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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;630031]Avengers thoughts in regards to Wakanda...
[spoil]Looks like the world really did sell out Wakanda and let it die. [/spoil]
Yikes. It is getting ot the point that I don't know how Hickman redeems everyone lol[/QUOTE]
T'challa will come for them.
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;630178]T'challa will come for them.[/QUOTE]
He'd have to come after the whole UN
I imagine if Wakanda comes back from this, they are going to be SUPER isolationist and hostile to everyone.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;630198]He'd have to come after the whole UN
I imagine if Wakanda comes back from this, they are going to be SUPER isolationist and hostile to everyone.[/QUOTE]
no wonder they never liked outsiders
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;630198]He'd have to come after the whole UN
I imagine if Wakanda comes back from this, they are going to be SUPER isolationist and hostile to everyone.[/QUOTE]
As they should be. Honestly at this point T'challa should just go ahead and be like Doom. He can be friends with the FF, Banner, Braddock, Cho, the Inhumans and Beast but eff the Avengers and the rest of the planet.
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;630210]no wonder they never liked outsiders[/QUOTE]
Even in Hudlin's volume we saw how theus tried to "help" them. They sent deathloks to try and take Wakanda if it collapsed.
Everytime that dumb cancer argument pops up it ignores the fact that basically every nation is always gunning for Wakanda a trope that has continuously been supported.
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;630232]As they should be. Honestly at this point T'challa should just go ahead and be like Doom. He can be friends with the FF, Banner, Braddock, Cho, the Inhumans and Beast but eff the Avengers and the rest of the planet.[/QUOTE]
I'd be down for that.
A more heroic Doom. I could dig it.
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;630240]Even in Hudlin's volume we saw how theus tried to "help" them. They sent deathloks to try and take Wakanda if it collapsed.
Everytime that dumb cancer argument pops up it ignores the fact that basically every nation is always gunning for Wakanda a trope that has continuously been supported.[/QUOTE]
Gosh. I feel sorry for him at this point. what has he to live for? he has bassically lost everything and the whole world betrayed him. it all makes sense as to why he wanted to disarm the bombs
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Yeah, after this Avengers issue, the cancer argument is worthless to me. It's like, that's the shining example on why Wakanda doesn't share.
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[url]http://youtu.be/xDqmViWxEgU[/url]
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[QUOTE=Double 0;630361]Yeah, after this Avengers issue, the cancer argument is worthless to me. It's like, that's the shining example on why Wakanda doesn't share.[/QUOTE]
It was always a "worthless argument" right from day one.
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[QUOTE=Double 0;630361]Yeah, after this Avengers issue, the cancer argument is worthless to me. It's like, that's the shining example on why Wakanda doesn't share.[/QUOTE]
The same attitude behind Wakanda not sharing the cure for cancer in a lot of ways is the same attitude behind the rest of the world not saving Wakanda. I think ultimate the Wakandan kings made the arguement about doing what you need to do to save your people, even if it means the rest of the universe burning.
In this case the UN were using a similar mentality, the difference being that their actions prevent the universe from burning. But the bigger picture aside (a bigger picture which does include Wakanda), it's protecting your people by any means necessary. It's what kings do. I think that's the message of the story.
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[QUOTE=XPac;631549]The same attitude behind Wakanda not sharing the cure for cancer in a lot of ways is the same attitude behind the rest of the world not saving Wakanda. I think ultimate the Wakandan kings made the arguement about doing what you need to do to save your people, even if it means the rest of the universe burning.
In this case the UN were using a similar mentality, the difference being that their actions prevent the universe from burning. But the bigger picture aside (a bigger picture which does include Wakanda), it's protecting your people by any means necessary. It's what kings do. I think that's the message of the story.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;631502]It was always a "worthless argument" right from day one.
Not sure why it's taken you until Avengers #37 to reach this conclusion? :confused:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's always been a very silly argument. I'm still high on Hickman though, because you really need to raise the bar so high that when (hopefully) he gets retribution (again hopefully) it's the sort of thing that will always and forever stand out. This story is HUGE and it's shaping the MU. The only way Hickman drops the ball is if T'challa doesn't get vengeance. Then it would have been a colossal and momentous JOKE.
On another note, remember the whole Cyborg and D.C debate? lol, didn't I say that D.C was really trying to push Cyborg, as noted by the way they were pushing him in the animated features. Marvel on the other hand has T'challa practically ghost. Although he did appear on Marvel Disk Wars: The Avengers (anime). It just seems like a different trajectory--despite what is going on in the comics.
I'm back!
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Man gotta avoid spoilers (or resist I should say) and get to the shop!!!
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[QUOTE=Victor Freeman;631651]Yeah, it's always been a very silly argument. I'm still high on Hickman though, because you really need to raise the bar so high that when (hopefully) he gets retribution (again hopefully) it's the sort of thing that will always and forever stand out. This story is HUGE and it's shaping the MU. The only way Hickman drops the ball is if T'challa doesn't get vengeance. Then it would have been a colossal and momentous JOKE.
On another note, remember the whole Cyborg and D.C debate? lol, didn't I say that D.C was really trying to push Cyborg, as noted by the way they were pushing him in the animated features. Marvel on the other hand has T'challa practically ghost. Although he did appear on Marvel Disk Wars: The Avengers (anime). It just seems like a different trajectory--despite what is going on in the comics.
I'm back![/QUOTE]
Yeah that disc wars thing is an artefact of those who license doing what they want. And at the same time showing people that you can do something..anything with some minimal effort.
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[QUOTE=XPac;631549]The same attitude behind Wakanda not sharing the cure for cancer in a lot of ways is the same attitude behind the rest of the world not saving Wakanda. I think ultimate the Wakandan kings made the arguement about doing what you need to do to save your people, even if it means the rest of the universe burning.
In this case the UN were using a similar mentality, the difference being that their actions prevent the universe from burning. But the bigger picture aside (a bigger picture which does include Wakanda), it's protecting your people by any means necessary. It's what kings do. I think that's the message of the story.[/QUOTE]
Actually it's not. You have to ignore where Wakanda is located, what it has witnessed and what has been NOTED in the comics about that period. Besides as BoS said, the consistent troupe of being attacked and there Kings/Queens killed. Priest showed it pretty well. So the cancer excuse is just troll nonsense. It was a single line one off line, that wasn't even said by T'challa.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;631502]It was always a "worthless argument" right from day one.
Not sure why it's taken you until Avengers #37 to reach this conclusion? :confused:[/QUOTE]
Honestly? I think the scene was tacky. I don't know if Hudlin knew how comic book fans were at the time he made it, but it was ripe for misinterpretation/scrutiny. Even if it wasn't said by T'Challa and that policy could have been or was easily changed due to T'Challa being more welcoming to outsiders.
Funny how those same standards are not applied to the UN/Avengers by Avengers fans though.
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[QUOTE=Double 0;631681]Honestly? I think the scene was tacky. I don't know if Hudlin knew how comic book fans were at the time he made it, but it was ripe for misinterpretation/scrutiny. Even if it wasn't said by T'Challa and that policy could have been or was easily changed due to T'Challa being more welcoming to outsiders.
Funny how those same standards are not applied to the UN/Avengers by Avengers fans though.[/QUOTE]
Of course it's not. Look at the whole genocide debate. :shrugs: It was a one off line that was clumsy, but you really have to be nit picking to make it the big deal it is...especially since that series was noncanon...until is sold well and they decided to launch a new series. Other then that, it was no different then any of the new Marvel Knights books.
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[QUOTE=Double 0;631681]Honestly? I think the scene was tacky. I don't know if Hudlin knew how comic book fans were at the time he made it, but it was ripe for misinterpretation/scrutiny. Even if it wasn't said by T'Challa and that policy could have been or was easily changed due to T'Challa being more welcoming to outsiders.
Funny how those same standards are not applied to the UN/Avengers by Avengers fans though.[/QUOTE]
I think people are less critical of the UN 's stance because it's likely keeping the universe from being destroyed. As far as justification goes that's about as good as you're gonna get. When a better alternative shows up people will support that instead but right now there just isn't one.
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[QUOTE=XPac;631821]I think people are less critical of the UN 's stance because it's likely keeping the universe from being destroyed. As far as justification goes that's about as good as you're gonna get. When a better alternative shows up people will support that instead but right now there just isn't one.[/QUOTE]
No, no it's not.
The Cabal were in no obligation to keep that promise.
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[QUOTE=Double 0;631829]No, no it's not.
The Cabal were in no obligation to keep that promise.[/QUOTE]
No they don't. But the fact remains they're still the reason the universe has not been destroyed. They're doing what needs to done as no one else at least at the moment can do anything about it. If nothing else it bought the world time. Until a better option arises that's pretty much all they've got.
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[QUOTE=XPac;631821]I think people are less critical of the UN 's stance because it's likely keeping the universe from being destroyed. As far as justification goes that's about as good as you're gonna get. When a better alternative shows up people will support that instead but right now there just isn't one.[/QUOTE]
Like Double 0 said, the Cabal is under no obligation to keep it's word. So when the next nation, say Russia or Latveria or Canada is threatened to be destroyed, the rest of the world will accept it so that they can go on living?
It really has nothing to do about Wakanda's stance on the world because Wakanda does business with the rest of the world, aided the Avengers during AvX and helped find a cure to save the US and the rest of the world during Red Zone. It's more to do a group of sadistic people wanting to destroy Wakanda and the rest of the world thanking their maker that it wasn't them.
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[QUOTE=XPac;631849]No they don't. But the fact remains they're still the reason the universe has not been destroyed. They're doing what needs to done as no one else at least at the moment can do anything about it. If nothing else it bought the world time. Until a better option arises that's pretty much all they've got.[/QUOTE]
No doubt and I agree that they are saving the universe by destroying other Earths. The problem is their brutality and the possible fact that they could find an alternate Earth that they like and decide to blow up our Earth to save the universe. And that scenario seems more and more plausible given who we're dealing with.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;629295]Post Hudlin, T'Challa has been deconstructed non-stop without respite.
At this point, that ****'s become a played out cliche.[/QUOTE]
Think about why that is. These books get cancelled, and so no one really gets the chance to rebuild T'Challa. It's a process that they never get to finish. Look at Scarlet Spider, for example. Much shorter, but the story clearly didn't finish where it was supposed to. Now New Warriors is cancelled too. If anything, you should be happy that the deconstruction is happening in a book that definitely won't be cancelled. You have an acclaimed writer that has clear goals for each character that will finish. At least you get to see the end of the plan.
In addition, it's not like T'Challa is the only one being deconstructed. This book is death - everyone in it has gotten a taste.
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[QUOTE=SKJoker;632120]Think about why that is. These books get cancelled, and so no one really gets the chance to rebuild T'Challa. It's a process that they never get to finish. Look at Scarlet Spider, for example. Much shorter, but the story clearly didn't finish where it was supposed to. Now New Warriors is cancelled too. If anything, you should be happy that the deconstruction is happening in a book that definitely won't be cancelled. You have an acclaimed writer that has clear goals for each character that will finish. At least you get to see the end of the plan.
In addition, it's not like T'Challa is the only one being deconstructed. This book is death - everyone in it has gotten a taste.[/QUOTE]
There are only like two people who's taste rivals T'Challa's: Strange for indirectly murdering most of Great Society's Earth and Great Society, and Namor, who mostly brought it upon himself.
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[QUOTE=Moose100;631658]Man gotta avoid spoilers (or resist I should say) and get to the shop!!![/QUOTE]
I welcome spoilers these days. Keeps me from buying something that is just plain bad.
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[QUOTE=Double 0;632135]There are only like two people who's taste rivals T'Challa's: Strange for indirectly murdering most of Great Society's Earth and Great Society, and Namor, who mostly brought it upon himself.[/QUOTE]
You guys wanted him to be the center of the book, and keep bringing that up any time other people were mad about the BP focus. Caveat emptor.
(I mean, so did I, but I'm still enjoying the ride.)
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[QUOTE=SKJoker;632291]You guys wanted him to be the center of the book, and keep bringing that up any time other people were mad about the BP focus. Caveat emptor.
(I mean, so did I, but I'm still enjoying the ride.)[/QUOTE]
Oh, don't worry, I'm still enjoying it. I'm just saying that because one thing is clear: T'Challa needs either vengeance or something to compensate for the amount of sacrifices he's made.
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So the Avengers: AOU Ultron trailer linked.
Andy Serkis, kind of a big name, is randomly in the movie
So we get a glimpse of him and..
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Is he playing KLAW????
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I sooo cannot believe it leaked the day after the announcement lol.
Is the scene meant to be in movie a location in Africa or is it a stand in for Wundagore Mountain?
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[QUOTE=Moose100;632552]I sooo cannot believe it leaked the day after the announcement lol.
Is the scene meant to be in movie a location in Africa or is it a stand in for Wundagore Mountain?[/QUOTE]
No idea, he was on screen for all of 3 seconds.
why bother casting Serkis unless you have plans for him though later?
(yes I realize I am being hopeful but the dude looks a lot like KLAW)
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Editing this post since I was asked about this trailer in another place and it dealt with the lack of heroes on MCU Avenger's roster of non-Caucasian heritage so:
[quote]Since they showed Cap's shield shattered if this doesn't lead to a Wakandian field trip having a Luke Cage show isn't going to be enough to get me to hang around[/quote]
See you in April
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;632865]Editing this post since I was asked about this trailer in another place and it dealt with the lack of heroes on MCU Avenger's roster of non-Caucasian heritage so:
See you in April[/QUOTE]
I would imagine the shield being broken is a "reality warping mind thign" via Scarlet Witch
Similar to the scene where Steve is back in time
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;631948]No doubt and I agree that they are saving the universe by destroying other Earths. The problem is their brutality and the possible fact that they could find an alternate Earth that they like and decide to blow up our Earth to save the universe. And that scenario seems more and more plausible given who we're dealing with.[/QUOTE]
And that certainly is a valid concern. But like I said, until some other sollution presents itself that's really all they've got. In the least its buying everyone else time.
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Sigh... does the Panther(s) at least get to throw some rocks at the villains?
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[QUOTE=Hypestyle;633431]Sigh... does the Panther(s) at least get to throw some rocks at the villains?[/QUOTE]
not since Kirby ;)
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[QUOTE=Victor Freeman;631651]Yeah, it's always been a very silly argument. I'm still high on Hickman though, because you really need to raise the bar so high that when (hopefully) he gets retribution (again hopefully) it's the sort of thing that will always and forever stand out. This story is HUGE and it's shaping the MU. The only way Hickman drops the ball is if T'challa doesn't get vengeance. Then it would have been a colossal and momentous JOKE.
On another note, remember the whole Cyborg and D.C debate? lol, didn't I say that D.C was really trying to push Cyborg, as noted by the way they were pushing him in the animated features. Marvel on the other hand has T'challa practically ghost. Although he did appear on Marvel Disk Wars: The Avengers (anime). It just seems like a different trajectory--despite what is going on in the comics.
I'm back![/QUOTE]
I wouldnt put much stock in the Disk wars. That was all around garbage, but TChalla is long overdue in Ultimate Spider Man,Agents of Smash, and Avengers Assemble. Moreso Ultimate Spidey since they have done a wonderful job introducing character. After one episode, my kids actually knew who Mr Lieberman was. The power of kids cartoons.
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I'm not getting exicted about any more fan speculation relating to Black Panther being in Age of Ultron. People were acting as if it was a forgone conclusion that Panther was going to be in the first Avengers movie. Then people were SURE that Black Panther would have a movie in phase 2....
It's not a forgone conclusion, so it's best not to say such silly things until we get a confirmation.
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;633826]I'm not getting exicted about any more fan speculation relating to Black Panther being in Age of Ultron. People were acting as if it was a forgone conclusion that Panther was going to be in the first Avengers movie. Then people were SURE that Black Panther would have a movie in phase 2....
It's not a forgone conclusion, so it's best not to say such silly things until we get a confirmation.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, dont cheer until you actually see something.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;633839]Yeah, dont cheer until you actually see something.[/QUOTE]
Exactly...
A lot of us were celebrating a Black Panther movie being made and it turned out to be a Guardians of the Galaxy film.