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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1669763]
And, as previously mentioned, barely any mention of the previous runs as well. Quite strange. Guess we'll have to wait and see on that one. I'll def temper my expectations however.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it worries me. hopefully I am just missing some comments/tweets
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;1671290]Who will BP fight?
I'm going to be honest but he feels outmatched by even just one member[/QUOTE]
I think the obvious one is Nighthawk. When the Illuminati battled the Great Society, that's who T'Challa was paired off against (or at least the equivalent of him). Cool thing about that fight was that he's one of the few Illuminati guys who wasn't getting his butt kicked. BP and the Batman guy fought to a relative stalemate. Of course that guy wasn't Kyle... but I think that gives us an indication of how the fight will likely go.
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;1671290]Who will BP fight?
I'm going to be honest but he feels outmatched by even just one member[/QUOTE]
Seriously?
Nighthawk is a Batman analogue. BP would stomp him to the ground while drinking a Wakandan milk shake if written correctly. Dude isn't in T'challa's league. Could sit back and just let the Dora's take care fo the situation.
Now, since comics =/= rumble board, it would be more even but seriously... he would stomp him
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[QUOTE=XPac;1671298]Yeah, if you can beat King Hyperion you can beat ANY Hyperion as he was shown capable of man handling 2 Hyperions at once. The guy was a freaking beast. Truthfully I wish King Hyperion had been more of a threat when he showed up in the 616, but that's an entirely different issue.
The thing that's kind of sucky though is that because the Squadron have their own on-going book, it's pretty much a given that any attempt at capturing them will end up in failure. So either the Squadron wins the fight or they at least escape.
The most interest aspect for me though might actually be seeing what sort of a preparations Nighthawk might have against the other Avenger teams. As we saw in Avengers 0 he's expecting a conflict down the line and presumably preparing for it. In most cases the Squadron is outnumbered, and in the case of the a confrontation with the Ultimates they're probably a little out powered.[/QUOTE]
It willl be curious to see who gets job'd to promote Squadron... probably depends on how well it is selling honestly.
Ultimates would stomp a mud hole into them. Im sure Nighthawk has plans but, a properly written T'challa has plans as well. If you have plans for Galactus, you have plans for that team of misfits.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1671311]It willl be curious to see who gets job'd to promote Squadron... probably depends on how well it is selling honestly.
Ultimates would stomp a mud hole into them. Im sure Nighthawk has plans but, a properly written T'challa has plans as well. If you have plans for Galactus, you have plans for that team of misfits.[/QUOTE]
I think the Ultimates man for man are more powerful than the Squadron, but that's a fight that could go either way presuming Galactus isn't involved. If he is then obviously the rest of the Ultimates don't even need to be there. They can sit back and sip latte's while the Big G takes 2 out of his day to wipe the floor with them. Course, that's why Galactus probably shouldn't be a part of the team... but again that's a whole other issue.
I do imagine the Squadron will manage to at least escape every Avenger team they encounter until we get to some sort of big climactic storyline where the Avengers win in the end. Whether or not any of it will be jobbing I suppose depends on the writing. The Squadron is a powerful team, so it's not that hard to get them to credibly at least escape the Avengers. The important thing is not making the Avengers look like push overs in the process because let's face it... the Avengers win-loss record against the Squadron makes them look like Goldberg. An Avengers team should be ready for this fight... they've done this dance many many times.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1671327]I think the Ultimates man for man are more powerful than the Squadron, but that's a fight that could go either way presuming Galactus isn't involved. If he is then obviously the rest of the Ultimates don't even need to be there. They can sit back and sip latte's while the Big G takes 2 out of his day to wipe the floor with them. Course, that's why Galactus probably shouldn't be a part of the team... but again that's a whole other issue.
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I only read it once through, but Namor was holding his own until he got beheaded. And BM, Binary, Monica, and I guess MAC according to Ewing are out of Namor's league heavy hitting wise.
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;1668726]the squadron supreme comic was brutal especially the way Namor got murked and how is city got destroyed
Than God T'Challa didn't push the button if not this forum page would have been on fire with outrage. I guess T'Challa crying that he couldn't do it was worth it lol[/QUOTE]
I'd been telling people this for months, lol. The company was not gonna ever treat mass murder on a global scale like it was some sort of heroic act.
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;1671290]Who will BP fight?
I'm going to be honest but he feels outmatched by even just one member[/QUOTE]
Zarda or Thundra...
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1671339]I only read it once through, but Namor was holding his own until he got beheaded. And BM, Binary, Monica, and I guess MAC according to Ewing are out of Namor's league heavy hitting wise.[/QUOTE]
Looking purely at the heavy hitters...
Blue Marvel DID beat Hyperion. Though I'd say that was a close fight. Monica fought the REAL Green Lantern in JLA Avengers and they both got one win a piece. That one in theory could be a toss up. If this is the Gruenwalk Princess Power then Carol has fought her before in Busieks Avengers... and frankly Carol came up short. She would likely need to switch to Binary to win that one (which is what Cap ordered her to do before engaging her back in the day... but at the time she couldn't).
MAC is sort of the wild card. She doesn't perfectly match up with any of the Squadron and I'm not entirely sure we've seen what she can fully do yet.
Overall I do think the Ultimates man for man are the more powerful group... but I don't believe it would be a walk in the part. And unfortunately I do think the Squadron either has to win or at least escape. That's just how it is when you've got your own book.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1671354]Looking purely at the heavy hitters...
Blue Marvel DID beat Hyperion. Though I'd say that was a close fight. Monica fought the REAL Green Lantern in JLA Avengers and they both got one win a piece. That one in theory could be a toss up. If this is the Gruenwalk Princess Power then Carol has fought her before in Busieks Avengers... and frankly Carol came up short. She would likely need to switch to Binary to win that one (which is what Cap ordered her to do before engaging her back in the day... but at the time she couldn't).
[B]MAC is sort of the wild card. She doesn't perfectly match up with any of the Squadron and I'm not entirely sure we've seen what she can fully do yet.[/B]
Overall I do think the Ultimates man for man are the more powerful group... but I don't believe it would be a walk in the part. And unfortunately I do think the Squadron either has to win or at least escape. That's just how it is when you've got your own book.[/QUOTE]
We know she can move at a fraction of lightspeed since Monica was moving at lightspeed and MAC was still moving albiet in slow motion. Therefore she might take on Blur, and she should be FAR stronger.
Plus the Ultimates may or may not have a Lifebringer they can call in. It would be sort of comic booky fun if he brought Namor back juiced up for a rematch.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1671354]Looking purely at the heavy hitters...
Blue Marvel DID beat Hyperion. Though I'd say that was a close fight. Monica fought the REAL Green Lantern in JLA Avengers and they both got one win a piece. That one in theory could be a toss up. If this is the Gruenwalk Princess Power then Carol has fought her before in Busieks Avengers... and frankly Carol came up short. She would likely need to switch to Binary to win that one (which is what Cap ordered her to do before engaging her back in the day... but at the time she couldn't).
MAC is sort of the wild card. She doesn't perfectly match up with any of the Squadron and I'm not entirely sure we've seen what she can fully do yet.
Overall I do think the Ultimates man for man are the more powerful group... but I don't believe it would be a walk in the part. And unfortunately I do think the Squadron either has to win or at least escape. That's just how it is when you've got your own book.[/QUOTE]
SS are public now, but I imagine they will switch to a more underground, X-force style group once the Avengers and Co (hell, Magneto should be watchig his back if their only criteria is causing humans trouble) start getting involved.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;1670719]It's already confirmed that the SS and the Ultimates will clash at some point[/QUOTE]
Figured they would they have similarities which is on purpose lol
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[QUOTE=XPac;1671298] The most interest aspect for me though might actually be seeing what sort of a preparations Nighthawk might have against the other Avenger teams. As we saw in Avengers 0 he's expecting a conflict down the line and presumably preparing for it. In most cases the Squadron is outnumbered, and in the case of the a confrontation with the Ultimates they're probably a little out powered.[/QUOTE]
The only real prep work Nighthawk can do is either have bolt holes a-million to run to, or some type of threat where the heroes dare not call his bluff.
Because the Squadron is at a disadvantage facing almost any superhero team. Take the Ultimates. They don't just have to deal with Blue and the rest, but with Wakanda's military right behind them, and all the other Avenger teams.
A straight up fight between the Squad and the Avengers is like the South vs. the North. They (the South/SS) might win a few fights yes, but any drawn out conflict automatically works against them and eventually, if nothing else, they'll be overcome by superior resources.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;1671419]The only real prep work Nighthawk can do is either have bolt holes a-million to run to, or some type of threat where the heroes dare not call his bluff.
Because the Squadron is at a disadvantage facing almost any superhero team. Take the Ultimates. They don't just have to deal with Blue and the rest, but with Wakanda's military right behind them, and all the other Avenger teams.
A straight up fight between the Squad and the Avengers is like the South vs. the North. They (the South/SS) might win a few fights yes, but any drawn out conflict automatically works against them and eventually, if nothing else, they'll be overcome by superior resources.[/QUOTE]
Based on some of the solicitations we have coming up they may have an advantage. Some of the Avengers teams aren't all the close and it seems like with Pleasantville and Civil War II the teams will be dismantled again and may not be in the right mindset to take on SS.
I also don't think SS will be out in the open to really get approached like that. I know the first issue was kinda eh , but I'm excited to see how this all plays out.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;1671419]The only real prep work Nighthawk can do is either have bolt holes a-million to run to, or some type of threat where the heroes dare not call his bluff.
Because the Squadron is at a disadvantage facing almost any superhero team. Take the Ultimates. They don't just have to deal with Blue and the rest, but with Wakanda's military right behind them, and all the other Avenger teams.
A straight up fight between the Squad and the Avengers is like the South vs. the North. They (the South/SS) might win a few fights yes, but any drawn out conflict automatically works against them and eventually, if nothing else, they'll be overcome by superior resources.[/QUOTE]
I doubt the Wakanadan military will play a role unless the conflict takes place in Wakanda. It's rare T'Challa will drag them into pure super hero stuff.
But generally speaking yeah... the Squadron is at a disadvantage against the Avengers. There's only half a dozen Squadron members. The Avengers easily outnumber them 4-1, and that's not even counting previous and reserve Avengers that likely would heed the call if Steve asked them to Asssemble. So the Squadron will likely have to really pick their spots, and ideally only deal with 1 Avengers team at a time. And essentially run and hide when they can if the Avengers are serious about catching them.
It'll be interestin to see what sort of end game we'll get here, because on it's face the Squadron seemingly are just delaying the inevitiable.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1671276][img]http://41.media.tumblr.com/79beef49bc49bbbb7647fcd2a509aa07/tumblr_n6homco8SS1rvm5qqo5_500.jpg[/img]
we know how that ends[/QUOTE]
God Bless you brother.
this made my day..i watched star wars but this relieved a lot of that namor shenaningans knowing an emotionally invested proven hyperion floor-mopper is on my side
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***bring it back bring it back***
Chadwick is now playing Thurgood Marshall for Reggie Hudlin's biopic. I wonder what discussions they're having about T'Challa. Chad will have full access to Mr. Reggie's run of the comics, most likely.
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[QUOTE=Hypestyle;1671656]***bring it back bring it back***
Chadwick is now playing Thurgood Marshall for Reggie Hudlin's biopic. I wonder what discussions they're having about T'Challa. Chad will have full access to Mr. Reggie's run of the comics, most likely.[/QUOTE]
When it comes to leading roles, Chad rarely goes small, it seems. One big name after another.
EDIT: wouldn't surprise me if Chadwick and Hudlin discussed BP.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1671742]When it comes to leading roles, Chad early goes small, it seems. One big name after another.[/QUOTE]
How many "black" leading roles are their in big movies to begin with? And then subtract the ones that Will Smith and Denzel pass up lol
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1671754]How many "black" leading roles are their in big movies to begin with? And then subtract the ones that Will Smith and Denzel pass up lol[/QUOTE]
I was talking about the roles themselves. They bring with them a lot of pressure and even more expectations.
Jackie Robinson, James Brown, T'Challa, and now Thurgood Marshall? It's quite ambitious I feel.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1671306]Seriously?
Nighthawk is a Batman analogue. BP would stomp him to the ground while drinking a Wakandan milk shake if written correctly. Dude isn't in T'challa's league. Could sit back and just let the Dora's take care fo the situation.
Now, since comics =/= rumble board, it would be more even but seriously... he would stomp him[/QUOTE]
unless they don't make him peak human then I see a chance in him defeating Nighthawk. He came off here as being slightly formidable
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I see the Boseman/Hudlin Thurgood Marshall film scoop already hit the thread, but here's a write up of the awesome tangentially BP news anyways: [url]http://collider.com/black-panther-chadwick-boseman-to-play-attorney-thurgood-marshall-in-courtroom-thriller/[/url]
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First look at Lego Black Panther and his jet.
[IMG]https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5770/23443499419_40d46194b9_k.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=Hypestyle;1671656]***bring it back bring it back***
Chadwick is now playing Thurgood Marshall for Reggie Hudlin's biopic. I wonder what discussions they're having about T'Challa. Chad will have full access to Mr. Reggie's run of the comics, most likely.[/QUOTE]
I hope little. I didn't think that version of T'challa stood out much as far as abilities and tech.
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i think the uncanny avengers will be assigned the role of jobbers for the squadron supreme.
And if Miles Kamala and Sam were each 5 years older, i'd say the ANAD Avengers would be right up there in conversation as 2nd most powerful behind the Ultimates. Thor, Vision, a grown man's "Nova", and this super-tech Ironman are 4 heavy hitters who could go blow for blow with any other team's top 4. Plus the tactical intangibles that Ms Marvel's shape shifting/size altering and Mile's invisibility/venom blasts would bring.
But as it stands, I imagine the UA and Ultimates would be the main teams to be put in the crosshairs of the SS, with the UA being the sacrificial lambs to prop up the SS even more, and then probably some plot-stuff that'll of course prevent a SS vs Ultimates clash from reaching a definitive conclusion.
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[QUOTE=Global Honored;1671932]I see the Boseman/Hudlin Thurgood Marshall film scoop already hit the thread, but here's a write up of the awesome tangentially BP news anyways: [url]http://collider.com/black-panther-chadwick-boseman-to-play-attorney-thurgood-marshall-in-courtroom-thriller/[/url][/QUOTE]
Good article!
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The Panther jet
[img]http://i.imgur.com/IsZF8pX.gif[/img]
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[QUOTE=Ekie;1672052]I hope little. I didn't think that version of T'challa stood out much as far as abilities and tech.[/QUOTE]
Lets hope Hudlin infects him with his passion for Panther, and does nothing else ;)
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[QUOTE=Holt;1672022]First look at Lego Black Panther and his jet.
[IMG]https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5770/23443499419_40d46194b9_k.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme,gimme,..........nerdgasm
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Panther jet, Captain Marvel, Giant Ant-man, some red and yellow dude (Hyperion?) flying that I can't make out. I know not all Lego stuff ends up in the films but I do hope we get as much Black Panther as they've subtly hinted at.
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[QUOTE=Dayle88;1672223]Panther jet, Captain Marvel, Giant Ant-man, some red and yellow dude (Hyperion?) flying that I can't make out. I know not all Lego stuff ends up in the films but I do hope we get as much Black Panther as they've subtly hinted at.[/QUOTE]
I'm sort of surprised Hyperion made it on Lego... unless that's someone else.
I'm wondering if we'll get the Lego debut of the Thanos Copter by the time Infinity War comes out.
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[QUOTE=Dayle88;1672223]Panther jet, Captain Marvel, Giant Ant-man, some red and yellow dude (Hyperion?) flying that I can't make out. I know not all Lego stuff ends up in the films but I do hope we get as much Black Panther as they've subtly hinted at.[/QUOTE]
The stuff in the left is for the Avengers Assemble cartoon. Usually Lego mixes thee Spring and Winter waves with both Movie and Comic/TV sets.
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[QUOTE=Rumble;1672144]i think the uncanny avengers will be assigned the role of jobbers for the squadron supreme.
And if Miles Kamala and Sam were each 5 years older, i'd say the ANAD Avengers would be right up there in conversation as 2nd most powerful behind the Ultimates. Thor, Vision, a grown man's "Nova", and this super-tech Ironman are 4 heavy hitters who could go blow for blow with any other team's top 4. Plus the tactical intangibles that Ms Marvel's shape shifting/size altering and Mile's invisibility/venom blasts would bring.
But as it stands, I imagine the UA and Ultimates would be the main teams to be put in the crosshairs of the SS, with the UA being the sacrificial lambs to prop up the SS even more, and then probably some plot-stuff that'll of course prevent a SS vs Ultimates clash from reaching a definitive conclusion.[/QUOTE]
[B]Well its already been stated that the Ultimates are the biggest threat to SS. And honestly if it came down to blows I have little doubt (without pos) that the Ultimates would win because they are superior in every aspect from firepower, resources, tech, strategic/tactical prowess and intellence (8th smartest person in earth portrayed as in his greatest form in terms of prep, and a super genius) it depends on what book SS run's into the Ultimates because or if its a cross over between both books. If its not then SS would most likely escape because realistically, they shouldn't be able to beat them, especially if Namor held his own and 3 of the members are above him. Plus T'Challa has faced cosmic level beings and class 100 strength opponents (terax, black dwarf Namor) so I don't doubt he can take on nighthawk without being outmatched especially with the tech he has [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1672495][B]Well its already been stated that the Ultimates are the biggest threat to SS. And honestly if it came down to blows I have little doubt (without pos) that the Ultimates would win because they are superior in every aspect from firepower, resources, tech, strategic/tactical prowess and intellence (8th smartest person in earth portrayed as in his greatest form in terms of prep, and a super genius) it depends on what book SS run's into the Ultimates because or if its a cross over between both books. If its not then SS would most likely escape because realistically, they shouldn't be able to beat them, especially if Namor held his own and 3 of the members are above him. Plus T'Challa has faced cosmic level beings and class 100 strength opponents (terax, black dwarf Namor) so I don't doubt he can take on nighthawk without being outmatched especially with the tech he has [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm well aware, Nighthawk said as much back in the Avengers 0 preview regarding the Ultimates, plus its just common sense that they'd be the biggest threat. I'm just sayin i don't expect any definitive wins or losses except for the Uncanny team likely taking a loss. When the SS and Ultimates do cross paths, i'd guess any physical confrontation will inevitably be circumvented by plot, with perhaps the Ultimates having the advantage by the time things are interrupted. The exception being if they end up meeting towards the end of the run but still i imagine the SS creative team would rather end SS on their own terms than on Ewing's (unless it was an agreed arrangement or editorial decision).
Tbh, it wouldn't even be the fight itself as a highlight as much as it would seeing the interaction between Black Panther/Nighthawk and Hyperion/Blue Marvel.
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What the heck is Hyperion doing in a Lego set??
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[QUOTE=Centipede Damascus;1672607]What the heck is Hyperion doing in a Lego set??[/QUOTE]
He's in the TV show.
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[QUOTE=Holt;1672609]He's in the TV show.[/QUOTE]
That's the power of a cartoon.
I seriously wonder how many people would even know who Aquaman is if not for the old Super Friends cartoon back in the day.
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Hyperion was quite a prominent villain in the show. i quite frankly didn't know the show still existed until one of yall posted the screen shot of the globe months back that had black panther, moon knight and all the heroes to be included in the upcoming season. It prompted me to do some youtube searches on the show and i was surprised at the guest appearances... including several eps/arcs with the squadron supreme. I saw a couple eps in which it pretty much took the entire avengers team (thor, hulk, etc included) to take down Hyperion.
The dialogue is pretty terrible but its not a terrible show. Not close to A:EMH or Young Justice but i'll definitely humor it once BP is introduced.
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[QUOTE=Rumble;1672633]Hyperion was quite a prominent villain in the show. i quite frankly didn't know the show still existed until one of yall posted the screen shot of the globe months back that had black panther, moon knight and all the heroes to be included in the upcoming season. It prompted me to do some youtube searches on the show and i was surprised at the guest appearances... including several eps/arcs with the squadron supreme. I saw a couple eps in which it pretty much took the entire avengers team (thor, hulk, etc included) to take down Hyperion.
The dialogue is pretty terrible but its not a terrible show. Not close to A:EMH or Young Justice but i'll definitely humor it once BP is introduced.[/QUOTE]
I didn't watch the episode, but I always hoped King Hyperion would show up in marvel that way. Him taking on an entire team of Avengers the way Nefaria sometimes did in some of his epic encounters would have been pretty cool.
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[QUOTE=Holt;1672022]First look at Lego Black Panther and his jet.
[IMG]https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5770/23443499419_40d46194b9_k.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
why did'nt i have this as a boy lol
[QUOTE=Centipede Damascus;1672607]What the heck is Hyperion doing in a Lego set??[/QUOTE]
'mommy, can i get a hyperion comic?'
*buys squadron supreme*
'WHY IS HE cUTTING THAT GUY'S HEAD OFF' T_T