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[QUOTE=Cville;3555570]The thing is, this story has the potential to be like Secret Empire. A story that doesn't really matter, but can rather be a fun ride if written that way. The problem is when Legacy came out it got people excited that this was a continuation of where Secret Wars left off. Now as more information is coming out, I think people are going to be somewhat disappointed that it is not.[/QUOTE]
It could theoretically still be a continuation of Secret Wars. Hickman was essentially establishing a Wakandan space program. That space program could be the reason they end up discovering this galactic empire. They're likely not going to discover a galactic empire hanging around Wakanda.
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Hopefully t’challa still has that time gem, gonna need it again after Coates leaves eventually.
Throw coates ideas in birdmans bushes on Stunna island
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[QUOTE=XPac;3555601]It could theoretically still be a continuation of Secret Wars. Hickman was essentially establishing a Wakandan space program. That space program could be the reason they end up discovering this galactic empire. They're likely not going to discover a galactic empire hanging around Wakanda.[/QUOTE]
That is a possibility, but Tchalla being in space reality hopping isnt new. Hes been in space with Solomons Frogs. Now if it starts out with him on that planet that was 4 light years away and he gets pulled into some anomoly on the way back, then Coates can get some extra credit points. lol
The down side being that this experience has him rethinking space exploration.
Remember who is writing this. He takes the cool things and makes it so we cant have nice things. Spying on avengers, Dora Milaje, doesnt want to be king....
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[QUOTE=CCSlim;3555603]Hopefully t’challa still has that time gem, gonna need it again after Coates leaves eventually.
Throw coates ideas in birdmans bushes on Stunna island[/QUOTE]
Now see this I can roll with.
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3555420]6. If it took nearly 30 years to attempt to capture Klaw is it safe to say that the Wardog spy network kind of sucks since Ultron found dude in less than a week?[/QUOTE]
Ultron's an alien AI who can hack anything, aided by a speedster and telepath.
More than that, I'd bet the vibranium itself posed an issue to all involved.
Kill Klaw, and he might expose the as a back up revenge plan. Or they might be left without the ability to reclaim the vibranium and it falls into worse hands.
Klaw had that vibranium for 30 years, yet clearly had problems unloading it to have so much remaining.
My question is, what happened to the billions Klaw was given by Ultron? Money like that should have bought him a better umbrella.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3554877]Priests, Hudlin and Coates are all writing about the exact same place. Everything that happened in Priests run happened in the past in Hudlin unless the book specifically retcons it out. Not that there aren't differences, but as long as marvel treats them as part of the same continuity comparing them is fare game.[/QUOTE]
[B] Hudlin's Wakanda is different then Priest Wakanda. Hudlins is unified and spiritually advanced. Priest, Tchalla singlehandedly advanced Wakanda to the most advanced nation and there was tribal bickering. You can't cherry pick from each one to try and make your argument about how Coates version is better (lol) then what happened prior[/B]
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[QUOTE=Cville;3555610]That is a possibility, but Tchalla being in space reality hopping isnt new. Hes been in space with Solomons Frogs. Now if it starts out with him on that planet that was 4 light years away and he gets pulled into some anomoly on the way back, then Coates can get some extra credit points. lol
The down side being that this experience has him rethinking space exploration.[/QUOTE]
Based on Rise, T'Chaka established a space program before the Alpha Flight we saw in Secret Wars so yes... space travel theoretically should be nothing new now just for T'Challa but for Wakanda. But I'm sure T'Challa has made huge advancements since T'Chaka's time.
As far as T'Challa rethining space exploration... after Secret Was I don't think that's possible. He knows there are threats out there, and he'll want to meet it. He may not necessarily want to colonize in space... but at least as far as defense and even scientific curiosity, he'll want to at least give himself the ability to go into space as needed.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3555658][B] Hudlin's Wakanda is different then Priest Wakanda. Hudlins is unified and spiritually advanced. Priest, Tchalla singlehandedly advanced Wakanda to the most advanced nation and there was tribal bickering. You can't cherry pick from each one to try and make your argument about how Coates version is better (lol) then what happened prior[/B][/QUOTE]
If Wakanda was unified and spiritually advanced, we wouldn't have Doras in the first place. Until something flat out states on panel that the tribes never had these problems, what Priest wrote in his book is still established 616 canon. Hudlin did retcon some things certainly... but he didn't retcon EVERYTHING Priest wrote. Granted it sometimes feels that way, but there's still Priest influence left in the mythos.
But yes... my overall point was that Priests version of Wakanda at times did seem worse than Coates version (and by worse I mean how bad things were, not the quality of the writing). Coates was having problems because it was still recovering from AvX, Infinity, Time Runs Out, etc. Priest version had Wakandan fractured and messed up simply because that's how they were. Coates thing was a temporary situation they could recover from, while in Priests it was more status quo. So to me at least, that made Wakanda look worse. But hey... just my opinon.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3555696]If Wakanda was unified and spiritually advanced, we wouldn't have Doras in the first place. Until something flat out states on panel that the tribes never had these problems, what Priest wrote in his book is still established 616 canon. Hudlin did retcon some things certainly... but he didn't retcon EVERYTHING Priest wrote. Granted it sometimes feels that way, but there's still Priest influence left in the mythos.
But yes... my overall point was that Priests version of Wakanda at times did seem worse than Coates version (and by worse I mean how bad things were, not the quality of the writing). Coates was having problems because it was still recovering from AvX, Infinity, Time Runs Out, etc. Priest version had Wakandan fractured and messed up simply because that's how they were. Coates thing was a temporary situation they could recover from, while in Priests it was more status quo. So to me at least, that made Wakanda look worse. But hey... just my opinon.[/QUOTE]
As someone who started on Hudlin, I never gave much thought to the Doras, he never went into detail about them or why they were there iirc. I just thought of them as red-shirt bodyguards. And the only time there was talk of marriage was when Romanda suggested it. They were truly background characters for Hudlin. lol. Probably because he already knew where he was going.
Worse than the legions who died at the hands of the MA? Priest always teased the threat of war for dramatic effect. But the only ones to died were the handful of villagers that Nakia's chieftain killed.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3555737]As someone who started on Hudlin, I never gave much thought to the Doras, he never went into detail about them or why they were there iirc. I just thought of them as red-shirt bodyguards. And the only time there was talk of marriage was when Romanda suggested it. They were truly background characters for Hudlin. lol. Probably because he already knew where he was going.
Worse than the legions who died at the hands of the MA? Priest always teased the threat of war for dramatic effect. But the only ones to died were the handful of villagers that Nakia's chieftain killed.[/QUOTE]
Yes, what happened in Priests was worse. IMO.
Because again, with Coates the problems were all situational. It was a temporary situation created by external events and once the story was over everything was resolved. WIth Priest, the problems were status quo. The conflict couldn't be resolved... it could only be managed via using teenage girls to act as political pawns. Nothing caused Wakanda to be that messed up... it just was. And that to me is worse than just being messed up because you went through a tough period that you're not moving past. Wakanda right now is Coates run is pretty much okay. It's problems are of an external nature.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3555747]Yes, what happened in Priests was worse. IMO.
Because again, with Coates the problems were all situational. It was a temporary situation created by external events and once the story was over everything was resolved. WIth Priest, the problems were status quo. The conflict couldn't be resolved... it could only be managed via using teenage girls to act as political pawns. Nothing caused Wakanda to be that messed up... it just was. And that to me is worse than just being messed up because you went through a tough period that you're not moving past. Wakanda right now is Coates run is pretty much okay. It's problems are of an external nature.[/QUOTE]
Obviously something caused a rift between two villages. Or do you think they were so primitive that their natural inclination is to kill each other?
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[QUOTE=Cville;3555763]Obviously something caused a rift between two villages. Or do you think they were so primitive that their natural inclination is to kill each other?[/QUOTE]
Given the books to my recollection don't directly address the exact cause of the instability in Wakanda, it's tough to say anything about it one way or the other. If I had to guess, I'd assume the reason there is conflict is the reason most tribal conflicts exist... competition over land or resources. But really who knows.
But whatever reason, I did think they came off looking a bit backwards over the whole thing. Which again may have been the point. To create a sort of contrast between the technology and culture of the golden city, and the other parts of Wakanda.
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I'm sorry, but I don't think the world has moved much past tribalism no matter what "advanced" political system is in place. Most people I know and work with can't even have a discussion about the U.S. revolutionary war, let alone the French one. Nor the philosophies that led to them, nor the "enlightenment" period that followed, nor the 2 centuries of philosophical evolution that followed. The most I can say about the world is, according to many historians with an esoteric bend, is that there are fewer conflicts in the world than 100 years ago. And they are on the rise again. So it is really impossible us to say whether Wakanda would be considered spiritually enlightened in the real world.
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Seeing that Marvel is talking up another big event, really interested to see if Panther is going to feature heavy, or at all.
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Any updates on the issue that came out today?