up to try and help cure him.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2267303]Given thr number if lives which could be sparred if cancer was cured, I actually do think you can argue withholding the cure for cancer is worse than a rape cover up. I suppose it depends on how you define worse. Course with the tree house rape thing you can sort of say Wakanda has done both. Sort of.
That aside, they cancer was a horrible choice for that scene. Everyone on the planet at this point probably knows someone who has or had cancer. I get what Hudlin was trying to do but honestly I never understood why anyone wouldn't think the scene got the response it did. They had cured the common cold or something like that it probably would have slid under the radar.[/QUOTE]
Nah, it received as much vitriol as it did because of the people withholding the cure. Had it been Wonder Woman & the Amazons or Thor & the Asgardians, commenters would've been able to see both sides.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2267454]Maybe I missed something .... when did T'Challa offer the cure for cancer? Cause I'm pretty darn sure Marv would've taken him up on the offer when T'Challa was invited up to try and help cure him.[/QUOTE]
That story also stated that all attempts to cure Mar-Vell were being inhibited by his powers.
So there's nothing to say that they checked, saw that their cancer cure woundn't work on Marv and left it at that.
Since "We have a cure...for anybody who isn't you." isn't very helpful info.
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[QUOTE=Bushido Brown;2267466]Nah, it received as much vitriol as it did because of the people withholding the cure. Had it been Wonder Woman & the Amazons or Thor & the Asgardians, commenters would've been able to see both sides.[/QUOTE]
Yep. It wasn't about that line specifically, it was the fact that it was WAKANDA who had it. The was the biggest complaint during the course of Reggie's run from a certain segment of fanboys who hated seeing T'Challa and Wakanda presented as better than the rest of the world. I remember seeing this on multiple message board, including this one, claims about a "racist agenda" to make Wakanda look better than everywhere else.
I even remember when the Jason Aaron Secret War arc (which was fabulous, btw, I'd like to see him get a shot at a longer run on BP someday), I saw someone complain here (on the old forums) about the fact that Wakanda had the technology to find the Skrulls hiding in their midst when the FF and the Avengers didn't.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2267454]Maybe I missed something .... when did T'Challa offer the cure for cancer? Cause I'm pretty darn sure Marv would've taken him up on the offer when T'Challa was invited up to try and help cure him.[/QUOTE]
During Hudlins run(can't remember issue#).
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Its one thing to simply say Wakanda is this advanced warrior society but to show it is worst than not standing up during the national anthem :-)
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I mean, I am sure there are some racially motivated comments and undertones in regards to the cancer thing....
but that panel was stupid AF and begging for it.
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I agree with the suggestion that perhaps saying the cure for the common cold instead would have been better, but still. That was a couple of lines of dialog in, what was it, Hudlin's 3rd or 4th issue (out of an almost 50-issue run, counting the initial arc of the Shuri series and Captain America miniseries)? Released over 10 years ago? I say drop it already.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2267250]Deleted Scene from Civil War between Natasha and T'challa
[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2016/08/30/chadwick-boseman-captain-america-civil-war-exclusive-deleted-scene/89547416/[/url]
I lol'd[/QUOTE]
2 Steps ahead.
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T'Chadwick is the T'Challa we deserve.
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[QUOTE=Rumble;2267790]T'Chadwick is the T'Challa we deserve.[/QUOTE]
Sir Rumble, may I use this for yet another of my signatures?
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2267250]Deleted Scene from Civil War between Natasha and T'challa
[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2016/08/30/chadwick-boseman-captain-america-civil-war-exclusive-deleted-scene/89547416/[/url]
I lol'd[/QUOTE]
Black Widow, GTFO!
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[QUOTE=iblogalot;2267585]I agree with the suggestion that perhaps saying the cure for the common cold instead would have been better, but still. That was a couple of lines of dialog in, what was it, Hudlin's 3rd or 4th issue (out of an almost 50-issue run, counting the initial arc of the Shuri series and Captain America miniseries)? Released over 10 years ago? I say drop it already.[/QUOTE]
Heu, the Superboy/Bizarro incident the article mentions was from the late 50's. That article was clearly trying to dig up whatever it could for click bait. Ultimately it's no big deal ... though I suppose one can wonder if they would consider revisiting that issue for Jane sown the line. Aarons is a BP writer back in the day, so he might be aware of that particular plot thread.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2265780]The only thing good about this wack ass BP book are the beautiful covers.
[IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/ngxcet.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I there a site where we can get a look of all the various BP covers being featured this year for his 50th anniversary?
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2267541]I mean, I am sure there are some racially motivated comments and undertones in regards to the cancer thing....
[B]
but that panel was stupid AF and begging for it.[/B][/QUOTE]
I disagree with the bolded for the simple fact that T'Chaka clearly stated why Wakanda would not share their technological/general advances with the West.
We read about incidents of jacked up prices and profiteering from life saving medication on the part of big pharma in the real world everyday, so it's not as if the position Hudlin had T'Chaka holding to, was that far fetched or unreasonable.
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[QUOTE=nj06;2267832]I there a site where we can get a look of all the various BP covers being featured this year for his 50th anniversary?[/QUOTE]
I honestly don't know.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2266830]
That's like being a Ron Weasley fan or something when Harry Potter and Hermione are around lol. [/quote]
Completely off topic, but Ron got screwed over by the movies (usually in favor of making Hermione better). In the books, he had street smart and real practical Wizard world knowledge. A good example is in the first book where the plant that tangles them up when they're afraid (sorry, I'm drawing a blank, it's been awhile). In the book, Ron saved the day. Harry is the one who froze. In the movie, of course, Ron was a whiny little baby and Hermione saved them.
[quote]Speaking of Rage specifically, if he would have endured all those beat downs and such, and then rose triumphantly and used every ounce of his being to defeat Killmonger... that would be acceptable. I could possibly dig that. [/quote]
See, I like the idea that T'Challa can never beat Killmonger. That's something that Chris Priest ran with in a very interesting take that, to me, changed Priest's run from something I enjoyed to something I loved.
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[QUOTE=VOLTRON;2267803]Sir Rumble, may I use this for yet another of my signatures?[/QUOTE]
Haha I am honored, friend Voltron :)
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2267923]Completely off topic, but Ron got screwed over by the movies (usually in favor of making Hermione better). In the books, he had street smart and real practical Wizard world knowledge. A good example is in the first book where the plant that tangles them up when they're afraid (sorry, I'm drawing a blank, it's been awhile). In the book, Ron saved the day. Harry is the one who froze. In the movie, of course, Ron was a whiny little baby and Hermione saved them.
See, I like the idea that T'Challa can never beat Killmonger. That's something that Chris Priest ran with in a very interesting take that, to me, changed Priest's run from something I enjoyed to something I loved.[/QUOTE]
I have to admit the aspect of Killmonger beating T'Challa made the character more interesting to me. It's almost the defining trait he's known for at this point. It'll be interesting to see if that translates to the movies or not.
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[QUOTE=Rumble;2267925]Haha I am honored, friend Voltron :)[/QUOTE]
You are too kind, good Sir!
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[QUOTE=iblogalot;2267508]Yep. It wasn't about that line specifically, it was the fact that it was WAKANDA who had it. The was the biggest complaint during the course of Reggie's run from a certain segment of fanboys who hated seeing T'Challa and Wakanda presented as better than the rest of the world. I remember seeing this on multiple message board, including this one, claims about a "racist agenda" to make Wakanda look better than everywhere else.
I even remember when the Jason Aaron Secret War arc (which was fabulous, btw, I'd like to see him get a shot at a longer run on BP someday), I saw someone complain here (on the old forums) about the fact that Wakanda had the technology to find the Skrulls hiding in their midst when the FF and the Avengers didn't.[/QUOTE]
Those same people that hate seeing Wakanda in the light are probably eating this coats run up with dollar shaped spoons and forks.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2267250]Deleted Scene from Civil War between Natasha and T'challa
[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2016/08/30/chadwick-boseman-captain-america-civil-war-exclusive-deleted-scene/89547416/[/url]
I lol'd[/QUOTE]
good this is how it should be. Now can someone please explain to me why he didn't get extradition on Zemo. The dude should be in a Wakanda cell getting interrogated by the Hatut Zeraze
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[QUOTE=Jabare;2267974]good this is how it should be. Now can someone please explain to me why he didn't get extradition on Zemo. The dude should be in a Wakanda cell getting interrogated by the Hatut Zeraze[/QUOTE]
Eh, maybe he ends up there.
I imagine zemo will be discussed in his solo. I imagine many wakandans want blood
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Zemo is also a Cap villain and since he is one of the few living MCU villains he could pop up in BP but I wouldn't be shocked if he stays in Cap
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I'm just speaking contextually within the Universe.
Captain America made out pretty well in Civil War.
Wakanda lost it's king, and War Machine can't walk anymore. Besides Civil War felt more like an Avengers movie.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;2268031]I'm just speaking contextually within the Universe.
Captain America made out pretty well in Civil War..[/QUOTE]
Wut
We musta watched different movies
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2267923].
See, I like the idea that T'Challa can never beat Killmonger. That's something that Chris Priest ran with in a very interesting take that, to me, changed Priest's run from something I enjoyed to something I loved.[/QUOTE]
[B] Except in the Ironman annual when T'Challa beats Kilmonger, it's actually really dumb that he constantly loses, how it should be is in a straight fight no distractions, T'Challa will win bit it'd gonna be a tough fight leaving him completely exhausted, but victorious. Hell even Priest's take had T'Challa essentially winning. But distractions cause the loss.
I would actually prefer it if on panel kilmonger said "in a straight uninterrupted fight, T'Challa would likely best me.. but his distractions become my advantage."
But if he comes back is high time T'Challa whoops his Ass Which force's him to take in some upgrades to combat against T'Challas upgrades [/B]
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2267215]It was a bad article overall. Poorly researched yada yada. Their writers on comic book stuff do as little source checking as possible. Its like they read wiki pages.
Have to remember, sites job is to get clicks. I read it but I awknowledge that fact. They want the fighting int he commentsand cancer hits home for a lot of people
Now saying that...
that panel is stupid as F and completely unnecessary and does make Wakanda look like a bunch of A-holes.[/QUOTE]
Maybe. But the US and other countries stripping Africa of it's natural resources both human and non is a far worse crime. If we go in comics, Reed Richards invented unstable molecules but I have yet to see any police officers or firefighters in the MU reap the benefits of that but everyone is okay with that. How many lives could have been saved there?
A-holes are everywhere.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2267867]I disagree with the bolded for the simple fact that T'Chaka clearly stated why Wakanda would not share their technological/general advances with the West.
We read about incidents of jacked up prices and profiteering from life saving medication on the part of big pharma in the real world everyday, so it's not as if the position Hudlin had T'Chaka holding to, was that far fetched or unreasonable.[/QUOTE]
Totally agree with your assessment.
If Wakanda had circumvented the gov't and given the cure directly to the people, the gov'ts around the world would have pitched a fit and would have tried to bring Wakanda down for undercutting the profits of their own companies. The financial markets would have taken a hit and these multi-billion dollar companies would bring so much pressure to do something about Wakanda there would have been another world war.
It would have been the right thing to do but in the end it would have caused more harm than good.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;2267974]good this is how it should be. Now can someone please explain to me why he didn't get extradition on Zemo. The dude should be in a Wakanda cell getting interrogated by the Hatut Zeraze[/QUOTE]
In all likelihood T'Chaka wasn't the only diplomat murdered. Dozens of nations likely want to prosecute him. Under situations like that, it probably makes sense for the UN in the short term at least to have custody of him.
Nonetheless there's good reason for this to be an issue in the next BP movie. Zemo may be replacing Klaw as T'Challa primary antagonist.
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;2268012]Zemo is also a Cap villain and since he is one of the few living MCU villains he could pop up in BP but I wouldn't be shocked if he stays in Cap[/QUOTE]
In the comics he's a Cap villain. In the movies I think given he murdered T'Challa's dad, I think there's better motivation to switch him over.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2268106]Totally agree with your assessment.
If Wakanda had circumvented the gov't and given the cure directly to the people, the gov'ts around the world would have pitched a fit and would have tried to bring Wakanda down for undercutting the profits of their own companies. The financial markets would have taken a hit and these multi-billion dollar companies would bring so much pressure to do something about Wakanda there would have been another world war.
It would have been the right thing to do but in the end it would have caused more harm than good.[/QUOTE]
I really like the unstable molecule analogy you drew.
Just imagine Firemen outfitted with protective suits made out of Unstable Molecules.