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[QUOTE=XPac;3718682]I suspect some of the decisions were done for streamlining purposes.
If you're deciding to make Eden a part of the supporting cast, you probably don't need teleportation. T'CHallas force field might not be needed if he's already got a suit which absorbs kinetic energy. Sort of like giving Iron Man a force field or the invisible woman armor. There's a degree of redundancy there.
Claws, daggers, and glowing purple boxing gloves to a degree probably overlap too. Not entirely... but again I think an argument can be made that a degree of steamlining makes sense.
But yeah... it's sort of lame that he keeps gaining and losing stuff. I sort of get why in some instances, but he really needs to have his power set standardized.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]The thing is that if T'Challa can port on his own without needing Eden's help, then he just increased his strategical ability. Why have Eden carry everyone when T'Challa can port to one location and Eden can port to another. There's no redundancy in teleportation. You're able to move resources around more effectively.
And they did give Iron Man a force field.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Cville;3718619]I think it is essentially the ultimate teleporter. At least that is how it is used. The distance doesnt matter as long as you can lock on to something on the quantum level. I guess a step below the space gem.
Last time he used it was in The Ultimates to teleport to Galactus's ship.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=XPac;3718635]T'Challa explains it here in Doom War
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As mentioned above the only real practical application we've really seen of it is teleportation. Deadpool used it in Doom War. And T'Challa seemingly used it in Ultimates (though it wasn't referred to as shadow physics by name to my recollection).
Teleportation by Shadow Physics seems to take a pretty high toll on you physically and metally though. Probably why he put Eden on the pay roll.[/QUOTE]
thank you guys for the explanation.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3718637][COLOR="#000080"]It's magic and tech combined. As for what it can do, it was never clearly defined and we never see T'Challa do any magic.
It was poorly defined but should have been something worth exploring. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]
maybe we will see some of this in this new arc.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3718670]Honestly the KotD powers were mostly useless from day one.
Aside from giving him back his previous powers and being able to communitcat with the previous BPs, the only practical application of his powers were being able to control zombies. And honestly how often are zombies around to control in comics? The power can really only be used under very specific circumstances... luckily such a circumstance came up in Battle World. But generally speaking, it's not a power you're going to use too often.
s,[/QUOTE]
[B] Actually it was a very useful power that was under utilitized and lazily done. When Hickman first introduced it, it produced a way for T'Challa to have class 100 strength and nigh omni intellect by combining 10j years of Bp knowledge and strength. But instead, he could talk to BPs.. and control zombie's.. it was lazy on Hickmans part. Something he was very keen at doing. Having interesting ideas then dropping them or forgetting them at a moment's notice[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3718734][B] Actually it was a very useful power that was under utilitized and lazily done. When Hickman first introduced it, it produced a way for T'Challa to have class 100 strength and nigh omni intellect by combining 10j years of Bp knowledge and strength. But instead, he could talk to BPs.. and control zombie's.. it was lazy on Hickmans part. Something he was very keen at doing. Having interesting ideas then dropping them or forgetting them at a moment's notice[/B][/QUOTE]
The thing is, I don't think Hickman ever said or intended KotD to give him class 100 strength. Give him that much of a power boost and he starts being Superman rather than Black Panther.
Honestly I think the point of the KotD thing in large part was just to get him back to status quo (or perhaps a notch above it). When Hickman began writing the character, he was depowered. KotD gives him his previous powers back and allows him to call himself a king without taking anything away from Shuri.
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Nah... Hickman gave T'Challa the KotD powers because he had an idea for a cool scene involving a zombie army. That's why he didn't even mention them after one use (with those young Wakandans) until SECRET WARS. That's his pattern: treating characters like cogs in the plot.
He didn't care about T'Challa. He didn't care about ANY character, once their role in the plot was served.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3718452]
I don't want nuM'baku brought back. real M'baku is 100% fixable is someone is willing to put any effort at all into this. They used to be friends afterall.
If anyone comes back, it should be new Nakia. [/QUOTE]
I agree with that. IIRC, M'Baku is back from the dead since he was in Standoff. To me, the movie character softened his edges but got the character basically right. I don't think comics M'Baku becoming more like the movie version would change the character that much. Nakia, on the other hand, is an entirely different character. That being said, we're basing an awful lot on one issue.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3718484]
Not sure if I will read the ending of KKK with you since I haen't read the original story in so long I probably wont' understand it. I remember mcgregors KKK to be one fo hte worst stories of all time however. [/quote]
Hmmm, I'm wondering if it's better to stop now and come back later and do the Black Panther vs. KKK story as a whole. I thought there was a lot more overlap than there actually was. The Monica stuff was basically in the background and didn't play a prominent role so I suspect the transition was more direct than I was expecting. Maybe that's what I'll do, with the guest appearances in July or August before doing the KKK story some time after that.
[quote]If you are looking for other old stories to read, in addition to vol 2 (the most underrated story of all time) and IM annual and Cable:
- tales of suspense/cap 100
- numerous DD guest apperances like DD 52
- defenders 84 (kiber island incident)
- avengers 126
- avengers 62 (mbaku origin)[/QUOTE]
Thanks for that list. I'll play around with it a bit. #126 doesn't feel like a story with much consequence so I might skip that. On the other hand, I might bring in the first appearance of Monica Lynne. We'll see. And I'll definitely need you chiming in for Black Panther Volume 2 since I think you have a more positive experience with that story than I do.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3718742]The thing is, I don't think Hickman ever said or intended KotD to give him class 100 strength. Give him that much of a power boost and he starts being Superman rather than Black Panther.
Honestly I think the point of the KotD thing in large part was just to get him back to status quo (or perhaps a notch above it). When Hickman began writing the character, he was depowered. KotD gives him his previous powers back and allows him to call himself a king without taking anything away from Shuri.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-75qIOyxbTUI/VmA7iwBZ5xI/AAAAAAAAiPQ/130qGEo8QHI/s1600/3904238-screen%252Bshot%252B2014-06-19%252Bat%252B4.56.32%252Bpm.jpg[/Img]
[B]That doesn't sound like just getting up to status quo. And. Good writer with creativity could run with the idea. There's plenty of ways to utilize the power easily without making him Superman. That's a poor excuse. If anything, the zombie control seemed random and left field given how the actual panel addressed the power boost [/B]
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[QUOTE=dkrook;3718555]Whoa i thought that Shadow Physics was tech and magic combined.[/QUOTE]
He did.
That came AFTER he got his ass beat by magic/tech Doom. That is when he changed his thinking and put more magic in his ****.
That is also when he turned to Zawari and the other mystics and got powered up by alchemy/magic.
Doom's brutal ass beating is what changed his position.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3718742]The thing is, I don't think Hickman ever said or intended KotD to give him class 100 strength. Give him that much of a power boost and he starts being Superman rather than Black Panther.
Honestly I think the point of the KotD thing in large part was just to get him back to status quo (or perhaps a notch above it). When Hickman began writing the character, he was depowered. KotD gives him his previous powers back and allows him to call himself a king without taking anything away from Shuri.[/QUOTE]
I disagree, giving T'challa 100 class strength doesn't make him anything close to "Superman" it just means people couldn't rank him as street level. Good writers craft stories for stronger characters all the time and i think its silly to believe that a strengh enhanced Black Panther all of a sudden becomes burdensome concept. It's funny to consider that his lady is being made into a god and was given a repurposed villian that easily, as I'm thinking of this.
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Fun thing about KotD is that I wanted, from the very beginning, a force ghost Aragorn army while in Wakanda.
I thought raising literal dead was stupid.
Then Coates went and used the Aragorn army idea and it sucked thanks to possibly vaguely maybe needing Eden to do it + terrible action art.
Then, Coates went and gave Shuri the zombie literal dead stuff and it was actually cool.
Monkey paw strikes again.
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[QUOTE=dkrook;3719020]I disagree, giving T'challa 100 class strength doesn't make him anything close to "Superman" it just means people couldn't rank him as street level. Good writers craft stories for stronger characters all the time and i think its silly to believe that a strengh enhanced Black Panther all of a sudden becomes burdensome concept. It's funny to consider that his lady is being made into a god and was given a repurposed villian that easily, as I'm thinking of this.[/QUOTE]
Make storm a literal god that hangs around Wakanda: not a peep
Even think about giving Panther an ounce more strength: whoa whoa whoa whoa let's not make him Superman.
The other thing I wanted from KotD was a literal power up the closer he got to Necropolis. ie... if you fought T'challa in Necroplis, dude is well past spider-man. farther ou got awway, closer to baseline he got.
But anywho, T'challa's issues were and are not strength related. They are a lack of imagination from his primary writers.
Part of the fun of taking a comic book peak human character who fights above his weight class is that you get fun stuff like SWaD. Where T'challa uses his tactical brain and martial arts ability combined with his CBPH stats to take out people "above" him. It is cool.
Batman is allowed to do **** like:
[img]https://orig00.deviantart.net/a62b/f/2017/341/6/8/batman_vs_solomon_grundy_by_seane-dbut1ls.jpg[/img]
(yes, he OHKO'd solomon grundy....)
[img]https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a6d605bafc597345962b711a24f3d67b[/img]
(yes, he literally hit a Speedster)
Nobody blinks! That **** is cool! I want more!!!!!!!
Mention Black Panther doing a little more and its "whoa whoa whoa let's not get too crazy here."
And then you get relegated to throwing a spear every once in awhile and using other people to beat your villains.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3718997]He did.
That came AFTER he got his ass beat by magic/tech Doom. That is when he changed his thinking and put more magic in his ****.
That is also when he turned to Zawari and the other mystics and got powered up by alchemy/magic.
Doom's brutal ass beating is what changed his position.[/QUOTE]
I would love to see some of the upgrades be reintroduced, then given some treatment and fleshed out a little. Especially the Shadow Physics, something that could have been unique unto Black Panther. I've had such a bad taste in my mouth since way back when Doom almost killed him during an ambush. I do want a Panther that is at least way close to a physical match to his two peers (Namor, Doom)
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3719034]Make storm a literal god that hangs around Wakanda: not a peep
Even think about giving Panther an ounce more strength: whoa whoa whoa whoa let's not make him Superman.
The other thing I wanted from KotD was a literal power up the closer he got to Necropolis. ie... if you fought T'challa in Necroplis, dude is well past spider-man. farther ou got awway, closer to baseline he got.
But anywho, T'challa's issues were and are not strength related. They are a lack of imagination from his primary writers.
Part of the fun of taking a comic book peak human character who fights above his weight class is that you get fun stuff like SWaD. Where T'challa uses his tactical brain and martial arts ability combined with his CBPH stats to take out people "above" him. It is cool.
Batman is allowed to do **** like:
[img]https://orig00.deviantart.net/a62b/f/2017/341/6/8/batman_vs_solomon_grundy_by_seane-dbut1ls.jpg[/img]
(yes, he OHKO'd solomon grundy....)
[img]https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a6d605bafc597345962b711a24f3d67b[/img]
(yes, he literally hit a Speedster)
Nobody blinks! That **** is cool! I want more!!!!!!!
Mention Black Panther doing a little more and its "whoa whoa whoa let's not get too crazy here."[/QUOTE]
LOL, those post highlight i think he should just get outright powershift, cause bro I'm scratching my head with both hands on how they wrote Batman to do these and so many other Jesus class feats!
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[QUOTE=dkrook;3719035]I would love to see some of the upgrades be reintroduced, then given some treatment and fleshed out a little. Especially the Shadow Physics, something that could have been unique unto Black Panther. I've had such a bad taste in my mouth since way back when Doom almost killed him during an ambush. I do want a Panther that is at least way close to a physical match to his two peers (Namor, Doom)[/QUOTE]
He is a physical and intellectual match for Doom. The edge Doom would have in magic should cancel out with T'challa havign a severe edge in pure martial arts ability.
The issue is, no freaking writer will stop wanking for Doom. THey can't stop themselves.
I have no problem with Namor having a severe physical edge because we have seen time and time again T'challa can still deal with him. T'challa has a ridiculous mental edge over namor and has used tech over and over again to hurt him.
T'challa has counter measures for Namor (that sun sand basically destroys him) but once again, "derp derp can't beat namor need Black Bolt to do it." crap happens
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3718980][IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-75qIOyxbTUI/VmA7iwBZ5xI/AAAAAAAAiPQ/130qGEo8QHI/s1600/3904238-screen%252Bshot%252B2014-06-19%252Bat%252B4.56.32%252Bpm.jpg[/Img]
[B]That doesn't sound like just getting up to status quo. And. Good writer with creativity could run with the idea. There's plenty of ways to utilize the power easily without making him Superman. That's a poor excuse. If anything, the zombie control seemed random and left field given how the actual panel addressed the power boost [/B][/QUOTE]
Thanks for posting this scan Brother Ezyo.
It just goes to illustrate just who appreciates the BP Mythos over those who falsely accuse others of "downgrading" T'Challa as a character.
Hickman clearly stated that as King of The Dead, T'Challa had access to all of the knowledge and strength of Black Panthers that preceded him dating back millenia.
Unfortunately, some readers with ZERO knowledge of the mythos stay arguing vapid and wholly irrelevant points.