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[QUOTE=Ekie;3546715]in the end priest was absolutely right in his review about how black panther fans of his run would View t'challa. This was very much it character based on coats uneducated run. Didn't take away from the general greatness of the movie just the character. but like I said we still have the russos[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure you can even say it takes away from the character, at least based on the poll results so far.
Really, the worst thing people can say is that SOME people were more drawn to the villain or the supporting cast... but that's not necessarily a knock against the lead charcter. That just shows how GOOD a job Coogler did with the supporting cast.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;3546706]There are killmonger "is this your *insert object*" memes of him beating tchallas ass all over the internet but we're going to pretend like people are just making this up. clearly there is something that needs to be fixed about the characters treatment moving forward that showcases him in his full Glory and not this watered-down pacifist who wow yes he was engaging in my opinion was definitely not tchalla. might as well make an Iron Man who doesn't know how to invent suits and has pepper do it.[/QUOTE]
I've never seen those memes but even still they didn't need a movie to exist:
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[QUOTE=Ekie;3546709]Post credits line huh[/QUOTE]
[B]So? His line to his father and anscestors was just as on point. And the memes are fine. You Know what I have seen more then those memes? "I neva freeze"
This isn't a watered down Tchalla. This is a Tchalla showing multi layered Character while showing how he is shaping Wakandas future. And Tchalla does know how to make suits because he made his CW suit. Whole he was away Shuri made him a new one.
Also you keep praising the Russo's while ignoring the fact that they he Coogler come on and decide the fight scenes with Tchalla to keep it consistent with what he wanted[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ekie;3546715]in the end priest was absolutely right in his review about how black panther fans of his run would View t'challa. This was very much it character based on coats uneducated run. Didn't take away from the general greatness of the movie just the character. but like I said we still have the russos[/QUOTE]
Yah and that’s not Thanos from the comics. Him struggling to crush Cap would never happen.
That’s not Tony from the comics either.
That isn’t the Guardians from the comics either.
That’s not the Mandarinfrom the comics.
That’s not Whiplash from the comics.
Rhodes isn’t a wisecracking in the comics.
Falcon is a more serious character in the comics but he’s also turned into a wisecracker.
I could keep going.
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[QUOTE=Yaw;3546746]I've never seen those memes but even still they didn't need a movie to exist:
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Let's not act like this movie was following the comics. This killmonger certainly isn't Michael B killmonger we saw in the movies and that tchalla doesn't exist whatsoever in the movie
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[QUOTE=Ekie;3546715]in the end priest was absolutely right in his review about how black panther fans of his run would View t'challa. This was very much it character based on coats uneducated run. Didn't take away from the general greatness of the movie just the character. but like I said we still have the russos[/QUOTE]
Priest had a problem with the Russo's Black Panther and I agreed with him. I remember arguing on this very board that so far the movie Black Panther is not Priest's Panther. MCU Panther is a nOOb. Priest's Panther is way more confident and calculating. This was evident in CA: CW. BP shined in that movie for the most part because he had a small role. The Busan mission in BP was akin to his entire role in CA:CW. The rest of the movie explicitly addressed him finding his confidence and purpose as a leader. I'm actually fine with how he was presented because THAT IS HOW HE WAS SET UP. Many on the board argued against that but I don't think most of you all read the fine print from the beginning.
T'Challa is a nOOb. Plain and simple. I'm fine with what we got because I think that was really the purpose of the movie. I wish Killmonger was saved for later (I wanted to the waterfall scene, just not in the first movie) but now I better get a fully confident and calculating T'Challa in future movies. I am fine with it because IMO this allowed the building up of a stellar supporting cast and fully realized Wakanda. Compared to Thor, the story was more driven by him but his supporting cast and Asgard suffer for it. Seriously noone is checking for Asgard but they are checking. Not to say that it will happen but Wakanda is way ready for a side TV series than Asgard.
Going forward there has to be more of a balance between T'Challa and Wakanda (Supporting Cast). In this first movie, I would say its 35-40% for T'Challa and 60-65% for Wakanda (entire supporting cast) where in the first Thor, Thor= 70%, Midgard (Jane foster and friends) = 15% and Asgard= 15% (I'm just making this up on opinion but you get the picture). I'm cool with T'Challa being 50-60% based on the story line because I feel as though the Black Panther franchise will excel financially and narratively with T'Challa looking cooler and his supporting cast still getting significant shine.
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[QUOTE=Punjabi_Hitman;3546787]Yah and that’s not Thanos from the comics. Him struggling to crush Cap would never happen.
That’s not Tony from the comics either.
That isn’t the Guardians from the comics either.
That’s not the Mandarinfrom the comics.
That’s not Whiplash from the comics.
Rhodes isn’t a wisecracking in the comics.
Falcon is a more serious character in the comics but he’s also turned into a wisecracker.
I could keep going.[/QUOTE]
Point is the core of those characters is still intact. this to tchalla wasn't a planner Michael B Jordan was. This t'challa wasn't a genius shuri is. and then else is going to be pretty close to who he is. Don't let that little trailer snippet that has been edited fool you
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[QUOTE=Yaw;3546803]Priest had a problem with the Russo's Black Panther and I agreed with him. I remember arguing on this very board that so far the movie Black Panther is not Priest's Panther. MCU Panther is a nOOb. Priest's Panther is way more confident and calculating. This was evident in CA: CW. BP shined in that movie for the most part because he had a small role. The Busan mission in BP was akin to his entire role in CA:CW. The rest of the movie explicitly addressed him finding his confidence and purpose as a leader. I'm actually fine with how he was presented because THAT IS HOW HE WAS SET UP. Many on the board argued against that but I don't think most of you all read the fine print from the beginning.
T'Challa is a nOOb. Plain and simple. I'm fine with what we got because I think that was really the purpose of the movie. I wish Killmonger was saved for later (I wanted to the waterfall scene, just not in the first movie) but now I better get a fully confident and calculating T'Challa in future movies. I am fine with it because IMO this allowed the building up of a stellar supporting cast and fully realized Wakanda. Compared to Thor, the story was more driven by him but his supporting cast and Asgard suffer for it. Seriously noone is checking for Asgard but they are checking. Not to say that it will happen but Wakanda is way ready for a side TV series than Asgard.
Going forward there has to be more of a balance between T'Challa and Wakanda (Supporting Cast). In this first movie, I would say its 35-40% for T'Challa and 60-65% for Wakanda (entire supporting cast) where in the first Thor, Thor= 70%, Midgard (Jane foster and friends) = 15% and Asgard= 15% (I'm just making this up on opinion but you get the picture). I'm cool with T'Challa being 50-60% based on the story line because I feel as though the Black Panther franchise will excel financially and narratively with T'Challa looking cooler and his supporting cast still getting significant shine.[/QUOTE]
These are fair points. While the character is still enjoyable I've come to grips with the fact that we aren't going to get any version of to tchalla from the comics in the movie. Except for coats version.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;3546706]There are killmonger "is this your *insert object*" memes of him beating tchallas ass all over the internet but we're going to pretend like people are just making this up. clearly there is something that needs to be fixed about the characters treatment moving forward that showcases him in his full Glory and not this watered-down pacifist who wow yes he was engaging in my opinion was definitely not tchalla. might as well make an Iron Man who doesn't know how to invent suits and has pepper do it.[/QUOTE]
There are still memes of Joker from TDK all over the internet. Hell, even the Red Skull's "You are failing!" got turned into a short-lived meme. The most popular memes I've seen from Black Panther have been those taking shots at Forest Whitaker's accent.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;3546798]Let's not act like this movie was following the comics. This killmonger certainly isn't Michael B killmonger we saw in the movies and that tchalla doesn't exist whatsoever in the movie[/QUOTE]
I disagree. I went back and reread Hudlin's Killmonger and that Killmonger looked ALOT like MBJ's character.
Besides if you are going to go that route then we have to compare Spider-man Homecoming's Vulture to MCU Killmonger. Considering the proximity of the movies they both had almost the same so if compelling "fighting for the oppressed" background that is so seductive to audiences. Of course, Killmonger was even more seductive and arguably more of a hero to Real-life Black folks. I think some of us need to be honest in how we look at T'Challa. T'Challa has always been a problematic character for real-life Black folks. The revamped/remodeled Hudlin Wakanda, makes T'Challa even more problem. A Black nation with advanced tech that looks at every non-Wakandan (including Black folks) with disdain. Why didn't they help? T'Challa was unique in that he didn't think like that but he didn't think like that for ALL people. Remember Senator Rakim and T'Challa's days with Nikki???
Plus, re-read Enemy of the State II. Western intelligence agents invaded Wakanda and in retaliation the Hatut Zeraze under White Wolf beheaded the leadership structure and took over network (called Xcon). Xcon had already replaced the Canadian Prime Minister with a fake Prime Minister and was about to take over the US President. The Hatut Zeraze was in control of this. T'Challa could have controlled both Canada and the United States (and Ironman) through the Hatut Zeraze because White Wolf while extreme was loyal to him. Instead T'Challa created an complex plan to stop the HAtut Zeraze. If the "Killmonger was right" crowd knew about this T'Challa, their heads would explode and they would boycott Black Panther for life.
So please let's not play down changes made to the movie characters to make their stories more compelling. Every movie adapts characters to make them more compelling for the narrative. It doesn't mean they don't find inspiration from the comic book.
Sidenote: Jungle Action T'Challa is for sure not the one in the movie because that storyline deals with an emotionally and physically drained and experience T'Challa. But as I said in my last post, MCU T'Challa is a nOOb. However between the death of his father and his father's folly he was definitely emotionally shaken.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3546710]Yeah, but being the worst marvel film performance wise doesn't make it a bad film. It made it's money and was well received enough to get 2 more sequals, so really it's not an issue. Every single marvel movie up to this point has been both a commercial and critical success.[/QUOTE]
I feel like we are just arguing semantics at this point. It was a mediocre movie by Marvel standards. It made money and had fair reviews, but on the Marvel totem pole it’s at the bottom. Marvel learns from each film and makes improvements thus we see the movies we have today.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;3546807]Point is the core of those characters is still intact. this to tchalla wasn't a planner Michael B Jordan was. This t'challa wasn't a genius shuri is. and then else is going to be pretty close to who he is. Don't let that little trailer snippet that has been edited fool you[/QUOTE]
Whoah, whoah whoah. T'Challa was a planner. He planned out the Busan mission which would have been successful if not for Killmonger. The rest of the movie was him getting his bearings str8 have being thwarted by Killmonger and T'Chaka's secret. Noone could plan for something like that. Damn he just buried his father (offscreen).
Jungle Action T'Challa was NOT a PLANNER. The reason why he was beat by Killmonger is because he spends the entire run reacting to Killmonger and his Death Regiment. He is constantly fighting against them and while winning, he loses to Killmonger because he has been drained so much. If you want to talk about a beatdown T'Challa, you need to re-read that run. I get that there are problems with Coates BP but a losing, reactive T'Challa is not of his creation.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;3546841]I feel like we are just arguing semantics at this point. It was a mediocre movie by Marvel standards. It made money and had fair reviews, but on the Marvel totem pole it’s at the bottom. Marvel learns from each film and makes improvements thus we see the movies we have today.[/QUOTE]
The semantics lie in arguing it's a mediocre movie by marvel standards, vs it being a mediocre movie period. Because all the marvel movies were successful critically and commercially, arging it's the former doesn't really mean a whole lot.
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Most of the marvel movies were successful, not all. Black panther being the most successful solo film.
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[QUOTE=goku200;3546896]Most of the marvel movies were successful, not all. Black panther being the most successful solo film.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. Every MCU movie this far has been both critically and commercially sucessful.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;3546807]Point is the core of those characters is still intact. this to tchalla wasn't a planner Michael B Jordan was. This t'challa wasn't a genius shuri is. and then else is going to be pretty close to who he is. Don't let that little trailer snippet that has been edited fool you[/QUOTE]
Micheal B Jordan’s plan was irrational and stupid. His plan required absolute luck to work. And is basically doing what everyone was so happy they were making fun of. Colonialism. People’s positive reactions to Kilmonger’s plans are understandable but hypocritical at best
T’Challa’s plan at the end of the movie is a far better plan than what Kilmonger was trying to do. And actually is the most super heroic thing any of these heroes have done yet.
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[QUOTE=Punjabi_Hitman;3546931][B]Micheal B Jordan’s plan was irrational and stupid. His plan required absolute luck to work. And is basically doing what everyone was so happy they were making fun of. Colonialism. People’s positive reactions to Kilmonger’s plans are understandable but hypocritical at best
T’Challa’s plan at the end of the movie is a far better plan than what Kilmonger was trying to do. And actually is the most super heroic thing any of these heroes have done yet[/B].[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Quoted for truth.
Kilmonger was a true sympathetic villain, the best kind there are. It makes the story that much better than having a mustache twirling, bad just-because-we-need-a-villain-for-the-movie type character.
But no matter how sympathetic we are, his action cannot allow you to root for his cause.
Do you root for the devil because he was cast out of Heaven?
No.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Ekie;3546807]Point is the core of those characters is still intact. this to tchalla wasn't a planner Michael B Jordan was. This t'challa wasn't a genius shuri is. and then else is going to be pretty close to who he is. Don't let that little trailer snippet that has been edited fool you[/QUOTE]
[B] T'Challa Showed planning for getting Nakia, the casino, the car chase, spying in on Ross, and putting the Dagger on Erik's chest. His genius was also showcased I. Alot fo those mentioned and it was said that he created hos ce habit. It simply that Shuri is the head of the WDG.
You can't expect Priest Panther when mcu version isn't a veteran king like priests. Plus he was 100% better and more competent then coates version. The only thing coined from Coates was T'Challa not doing everything hi himself and that's debate able because otherwise runs showcase this as well. The beads and force push are Stelfreeze [/B]
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Just got back from "The Polls" I sure hope T'challa gets enough votes! :cool:
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[QUOTE=Ekie;3546798]Let's not act like this movie was following the comics. This killmonger certainly isn't Michael B killmonger we saw in the movies and that tchalla doesn't exist whatsoever in the movie[/QUOTE]
You're saying "let's not act like a scene directly mirroring a scene from the comics was following the comics"?
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[QUOTE=Punjabi_Hitman;3546931]Micheal B Jordan’s plan was irrational and stupid. His plan required absolute luck to work. And is basically doing what everyone was so happy they were making fun of. Colonialism. People’s positive reactions to Kilmonger’s plans are understandable but hypocritical at best
T’Challa’s plan at the end of the movie is a far better plan than what Kilmonger was trying to do. And actually is the most super heroic thing any of these heroes have done yet.[/QUOTE]
Why isn't anyone crediting Nakia? T'Challa's plan was basically hers. She was the healthy median between the two viewpoints.
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The numbers are in...
[url]https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-beats-avengers-us-box-office/[/url]
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3547317]The numbers are in...
[url]https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-beats-avengers-us-box-office/[/url][/QUOTE]
This is great. I'm so happy about this film's performance.
It also ended up hitting $100m in China, despite the steep drop it took.
[URL="http://variety.com/2018/film/news/black-panther-china-box-office-2-1202735450/"]http://variety.com/2018/film/news/black-panther-china-box-office-2-1202735450/[/URL]
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robreedwrites, I want you to do my taxes because you have been on point with the numbers very extra like... :cool:
Is Trolling and Lurking a tax write off I got the receipts to prove it! :D
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[QUOTE=robreedwrites;3547414]This is great. I'm so happy about this film's performance.
It also ended up hitting $100m in China, despite the steep drop it took.
[URL="http://variety.com/2018/film/news/black-panther-china-box-office-2-1202735450/"]http://variety.com/2018/film/news/black-panther-china-box-office-2-1202735450/[/URL][/QUOTE]
That is the definition of awesome.
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[B] China's warming up to BP more then they want to admit. It should calr around 110 most likely[/B]
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Queen Nakia: "Wake up T'challa."
King T'challa: "I is woke now!"
With all this talk about whether or not T'challa was a "compelling character" in his own movie let's start with the fact that he is the titled name of the reason this epic movie exists called Black Panther!
I seriously doubt anyone is paying a cool billion dollars to see "The Great Adventures of General Okoye" or "Nakia: The Spy Who Loved Wakanda" or even "Erik Killmonger Seal Team 6 Dead or Alive part 5!"
Sales from Shuri's solo comic flopped miserably as did World of Wakanda so the breadwinner in this royal family is and has always been T'challa period!
SURE... The other leading ladies stole some scenery with arguably better lines but that is like Halle Berry as the then resident Bond Girl emerging out of the beach waters to tease James Bond with what is still an iconic scene steal but the rumors of a Jynx spinoff went the same place Black Panther and the crew fell off to!
Anybody who wanted anything significant to do in this film had to run it through the point guard in the Wakanda basketball team named T'challa or it was not going to happen!
From rescuing Nakia, making M'baku tap out to even agreeing to fight Killmonger who he could have let weeks pass before stepping into the waterfall octagon allowing massive amount of prep time while Mister Black Ops specialist killed time and shopped in downtown Wakanda!
Erik Killmonger: "It's been two weeks already when we fighting?"
King T'challa: "The waterfall be acting up sometimes... I will talk to Wakanda's finest plumber and get to the bottom of the this right away I promise."
Erik Killmonger: "I think you're stalling dude..."
King T'challa: "Naw cousin, here have another water tribe burrito and try these fried yams they good as a mutha mmmm!"
Agent Ross: "Hey, I got that intel you wanted Erik is trained in these forms of martial arts and..."
King T'challa: "Shhhhh!"
Erik Killmonger: "HEY, Is that my state department file?"
Agent Ross: "What file?" (Swallows data)
King T'challa: "Hey I gotta go out of town for some political convention and whatnot just keep shopping I gotchoo money aint a thang whatever you want and when I get back we will fight okay!"
Erik Killmonger: "I waited a long time for this moment...I lied, I killed, I shopped on this continent... And all this shopping just so I can..."
King T'challa: "Shop a little while longer we have a swap meet at the border and you can even ride trained rhinos... W'kabi come get yo boy over here!"
W'kabi: "BRO! Are those leather?"
Erik Killmonger: "Yeah, I got these over at that little shop near the vibranium mines with the pants that match... You likes."
W'kabi: "You were killing us with the Vegeta look let's go get that hair cut for fight night."
King T'challa: "Keep him shopping I'll be back soon."
Anyway...
Try selling any character in the Black Panther mythos without T'challa and I say good luck with that!
The votes are in... Compel that! :cool:
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3547317]The numbers are in...
[url]https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-beats-avengers-us-box-office/[/url][/QUOTE]
[img]https://media1.tenor.com/images/5c52dced74b4628ca26bfb2582d03d25/tenor.gif?itemid=7425816[/img]
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3547510]Queen Nakia: "Wake up T'challa."
King T'challa: "I is woke now!"
With all this talk about whether or not T'challa was a "compelling character" in his own movie let's start with the fact that he is the titled name of the reason this epic movie exists called Black Panther!
I seriously doubt anyone is paying a cool billion dollars to see "The Great Adventures of General Okoye" or "Nakia: The Spy Who Loved Wakanda" or even "Erik Killmonger Seal Team 6 Dead or Alive part 5!"
Sales from Shuri's solo comic flopped miserably as did World of Wakanda so the breadwinner in this royal family is and has always been T'challa period!
SURE... The other leading ladies stole some scenery with arguably better lines but that is like Halle Berry as the then resident Bond Girl emerging out of the beach waters to tease James Bond with what is still an iconic scene steal but the rumors of a Jynx spinoff went the same place Black Panther and the crew fell off to!
Anybody who wanted anything significant to do in this film had to run it through the point guard in the Wakanda basketball team named T'challa or it was not going to happen!
From rescuing Nakia, making M'baku tap out to even agreeing to fight Killmonger who he could have let weeks pass before stepping into the waterfall octagon allowing massive amount of prep time while Mister Black Ops specialist killed time and shopped in downtown Wakanda!
Erik Killmonger: "It's been two weeks already when we fighting?"
King T'challa: "The waterfall be acting up sometimes... I will talk to Wakanda's finest plumber and get to the bottom of the this right away I promise."
Erik Killmonger: "I think you're stalling dude..."
King T'challa: "Naw cousin, here have another water tribe burrito and try these fried yams they good as a mutha mmmm!"
Agent Ross: "Hey, I got that intel you wanted Erik is trained in these forms of martial arts and..."
King T'challa: "Shhhhh!"
Erik Killmonger: "HEY, Is that my state department file?"
Agent Ross: "What file?" (Swallows data)
King T'challa: "Hey I gotta go out of town for some political convention and whatnot just keep shopping I gotchoo money aint a thang whatever you want and when I get back we will fight okay!"
Erik Killmonger: "I waited a long time for this moment...I lied, I killed, I shopped on this continent... And all this shopping just so I can..."
King T'challa: "Shop a little while longer we have a swap meet at the border and you can even ride trained rhinos... W'kabi come get yo boy over here!"
W'kabi: "BRO! Are those leather?"
Erik Killmonger: "Yeah, I got these over at that little shop near the vibranium mines with the pants that match... You likes."
W'kabi: "You were killing us with the Vegeta look let's go get that hair cut for fight night."
King T'challa: "Keep him shopping I'll be back soon."
Anyway...
Try selling any character in the Black Panther mythos without T'challa and I say good luck with that!
The votes are in... Compel that! :cool:[/QUOTE]
Shuri solo book?
When did that happen?
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3547679]Shuri solo book?
When did that happen?[/QUOTE]
Klaws of the Panther? That art was a tragedy. Lol
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[QUOTE=Cville;3547682]Klaws of the Panther? That art was a tragedy. Lol[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but that was a mini series and not some long standing solo book.
Maberry's "Power" arc featuring Shuri as the Black Panther, was solidly legit.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3546943][COLOR="#000080"]Quoted for truth.
Kilmonger was a true sympathetic villain, the best kind there are. It makes the story that much better than having a mustache twirling, bad just-because-we-need-a-villain-for-the-movie type character.
But no matter how sympathetic we are, his action cannot allow you to root for his cause.
Do you root for the devil because he was cast out of Heaven?
No.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Eirc was right, but so was Black panther.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3546909]I disagree. Every MCU movie this far has been both critically and commercially sucessful.[/QUOTE]
Hulk, Thor 1 and 2, Cap 1 and Ironman 2 all did ok critically and commercially. They didn't do as well as Marvel wanted them to do.
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3547510]Queen Nakia: "Wake up T'challa."
King T'challa: "I is woke now!"
With all this talk about whether or not T'challa was a "compelling character" in his own movie let's start with the fact that he is the titled name of the reason this epic movie exists called Black Panther!
I seriously doubt anyone is paying a cool billion dollars to see "The Great Adventures of General Okoye" or "Nakia: The Spy Who Loved Wakanda" or even "Erik Killmonger Seal Team 6 Dead or Alive part 5!"
Sales from Shuri's solo comic flopped miserably as did World of Wakanda so the breadwinner in this royal family is and has always been T'challa period!
SURE... The other leading ladies stole some scenery with arguably better lines but that is like Halle Berry as the then resident Bond Girl emerging out of the beach waters to tease James Bond with what is still an iconic scene steal but the rumors of a Jynx spinoff went the same place Black Panther and the crew fell off to!
Anybody who wanted anything significant to do in this film had to run it through the point guard in the Wakanda basketball team named T'challa or it was not going to happen!
From rescuing Nakia, making M'baku tap out to even agreeing to fight Killmonger who he could have let weeks pass before stepping into the waterfall octagon allowing massive amount of prep time while Mister Black Ops specialist killed time and shopped in downtown Wakanda!
Erik Killmonger: "It's been two weeks already when we fighting?"
King T'challa: "The waterfall be acting up sometimes... I will talk to Wakanda's finest plumber and get to the bottom of the this right away I promise."
Erik Killmonger: "I think you're stalling dude..."
King T'challa: "Naw cousin, here have another water tribe burrito and try these fried yams they good as a mutha mmmm!"
Agent Ross: "Hey, I got that intel you wanted Erik is trained in these forms of martial arts and..."
King T'challa: "Shhhhh!"
Erik Killmonger: "HEY, Is that my state department file?"
Agent Ross: "What file?" (Swallows data)
King T'challa: "Hey I gotta go out of town for some political convention and whatnot just keep shopping I gotchoo money aint a thang whatever you want and when I get back we will fight okay!"
Erik Killmonger: "I waited a long time for this moment...I lied, I killed, I shopped on this continent... And all this shopping just so I can..."
King T'challa: "Shop a little while longer we have a swap meet at the border and you can even ride trained rhinos... W'kabi come get yo boy over here!"
W'kabi: "BRO! Are those leather?"
Erik Killmonger: "Yeah, I got these over at that little shop near the vibranium mines with the pants that match... You likes."
W'kabi: "You were killing us with the Vegeta look let's go get that hair cut for fight night."
King T'challa: "Keep him shopping I'll be back soon."
Anyway...
Try selling any character in the Black Panther mythos without T'challa and I say good luck with that!
The votes are in... Compel that! :cool:[/QUOTE]
[B]Oh sweet baby bast that is hilarious!.
Yeah I watched the movie again last night.. T'Challa was at the center of everything. The throne room scene with Erik and Tchalla when they meet up was POWERFUL there was all types of lightning and heavy words being dropped from both of them. I don't know how people think T'Challa was outshined. Dude easily carried every scene he was in.
On a second note I have to wonder. When Shuri meets uo with Tchalla to get the EMP beads and says she had an update, the way that Tchalla responses ", Update? No they work perfect" and her response, makes me wonder if T'Challa designed then actually instead of Shuri. That whole encounter about the beads and the banter. I think T'Challa maybe created them[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3547897][B]Oh sweet baby bast that is hilarious!.
Yeah I watched the movie again last night.. T'Challa was at the center of everything. The throne room scene with Erik and Tchalla when they meet up was POWERFUL there was all types of lightning and heavy words being dropped from both of them. I don't know how people think T'Challa was outshined. Dude easily carried every scene he was in.
On a second note I have to wonder. When Shuri meets uo with Tchalla to get the EMP beads and says she had an update, the way that Tchalla responses ", Update? No they work perfect" and her response, makes me wonder if T'Challa designed then actually instead of Shuri. That whole encounter about the beads and the banter. I think T'Challa maybe created them[/B][/QUOTE]
That's what I've been thinking too. "Can't wait to see your improvements". If they were the WDGs, they would have copies or the design on file that she could update instead of needing his. They might be the only set and belong to him. Must theory though.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3547920]That's what I've been thinking too. "Can't wait to see your improvements". If they were the WDGs, they would have copies or the design on file that she could update instead of needing his. They might be the only set and belong to him. Must theory though.[/QUOTE]
If he made the CW suit, it certainly stands to reason he made other stuff. But regardless, the suit itself established pretty clearly that MCU T'Challa is a tech genius (even if he's perhaps a notch behind his sister in that one specific regard), and that's the important thing.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3547920]That's what I've been thinking too. "Can't wait to see your improvements". If they were the WDGs, they would have copies or the design on file that she could update instead of needing his. They might be the only set and belong to him. Must theory though.[/QUOTE]
[B] Exactly, the scenes doesn't make sense of she made them because she wouldn't of needed his
She would of just given him been ones [/B]
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What's in a name...
I finally figured it out why so many think the Black Panther's lead character is so de-powered!
It has to be the name T'challa... Something about that name the way it is pronounced doesn't get the juices flowing or the energy level up!
(Except when Nakia said it while he was in a coma all seductive like but I aint saying nothing) :D
So we bypassed Marvel going above their heads and spoke with the licensing department directly at Disney for a full name change!
Since Shaka Zulu was already taken and sounds too close to T'chaka we settled on T'mufasa...
Speak it with an ever so slightly silent T and lots of bass in your voice and watch the power and majesty rise naturally!
[video=youtube;7wZdvyWxfZM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wZdvyWxfZM[/video]
With that said let's redo that epic scene...
Erik Killmonger: "I'm standing in your house delivering justice to a man who..."
King T'mufasa: "Stop right there... Hey everybody this is N'jadaka son N'jobu coming up in here trying to catch a brotha off guard because he killed Klaw who worked with his daddy to commit treason against Wakanda stealing vibranium! This dude right here with all that bass in a voice from listening to one too many Public Enemy albums and Malcolm X mix tapes has a big reveal that I just exposed before he even got started!"
Killmonger begins taking off his shirt...
Erik Killmonger: "I lied... I killed..."
King T'mufasa: "Nice abs... I read your file you killed people in IRAQ... AFGHANISTAN... And some random black folks on this continent... I get it but all them people tried to invade Wakanda too and got sent home with their nuts in a bag we aint impressed what else you got?"
Suddenly Queen Nakia appears and sits right on King T'mufasa's lap and starts feeding him vibranium enriched grapes.
Queen Nakia: "See Wakanda and Die baby!"
King T'mufasa: "Now that's what I call outreach right there... Yeah, you're staying your king has spoken!"
Erik Killmonger: "Hey, don't ignore me I'm still standing here... I found panther claws in my daddy's chest!"
King T'mufasa: "Your daddy should have ducked or come correct which shows that if he had exercised his blood right for the throne he would have gotten pimp slapped day one... You want some of this get that waterfall running so I can handle my business real quick this is light work! After I toss this fool off the cliff set the waterfall to Hot Tub mode we in there!"
Queen Nakia: "You're sooooo bad T'cha... I mean T'mufasa!"
King T'mufasa all up on his game real airtight like slaps Queen Nakia on the butt ever so gently as she giggles and shakes her head agreeably. :D
Princess Shuri: "GEEZ, Get a room you two."
Erik Killmonger: "Look man... I... I just... I just wanna be held... Can't we all just get along?"
King T'mufasa: "Two steps ahead of your enemies, three steps ahead of your friends, four steps ahead of hating @$$ cousins... Now ask me what's my name!"
Just then Christopher Priest breaks the fourth wall, rushes into the room and falls too his knees at the feet of King T'mufasa and...
Priest: "I knew you still existed I knew it... All praise due to Bast!"
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQgd6MccwZc[/url]
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[QUOTE=Yaw;3546803]Priest had a problem with the Russo's Black Panther and I agreed with him. I remember arguing on this very board that so far the movie Black Panther is not Priest's Panther. MCU Panther is a nOOb. Priest's Panther is way more confident and calculating. This was evident in CA: CW. BP shined in that movie for the most part because he had a small role. The Busan mission in BP was akin to his entire role in CA:CW. The rest of the movie explicitly addressed him finding his confidence and purpose as a leader. I'm actually fine with how he was presented because THAT IS HOW HE WAS SET UP. Many on the board argued against that but I don't think most of you all read the fine print from the beginning.
T'Challa is a nOOb. Plain and simple. I'm fine with what we got because I think that was really the purpose of the movie. I wish Killmonger was saved for later (I wanted to the waterfall scene, just not in the first movie) but now I better get a fully confident and calculating T'Challa in future movies. I am fine with it because IMO this allowed the building up of a stellar supporting cast and fully realized Wakanda. Compared to Thor, the story was more driven by him but his supporting cast and Asgard suffer for it. Seriously noone is checking for Asgard but they are checking. Not to say that it will happen but Wakanda is way ready for a side TV series than Asgard.
[B]Going forward there has to be more of a balance between T'Challa and Wakanda (Supporting Cast).[/B] In this first movie, I would say its 35-40% for T'Challa and 60-65% for Wakanda (entire supporting cast) where in the first Thor, Thor= 70%, Midgard (Jane foster and friends) = 15% and Asgard= 15% (I'm just making this up on opinion but you get the picture). I'm cool with T'Challa being 50-60% based on the story line because I feel as though the Black Panther franchise will excel financially and narratively with T'Challa looking cooler and his supporting cast still getting significant shine.[/QUOTE]
I didnt know Priest felt that way about CA:CW. Interesting.
Even though those are hypothetical percentages, thats more or less where I would scale it as well. Our introduction to MCU BP is through a film with a dominating assembled cast, which given the nature of that film, was to to be expected. I wasn’t expecting Tchalla’s first solo movie to be the same. Admittedly, I got lulled to sleep by Marvel’s copy/paste formula for films up until now and got with the Hesi-Crossover by Coogler. Ultimately, he (& Michael B Killmonger) did what they do best, make a damn good movie :cool:. Coogler constructs a number of different plot lines with a bevy of characters for world building; Theres Shuri and the WDG, Nakia and Tchalla’s romance, Okoye and Wakabi relationship, Tchalla and Wakabi, Mbaku an Tchalla, etc. It will be interesting to see how fans of said characters react if BP2 scales the percentages more towards Tchalla.
[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3547317]The numbers are in...
[url]https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-beats-avengers-us-box-office/[/url][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Lord Morph;3547252]Why isn't anyone crediting Nakia? T'Challa's plan was basically hers. She was the healthy median between the two viewpoints.[/QUOTE]
Lupita’s electric super spy social activist was my favorite character. I didn’t really see her as a median between viewpoints, but actually as the other viewpoint. Tchalla was essentially the physical proxy of her ideology.
As others have noted, I wouldn’t mind seeing Malaika return from limbo as Nakia’s MU/comic doppelgänger.
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