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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;251820]Hey there sir hope all is well on your end. Where is this scan from and is it canon?
And I haven't been reading N.A. as of late as im trying save my monties but where are we with tchalla and the incursion and what's going on wuth him in the original sin? Has any thing been revealed about him?[/QUOTE]
Hey there Butterflykiss, I'm good.
Too much to go into right now but suffice it to say that much has occured as far as the Incursions are concerned in NA.
I'm going to PM you in a few seconds.
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;251579]Some folks only need to get burned once to learn a lesson, others might get it after being in the burn ward[/QUOTE]
Indeed. I mean, it would be great if it wasn't that way. BUT we all know that is not the case.
T'challa good and don't need Emma. Unless you want to see him emasculated. Trust, Doomwar, AvX (etc) AoX and so on would be nothing to what they would have Emma doing to him. See Namor in AvX. Stuff like that.
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[QUOTE=Seraphan;251984]Indeed. I mean, it would be great if it wasn't that way. BUT we all know that is not the case.
T'challa good and don't need Emma. Unless you want to see him emasculated. Trust, Doomwar, AvX (etc) AoX and so on would be nothing to what they would have Emma doing to him. See Namor in AvX. Stuff like that.[/QUOTE]
Yeap and when I read the x-books I loved me some Emma but now it's "naw son"
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[QUOTE=Seraphan;251984]Indeed. I mean, it would be great if it wasn't that way. BUT we all know that is not the case.
T'challa good and don't need Emma. Unless you want to see him emasculated. Trust, Doomwar, AvX (etc) AoX and so on would be nothing to what they would have Emma doing to him. See Namor in AvX. Stuff like that.[/QUOTE]
Why would being with Emma be emasculating???
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[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;253066]Why would being with Emma be emasculating???[/QUOTE]
See T'Challa as seen in Doomwar, AvX, AoX and books written by Jason Aaron and Paul Cornell that star X-Men
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;253091]See T'Challa as seen in Doomwar, AvX, AoX and books written by Jason Aaron and Paul Cornell that star X-Men[/QUOTE]
I don't recall Emma demasculating T'challa in any of those... Why would being with Emma (by default) be emasculating???
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[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;253140]I don't recall Emma demasculating T'challa in any of those... Why would being with Emma (by default) be emasculating???[/QUOTE]
*facepalm*
In just about every X-book T'Challa has appeared in a book with a X on the cover his manhood to him just being there has been called into question aka he is made to be a esmasculated character, if he was to be involved in a sexual or anything that would mean he would have to be mentioned by Emma in a x-book history as seen by printed page would repeat.
For example it should be noted before the already mentioned pointing Namor to Wakanda she has been the main one through various writers calling in question his manhood
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Is there any reason why this particularly ridiculous non-topic is still being discussed in a [B]Black Panther Appreciation[/B] thread?
Reginald Hudlin really knew what was up when he wrote this.....
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Hudlin saw the writing on the wall years before AvX dropped.
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TChalla isnt so emotionally fragile that he would go for women so beneath him. The sexy femme fatale schtick is for more emotionally fragile heroes. No to Wakandan killing Black Swan and no to the manipulative Emma Frost.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;253328]Is there any reason why this particularly ridiculous non-topic is still being discussed in a [B]Black Panther Appreciation[/B] thread?
Reginald Hudlin really knew what was up when he wrote this.....
Hudlin saw the writing on the wall years before AvX dropped.[/QUOTE]
God, I remember that. I also remember how looking back he had T'Challa take several shots at the X-Men when Storm and Black Panther were dealing with ... I want to say Red Ghost. I thought that was mean spirited then but now... It's kind of therapeutic.
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One off hand soap opera style suggestion and this house is no longer a home. Hilarious.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;253343]TChalla isnt so emotionally fragile that he would go for women so beneath him. The sexy femme fatale schtick is for more emotionally fragile heroes. No to Wakandan killing Black Swan and no to the manipulative Emma Frost.[/QUOTE]
I don't care who kills Black Swan as long as she dies.
If the Illuminati need a female member use Moondragon.
She actually WAS the keeper of the Mind Gem, you know. And her attitude would
fit right in(she was pretty damn manipulative before she joined the GotG).
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;253583]I don't care who kills Black Swan as long as she dies.
If the Illuminati need a female member use Moondragon.
She actually WAS the keeper of the Mind Gem, you know. And her attitude would
fit right in(she was pretty damn manipulative before she joined the GotG).[/QUOTE]
And why does Yabbat Ummon Tarru have to die exactly? :confused:
Namor and Emma Frost are still drawing air and they both have a multitude of Wakandan deaths between them.
I don't see you calling for their deaths.
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[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;253140]I don't recall Emma demasculating T'challa in any of those... Why would being with Emma (by default) be emasculating???[/QUOTE]
It's not Emma by default. It's Black Panther being in a relationship with a X-Man by default. Though yeah, Emma being a very powerful psychic definitely increases the chances of it.
Personally, I'm not into this whole emasculating stuff, but I do think Avengers in general get written badly in the X-titles, Black Panther included. I'd rather not see that again.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;253602]And why does Yabbat Ummon Tarru have to die exactly? :confused:
Namor and Emma Frost are still drawing air and they both have a multitude of Wakandan deaths between them.
[B]I don't see you calling for their deaths[/B].[/QUOTE]
Why should I?
They aren't taking up space in a book that I like to read. I want Starbrand and Nightmask dead in the Avengers too.
At least if Emma was in New Avengers book I can justify it as adding a known popular character to the gang (and they need a telepath on the team).
Namor's a necessary instigator (and as far as I'm concerned BP and Namor might as well be the same character in many ways) so I don't need him dead either.
If anything I see Wakanda and Atlantis as millstones around both characters respective necks, so I don't really care which of thier nations bites it in thier war or if it ends in a stalemate or neverends at all.
The only reason Black Swan exists in the story is to make the rest of the Illuminati look like they don't know what they are doing. Which I really have no use for.
The Illuminati have guys on thier rosters who pretty much are on a first name basis with God/Eternity and guys whose brains can power a planet.
What do they need her for, exactly?
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;253658]Why should I?
They aren't taking up space in a book that I like to read. I want Starbrand and Nightmask dead in the Avengers too.
At least if Emma was in New Avengers book I can justify it as adding a known popular character to the gang (and they need a telepath on the team).
Namor's a necessary instigator (and as far as I'm concerned BP and Namor might as well be the same character in many ways) so I don't need him dead either.
If anything I see Wakanda and Atlantis as millstones around both characters respective necks, so I don't really care which of thier nations bites it in thier war or if it ends in a stalemate or neverends at all.
The only reason Black Swan exists in the story is to make the rest of the Illuminati look like they don't know what they are doing. Which I really have no use for.
The Illuminati have guys on thier rosters who pretty much are on a first name basis with God/Eternity and guys whose brains can power a planet.
What do they need her for, exactly?[/QUOTE]
Well she is the writer's pet character so take pride in knowing the next writer will kill her off, hopefully off screen.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;253658]Why should I?
They aren't taking up space in a book that I like to read. I want Starbrand and Nightmask dead in the Avengers too.
At least if Emma was in New Avengers book I can justify it as adding a known popular character to the gang (and they need a telepath on the team).
Namor's a necessary instigator (and as far as I'm concerned BP and Namor might as well be the same character in many ways) so I don't need him dead either.
[B]If anything I see Wakanda and Atlantis as millstones around both characters respective necks, so I don't really care which of thier nations bites it in thier war or if it ends in a stalemate or neverends at all. [/B]
The only reason Black Swan exists in the story is to make the rest of the Illuminati look like they don't know what they are doing. Which I really have no use for.
The Illuminati have guys on thier rosters who pretty much are on a first name basis with God/Eternity and guys whose brains can power a planet.
What do they need her for, exactly?[/QUOTE]
Why?
their nations make them unique characters
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IIRC, Emma used to get down with Tony Stark back in the day, as revealed during Civil War.
Looking at this now, I say no to Tony's leftovers. Emma works with Scott due to the opposites attract things. Emma does not work with Namor because they are too much alike.
I would be open to a strong friendship between BP & Emma. I think Emma would admire BP, and his various challenges. I think BP would be understanding of the mutant cause. A strong, platonic friendship would work. It would also be a source of drama between the various members of the X-Men who seem to be anti-BP. I think they would be interesting in a buddy cop movie sort of way under a capable writer. Emma enjoys being a diva, and it would be nails on a chalk board if she said something positive about BP when the others talk bad about him.
I don't see BP having any romantic relationships in the near future.
Perhaps when a new writer takes over Avengers (and includes BP), or BP gets a solo.
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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;253805]IIRC, Emma used to get down with Tony Stark back in the day, as revealed during Civil War.
Looking at this now, I say no to Tony's leftovers. Emma works with Scott due to the opposites attract things. Emma does not work with Namor because they are too much alike.
I would be open to a strong friendship between BP & Emma. I think Emma would admire BP, and his various challenges. I think BP would be understanding of the mutant cause. A strong, platonic friendship would work. It would also be a source of drama between the various members of the X-Men who seem to be anti-BP. I think they would be interesting in a buddy cop movie sort of way under a capable writer. Emma enjoys being a diva, and it would be nails on a chalk board if she said something positive about BP when the others talk bad about him.
I don't see BP having any romantic relationships in the near future.
Perhaps when a new writer takes over Avengers (and includes BP), or BP gets a solo.[/QUOTE]
BP's always been understanding of the mutant cause. I mean he at one point was funding Mutantes Sans Frontières, and took in mutants [SIZE=1](to the point that BP remarked that Wakanda was overflowing)[/SIZE] who were fleeing Genosha. Heck, he even tried to convince other nations to open their doors, for the ones he couldn't take in.
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[QUOTE=D. Strong;253838]BP's always been understanding of the mutant cause. I mean he at one point was funding Mutantes Sans Frontières, and took in mutants who were fleeing Genosha.[/QUOTE]
That is great to know, and shame on the x-writers for never highlighting this. That alone could have yielded some dynamic story-telling.
It makes the ex & the x-writers look foolish for never having her use her queen status to better champion her cause. Namor & Doom do it all the time. Magneto did it. It shows how stunted those writers are. They are stuck in soap opera which explains why their cause continuously goes in circles.
Like a lot of folks have said, BP needs to stay far away from x-land, as long as the writers their no intention of progressive story-telling.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;253658]Why should I?
They aren't taking up space in a book that I like to read. I want Starbrand and Nightmask dead in the Avengers too.
At least if Emma was in New Avengers book I can justify it as adding a known popular character to the gang (and they need a telepath on the team).
Namor's a necessary instigator (and as far as I'm concerned BP and Namor might as well be the same character in many ways) so I don't need him dead either.
If anything I see Wakanda and Atlantis as millstones around both characters respective necks, so I don't really care which of thier nations bites it in thier war or if it ends in a stalemate or neverends at all.
The only reason Black Swan exists in the story is to make the rest of the Illuminati look like they don't know what they are doing. Which I really have no use for.
The Illuminati have guys on thier rosters who pretty much are on a first name basis with God/Eternity and guys whose brains can power a planet.
What do they need her for, exactly?[/QUOTE]
Please don't make me laugh.
How many times has the Black Swan character appeared over the last few issues?
Suggesting Emma Frost's inclusion within the Illuminati is as ridiculous as wishing Starbrand and Nightmask dead in the Avengers book just because you don't like those characters.
What exactly would Frost bring to the Illuminati table that isn't already there?
Yabbat Ummon Tarru was an integral wheel in the machine of the tale that Jonathan Hickman is telling and as we can see, her insidious machinations have led the individual members of this august gathering of flawed men to the current impasse the face with the Great Society.
Black Swan is part of the forward moving narrative within the book regardles of how you personally feel about her character, and she does not bring the additional baggage that Frost's character would have carried along with her if Hickman had chosen to include her character in the NA book.
The Illuminati has amongst it's membership some of the most knowledgeable and powerful men who as you have pointed out, are on first name basis with some incredibly powerful abstracts.
However, this has not prevented each and eveyone of them from making disasterous decisions (pre-Hickman's New Avengers/Avengers) that have had devastating impact on their personal lives as well as people connected with said personal lives.
So what point exactly was it that you were trying to get across again?
A for Wakanda and Atlantis being "millstones" around the respective necks of T'Challa and Namor I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on that for the imple fact that I fail to see what relevance your assertion has in relation to the subject of the Black Swan.
Namor and T'Challa are both in this Illuminati gig due to the fact that they want to protect their respective peoples in much the same way that the other components of the group wish to safeguard the entire 616 Earth.
You might as well say that all of the Illuminati have a "millstone" around their necks. LOL!
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I enjoy Black Swan. I don't want her to die at all. In fact I hope she later becomes part of T'challa's rouges gallery but with a little grey area in that she's sometimes helpful. In a catwoman type role.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;254496]I enjoy Black Swan. I don't want her to die at all. In fact I hope she later becomes part of T'challa's rouges gallery but with a little grey area in that she's sometimes helpful. In a catwoman type role.[/QUOTE]
Yabbat Ummon Tarru is an incredibly dark character who has been revealed to be beyond duplicitious.
Even Thanos himelf sensed that she wasn't an individual to be trifled with.......
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so I very much doubt that she'd be helpful to T'Challa in any capacity moving forward, unless Jonathan Hickman chooses to do something special with her character.
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I think not.
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I dont know. I feel like if you dont like the character nor show the character respect..dont write him. Id rather T'challa be in limbo than in the hands of someone who is luke warm or hates the character.
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[QUOTE=ExcelsiorPrime;254613]I dont know. I feel like if you dont like the character nor show the character respect..dont write him. Id rather T'challa be in limbo than in the hands of someone who is luke warm or hates the character.[/QUOTE]
I'm in full agreement with you on this ExcelsiorPrime.
Some posters seem to be of the opinion that Jason Aaron may be the next scribe to take on the next Black Panther solo book just based off of his handling of T'Challa in [B]Original Sin[/B] but to be frank, I'd much rather prefer it if a writer like Al Ewing take a crack at the job especially as he's proven that he respects accurate characterization and established continuity.
Al Ewing would be a godsend to T'Challa, Shuri and Wakanda.
Aaron lost me with his AvX transgresions. (even though I follow his excellent take on [B]Thor: God of Thunder[/B] with muc enthusiasm)
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;254673]I'm in full agreement with you on this ExcelsiorPrime.
Some posters seem to be of the opinion that Jason Aaron may be the next scribe to take on the next Black Panther solo book just based off of his handling of T'Challa in [B]Original Sin[/B] but to be frank, I'd much rather prefer it if a writer like Al Ewing take a crack at the job especially as he's proven that he respects accurate characterization and established continuity.
Al Ewing would be a godsend to T'Challa, Shuri and Wakanda.
Aaron lost me with his AvX transgresions. (even though I follow his excellent take on [B]Thor: God of Thunder[/B] with muc enthusiasm)[/QUOTE]
i think Al Ewing would be perfect. here's hoping he has enough room on his plate for another ongoing title.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;254567]Yabbat Ummon Tarru is an incredibly dark character who has been revealed to be beyond duplicitious.
Even Thanos himelf sensed that she wasn't an individual to be trifled with.......
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so I very much doubt that she'd be helpful to T'Challa in any capacity moving forward, unless Jonathan Hickman chooses to do something special with her character.
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I think not.[/QUOTE]
I'm still not convinced her motives are completely evil. They may still be something she deems necessary. And if that's the case then she's alot like what Panther used to be as far as doing whatever it takes and conviction.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;254685]I'm still not convinced her motives are completely evil. They may still be something she deems necessary. And if that's the case then she's alot like what Panther used to be as far as doing whatever it takes and conviction.[/QUOTE]
Bro, I ship for Black Swan myself, so I sincerely hope that Hickman does some more interesting stuff with her moving forward too. :cool:
[QUOTE=ExcelsiorPrime;254678]i think Al Ewing would be perfect. here's hoping he has enough room on his plate for another ongoing title.[/QUOTE]
Here's hoping he'd actually want to write BP in the first place.
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;254026]"Point Man!"[/QUOTE]
NOSTALGIA!
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;253328]Is there any reason why this particularly ridiculous non-topic is still being discussed in a [B]Black Panther Appreciation[/B] thread?
Reginald Hudlin really knew what was up when he wrote this.....[/QUOTE]
That is meta commentary for your booty
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;254810]NOSTALGIA!
That is meta commentary for your booty[/QUOTE]
Reginald Hudlin knew how the land lay as far as what was going on behind the scenes and just laid it out for discerning readers to figure it out.
Unfortunately, some are still deluding themselves.
Unlike these others, I'm not ready to gush in excitement over Aaron's portrayal of T'Challa in Original Sin because I haven't forgotten.....
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;255025]Reginald Hudlin knew how the land lay as far as what was going on behind the scenes and just laid it out for discerning readers to figure it out.
Unfortunately, some are still deluding themselves.
Unlike these others, I'm not ready to gush in excitement over Aaron's portrayal of T'Challa in Original Sin because I haven't forgotten.....
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I haven't either, way folks is acting you'd think all that hapoened a decade ago and not last year through a couple months ago
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;255050]I haven't either, way folks is acting you'd think all that hapoened a decade ago and not last year through a couple months ago[/QUOTE]
Some people have selective memories.
Neither one of us is cursed with that particular affliction. :cool:
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T'Challa and Shuri standing tall together!?!? That's enough to get some folks in this thread to start hating and waxing nostalgia
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;255326]T'Challa and Shuri standing tall together!?!? That's enough to get some folks in this thread to start hating and waxing nostalgia[/QUOTE]
Different strokes for different folks.
I love Shuri so much because she reminds me of my younger sister.
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[QUOTE=ExcelsiorPrime;254613]I dont know. I feel like if you dont like the character nor show the character respect..dont write him. Id rather T'challa be in limbo than in the hands of someone who is luke warm or hates the character.[/QUOTE]
And then we would be complaining about T'Challa being in limbo.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;255404]Different strokes for different folks.
I love Shuri so much because she reminds me of my younger sister.[/QUOTE]
I love Shuri cause when writers worth a damn have decided to write her as a strong woman of color who's bout that life and not on some bs I can recommend friends read stuff with her in it with no fear of explaining the bs or knowing there gonna be pissed about her being "strong" but not really. I love my sister but she's Gen X Jubilee in attitude
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You know not all of us are still mad about the marriage nonsense that some posters here still love bringing up and us that moved on don't talk down on y'all even though you're beating on a dead horse. No need to be so passive aggressive in an appreciation thread.
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[QUOTE=MoneySpider;255408]And then we would be complaining about T'Challa being in limbo.[/QUOTE]
Witht the exception of what Jonathan Hickman is doing with T'Challa, Shuri and Wakanda in the New Avengers book, they might as well all be in limbo because it' not as if they're appearing anywhere else in the 616 MU.
As for T'Challa appearing in [B]Original Sin[/B] if his prrofile had not been raised by the aforementioned Hickman, it's more than likely that Aaron would not have gone out of his way to include T'Challa in the OS event.
And even then, it' not as if the former Wakandan monarch has actually featured in any of the promotional material for said event.
Regardless of how slow the progress has been in New Avengers, I'll always be grateful to Jonathan Hickman for doing a solid by the BP mythos.
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What's needed on any future Black Panther solo ongoing, is a writer ambitious enough to follow through on all of the excellent work done by McGregor, Priest, McDuffie, Johns, Hudlin, Liss and Hickman whilst mining the trainwreck that was Maberry's involvement for positives such as Shadow Physics and the Nowhere Room.
We don't need any more writer more invested in tearing the BP mythos to pieces just on a whim.
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;255428]I love Shuri cause when writers worth a damn have decided to write her as a strong woman of color who's bout that life and not on some bs I can recommend friends read stuff with her in it with no fear of explaining the bs or knowing there gonna be pissed about her being "strong" but not really. I love my sister but she's Gen X Jubilee in attitude[/QUOTE]
Shuri really is about that life especially when written by Hudlin, Liss or Hickman.
I'd kill to see her interacting with Queen Divine Justice and Sofija.:cool:
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Most people know that I'm a nostalgic kinda guy so it goes without saying that I'm open to all ideas as regards keeping the BP mythos relevant whilst respecting all positive viewpoints. :cool:
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