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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2314046]Synergy with the comics, perhaps?
Haven't seen the episode yet, but I'm surprised they went with Aneka, being that Okoye will be the leader in the MCU.[/QUOTE]
Possible that the bp solo may have been so early in development at the time the ep was created that they didn't know Okoye would be chosen. idk. Also, Aneka was bald similar to how Rocafort drew her in Ultimates, which makes me think both groups were given a name and concept but neither were aware of how Stelfreeze planned on drawing her.
She had some good lines with Hawkeye and got her share of action.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2314050]Nice to get a good showing.[/QUOTE]
I'll be a regular viewer of next season if he's going to be reoccurring, as they insinuated at comic con.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2314051]The Warships were already beaten in the first part of the story, and the only Super Skrull that showed up was a hand to hand fighter. There was NOTHING for a fully powered Storm to contend with and that's the problem. Had there been, it wouldn't have been an issue.
Let's say there were hypothetically a super skrull for her to fight... ya think it would make more sense for her to fight it with a spear? I think not. Storm with powers > Storm with a spear. If there indeed was anything in the story which was more powerful than a fully powered Storm a spear wouldn't be able to get the job done either. But the point being there wasn't. The Warships were already beaten in the first part of the story, and the only Super skrull that showed up was a h2h guy T'Challa beat on his own.
Basically you could have swapped Storm out with a Dora and it wouldn't have made much of a difference at all. It wasn't a story written for Storm... it was written around her. And that's fine if the writer wants to do that... again, I am simply arguing it doesn't really qualify as a feat on her part.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't a feat for Storm using her mutant abilities, something the really don't do in X-Men stories anyway other than lightning. She got to fight as a part of a strategy laid out by BP, something she should be used to as an X-Man following Scott's strategies.
And there was more than one Super Skrull in that story. Did Storm fight one? No, because she had another part to play in the plan. But did she lose to a Skrull? No, but she did get a chance to fight the Skrulls. Did anyone complain when she fought Marrow in H2H combat without the use of her powers when she killed her? No, her fans thought that it was good showing on her part despite the fact that she could have ended the fight in minutes without killing Marrow.
Edit: I forgot they fought with knives and she stabbed Marrow in the heart. No powers used at all.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2313983]And if there was a super skrull in the actual story which had negated Storms abilities (or at least occupied her) it wouldn't have been an issue.
And frankly I'd argue if Storm is capable of defeating the Skrulls single handedly without any real loses on their side, THAT would have been the best strategy. But it almost makes or a boring story, so it wasn't done.
I've heard the term "nerf" used about 500 times in the last 6 months on this board... I think you can credibly say Storm refraining from using her powers falls under that category too. I'm not saying it's a big deal, but it's a legit issue that could have been handled better.[/QUOTE]
[B] Except it wasn't see storm and die. Its a Bo story and storm was a supporting cast member. Your not gonna have storm perform this mega fest like soloing the skrulls in a BP book, unless the strategy was to hold the skrulls off till storm could gather enough power to one shot them. So if storm is "nerfed" in a Bp book, yet still getting s good showing then it's okay [/B]
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Omg u guyz
That was so awesome when in civil war 2 issue 5 bendis had panther hold iron man so carol could punch him super hard!
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2314007]Who did Storm lose to in that story? What Skrull kicked her butt? Just because she didn't throw a lightning bolt doesn't mean she was nerfed.
I can also make an argument of one Super Skrull taking down the Fantastic Four. The Skrulls obviously knew that Storm was in Wakanda. They weren't shocked to see that she was there. They brought in Super Skrulls for a reason.
And Storm hasn't singlehandedly taken out any of the X-villains other than Marrow and Scott so I don't see where she's going to take out War ships and Super Skrulls. Not unless she plans to unleash a tidal wave on Wakanda.[/QUOTE]
Brother Marvell you're forgetting that when in a X-Men comic it's ok that she get nerfed as you can hear the crickets chirping when it happens and the audience shows their approval of it with their silence but the second it happens outside of the X-Books then there's problems and folks rise up with cries of Marvel hates the X-Men and this is why they need to stay in the X-Verse and other key moves in mental gymnastics
And I say this as someone who hates Storm but is well aware of the double standards people have with her
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2314180][B] Except it wasn't see storm and die. Its a Bo story and storm was a supporting cast member. Your not gonna have storm perform this mega fest like soloing the skrulls in a BP book, unless the strategy was to hold the skrulls off till storm could gather enough power to one shot them. So if storm is "nerfed" in a Bp book, yet still getting s good showing then it's okay [/B][/QUOTE]
Sure. As I said a couple of times I understand why they didn't have Storm just end the fight in two panels even if she likely could have. It ruins the story about Wakanda fighting the Skulls. Despite being a bit of a plot hole I don't think it's necessarily a big deal... I just don't qualify it as a feat on Storms part. She didn't really do anything. That could have been a random Dora and the story would have been exactly the same. It's not much of a Storm feat if Storm could literally be interchangable with anyone else on the battle field. Not for one of the most powerful beings on the planet.
But I'll repeat that this is still my all time favorite BP story. I'm not really knocking it. Just disagreeing with the notion on what sort of a showing this was for Storm in particular. It's like saying Black Panther in Civil War 2 this week was a feat. It really wasn't. It wasn't a bad showing per say... but he was just kinda there. It's fairly neutral.
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;2314203]Brother Marvell you're forgetting that when in a X-Men comic it's ok that she get nerfed as you can hear the crickets chirping when it happens and the audience shows their approval of it with their silence but the second it happens outside of the X-Books then there's problems and folks rise up with cries of Marvel hates the X-Men and this is why they need to stay in the X-Verse and other key moves in mental gymnastics
And I say this as someone who hates Storm but is well aware of the double standards people have with her[/QUOTE]
Truthfully when you are as powerful as Storm, you are often not written to your full potential. There are occasions where Storm if written to her full potential can end a given conlict in seconds... she's potentially that powerful. But like many powerful characters (Superman being the posterboy of it, but it certainly applies to a lot of other people), they are written below their potential.
So no... Storm being neutered a bit isn't something new. In this case being completely powerless is still arguably one of the more extreme instances of that, but nonetheless it was necessary to tell the story the writer wanted to tell. The fact that Storm could likely ended the conflict in 2 panels is preceisely why the writer wouldn't want her to. Having a character like Storm in a story can be a logistical problem in a story, and not every writer can handle that sort of thing as well as some fans might like.
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;2314203]Brother Marvell you're forgetting that when in a X-Men comic [B]it's ok that she get nerfed [/B]as you can hear the crickets chirping when it happens and the audience shows their approval of it with their silence but the second it happens outside of the X-Books then there's problems and folks rise up with cries of Marvel hates the X-Men and this is why they need to stay in the X-Verse and other key moves in mental gymnastics
And I say this as someone who hates Storm but is well aware of the double standards people have with her[/QUOTE]
There's a history of that with Storm and there are some fans who are starting to show their disapproval. But yeah, there is that mentality among some who say it's all good as long as she's appearing in an X-book. That mentality doesn't do anything for her and it's the reason why you have vocal fans in the BP thread(you can find the same kind of fans in the Namor thread too). Not all of us are going to accept things just because BP has a solo book. Some of us are going to question things that we find unacceptable, whether we are in the majority or in the minority.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2314046]Synergy with the comics, perhaps?
Haven't seen the episode yet, but I'm surprised they went with Aneka, being that Okoye will be the leader in the MCU.[/QUOTE]
I think at one point Boseman said Coates run would influence everything Black Panther.
Not that Boseman is necessarily in a position to know that, at least on the animated side of things.... but it makes sense. I'm sure the people making the cartoons are at least familiar with the comic. And if Coates is influencing the movie, he'll likely be influencing the cartoons because odds are the cartoons are influenced by the movies.
So overall I do think a synergy of sorts is being created. And down the line the movies and cartoon may well influence Coates. Probably not NOW since Coates first year is already in the can. But a year from now or whatever, it's a possibility.
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[QUOTE=FriendRoss;2314194]Omg u guyz
That was so awesome when in civil war 2 issue 5 bendis had panther hold iron man so carol could punch him super hard![/QUOTE]
Thanks for the update FriendRoss. I'm not following the event so it good to see that Bendis hasn't "Bendisized" T'Challa yet.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2314243]I think at one point Boseman said Coates run would influence everything Black Panther.
Not that Boseman is necessarily in a position to know that, at least on the animated side of things.... but it makes sense. I'm sure the people making the cartoons are at least familiar with the comic. And if Coates is influencing the movie, he'll likely be influencing the cartoons because odds are the cartoons are influenced by the movies.
So overall I do think a synergy of sorts is being created. And down the line the movies and cartoon may well influence Coates. Probably not NOW since Coates first year is already in the can. But a year from now or whatever, it's a possibility.[/QUOTE]
The Coates run is already influencing the movie, apparently. Coogler mentioned it in a recent interview. Chadwick said he's been reading it too.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2314245]Thanks for the update FriendRoss. I'm not following the event so it good to see that Bendis hasn't "Bendisized" T'Challa yet.[/QUOTE]
So I'm not the only one who hasn't read a single issue of CW II, then lol
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2314268]So I'm not the only one who hasn't read a single issue of CW II, then lol[/QUOTE]
Ha! All I needed to know was two words -"Bendis" and "event".
That was more than enough reason for me not to pick this up.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2314265]The Coates run is already influencing the movie, apparently. Coogler mentioned it in a recent interview. Chadwick said he's been reading it too.[/QUOTE]
Hopefully in a not what to do method.
Be a real shame for that woke brother Coogler to frak this up when the two White Dudes got the Character Right.
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[QUOTE=JediKage;2314763]Hopefully in a not what to do method.
Be a real shame for that woke brother Coogler to frak this up when the two White Dudes got the Character Right.[/QUOTE]
Judging from some of Coogler's comments, he appears to be a fan of Coates work. Though I'm doubtful it'll be any sort of direct translation of his work onto the movie.
[url]http://www.vulture.com/2016/07/ryan-coogler-ta-nehisi-coates-panther.html[/url]
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In Feige I Trust
I don't care who the writers are, director, composer, ect
As long as Feige is around, and until he messes up, I can count on, at a minimum, an above average action movie with the focus on the lead hero + some comedy.
So... the exact opposite of Coates run.
I ain't worried one bit.
Re: CWII
T'challa is just pure background. In fact, everyone but Stark and Carol have been pretty much background or used as story telling devices (Hulk, Clint, now Miles).
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[QUOTE=Rumble;2314038]The Avengers episode today was fantastic. As perfect of an introduction as you could give to BP. The spirit of T'Chadwick was strong in that one.
Interesting that they chose Aneka, as opposed to Okoye. Also the subtle re-purposing of the doras that they implied at the end.
Once again they made Klaw formidable and someone that needs a big team up to take down.
Been waiting for months for this one episode, and about damn time. It'll be interesting next when he's interacting with vision, captain marvel, ms marvel and the rest of the new squad.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it was awesome. I can't wait to see more
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2314953]In Feige I Trust
I don't care who the writers are, director, composer, ect
As long as Feige is around, and until he messes up, I can count on, at a minimum, an above average action movie with the focus on the lead hero + some comedy.
So... the exact opposite of Coates run.
I ain't worried one bit.
Re: CWII
T'challa is just pure background. In fact, everyone but Stark and Carol have been pretty much background or used as story telling devices (Hulk, Clint, now Miles).[/QUOTE]
I think being background in events like Civil War is the least awful thing that can happen to you.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2314781]Judging from some of Coogler's comments, he appears to be a fan of Coates work. [B]Though I'm doubtful it'll be any sort of direct translation of his work onto the movie.
[/B]
[url]http://www.vulture.com/2016/07/ryan-coogler-ta-nehisi-coates-panther.html[/url][/QUOTE]
I'm confident it won't be a direct translation. At best, it'll be just as we've all expected concerning the other runs: the movie will take bits and pieces of various runs and use them to fit the overall story.
Speaking of runs influencing the MCU, here's what we have so far:
-Stan and Jack = T'Challa, T'Chaka, Klaw, and Wakanda.
-McGregor = Killmonger.
-Priest = Nakia, Okoye, Everett Ross, and the Dora Mijale.
-Hudlin = The Doras as a unit (implied, so far).
We haven't heard of/seen stuff from Mayberry and Hickman run. I suspect we'll see something resembling the KOTD ability of seeing the previous panthers. I'm not sure yet what Mayberry stuff we'll see. Perhaps Aneka will make a quick appearance.
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[QUOTE=Agent Z;2315080]I think being background in events like Civil War is the least awful thing that can happen to you.[/QUOTE]
True, it could've been worse.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2315089]True, it could've been worse.[/QUOTE]
[B] True, it's still a boring AF event, it seems kinda forced and not very impactful, cw seemed much better in regards to even what T'Challa was up to[/B]
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2315081]I'm confident it won't be a direct translation. At best, it'll be just as we've all expected concerning the other runs: the movie will take bits and pieces of various runs and use them to fit the overall story.
Speaking of runs influencing the MCU, here's what we have so far:
-Stan and Jack = T'Challa, T'Chaka, Klaw, and Wakanda.
-McGregor = Killmonger.
-Priest = Nakia, Okoye, Everett Ross, and the Dora Mijale.
-Hudlin = The Doras as a unit (implied, so far).
We haven't heard of/seen stuff from Mayberry and Hickman run. I suspect we'll see something resembling the KOTD ability of seeing the previous panthers. I'm not sure yet what Mayberry stuff we'll see. Perhaps Aneka will make a quick appearance.[/QUOTE]
They probably won't be able to jam everything in the first movie, and obviously shouldn't try.
But down the line I wouldn't be shocked if we saw some variation of the Midnight Angels and Shadow Physics. I do think Maeberry added some good stuff to the mythos to play with.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2315081]I'm confident it won't be a direct translation. At best, it'll be just as we've all expected concerning the other runs: the movie will take bits and pieces of various runs and use them to fit the overall story.
Speaking of runs influencing the MCU, here's what we have so far:
-Stan and Jack = T'Challa, T'Chaka, Klaw, and Wakanda.
-McGregor = Killmonger.
-Priest = Nakia, Okoye, Everett Ross, and the Dora Mijale.
-Hudlin = The Doras as a unit (implied, so far).
We haven't heard of/seen stuff from Mayberry and Hickman run. I suspect we'll see something resembling the KOTD ability of seeing the previous panthers. I'm not sure yet what Mayberry stuff we'll see. Perhaps Aneka will make a quick appearance.[/QUOTE]
With Priest, you can add Vibranium weave suit to the list.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2315124]They probably won't be able to jam everything in the first movie, and obviously shouldn't try.
But down the line I wouldn't be shocked if we saw some variation of the Midnight Angels and Shadow Physics. I do think Maeberry added some good stuff to the mythos to play with.[/QUOTE]
I think Shadow Physics is heavily slept on. T'challa invented something that could cut through solid vibranium! They really should flesh that out, and show how valuable it actually is.
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[QUOTE=mbeezy561;2315299]I think Shadow Physics is heavily slept on. T'challa invented something that could cut through solid vibranium! They really should flesh that out, and show how valuable it actually is.[/QUOTE]
That is what happens when you make something up in an event/comic no one likes and gives a poop about.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2315130]With Priest, you can add Vibranium weave suit to the list.[/QUOTE]
Forgot about that. It was indeed a Priest add-on.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2315304]That is what happens when you make something up in an event/comic no one likes and gives a poop about.[/QUOTE]
[B]Which if you think about it, it would be one way to upgrade Klaw to give him a little more edge in defending himself from T'challa's vibranium weapons. And make him a more powerful threat[/B]
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[QUOTE=XPac;2315124][B]They probably won't be able to jam everything in the first movie, and obviously shouldn't try.[/B]
But down the line I wouldn't be shocked if we saw some variation of the Midnight Angels and Shadow Physics. I do think Maeberry added some good stuff to the mythos to play with.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, they won't. Ideally, there will be at least a trilogy for more elements to be included.
Shadow physics would be cool, but it came out during Doomwar, which soured it (and everything Mayberry unfortunately). Maybe the MCU gives it a second look, who knows.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2315370]Indeed, they won't. Ideally, there will be at least a trilogy for more elements to be included.
Shadow physics would be cool, but it came out during Doomwar, which soured it (and everything Mayberry unfortunately). Maybe the MCU gives it a second look, who knows.[/QUOTE]
The Midnight Angels and the Nowhere Room were used, so who knows.
But yeah ... BP books aren't great as far as incorporating stuff from the previous run with any level of consistancy.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2314265]The Coates run is already influencing the movie, apparently. Coogler mentioned it in a recent interview. Chadwick said he's been reading it too.[/QUOTE]
Other than some of the characters design/New map, some of the Shuri/ Dajia stuff, and maybe force push ( only if it's used the way Brain S said it would be) nothing TNC run should be carried over to the movie or let alone to the nxt BP comic series after TNC leaves imo..
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2315370]Indeed, they won't. Ideally, there will be at least a trilogy for more elements to be included.
Shadow physics would be cool, but it came out during Doomwar, which soured it (and everything Mayberry unfortunately). Maybe the MCU gives it a second look, who knows.[/QUOTE]
My problem with Shadow Physics is that there's really no clear definition of what it actually IS (unlike, for example, the claws or even the force push). The page that introduced it is vague enough that the term "Shadow Physics" might as well be replaced with "Deus Ex Plot":
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIOSiGiUYAAmuSf.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2315693]My problem with Shadow Physics is that there's really no clear definition of what it actually IS (unlike, for example, the claws or even the force push). The page that introduced it is vague enough that the term "Shadow Physics" might as well be replaced with "Deus Ex Plot":
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIOSiGiUYAAmuSf.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[B] Considering we never saw it again.. I agree. Which is a shame because it could if been really cool and a nice addition to his tool set [/B]
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[QUOTE=4sake Baned;2315661]Other than some of the characters design/New map, some of the Shuri/ Dajia stuff, and maybe force push ( only if it's used the way Brain S said it would be) nothing TNC run should be carried over to the movie or let alone to the nxt BP comic series after TNC leaves imo..[/QUOTE]
Repeating this post for posterity. Get rid of the Farce Push.
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Watch online cartoons.net has the New Panther episode
Incase anyone missed T'challa's cartoon debut on that horrible series.
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Shsdow physics needed invented by someone who liked the character and was gonna stat long term
Not someine who wanted to write a doom event and bounce
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2315844]Shsdow physics needed invented by someone who liked the character and was gonna stat long term
Not someine who wanted to write a doom event and bounce[/QUOTE]
And was seemingly interviewing to write other characters/ comics franchises while they were sopposed to be writing & having the BP myths best interest in mind in their BP related stories..
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2315844]Shsdow physics needed invented by someone who liked the character and was gonna stat long term
Not someine who wanted to write a doom event and bounce[/QUOTE]
If Coates had invented Shadow Physics, gotten rid of the rape camps and not have T'Challa look inept, then he would have won over a lot more long time fans.
Instead of the Farce Push, Goon Slam Gary would have swung on T'Challa only to hit air as T'Challa side 'ports and used his mystic "Spock touch" to render him harmless. Zenzi's powers would have been useless against BP as he uses his KotD powers to channel the spirit of the previous Panthers forcing her powers upon herself. And that tree stunt with Tetu would have meant nothing as T'Challa 'ported out of reach and then got in close with his reflexes to deliver the final, bone crushing, jaw breaking, make you shoot spittle and teeth out of your mouth right uppercut to the jaw.
But alas, we must endeavor to persevere whilst T'Challa searches for the man he used to be.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2315844]Shsdow physics needed invented by someone who liked the character and was gonna stat long term
Not someine who wanted to write a doom event and bounce[/QUOTE]
It was invented in time of need. Maeberry took something off the board and introduced something to fill the gap.
But since the thing Shadow Physics was supposed to replace returne so quicklyd, the actual need for Shadow Physics was pretty much gone. Which isn't to say it still couldn't be used if a writer wanted too, but it was no longer a need as T'Calla got his cool thing back.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2315879]If Coates had invented Shadow Physics, gotten rid of the rape camps and not have T'Challa look inept, then he would have won over a lot more long time fans.
Instead of the Farce Push, Goon Slam Gary would have swung on T'Challa only to hit air as T'Challa side 'ports and used his mystic "Spock touch" to render him harmless. Zenzi's powers would have been useless against BP as he uses his KotD powers to channel the spirit of the previous Panthers forcing her powers upon herself. And that tree stunt with Tetu would have meant nothing as T'Challa 'ported out of reach and then got in close with his reflexes to deliver the final, bone crushing, jaw breaking, make you shoot spittle and teeth out of your mouth right uppercut to the jaw.
But alas, we must endeavor to persevere whilst T'Challa searches for the man he used to be.[/QUOTE]
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