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[QUOTE=C_haos;3110138]The main title may have dodged a bullet not tying into SE or Civil War 2. Narrative wise they weren't as strong as other crossovers
BP title ain't doing bad it's outselling Luke, Danny, Jess, DD, Champions, Uncanny Avengers and a lot of other titles. Sales appears to be down overall.[/QUOTE]
I think the opposite. These were the best crossovers since Dark Reign.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3110365][B]The point is showing Tchalla repelling Hydra on multiple occasions and how it could of been shown of him "allowing" himself to be captured to get closer to Cap because he knew Cap himself wouldn't go to Wakanda. But that requires in continuity Tchalla and Coates ain't about that. He wants his castrated bitch made Tchalla running around needing help from everyone. So I guess maybe it's good he didn't tie in[/B][/QUOTE]
That really wouldn't make sense though. Surrendering the cosmic cube fragment and allowing himself to get captured while Faustus had control of half the Wakandan army frankly would have been stupid. Getting close to Steve isn't worth a cube fragment or his kingdom.
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Its all about the long con. Wakandan forces would have never been under Faustus control because BP already knew what they planned. Let it play out to get close to Steve.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3110436]Its all about the long con. Wakandan forces would have never been under Faustus control because BP already knew what they planned. Let it play out to get close to Steve.[/QUOTE]
As long as Steve gets the cube fragment, T'Challa can be as damn close as he wants and it won't matter. That's the problem with the long con idea... it's T'Challa giving Steve what he wants instead of Steve taking it. And that makes less sense.
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They never went into where the cube was. Should have been in the Shadow Vault to begin with
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[QUOTE=XPac;3110398]That really wouldn't make sense though. Surrendering the cosmic cube fragment and allowing himself to get captured while Faustus had control of half the Wakandan army frankly would have been stupid. Getting close to Steve isn't worth a cube fragment or his kingdom.[/QUOTE]
[B]I was using an example for simplicity sake. There are plenty of ways to spin it to make Wakanda and Tchalla look badass and Tchalla as the Uber planner. It's all about giving the illusion that Steve had won when he didn't and Wakanda was never actually in danger[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3110557][B]I was using an example for simplicity sake. There are plenty of ways to spin it to make Wakanda and Tchalla look badass and Tchalla as the Uber planner. It's all about giving the illusion that Steve had won when he didn't and Wakanda was never actually in danger[/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, but the point of it was that Wakanda was in danger. Steve HAS to get to get the cube fragment to advance the story, and that places the while world, Wakanda included in danger. Steve HAS to win this round of the story.
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[QUOTE=C_haos;3110309]It depends I remember how jarring it was for the X Line when they tied into House of M and the Avengers titles and a few characters when Civil War happened. I tend to think smaller scale crossovers like Conquest and War of the Gods work so well because the main writer has more influence. i.e you don't have to swing at every pitch. I feel like Liss was kind of forced to tie in to Fear Itself.
The best BP tie ins have typically been the ones that didn't really tie in like Sturm Und Drang and the above mentioned. One exception being Civil War and even then the ending was really dependent on the main title[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000000"]Wakanda was threatened with war. It held one of the key components of the event. Wakandans were under mind control and T'Challa was captured and brought to America as a prisoner. These were major plot points happening to BP and Wakanda outside the solo and yet Coates couldn't acknowledge what was happening.
The world was being taken over by a fascist and Wakanda was a target. Maybe Coates should have sent the Midnight Angels to take down Steve.
[B]"No One Man"[/B] and all that.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3110740][COLOR="#000000"]Wakanda was threatened with war. It held one of the key components of the event. Wakandans were under mind control and T'Challa was captured and brought to America as a prisoner. These were major plot points happening to BP and Wakanda outside the solo and yet Coates couldn't acknowledge what was happening.
The world was being taken over by a fascist and Wakanda was a target. Maybe Coates should have sent the Midnight Angels to take down Steve.
[B]"No One Man"[/B] and all that.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Tying into company wide events is more an optional thing though. Unless you're a main player in the event (and even then it's not always the case).
In World War Hulk for example, Hulk destroyed the Wakandan embassy and kidnapped the Wakandan king and queen. There COULD have been a story there with Wakanda responding to it in either McDUffies or Hudlins books, but they were doing their own thing at the time. They COULD have tied in with the event, but no one at marvel forced them too. That's just how it is. Writers aren't obligated to tell someone else's story if they have their own thing going for the most part at marvel (though I'm sure there are exceptions).
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[QUOTE=XPac;3110758]Tying into company wide events is more an optional thing though. Unless you're a main player in the event (and even then it's not always the case).
In World War Hulk for example, Hulk destroyed the Wakandan embassy and kidnapped the Wakandan king and queen. There COULD have been a story there with Wakanda responding to it in either McDUffies or Hudlins books, but they were doing their own thing at the time. They COULD have tied in with the event, but no one at marvel forced them too. That's just how it is. Writers aren't obligated to tell someone else's story if they have their own thing going for the most part at marvel (though I'm sure there are exceptions).[/QUOTE]
If any part of World War Hulk took place in Wakanda I'm sure they would have. I thought he destroyed Stark Tower. I don't remember them being a major story point in WWH. I thought they were just part of hero splash pages.
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I have hear BP and he Crew is coming to an end was that always planned or did it just not take off?
I like it although it does undermine the back stories of Blue Marvel and Cage but I can get past it.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3110779]If any part of World War Hulk took place in Wakanda I'm sure they would have. I thought he destroyed Stark Tower. I don't remember them being a major story point in WWH. I thought they were just part of hero splash pages.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I think I mixed up Stark Tower there. Hulk just invaded the Wakandan Embassy. But I think the point still stands ... in Wakanda's king and queen are kidnapped, there's a potential story to tell there. That's theoretically the Doras job at the time. Either the BP or FF writers could have theoretically told it ... or they could have ignored it and did their own thing. Writers usually aren't forced to tie into events.
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[QUOTE=pageturner;3110797]I have hear BP and he Crew is coming to an end was that always planned or did it just not take off?
I like it although it does undermine the back stories of Blue Marvel and Cage but I can get past it.[/QUOTE]
Simular to the first Crew book, it was cancelled almost as soon as it came out.
It's the tragic thing about the comic market. It's almost impossible for anything new not tied to an existing franchise to get any real traction right out of the gate.
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[QUOTE=pageturner;3110797]I have hear BP and he Crew is coming to an end was that always planned or did it just not take off?
I like it although it does undermine the back stories of Blue Marvel and Cage but I can get past it.[/QUOTE]
Cancelled after issue 2 due to low sales.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;3110247]You weren't going to get that out of Coates. Hydra Cap would have set up labor camps in Wakanda and T'Challa would have given Steve a grumpy look over it.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, just take the labour camps and put them in with the rape camps, one gigantic interconnected techno treehouse that rivals T'challa's techno jungle. Have T'challa ignore them completely and let have him galavant around with a white woman(I suggest Emma Frost because T'challa's has already gotten on his knees and pleasured one white monarch that screwed over Wakanda) which then drives baba Changamire to lead to groups of Dora's to rescue the Wakandans. It'll be an interesting story, you see because the main character will be making a mistake, which means he's not a mary sue and he's "technically" he's at the centre of the story.