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[QUOTE=Hypestyle;2262147]the Panther-vehicles in the film need to be impressive. He needs a cool road car as well as a cool boat, and we've already seen a jet-- though we can still see a new one, for sure. I'd also like to see a sky bike.[/QUOTE]
I would like to see these too, though forgive me if i don't recall T'Challa ever having a boat. Would still be cool though.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;2261721]Going by what has blown up in comics type movies before, you what your villain to be somebody that A)can act and B)can be sympathetic.
Like Fassbinder.
Michael Jai White can fight, but his acting up to a certain point is ehhhh.
[B]That is not a brother you want attempting an African type accent.[/B][/QUOTE]
Wasn't Killmonger in the US for a long time, before coming back to Wakanda? They might play on that concerning MBJ's potential accent, if any.
[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;2262300]How exactly will Killmonger use the accords considering Wakanda has voiced their support for it? At this level it makes no sense to me[/QUOTE]
Concerning this rumor, all we know is that King T'Chaka, and thus the Royal family and the Wakandan government, support the accords. How the Wakandan people feel about the accords has been left wide open. That is a rumor that doesn't seem far-fetched, imho, especially in light of T'Chaka being killed very recently.
That said, I do agree with the rest of the rumors, they are probably bs.
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A Who is the BP adaptation works easiest imo.
Cia and ross involvement is just them trying to gwt inro wakanda. Same 3xact intro with ross narating.
Killmonger and klaw form alliance. Klaw wants vibranium, killmonger wants the title.
Klaw fights nakia and okeye in mound. Nakia and klaw seemingly die in explosion. Nakia is turned to malice for sequels. Klaw can be brought back as living sound in masters of evil if they really want.
Bp puts 2 daggers in killmongers chests and kills him dead at warrior falls. Tells cia to F off
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2262496]A Who is the BP adaptation works easiest imo.
Cia and ross involvement is just them trying to gwt inro wakanda. Same 3xact intro with ross narating.
Killmonger and klaw form alliance. Klaw wants vibranium, killmonger wants the title.
Klaw fights nakia and okeye in mound. Nakia and klaw seemingly die in explosion. Nakia is turned to malice for sequels. Klaw can be brought back as living sound in masters of evil if they really want.
Bp puts 2 daggers in killmongers chests and kills him dead at warrior falls. Tells cia to F off[/QUOTE]
While I do think some variation of Who is the Bp works VERY well as a movie (for the exact same reasons it worked very well as an intro arc to the book) I can't help but think they're going to sneak an infinity stone somewhere in there as this is the movie right before Infinity War. It's their last chance to build towards that. So I almost think that needs to be worked in there somewhere.
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[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;2262300]I really hope the 'leaked' info isn't true because for me it has some problems:
[list][*]MCU Erik Killmonger being Wakanda's strongest warrior doesn't really sound like MU Erik or MU M'Baku or MU Hunter, and this info sounds like a combination of the three. IIRC M'Baku is stated to be second only to T'Challa and Killmonger is at least T'Challa's equal but [I]has never beaten him in a fair fight[/I], or has done so only once (IIRC the second time, Tchalla was distracted and the third time, Monica Rambeau intervened), [B]and Hunter is not even near T'Challa's level[/B]. And the Russo brothers (sort of) already stated the T'Challa is Wakanda's strongest warrior in an interview I can't find atm. The only way i can see this sort of working is if Erik is one of Wakanda's best [I]soldiers[/I], is [I]one of[/I] Wakanda's best warriors, or is the best in his village.[*]MCU Erik Killmonger being the one to take the crown but T'Challa taking it to avenge his father instead is really quite dumb. We already know that T'Challa was [I]a[/I] Black Panther by the time of CA:CW (as stated by the Russo brothers or the screenplay writers some time ago, hence him having his own Black Panther habit and the powers), became king (as MindofShadow already stated) and chose to no longer avenge his father [I]in the same movie[/I]. If T'Challa wants to avenge his father now in this movie, it will just take away from the (great) character development he had in CA:CW.[*]Nakia being a childhood friend of T'Challa and then becoming a member of his Dora Milaje sounds weird. It sounds like they're trying to throw a little Storm in there but I can't see that working, especially with a love triangle including Killmonger. Though at least it will confirm those Lupita as love interest rumours.[*]How exactly will Killmonger use the accords considering Wakanda has voiced their support for it? At this level it makes no sense to me[*]Four white American/European men in the cast doesn't really sound like "90% African American or African" to me, and three of those white characters have no affiliation with the CIA, which Lupita let slip.[*]Exploring the mythology of the Black Panther and the traditions and customs of Wakanda sounds good, though I think Kevin Feige already said this so it's nothing new.[/list]
All in all, this doesn't really sound like a political thriller to me, and Feige described the Black Panther movie as a "geopolitical adventure", which to me, sounds like a lot of travelling? I'm not sure.
Either way, like many others, I call BS.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I wish Hunter was more badass, T'Challa dispatched of him pretty effortlessly, a mon with the training Hunter had should be a force to be feared, especially given his position in the royal house.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2260245]Coates seems to be on a bit of a [B]girl power[/B] kick, so it's as likely a time as ever to possibly at least mention other female BP's. They're obviously long dead so we shouldn't expect a whole lot, even if it is shown.[/QUOTE]
By Bast I hate the term "girl power" because most of the time when people use it they are actually discussing women, not girls. I think society needs to come up with another phrase that doesn't sound so childish (and "boy power" would sound just as childish). But yeah, I would be surprised if Coates didn't try to incorporate some female BPs somewhere in his run or in the World of Wakanda book (even if that book is being written by someone else).
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[QUOTE=MoneySpider;2262789]By Bast I hate the term "girl power" because most of the time when people use it they are actually discussing women, not girls. I think society needs to come up with another phrase that doesn't sound so childish (and "boy power" would sound just as childish). But yeah, I would be surprised if Coates didn't try to incorporate some female BPs somewhere in his run or in the World of Wakanda book (even if that book is being written by someone else).[/QUOTE]
Thing is, it was young women and younger feminists who started using the term girl power as a way reappropriate "girl" which often was used in patronizing ways. The point was to flip it and use it in a empowering way.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2262644]While I do think some variation of Who is the Bp works VERY well as a movie (for the exact same reasons it worked very well as an intro arc to the book) I can't help but think they're going to sneak an infinity stone somewhere in there as this is the movie right before Infinity War. It's their last chance to build towards that. So I almost think that needs to be worked in there somewhere.[/QUOTE]
I think they are gonna save the last one for IW.
Strange will definitely have one. Ragnorak could.
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[QUOTE=memnoch;2262713]Yeah I wish Hunter was more badass, T'Challa dispatched of him pretty effortlessly, a mon with the training Hunter had should be a force to be feared, especially given his position in the royal house.[/QUOTE]
Hunter is a badass imo. Just his attitude in general is boss.unfortunately for him, he is just normal human. He could be skilled AF and cunning as hrll butvwhen his main adversary is skilled AF, even more cunning, and enhanced.... hes screwed.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2261559]Incorrect.
There's a female Black Panther depicted in the very last scan you posted. (The one wearing thejeweled mask. )[/QUOTE]
It's pays to pay attention to details instead of looking for non-existening problems
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2263040]Hunter is a badass imo. Just his attitude in general is boss.unfortunately for him, he is just normal human. He could be skilled AF and cunning as hrll butvwhen his main adversary is skilled AF, even more cunning, and enhanced.... hes screwed.[/QUOTE]
He should try and get his hands on that synthetic heart shaped herb Killmonger gave Kasper Cole. Not that it would give him enough of an edge to beat T'Challa or even necessarily fight him evenly but at least he wouldn't necessarily be cumberstomped.
But yeah... regardless of how he performs against T'Challa in a straight fight, he's a cool character.
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[B]I would be okay if they used hunter as long as the Hatut Zeraze were put into the movie [/B]
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I think he is better saved for movie 2 if at all. Not sure he really fits mcu all that well.
I really like him in comics but movie.... eh seems crowded ish. Still havent even cast Ramonda or Shuri yet, let alone at least one older wakandan used to the okd days and you need at least one of those (syan, wkabi, zuri, taku, ect).
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Id imagine BP will follow the Thor model...
Thor = BP
Asgard = Wakanda
Odin = Ramoda
Jane = ???? Nakia? Monica?
Warriors 3 = okeye, nakia? Shuri? Zuri?
Frost Giants = CIA
Frigga = grumpy uncle
Loki/Destroyer = killmonger, klaw
Darcy = Ross
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[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;2262300]I really hope the 'leaked' info isn't true because for me it has some problems:
[list][*]MCU Erik Killmonger being the one to take the crown but T'Challa taking it to avenge his father instead is really quite dumb. We already know that T'Challa was [I]a[/I] Black Panther by the time of CA:CW (as stated by the Russo brothers or the screenplay writers some time ago, hence him having his own Black Panther habit and the powers), became king (as MindofShadow already stated) and chose to no longer avenge his father [I]in the same movie[/I]. If T'Challa wants to avenge his father now in this movie, it will just take away from the (great) character development he had in CA:CW.[/list]
[/QUOTE]
Note that the MCU Panther mantle seems to be decoupled from the crown. Based on one of T'Challa's lines in the movie, the Panther mantle is more like a ceremonial champion or protector, which is why T'Challa could be Panther before he was king. What we don't know is, in the move-verse, it is common for one person to be both.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2263561]Note that the MCU Panther mantle seems to be decoupled from the crown. Based on one of T'Challa's lines in the movie, the Panther mantle is more like a ceremonial champion or protector, which is why T'Challa could be Panther before he was king. What we don't know is, in the move-verse, it is common for one person to be both.[/QUOTE]
Yep.
Took a note frim priests run there
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[QUOTE=XPac;2263203]He should try and get his hands on that synthetic heart shaped herb Killmonger gave Kasper Cole. Not that it would give him enough of an edge to beat T'Challa or even necessarily fight him evenly but at least he wouldn't necessarily be cumberstomped.
But yeah... regardless of how he performs against T'Challa in a straight fight, he's a cool character.[/QUOTE]
To me, Hunter works best if he can't beat T'Challa in a fight. He's never been about confronting things directly (or even beating T'Challa, since his goal was to convince T'Challa he was right).
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[QUOTE=4sake Baned;2263157]It's pays to pay attention to details instead of looking for non-existening problems[/QUOTE]
I don't think its a non-existent problem. Can you name another female BP besides Shuri?
Didn't think so.
Black women are under represented in comics- both from an in-story perspective and from a creative stand point. Hudlin did a great thing when he created Shuri. But the fact that he had to create Shuri in the first place to serve as a positive role-model is quite telling. The fact that you, me, and all the supposed "enthusiasts" within this thread can only name 1 female BP is indeed a problem when discussing a nation with a 10,000 year history that is also supposed to be spiritually progressive. We don't even know for sure if the BP with jeweled mask is a female. Looking at the pic again, I can see why some might think that BP is female, but I would like concrete confirmation. But if you're ok with the Wakandan sausage fest, by all means keep thinking this is a "non-existent" problem.
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[QUOTE=4sake Baned;2263157]It's pays to pay attention to details instead of looking for non-existening problems[/QUOTE]
You ain't never lied my brotha 4sake Baned.
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What do you all think of this new map of Wakanda?
[CENTER][IMG]http://66.media.tumblr.com/0fa162f82423da10f105206bb4e4c3df/tumblr_oazqvu12ks1qdwahko1_540.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER]
I do like the inclusion of other cities besides the Golden City/ Birnan Zana.
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[QUOTE=nj06;2263782]I don't think its a non-existent problem. Can you name another female BP besides Shuri?
Didn't think so.[/QUOTE]
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If there's a "problem" (as you put it) who created said problem?
Certainly not 4sake baned or anyone else postin in this thread.
We can already see the amount of hate characters like Riri and Lunella Lafayette catch from certain fans in response to their own books so maybe it's worth acknowledging the fact that even when new characters are created, the hurdles they face as regards acceptance, is even further made difficult by the amount of pushback they get from readers frothing at the mouth about "forced" diversity.[/SIZE]
[QUOTE=nj06;2263782]Black women are under represented in comics- both from an in-story perspective and from a creative stand point. Hudlin did a great thing when he created Shuri. But the fact that he had to create Shuri in the first place to serve as a positive role-model is quite telling. The fact that you, me, and all the supposed "enthusiasts" within this thread can only name 1 female BP is indeed a problem when discussing a nation with a 10,000 year history that is also supposed to be spiritually progressive. We don't even know for sure if the BP with jeweled mask is a female. Looking at the pic again, I can see why some might think that BP is female, but I would like concrete confirmation. But if you're ok with the Wakandan sausage fest, by all means keep thinking this is a "non-existent" problem.[/QUOTE][SIZE=3]
There was nothing in 4sake Baned's post that indicated that he had a problem with the inclusion or exploration of more female Black Panther's (past, present or future) so I'm not sure what you're argument is about at this juncture.
As you more than rightly stated in your post, Reginald Hudlin did a magnificent thing in creating Shuri long before Marvel suddenly discovered the importance of encouraging a much more diverse reader demographic. The tragedy that lies in most of what's befallen the BP mythos post Hudlin, is how marginalised within the MU T'Challa and Wakanda became by Marvel themselves.
How many times was Shuri featured outside the core Black Panther book during Jonathan Maberry and David Liss's runs respectively?
Even within this very thread, there have been many who've railed against SDhuri being the reason why T'Challa hasn't (in their opinion) been front and centre and this despite the fact that T'Challa was 100% in full attendance during David Liss's run with Shuri only appearing sporadically during the [B]Kingpin of Wakanda arc[/B].
I would have loved to read about different Black Panthers down through the ages and it goes without saying, that female Black Panthers would definitely number amongst the distinguished body of rulers I'd be enthused to see.
As far as I'm concerned, the bejeweled masked Black Panther is female but you're free to percieve whatever you choose to if it makes you happy.
As a supposedly "woke" writer, Coates has a unique opportunity to address some of the issues you've ably raised within your post.
Hopefully, he might eventually get round to exploring these concepts when he gets tired of writing about rape camps and created for drama gender inequalities within Wakanda that never existed in the BP mythos before he started writing that mess into the aforementioned mythos.[/SIZE]
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[QUOTE=nj06;2263782]I don't think its a non-existent problem. Can you name another female BP besides Shuri?
Didn't think so.
Black women are under represented in comics- both from an in-story perspective and from a creative stand point. Hudlin did a great thing when he created Shuri. But the fact that he had to create Shuri in the first place to serve as a positive role-model is quite telling. The fact that you, me, and all the supposed "enthusiasts" within this thread can only name 1 female BP is indeed a problem when discussing a nation with a 10,000 year history that is also supposed to be spiritually progressive. We don't even know for sure if the BP with jeweled mask is a female. Looking at the pic again, I can see why some might think that BP is female, but I would like concrete confirmation. But if you're ok with the Wakandan sausage fest, by all means keep thinking this is a "non-existent" problem.[/QUOTE]
Less than 1% of BPs have been named period. Instead of nit picking random name drops that mean absolutely nothing, why not instead focus on the fact that the BP mythos have produced and focused on POC woman such as:
- Queen Mother Ramada, currently the most important supporting character to Tchalla
- Shuri- one of, if not the first woman poc to anchor a solo.
- Nakia/Malice- one of the few female poc villains
- Storm- tried to elevate her above her status in books, could have been a prominent X character and a prominent non X character (something only wolverine has accomplished ) until X office dragged her back to her status quo
- QDJ, Okeye,Sonja, monica,
- princess zanda or whatever in kirby run
- the elite soldiers in doom shit were female
- mastermibd behind panthers prey was female, panthers rage had another female villain
- currently about to spin off focusing on aneka and ayo.. black and queer.
- zenzi is current villain.
Things could always be better but the bp franchise has used numerous woman (mostly poc woman)in a variety of roles in every single run.
Hopefully someone creative uses the KotD powers or uses the frogs so we can get a better look at some of the 1000+ BPs in thier history, female and male
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[QUOTE=nj06;2263808]What do you all think of this new map of Wakanda?
[CENTER][IMG]http://66.media.tumblr.com/0fa162f82423da10f105206bb4e4c3df/tumblr_oazqvu12ks1qdwahko1_540.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER]
I do like the inclusion of other cities besides the Golden City/ Birnan Zana.[/QUOTE]
I think it's an improvement over some of the naming decisions of McGregor's map. Awhile back, I compared the two maps and found some interesting points of similarities. The golden city and great mound seem to be flipped, though.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2263836]Less than 1% of BPs have been named period. Instead of nit picking random name drops that mean absolutely nothing, why not instead focus on the fact that the BP mythos have produced and focused on POC woman such as:
- Queen Mother Ramada, currently the most important supporting character to Tchalla
- Shuri- one of, if not the first woman poc to anchor a solo.
- Nakia/Malice- one of the few female poc villains
- Storm- tried to elevate her above her status in books, could have been a prominent X character and a prominent non X character (something only wolverine has accomplished ) until X office dragged her back to her status quo
- QDJ, Okeye,Sonja, monica,
- princess zanda or whatever in kirby run
- the elite soldiers in doom shit were female
- mastermibd behind panthers prey was female, panthers rage had another female villain
- currently about to spin off focusing on aneka and ayo.. black and queer.
- zenzi is current villain.
Things could always be better but the bp franchise has used numerous woman (mostly poc woman)in a variety of roles in every single run.
Hopefully someone creative uses the KotD powers or uses the frogs so we can get a better look at some of the 1000+ BPs in thier history, female and male[/QUOTE]
Awesome post MoS. :cool:
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2263819][SIZE=3]
If there's a "problem" (as you put it) who created said problem?
Certainly not 4sake baned or anyone else postin in this thread.[/QUOTE]
I didn't state he or anyone in this thread created said problem. Why would I? None of us serve as creators for Marvel.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2263819]We can already see the amount of hate characters like Riri and Lunella Lafayette catch from certain fans in response to their own books so maybe it's worth acknowledging the fact that even when new characters are created, the hurdles they face as regards acceptance, is even further made difficult by the amount of pushback they get from readers frothing at the mouth about "forced" diversity.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Indeed and this is unfortunate. But Riri and Lunella have their own titles. I don't think showcasing or even mentioning the names of few female Black Panthers in the same vein that T'Challa's male ancestors were displayed/mentioned would create too much push back. Do you? I don't want them to have their own titles (unless its Shuri). But drawing or stating the names of a few female BP's would be nice.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2263819][SIZE=3]
There was nothing in 4sake Baned's post that indicated that he had a problem with the inclusion or exploration of more female Black Panther's (past, present or future) so I'm not sure what you're argument is about at this juncture.[/QUOTE]
I didn't state he had a problem with the inclusion/exploration of more female BP's past, present, or future. I disagreed with the fact that he feels the lack of female BP's is "non-existent problem". Particularly since no one can mention the name of a female BP besides Shuri.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2263819]I would have loved to read about different Black Panthers down through the ages and it goes without saying, that female Black Panthers would definitely number amongst the distinguished body of rulers I'd be enthused to see.[/QUOTE]
Do you think that the fact that we only know 1 female BP by name despite Wakanda having a 10,000 year history and the fact that said mythos has existed for decades is a non-existent issue when one considers the lack of representation of Black women in comics? Yes or no?
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2263836]Less than 1% of BPs have been named period.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and of those named, we only have 1 woman. I would like to read about more. Why do you seem resistant to read/learn about female BP's besides Shuri?
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2263836]Instead of nit picking random name drops that mean absolutely nothing[/QUOTE]
But I don't think it means "absolutely nothing" and I'm not trying to nit-pick. I just think it is important to show that women have ruled, defended, protected, and contributed to a 10,000 year old warrior nation that's also technologically and spiritually advanced. If you don't think its important to show women as BP's then that's your prerogative. I also think it would be a great way to bring in more female readers as well.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2263836]why not instead focus on the fact that the BP mythos have produced[/QUOTE]
Because I can do both. I can focus on the women you mentioned and enjoy them as characters, but I can also have the desire to read about female BPs too.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2263836]Things could always be better but the bp franchise has used numerous woman (mostly poc woman)[B]in a variety of roles in every single run.[/B][/QUOTE]
Except, you know, as BP's. I'm not trying to nit-pick. If thats how you interpret my post, so be it. Yes, the BP mythos has produced many women of color who have played significant roles within said mythos. I agree with you all 100% in that regard. But I think it would also be good if creators also showed us the women who have ruled as BP's throughout Wakanda's history.
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[QUOTE=nj06;2263866]Do you think that the fact that we only know 1 female BP by name despite Wakanda having a 10,000 year history and the fact that said mythos has existed for decades is a non-existent issue when one considers the lack of representation of Black women in comics? Yes or no?[/QUOTE]
Considering the fact I never took a pro/anti position on the question in the first place, I'm not sure why you're asking me this question/
I feel that my unswerving support for Queen Shuri as my preferred Black Panther, should serve as answer enough.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2263836]Hopefully someone creative uses the KotD powers or uses the frogs so we can get a better look at some of the 1000+ BPs in thier history, female and male[/QUOTE]
Agreed 100%.
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[QUOTE=nj06;2263782]I don't think its a non-existent problem. Can you name another female BP besides Shuri?
Didn't think so.
Black women are under represented in comics- both from an in-story perspective and from a creative stand point. Hudlin did a great thing when he created Shuri. But the fact that he had to create Shuri in the first place to serve as a positive role-model is quite telling. The fact that you, me, and all the supposed "enthusiasts" within this thread can only name 1 female BP is indeed a problem when discussing a nation with a 10,000 year history that is also supposed to be spiritually progressive. We don't even know for sure if the BP with jeweled mask is a female. Looking at the pic again, I can see why some might think that BP is female, but I would like concrete confirmation. [B]But if you're ok with the Wakandan sausage fest, by all means keep thinking this is a "non-existent" problem.[/B][/QUOTE]
To be fair to all that is a question you need to ask the EDITOR of the book.
If they don't approve it you don't get to see it.
Not every editor has the guts to allow stuff when they look around and see the hate for Riri & Moon Girl. The fear of distraction about the content of the book due to one chracter (see Duke Thomas in Batman).
With a spinoff book coming we can hopefully see an expansion of female in the kingdom and maybe a lesson on all the previous Panthers including those who were female.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2263891]Considering the fact I never took a pro/anti position on the question in the first place, I'm not sure why you're asking me this question/[/QUOTE]
What are you not sure about? My question was very direct and clear. It doesn't require one to be pro or anti anything when its a fact that there is a lack of female BP's having been shown in the BP mythos. You've always been vocal and direct in regards to your feelings about the BP mythos. Why are you all of a sudden reluctant to give a straight answer as to whether you find it to be a non-existent issue or not?
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[QUOTE=nj06;2263906]What are you not sure about? My question was very direct and clear. It doesn't require one to be pro or anti anything when its a fact that there is a lack of female BP's having been shown in the BP mythos. You've always been vocal and direct in regards to your feelings about the BP mythos. Why are you all of a sudden reluctant to give a straight answer as to whether you find it to be a non-existent issue or not?[/QUOTE]
If your question was as straight forward as you seem to think it was, it would have elicited an equally direct response from me.
You gets what you pays for my dear fellow.
As far as I'm concerned, the Black Panther mythos have been ill used by Marvel Editorial for many years now with a truly dedicated creative team being totally non-existent post Hudlin/Liss to explore the full range of story possibilies centred around a 10,000 year civilization untouched by Western Imperialism.
As Skyvolt2000 pointed out, you should really be asking Marvel Editorial why they've been so lackadaisical as regards exploring ancient Wakanda within the BP mythos as regards previous female Black Panther's.
Bast knows they didn't much for Shuri as regarded making her more integral to the MU post Hudlin.
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[QUOTE=nj06;2263889]Yes, and of those named, we only have 1 woman. I would like to read about more. Why do you seem resistant to read/learn about female BP's besides Shuri? [/quote]
I think my last paragraph made it clear ibeoukd gladly take any story involving past panther, male or female.
You are once again projecting and have a victim complex[quote]
But I don't think it means "absolutely nothing" and I'm not trying to nit-pick. I just think it is important to show that women have ruled, defended, protected, and contributed to a 10,000 year old warrior nation that's also technologically and spiritually advanced. If you don't think its important to show women as BP's then that's your prerogative. I also think it would be a great way to bring in more female readers as well. [/quote]
Having tchalla name drop a female panther wont bring a single fan.
If tgey arent going to show up for a title staring a living breathing female panther then why would they suddenly appear because ofva name drop or background picture.
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Because I can do both. I can focus on the women you mentioned and enjoy them as characters, but I can also have the desire to read about female BPs too.[/quote]
So u bought volume 5, doom shit, and klaws right? [Quote]
Except, you know, as BP's.[/QUOTE]
There have been exactly 3 Panthers who have had any sort of story about them
Azz in Flags
Tchalla
Shuri
And tchakas role is to die.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2263853]I think it's an improvement over some of the naming decisions of McGregor's map. Awhile back, I compared the two maps and found some interesting points of similarities. The golden city and great mound seem to be flipped, though.[/QUOTE]
Its definitely more thought out than mcgregors
Being surrounded on three sides by natural barriers woykd make it much harder to conquer
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[QUOTE=nj06;2263889]Yes, and of those named, we only have 1 woman. I would like to read about more. Why do you seem resistant to read/learn about female BP's besides Shuri?
But I don't think it means "absolutely nothing" and I'm not trying to nit-pick. I just think it is important to show that women have ruled, defended, protected, and contributed to a 10,000 year old warrior nation that's also technologically and spiritually advanced. If you don't think its important to show women as BP's then that's your prerogative. I also think it would be a great way to bring in more female readers as well.
Because I can do both. I can focus on the women you mentioned and enjoy them as characters, but I can also have the desire to read about female BPs too.
Except, you know, as BP's. I'm not trying to nit-pick. If thats how you interpret my post, so be it. Yes, the BP mythos has produced many women of color who have played significant roles within said mythos. I agree with you all 100% in that regard. But I think it would also be good if creators also showed us the women who have ruled as BP's throughout Wakanda's history.[/QUOTE]
I think the BP: WoW book would be a great opportunity to look into the past rulers of Wakanda, including the female ruler(s) of the past. Hopefully that is touched on in subsequent story arcs.
As for why previous female BPs weren't mentioned or named before? Probably a combo the nature of the comic book industry and/or the writers simply didn't think of it. However, in fairness to the writers, they helped make the BP franchise well ahead of the curve when it comes to black female representation overall, as MoS, Maj, and others have mentioned.
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Black Panther is about T'challa. It would be nice to read about the title where the title character is shown as a hero, like in many others. That's all
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Indeed and Liss didn't even get a chance to explore Black Panther in Wakanda. He was saddled with a nerfed T'Challa and still elevated the character and showed off his genius and skills. Meanwhile Coates gets a blank check and nerfs and degrades T'Challa and Wakanda every chance he gets.
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[QUOTE=Victor Freeman;2264153]Black Panther is about T'challa. It would be nice to read about the title where the title character is shown as a hero, like in many others. That's all[/QUOTE]
[B]I agree. It's better to have Bp WOW focus on the supporting cast and explore previous female BPs. T'Challas solo needs to shop T'Challa how every other guest appearance has shown him.thayd would be sweet [/B]
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Meh I count those Guest Appearances as actual Canon. Coates is writing FanFic to my mind.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2263853]I think it's an improvement over some of the naming decisions of McGregor's map. Awhile back, I compared the two maps and found some interesting points of similarities. The golden city and great mound seem to be flipped, though.[/QUOTE]
I think McGregor said he basically did the map the night before because it got sprung on him. But yeah, that map looks cool. Not a fan of the flag though. Still prefer the old Atlas one.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;2263024]Thing is, it was young women and younger feminists who started using the term girl power as a way reappropriate "girl" which often was used in patronizing ways. The point was to flip it and use it in a empowering way.[/QUOTE]
As a male, I see nothing empowering about OLDER women (who haven't been girls for decades), with grown or nearly grown kids of their own, running around shouting "girl power" and calling themselves girls and society using the words "girls" and "women" interchangeably as though they are the same thing, which happens all the time now, and even a lot of men are doing it. Sometimes I try to ignore it but it just happens ALL THE TIME it's hard to ignore.
Hopefully Shuri won't refer to herself as a girl anytime soon.