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I came up with a theory, a while back, that the White Tiger God and the Panther God(dess) are aspects of the same deity. But it was just wild speculation.
(My objection to the whole Egyptian thing is because the Heliopolitans lack a sense of majesty. You should see what they did to Hathor)
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[QUOTE=XPac;3747261]Saying the gods of Wakanda were the Egyptian gods is a retcons. We have seen the Panther and Lion gods of Wakanda, and they were nothing like the Egyptian counter parts.
That said, I get why Priest did it. It connects the Wakandan mythology a bit more with the rest of the MU.[/QUOTE]
[B]They were nameless, gilis run it was simply the panther god. Even so that makes more sense then Coates completely changing it and leaving it a mess for no good reason[/B]
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3747293]I came up with a theory, a while back, that the White Tiger God and the Panther God(dess) are aspects of the same deity. But it was just wild speculation.
(My objection to the whole Egyptian thing is because the Heliopolitans lack a sense of majesty. You should see what they did to Hathor)[/QUOTE]
[B] Ewing said in an interview that Bast and the tiger god might be cousins[/B]
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3747268][I]Not all nations across the world think of, or worship the same gods in the same way. I think, they could have been Egyptian gods all along.[/I][/QUOTE]
It was jarring though. Lion got went from this
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To this
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COurse, gods are shape shifters and we've seen Loki as a female and child. But still... retconning them to become Egyptian gods was not quite the perfect fit. It worked OKAY... but certain things were a bit weird.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3747339][B] Ewing said in an interview that Bast and the tiger god might be cousins[/B][/QUOTE]
That may be what inspired my idea, yeah.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3747334][B]They were nameless, gilis run it was simply the panther god. Even so that makes more sense then Coates completely changing it and leaving it a mess for no good reason[/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, they were nameless. Weird that they didn't know Basts name until recent years. After worshiping past for a couple centrues you'd think they'd get around to asking what her name was. It's not like the judeo Christian god... Bast actually did have a name.
But that's how retcons are sometimes. Even good ones rarely if ever are a perfect fit. Honestly I was never sure it was necessary to retcon them into being the Egyptian gods... though again I can see the upsides of doing so, as it does tie them more closely with the rest of the MU.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3747275]Maybe Coates (chokes) is working towards abandoning Bast and bringing back just the panther god.......cue the Nanor laugh[/QUOTE]
That might actually be the easiest way to reconcile all of it.
Egytpian gods have a history of impersonating other gods. Seth in particular was known for impersonating the Elder God Set. It's possible Bast for whatever reason might have decided to impersonate the Panther god for the same reason. Snaking someone elses followers to create more of a powerbase for herself as worship for the Egyptian gods has obviously declined.
No evidence of this at all... just playing around with the theory.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3747293]I came up with a theory, a while back, that the White Tiger God and the Panther God(dess) are aspects of the same deity. But it was just wild speculation.
(My objection to the whole Egyptian thing is because the Heliopolitans lack a sense of majesty. You should see what they did to Hathor)[/QUOTE]
Playing around with someone elses theory that perhaps Coates is trying to separate Bast from the Panther God... maybe the Tiger God might be the true Panther god that we saw in Gillis run, and Bast just sort of snuck in the back door and impersonated the Panther God. Or maybe they have a working relationship where she can sort of play the role.
It's a stretch though.
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Since we're talking about African gods today, has anyone read Spider-Man Fairy Tales #2 from '07? It was a good read about Anansi. One those stories for kids to teach a moral lesson. Written by C.B..
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[QUOTE=Cville;3747373]Since we're talking about African gods today, has anyone read Spider-Man Fairy Tales #2 from '07? It was a good read about Anansi. One those stories for kids to teach a moral lesson. Written by C.B..[/QUOTE]
No, but I did read his two-issue guest appearance in HERC #7 & 8.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3747347]Yeah, they were nameless. Weird that they didn't know Basts name until recent years. After worshiping past for a couple centrues you'd think they'd get around to asking what her name was. It's not like the judeo Christian god... Bast actually did have a name.
But that's how retcons are sometimes. Even good ones rarely if ever are a perfect fit. Honestly I was never sure it was necessary to retcon them into being the Egyptian gods... though again I can see the upsides of doing so, as it does tie them more closely with the rest of the MU.[/QUOTE]
[B]I feel your taking it too literal, they would obviously know their gods name. Whenever there is something that happens you literally take thing's as though the character are actually aware of the 4th wall or something. [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3747534][B]I feel your taking it too literal, they would obviously know their gods name. Whenever there is something that happens you literally take thing's as though the character are actually aware of the 4th wall or something. [/B][/QUOTE]
Just pointing out the issue of a nameless god that is later retconned to having a name. The Panther God wasn't originally supposed to be Bast … making it into a completely different being after the fact can create those sort of issues. Again, retcons rarely if ever are a perfect fit. It's what happens when you decide to swap gods or create siblings out of thin air or decide one day that a nation was suddenly advanced for decades.
And of course, Coates retcons with the Wakandan gods will have the same problems. You're layering retcons on top of retcons. It unfortunately gets pretty messy after awhile. But that's just a part of comics I guess.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3747544]Just pointing out the issue of a nameless god that is later retconned to having a name. The Panther God wasn't originally supposed to be Bast … making it into a completely different being after the fact can create those sort of issues. Again, retcons rarely if ever are a perfect fit. It's what happens when you decide to swap gods or create siblings out of thin air or decide one day that a nation was suddenly advanced for decades.
And of course, Coates retcons with the Wakandan gods will have the same problems. You're layering retcons on top of retcons. It unfortunately gets pretty messy after awhile. But that's just a part of comics I guess.[/QUOTE]
[B]The difference between bast becoming the panther god, Tchalla having a sibling, or Wakanda being advanced is that those changes for the most part make sense and fit well enough. All of those changes also happened in origin stories as well rather then our of the blue.
Changing it to where Bast was among the first Wakandans among other gods that appeared out of nowhere and aren't even if the gods mentioned in Wakanda such as the gorilla god, then making them vanish for Reasons, then changing it so that they came to be from faith, all so that they who will not be named can get a power boost from a franchise that is not their own is messy, and made worse that is was done is such a half-assed way[/B]
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