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[QUOTE=UltimateTy;79034]Klaw still Played a role in his murder[/QUOTE]
But in that case T'Chaka wasn't the guy dealing with outsiders. The Wakandans can
fence the rest of the world out. But not all of them will be willing to fence themselves in.
Especially if there is something they can get out of dealing with outsiders.
If allying themselves with Hydra or Ultron will get M'Baku or Killmonger the throne, they will do it. If you're from M'Baku's tribe T'Chaka's oppressing your religious freedom anyway, so you have got all the justification you need.
If everybody loved T'Chaka, he wouldn't have needed a secret police.
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I would like to point out that every time Wakanda opens it's borders things like Doomwar and Hell's Kitchen happen!
The way Priest did things was better and now that Disney money is in the picture it would be best to see how that works with billions of dollars backing it now instead of no money backing it then!
There is nothing wrong with returning to the dry well once it has been filled back up to the brim with more water... All Marvel character return time and again to the old tried and true formulas in comics, cartoons and cinema!
Isolation and xenophobia gives Wakanda it's identity, character and an edge... If it's open to everyone it becomes the Disneyland of the Marvel universe which loses it's overall mystery and hidden wonders!
Rogues Gallery beats Ensemble casts each and every time... Hanging with Emma is cool for now but at some point you have to sell toys in your own franchise to proof your franchise's intellectual property value is truly up!
This guy should have his image and likeness on a Reverend Achebe toy ASAP... "Look at me... Look at me... I'm the captain now!"
[video=youtube_share;bjfMVqL344Y]http://youtu.be/bjfMVqL344Y[/video]
And let's get started on this Killmonger toy like right now... I want a matching statue for one of my Black Panther statues!
[url]http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=63348[/url]
I have already cast Majestic as Moses Magnum... (See Post Pics of Yourself Thread) :cool:
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;79105]I would like to point out that every time Wakanda opens it's borders things like Doomwar and Hell's Kitchen happen!
The way Priest did things was better and now that Disney money is in the picture it would be best to see how that works with billions of dollars backing it now instead of no money backing it then!
There is nothing wrong with returning to the dry well once it has been filled back up to the brim with more water... All Marvel character return time and again to the old tried and true formulas in comics, cartoons and cinema!
Isolation and xenophobia gives Wakanda it's identity, character and an edge... If it's open to everyone it becomes the Disneyland of the Marvel universe which loses it's overall mystery and hidden wonders!
Rogues Gallery beats Ensemble casts each and every time... Hanging with Emma is cool for now but at some point you have to sell toys in your own franchise to proof your franchise's intellectual property value is truly up!
This guy should have his image and likeness on a Reverend Achebe toy ASAP... "Look at me... Look at me... I'm the captain now!"
[video=youtube_share;bjfMVqL344Y]http://youtu.be/bjfMVqL344Y[/video]
And let's get started on this Killmonger toy like right now... I want a matching statue for one of my Black Panther statues!
[url]http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=63348[/url]
I have already cast Majestic as Moses Magnum... (See Post Pics of Yourself Thread) :cool:[/QUOTE]
I agree with you 100% and Barkhad Abdi would made a great Achebe in a BP movie
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Flex, more Wakanda and Jabari the Brave won't get a B.P book more readership.
Wakanda and Jabari the Brave didn't get Reg his sales numbers.
Storm, Civil War and Dark Reign did.
When Reg's B.P went back to Africa the sales took a nosedive. Learn from Geoff Johns Aquaman who had to be dragged kicking and screaming in story to Altantis because Geoff Johns knew damn well he couldn't sell the concept.
And if Geoff Johns can't sell something, that is a hint and a half that it probably can't be sold in this market at all.
The guy turned Hal Jordan into a moneymaker, for God's sake.
Dude's practically a miracle worker.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;79189]Flex, more Wakanda and Jabari the Brave won't get a B.P book more readership.
Wakanda and Jabari the Brave didn't get Reg his sales numbers.
Storm, Civil War and Dark Reign did.
When Reg's B.P went back to Africa the sales took a nosedive. Learn from Geoff Johns Aquaman who had to be dragged kicking and screaming in story to Altantis because Geoff Johns knew damn well he couldn't sell the concept.
And if Geoff Johns can't sell something, that is a hint and a half that it probably can't be sold in this market at all.
The guy turned Hal Jordan into a moneymaker, for God's sake.
Dude's practically a miracle worker.[/QUOTE]
I really hate the idea that stories set in Africa with Africans is unmarketable. I mean, I know comic book fans can be xenophobic, but that's just incredibly messed up.
They can be, but as you brought up, you need to make sure what happens there has consequences within the rest of the Marvel Universe as well.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;79189]Flex, more Wakanda and Jabari the Brave won't get a B.P book more readership.
Wakanda and Jabari the Brave didn't get Reg his sales numbers.
Storm, Civil War and Dark Reign did.
When Reg's B.P went back to Africa the sales took a nosedive. Learn from Geoff Johns Aquaman who had to be dragged kicking and screaming in story to Altantis because Geoff Johns knew damn well he couldn't sell the concept.
And if Geoff Johns can't sell something, that is a hint and a half that it probably can't be sold in this market at all.
The guy turned Hal Jordan into a moneymaker, for God's sake.
Dude's practically a miracle worker.[/QUOTE]
Didn't the the story that turned Hudlins run from an out of continuity miniseries into an in continuity run was about Wakanda being isolationist? but like all comic heroes T'Challa need and his sister need to interact with other heroes and have varying adventures in different places Isolationist Wakanda isn't a stumbling block to that. But they both need their point or origin to ground them as characters, which is an isolationist and mysterious Wakanda.
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;79105]I would like to point out that every time Wakanda opens it's borders things like Doomwar and Hell's Kitchen happen!
The way Priest did things was better and now that Disney money is in the picture it would be best to see how that works with billions of dollars backing it now instead of no money backing it then!
There is nothing wrong with returning to the dry well once it has been filled back up to the brim with more water... All Marvel character return time and again to the old tried and true formulas in comics, cartoons and cinema!
Isolation and xenophobia gives Wakanda it's identity, character and an edge... If it's open to everyone it becomes the Disneyland of the Marvel universe which loses it's overall mystery and hidden wonders!
Rogues Gallery beats Ensemble casts each and every time... Hanging with Emma is cool for now but at some point you have to sell toys in your own franchise to proof your franchise's intellectual property value is truly up!
This guy should have his image and likeness on a Reverend Achebe toy ASAP... "Look at me... Look at me... I'm the captain now!"
And let's get started on this Killmonger toy like right now... I want a matching statue for one of my Black Panther statues!
I have already cast Majestic as Moses Magnum... (See Post Pics of Yourself Thread) :cool:[/QUOTE]
totally agree, you dont want to loose that baseline beat of wakanda's isolationism.... its sense of entitlement and superiority. the golden city!!!
but at the same time.... daddy issues being what they are. part of any good sons journey in his fathers shoes is knowing when to hold onto tradition and when to strike out on your own path
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[QUOTE=Double 0;79269]I really hate the idea that stories set in Africa with Africans is unmarketable. I mean, I know comic book fans can be xenophobic, but that's just incredibly messed up.
They can be, but as you brought up, you need to make sure what happens there has consequences within the rest of the Marvel Universe as well.[/QUOTE]
And as i always say....Nobody says that sort of thing about comics based in space, Asgard, and other locations.
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;79296]And as i always say....Nobody says that sort of thing about comics based in space, Asgard, and other locations.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, they do say it when it comes to Canada or UK, judging by the sales of most of the Alpha Flight and Captain Britain/Excalibur stuff.
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[QUOTE=Double 0;79269]I really hate the idea that stories set in Africa with Africans is unmarketable. I mean, I know comic book fans can be xenophobic, but that's just incredibly messed up.
They can be, but as you brought up, you need to make sure what happens there has consequences within the rest of the Marvel Universe as well.[/QUOTE]
If it makes you feel any better, stories set in the U.K. are just as unmarketable.
Sales of Revolutionary War were horrific and Marvel gave up on
Alpha Flight after the first arc.
P.S. You beat me to it.
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Vic Vega I feel what you are saying but you have to remember that Black Panther never had the movie buzz that it has today nor the exceptional Hatorade shade thrown it's way which means that it is more ripe for bigger things than it ever has been in years!
Think of it like the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe getting swept out of the playoffs repeatedly and then Phil Jackson comes in with the exact same roster and tweaks things just a little bit and they set a record one playoff loss on their way to sweeping everybody else for the championship!
Hudlin and Priest exposed what potential the character had even under circumstances regularly blocked the success... I don't think those same things happen if the right "Point Man" is put in play to grab hold of what works while discarding what didn't!
Also there still is not the baseball card definitive listing of what his true powers and skill sets are... This is key in comics you can't just claim something for him by default it has to be listed and on record or shown on panel what the heart shaped herb is or what King of The Dead really means period!
Waiting 18 issues to "sort of" explain the King of The Dead powers when Spiderman gets bitten day one by a radioactive spider and then goes and explores his new powers through trial and error right off the bat... 18 issues???
There are core mistakes by each writer as well as core successes by each writer that need to be capitalized on properly!
Take Priest, Hudlin, Liss, Lee, Hickman, Mcgregor, Johns and even Maberry and then Phil Jackson what needs to be Phil Jacksoned' to a better degree not just say "hey this team can't win no matter what" and accept that as canon and try another extreme!
Doomwar had a terrible ending but Shadow Physics as a concept is priced to sell under the right writer and should be canon and on Black Panther's baseball card so that those who cosplay as him have their rescuing device to defeat all would be foes!
The rumbles threads are a great example because comic books always boil down to head to head fights and the reasons for why one character is voted over another character... Just because you don't frequent those rumbles threads does not mean that these things do no matter because they do in super hero comics!
You don't throw the baby out with the bath water so to speak... Put your Phil Jackson Zen cap on and tweak that roster (Rogues Gallery) until you get it right and stop chickening out trying to piggyback Black Panther with other popular ensemble characters just to sell him!
There's millions of other potential fans out there that could easily jump on this bandwagon when this character is really priced to sell but you also need to know when there is too much world building and over crowding of characters that stifle the main character's growth... Rogues Galleries always grow the character in comics while family members often stifle the growth when you have to account for them and suck up panel space as their expense!
Would you rather have Black Panther talking to Shuri on the movie screen or that guy from Captain Philips while taking over your country... Fans of James Bond already know the answer to that question it's a no brainer especially for actors who want more drama to challenge their skills on than brother and sister talks about the meaning of life!
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I think it would really unfortunate that, after over a year and a half, T'Challa has not exhibited any of his new powers. And that it may be possible that he does so within the next 2 issues of OS. Worst off his big reveal might be written by Aaron's and NOT Hickman. I'm all about the wait and see approach but he could have displayed his stuff and then explained it away later. Hard light shields, tele-porting and off panel victories aside. I must admit I did like issue 18 though. But I was under the impression that he Was the embodiment of the previous Black Panthers. Though the communal counseling was good it seems like he is just going to borrow stuff and not bring his own stuff to the table. "Oh great Wall of Wakanda, lend me your resilience so that I may take this incoming butt-kicking from my Altantian "Frenemy"". Color me Jaded but I just hope that it is timed right with NA 19. Though I dont follow the X stuff but I thought Emma was Psyonically dead right now.
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[QUOTE=The_Panther;79543]I think it would really unfortunate that, after over a year and a half, T'Challa has not exhibited any of his new powers. And that it may be possible that he does so within the next 2 issues of OS. Worst off his big reveal might be written by Aaron's and NOT Hickman. I'm all about the wait and see approach but he could have displayed his stuff and then explained it away later. Hard light shields, tele-porting and off panel victories aside. I must admit I did like issue 18 though. But I was under the impression that he Was the embodiment of the previous Black Panthers. Though the communal counseling was good it seems like he is just going to borrow stuff and not bring his own stuff to the table. "Oh great Wall of Wakanda, lend me your resilience so that I may take this incoming butt-kicking from my Altantian "Frenemy"". Color me Jaded but I just hope that it is timed right with NA 19. Though I dont follow the X stuff but I thought Emma was Psyonically dead right now.[/QUOTE]
Next issue of NA will be fight with the great society or whatever they are called and all the new powers should be on show then.
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[QUOTE=The_Panther;79543]I think it would really unfortunate that, after over a year and a half, T'Challa has not exhibited any of his new powers. And that it may be possible that he does so within the next 2 issues of OS. Worst off his big reveal might be written by Aaron's and NOT Hickman. I'm all about the wait and see approach but he could have displayed his stuff and then explained it away later. Hard light shields, tele-porting and off panel victories aside. I must admit I did like issue 18 though. But I was under the impression that he Was the embodiment of the previous Black Panthers. Though the communal counseling was good it seems like he is just going to borrow stuff and not bring his own stuff to the table. "Oh great Wall of Wakanda, lend me your resilience so that I may take this incoming butt-kicking from my Altantian "Frenemy"". Color me Jaded but I just hope that it is timed right with NA 19. Though I dont follow the X stuff but I thought Emma was Psyonically dead right now.[/QUOTE]
Well, he seemed stronger in NA 1 than usual but you are right. We need to see feats with his new powers so they officially become canon.
Hopefully the fight with the GS will give us that.
We have finally been shown what his KoD Old Panther power thing is. Now we need to see how much power Bast actually gave T'challa to be her champion.
And Emma's powers are broken in UXM, this must take place farther in the future than where UXM is at right now. Or even a broken telepath can read the mind of a moloid lol.
Maybe Aaron is pulling a Bendis on Bendis :) (ignoring continuity... just because)
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;78766]Truth.
I am glad Wakanda is no longer,[B][U][I] "we are superior to all leave us alone we won't help you you don't help us"[/I][/U][/B]
T'challa should still put Wakanda first... and he is. Saving the universe = saving Wakanda.[/QUOTE]
Very wrng....Wakanda is m lyk "we hv our way, u hv urs. u dnt interfere in our bizness/wrld, we wnt interfere in urs"
Gvn Wakanda's history with d outside wrld ovr their 10 millenia its undrstndbl y dey wud choose isolatn.