[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3690476][COLOR="#000080"]I'd say a good comicbook writer is missing.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I said it first. Hahaha!
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3690476][COLOR="#000080"]I'd say a good comicbook writer is missing.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I said it first. Hahaha!
[QUOTE=Jabare;3690439]this run is missing some good antagonists I will say that.[/QUOTE]
[B] Seriously Coates has been using villains that people literally gonna "Who?" And have to wiki search to find out who they are, just then to be disappointed that it's some z list nobody that is somehow able to give the most advanced nation on earth trouble. And the two Creator based villains were so weak that a Creator based new supporting cast member was able to literally run up and knock the "Big bad" of season 1 on his ass and could of ended it right there if not for more pos.
Coates doesn't bother to build up baddies, he simply nerfs T'Challa and Wakanda and throws out vague reasons for why Wakanda doesn't just Molly whop the baddies and be done with it (sometimes he can't even be bothered to explain on panel and just lazily outs it in a Twitter post that will be impossible to find a a couple years) but instead call in other heroes to either be required to help them for unknown reasons (needing Eden to rescue Shuri and use KotD power) or bring in a group of heroes to not capture a z list team, making the heroes look bad and kill any sort of hype this team might of had in a spin off..
Yet all of this has been Good for the mythos and Coates has been doing legendary work for that and Wakanda :cool: [/B]
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3690455][B]Your simply dancing around arguments and throwing out weak and vague counter arguments. You still never answered BoG or Nate grey. About why it is logical for Wakanda but not everywhere else.
Or how Wakanda is the new jobber place for z list Villains to prove how dangerous they Are and how Wakanda needs a ton of outside help to save them from these weak ass villains
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I alreay answerd the question... you're just not necessarily understanding my answer, so I'll try again.
It is logicaly for any place to deal with consequences after some big crisis... but whether they do or not is up to the writer. If the writer wants to they can. And if not they can simply move on. Dealing with the consequences is the logical way of handling things, but comics don't necessarily have to be logical because it's fiction. They CAN be logical if the writer wants to go there, but that's merely an option. Not an obligation.
As far as weak ass villains... Adversay is a universal level threat. Considering a good half of T'Challas rogues either don't have powers or are BARELY super human, Adversay is actually a massive step up.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3690480]I said it first. Hahaha![/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Just echoing your thoughts BCB.
We wanted a Afro-Futuristic BP and instead we get 12 years a slave.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Jabare;3690439]this run is missing some good antagonists I will say that.[/QUOTE]
I think the antagonists just need to be used better.
Stane actually works pretty well as a BP rogue. A lot of the higher end Iron Man rogues do, given they usually are intelligent and usually have resources. But he was treated as more of a sub boss. He just needs to come off a little scarier.
And I think Adversary works great personally... I hope the BP mythos can steal him from the X books (not like they would miss him). He's a godlike cosmic level threat. Having one of those in ones rogues gallery is always nice.
[QUOTE=XPac;3690496]I think the antagonists just need to be used better.
[B]Stane actually works pretty well as a BP rogue. A lot of the higher end Iron Man rogues do[/B], given they usually are intelligent and usually have resources. But he was treated as more of a sub boss. He just needs to come off a little scarier.
And I think Adversary works great personally... I hope the BP mythos can steal him from the X books (not like they would miss him). He's a godlike cosmic level threat. Having one of those in ones rogues gallery is always nice.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Stane could be a great rogue for BP, he wasn't used properly.
He's the ultimate anarchist but he was written as a Lex Luthor lite by Coates.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3690424]Which falls apart completely when the superhero IS the government. Because then, HE is at best "incompetent, and corrupt at worst". Which is the bloody problem. The last two storylines basically boil down to "T'Challa sucks at his job".[/QUOTE]
That's unfortunately why the poor guy keeps getting coups. If Wakanda is destroyed like 3-4 times in a row SOME people will start pointing fingers.
Not that anyone else could do a better job than him mind you... but when bad stuff happens (and it's pretty inevitable it will) then the buck often stops with him. At least in the US you can blame Maria Hill but with Wakanda he unfortunately is the scape goat when things go wrong. Or Shuri when she was in charge but he managed to get killed off at just the right time to avoid any of that.
The fact that T'Challa litereally spends half his time in the States with his super hero buddies probably doesn't help matters, at least perception wise. But ultimately, it's not like Wakanda is going to get anyone better. Even a part time T'Challa will do a better job than anyone else they could get on the throne.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3690494][COLOR="#000080"]Just echoing your thoughts BCB.
We wanted a Afro-Futuristic BP and instead we get 12 years a slave.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Apparently, some readers are more than happy with Wakanda: 12 Years A Slave and Django In Space presented by Coates as opposed to Hickman's Wakanda Ascendant: Space Odyssey, The New Frontier.
But hey, as long as guest stars get power ups and unwarranted elevation in T'Challa's solo book, it's all copacetic.
[QUOTE=XPac;3690487]I alreay answerd the question... you're just not necessarily understanding my answer, so I'll try again.
It is logicaly for any place to deal with consequences after some big crisis... but whether they do or not is up to the writer. If the writer wants to they can. And if not they can simply move on. Dealing with the consequences is the logical way of handling things, but comics don't necessarily have to be logical because it's fiction. They CAN be logical if the writer wants to go there, but that's merely an option. Not an obligation.
As far as weak ass villains... Adversay is a universal level threat. Considering a good half of T'Challas rogues either don't have powers or are BARELY super human, Adversay is actually a massive step up.[/QUOTE]
[B]I understand what your saying. But it still doesn't answer why Wakanda is the only place that this is okay for this to happen to. No other place has to deal with the ramifications. You say the writer but bog asked why is this accepted by everyone.
It doesn't matter what a villain is on paper. It matters what happens on panel. Klaw on paper is a nigh cosmic and Avengers level threat and yet over the last few years has been defeated by the likes of gold balls, spiderwoman and moon girl. If Thanos was getting trashed by kid Kaiju then it matters very little what his wiki page says.[/B]
[QUOTE=XPac;3690506]That's unfortunately why the poor guy keeps getting coups. If Wakanda is destroyed like 3-4 times in a row SOME people will start pointing fingers.
Not that anyone else could do a better job than him mind you... but when bad stuff happens (and it's pretty inevitable it will) then the buck often stops with him. At least in the US you can blame Maria Hill but with Wakanda he unfortunately is the scape goat when things go wrong. Or Shuri when she was in charge but he managed to get killed off at just the right time to avoid any of that.
The fact that T'Challa litereally spends half his time in the States with his super hero buddies probably doesn't help matters, at least perception wise. But ultimately, it's not like Wakanda is going to get anyone better. Even a part time T'Challa will do a better job than anyone else they could get on the throne.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]There have only been 3 coup attempts that weren't considered challenges.
Coates Season 1.
The Desturi
Achebe(not even a real coup considering Ramonda was co-ruler with Achebe).
Wakanda isn't getting attacked because it's a monarchy either.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3690506]That's unfortunately why the poor guy keeps getting coups. If Wakanda is destroyed like 3-4 times in a row SOME people will start pointing fingers.
Not that anyone else could do a better job than him mind you... but when bad stuff happens (and it's pretty inevitable it will) then the buck often stops with him. At least in the US you can blame Maria Hill but with Wakanda he unfortunately is the scape goat when things go wrong. Or Shuri when she was in charge but he managed to get killed off at just the right time to avoid any of that.
The fact that T'Challa litereally spends half his time in the States with his super hero buddies probably doesn't help matters, at least perception wise. But ultimately, it's not like Wakanda is going to get anyone better. Even a part time T'Challa will do a better job than anyone else they could get on the throne.[/QUOTE]
[B] Yeah.. only Coates Wakanda is the first and only time in BP's publication history that Wakandas government is so inept that they literally can only seem to Walk and breathe without T'Challas given exact and specific instructions.
This whole premise of the series was flimsy at best and fell apart at the slightest scrutiny and was just a bunch of lazy writing and convience to get to the message ™ everything be Damned[/B]
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3690521][B]I understand what your saying. But it still doesn't answer why Wakanda is the only place that this is okay for this to happen to. No other place has to deal with the ramifications. You say the writer but bog asked why is this accepted by everyone.
It doesn't matter what a villain is on paper. It matters what happens on panel. Klaw on paper is a nigh cosmic and Avengers level threat and yet over the last few years has been defeated by the likes of gold balls, spiderwoman and moon girl. If Thanos was getting trashed by kid Kaiju then it matters very little what his wiki page says.[/B][/QUOTE]
Again, I answered the question. Wakanda will deal with the consequences if the writers chooses to deal with them. I don't know how to answer the question in any other way.
I will say specifically for New York, you will seldom if ever get significant consequences for anything at least as far as the location goes because 90% of the MU operates there. Anything significant would force almost the entire line to accommodate that one status quo shift. So you're more likely to sweep consequeces under the rug there. Because things that happen in Wakanda literally only effect one book under a single writer, dealing with consequence is a much simpler issue. Again, it's up to the writer though. They can deal with it or pass.
But yes, it is fair to say that what matters is what villains do on panel. And I do think you can argue Coates could have made some of the villains used more threatening. I liked his Klaw… best Klaw we've seen in ages. But his Stane could use some work. Hopefully next time Coates uses him, he'll be a big bad rather than a sub boss. He's got potential as a BP rogue.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3690522][COLOR="#000080"]There have only been 3 coup attempts that weren't considered challenges.
Coates Season 1.
The Desturi
Achebe(not even a real coup considering Ramonda was co-ruler with Achebe).
Wakanda isn't getting attacked because it's a monarchy either.
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I never said Wakanda gets attacked because it's a monarchy. But because it is a monarchy, when it's attacked and things don't go well, the blame can start piling on whoever is sitting on the throne (unless that person happens to be killed at an incredibly convenient time like Shuri).
But that's the upside of being a super hero king. T'Challa has different obligations than other heroes, and different consequences when things don't go well... and that allows him to tell different stories than other heroes. We can get things like revolutions and coups in his books because of the nature of his day job.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3690533][B] Yeah.. only Coates Wakanda is the first and only time in BP's publication history that Wakandas government is so inept that they literally can only seem to Walk and breathe without T'Challas given exact and specific instructions.
This whole premise of the series was flimsy at best and fell apart at the slightest scrutiny and was just a bunch of lazy writing and convience to get to the message ™ everything be Damned[/B][/QUOTE]
A lot of times the title character in a book is the only one who seems to have a functional brain.
I recall when Morlun attacked Wakanda, missiles didn't work but Zuri and W'Kabi decided to try their luck with wooden spears. And these were 2 of T'CHalla most trusted right hand men. T'CHalla is dead for like 5 seconds, and these guys are reduced to this. Go figure.
[QUOTE=XPac;3690546]I never said Wakanda gets attacked because it's a monarchy. But because it is a monarchy, when it's attacked and things don't go well, the blame can start piling on whoever is sitting on the throne (unless that person happens to be killed at an incredibly convenient time like Shuri).
But that's the upside of being a super hero king. T'Challa has different obligations than other heroes, and different consequences when things don't go well... and that allows him to tell different stories than other heroes. We can get things like revolutions and coups in his books because of the nature of his day job.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]It doesn't matter what kind of gov't you have, the blame will be placed on the person in charge, be it a king or a president.[/COLOR]