Soooo what the chance of wade saying something and T'challa pulling a civil war with the "I don't care" line? Im gonna say 70%
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Soooo what the chance of wade saying something and T'challa pulling a civil war with the "I don't care" line? Im gonna say 70%
[QUOTE=XPac;3771847]If they needed entry books, they could use Hudlins book (as good as Priests book is, I'm not sure I'd consider that new reader friendly either). For new readers, I frankly think Hudlin first book might actually be a better introduction than Rise to be honest.
Point being there were already trades in the bookstore. They just needed something on the comic book stands. And Rise being a Year One story in theory made sense.[/QUOTE]
[B]And there would of been something on the stands as I think rise had potential to be another ongoing. So you would have the first trade out by the movie with the second ongoing monthlys available as well. It's about capitalizing the hype abd interest. Clearly what marvel has done has essentially wasted alot of potential and killed hype by hiring neophytes and letting them go unchecked on Their stories[/B]
[QUOTE=XPac;3771977]I don't agree that Coates book launched utterly ignoring what came before. The entire narrative was build around what happened during Hickmans run. You can argue he ignored the very end of Secret Wars... but he didn't know that ending at the time, and frankly didn't even need to since the whole MU basically ignored it.
As far as incorporating movie elements... he's not really trying to do that, nor should he. But you can maybe say the usage of Klaw and the appearance of Okoye were movie related. A version of M'Baku and Nakia are being highlighted in the current run, so that might be a nod to the movies as well. But no, for the most part the movies and comics are doing their own thing.[/QUOTE]
[B]Ehh. It's was barely built around what cane before. Basically it was simply saying "Wakanda has been recently humbled by an invading force" it doesn't go much further then that. All the while retconning a bunch of things to try and make his story fit[/B]
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3772178][B]Ehh. It's was barely built around what cane before. Basically it was simply saying "Wakanda has been recently humbled by an invading force" it doesn't go much further then that. All the while retconning a bunch of things to try and make his story fit[/B][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Dude ignores his own continuity so what can you expect. He's a lot like Bendis except no action.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Danileriver23;3772112]Soooo what the chance of wade saying something and T'challa pulling a civil war with the "I don't care" line? Im gonna say 70%[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]It might throw Deadpool off more if T'Challa says nothing at all.
This makes me think Marvel is trying to copy DC's Batman vs Deathstroke which is really good btw.[/COLOR]
The Marvel MCU started out with Ironman which was not exactly a full blown A-list character which means that everything was riding on it's solo success absent Spiderman and the X-men!
This desperation lead to a Manhattan Project style of filmmaking where various creators and writers were consulted to nail this thing down lock solid tight!
Before Disney bought Marvel there was a loan from Merrill Lynch that needed some payback before moving forward with the production of any other Marvel movie!
Once Disney made that Marvel purchase money was no longer an issue and thus here we are today in the Infinity Wars era!
Black Panther has proven to be a cash cow that demands a much better attention to detail and a much heavier hand over any writer or creator steering a 1.3 billion dollar ship!
At this point there should be talent searches for more writers capable of taking a more "Pointman" approach to this franchise and intellectual property!
Frakking around with "Ugly Nakia" and Storm's "Come back to me" should have Mickey Mouse stalking down the hall and visiting the Black Panther department like Wesley Snipes in New Jack City!
If there is no real pressure to deliver better product then things do not get better ever... Is there even a real effort to maintain the black vote or are they assuming lost sales moving forward on the comics side!
You either get out and register voters (solicit more fans) or you lose the election (hint hint)
The lack of a Royal Talon Fighter toy and no sign of a Black Panther video game in development speaks loud and clear... HELLO, is this thing on?
[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3772203]The Marvel MCU started out with Ironman which was not exactly a full blown A-list character which means that everything was riding on it's solo success absent Spiderman and the X-men!
This desperation lead to a Manhattan Project style of filmmaking where various creators and writers were consulted to nail this thing down lock solid tight!
Before Disney bought Marvel there was a loan from Merrill Lynch that needed some payback before moving forward with the production of any other Marvel movie!
Once Disney made that Marvel purchase money was no longer an issue and thus here we are today in the Infinity Wars era!
Black Panther has proven to be a cash cow that demands a much better attention to detail and a much heavier hand over any writer or creator steering a 1.3 billion dollar ship!
At this point there should be talent searches for more writers capable of taking a more "Pointman" approach to this franchise and intellectual property!
Frakking around with "Ugly Nakia" and Storm's "Come back to me" should have Mickey Mouse stalking down the hall and visiting the Black Panther department like Wesley Snipes in New Jack City!
If there is no real pressure to deliver better product then things do not get better ever... Is there even a real effort to maintain the black vote or are they assuming lost sales moving forward on the comics side!
You either get out and register voters (solicit more fans) or you lose the election (hint hint)
The lack of a Royal Talon Fighter toy and no sign of a Black Panther video game in development speaks loud and clear... HELLO, is this thing on?[/QUOTE]
I have ZERO problem humbling myself to admit that you were 100% right about the Black Panther mythos need for a solid Point person moving forward.
[B]this is why marvel needs to let Redjack get on the Solo. Dude had some solid writing in that BP Lexus comic, he has done amazing work on the BP centric Avengers episodes and his criminally underrated mosiac comic And the dude WANTS to write T'Challa. He is a good writer and knows how to craft comics. I think he would be a good point man. I really really hope he pitches an idea to a BP series or marvel approaches him for one.
Bp needs a writer of experience Right now and to not be a spring board for neophytes and their agendas[/B]
[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3772203]The Marvel MCU started out with Ironman which was not exactly a full blown A-list character which means that everything was riding on it's solo success absent Spiderman and the X-men!
This desperation lead to a Manhattan Project style of filmmaking where various creators and writers were consulted to nail this thing down lock solid tight!
Before Disney bought Marvel there was a loan from Merrill Lynch that needed some payback before moving forward with the production of any other Marvel movie!
Once Disney made that Marvel purchase money was no longer an issue and thus here we are today in the Infinity Wars era!
Black Panther has proven to be a cash cow that demands a much better attention to detail and a much heavier hand over any writer or creator steering a 1.3 billion dollar ship!
At this point there should be talent searches for more writers capable of taking a more "Pointman" approach to this franchise and intellectual property!
Frakking around with "Ugly Nakia" and Storm's "Come back to me" should have Mickey Mouse stalking down the hall and visiting the Black Panther department like Wesley Snipes in New Jack City!
If there is no real pressure to deliver better product then things do not get better ever... Is there even a real effort to maintain the black vote or are they assuming lost sales moving forward on the comics side!
You either get out and register voters (solicit more fans) or you lose the election (hint hint)
The lack of a Royal Talon Fighter toy and no sign of a Black Panther video game in development speaks loud and clear... HELLO, is this thing on?[/QUOTE]
Black panther era, Infinity Wars is a team film with everyone.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3772253][B]this is why marvel needs to let Redjack get on the Solo. Dude had some solid writing in that BP Lexus comic, he has done amazing work on the BP centric Avengers episodes and his criminally underrated mosiac comic And the dude WANTS to write T'Challa. He is a good writer and knows how to craft comics. I think he would be a good point man. I really really hope he pitches an idea to a BP series or marvel approaches him for one.
Bp needs a writer of experience Right now and to not be a spring board for neophytes and their agendas[/B][/QUOTE]
David Liss was a neophyte comic book scribe yet he delivered a solid BP solo.
Marvel Editorial cancelled the book right from under his feet right as he was directing T'challa back to Wakanda.
It's funny which neophyte Marvel Editorial choose to support.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3772263]David Liss was a neophyte comic book scribe yet he delivered a solid BP solo.
Marvel Editorial cancelled the book right from under his feet right as he was directing T'challa back to Wakanda.
It's funny which neophyte Marvel Editorial choose to support.[/QUOTE]
The difference is Coates is someone who brings in the "literary" press.
Which is more likely to get them a NYT article?
"Professional fiction writer writes Black Panther professionally" or
"MacArthur award-winning & controversial black columnist writes Black Panther!"
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3771624]Here's an even better question: Why not market it to bookstores as an OGN? And do a little basic advertising in the theaters so that filmgoers know it's available?
(The answer, sadly, is because publishers suck at marketing.)[/QUOTE]
They do release trades in bookstores. In fact, the trade market is a pretty significant contributor to total sales. The problem is the trade market is flooded since every book has a trade. But recent Black Panther trades have done well and I suspect the movie is trying to appeal to that market, but it's hard to break through with so much competition.
Just to be clear, it wasn't just Coates run that had a trade come out the month of the movie (in addition to the previous trades still being in print), Marvel released prints of Hudlin's run and they released McGregor's Panther's Quest in trade for the very first time.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3771955]Funny, I can't think of ONE person who has complained that the Coates run is too tied into previous continuity. :)[/quote]
I heard a ton of those complaints when he released the first issue of A Nation Under Our Feet. I saw a lot of people who thought it wasn't new reader friendly because it depended too much on recent continuity (particularly Hickman continuity). Avengers of the New World involved a character from Hudlin's run I barely remembered. Of course, his stuff has also been deeply tied to 80s Marvel continuity, but that's a separate issue.
[quote]Quite the opposite, in fact. Twice now, he's launched the book while utterly ignoring what has happened before, and yet STILL manages to fail to incorporate any movie elements that might attract a casual reader.[/QUOTE]
I thought the there have been movie elements that were both clear and gratuitous. He introduced the arm crossing thing. The reference to the line from the Hickman run is also a clear movie reference at this point. All the supporting characters should have familiar names to a movie audience (in fact, this is probably a less confusing way to introduce a movie Nakia than trying to deal with the backstory of Malice).
blacksonic it can't be called the Black Panther era yet until all aspects of this intellectual property are catered to even if the movie was a huge smash hit!
Thanos made his onscreen appearance before T'challa and had a drastic effect on every character including Wakanda... Thanos connects franchises that never crossed over into one cohesive universe with one finger snap!
Money talks in a big bank takes little bank way and Infinity Wars did 2 billion regardless of it being a team film!
But with that said... A solo movie like Black Panther having people dancing in the aisles at screenings and owning Black History Month proves that there are fans available for extra sales in other areas of merchandising!
Christopher Priest once suggested marketing towards black areas like barbershops and hair salons and then there is the Blackexpo which could use a major boost!
The point is... A Pointman has to be someone always about that money and not just one or two individuals with their own agendas anchoring the Black Panther in cryostasis waiting for comic sales to sink while they shrug their collective shoulders in ignorance!
If there are potential fans congregating under a rug you need to pull that rug up and sweep them right into the franchise revenue bucket not sit around wondering why they showed out for the movie but can't find a local comic shop still in business!
TNC (Coates) needs to stop pausing for station identification and do more interviews in full Black Panther cosplay (YES negro dress up as the Black Panther without hesitation) and less of those black intellectual snooze fest ideological talks!
Excelsior... Stan Lee calls us fans "True Believers" and those writers and artists that actually cared about the product saw millions of issues sold monthly and became living legends!
When Thanos snapped his fingers did he suddenly wipe out those millions of consumers or have they been turned off by this recent era depictions?
Sales and marketing demands to know why consumers show up for movies and not comics even when there is a spike for first #1 issues... Which accountant is asleep at the wheel?
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3772343]The difference is Coates is someone who brings in the "literary" press.
Which is more likely to get them a NYT article?
"Professional fiction writer writes Black Panther professionally" or
"MacArthur award-winning & controversial black columnist writes Black Panther!"[/QUOTE]
That's more or less what's occurred. :smh:
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3772263]David Liss was a neophyte comic book scribe yet he delivered a solid BP solo.
Marvel Editorial cancelled the book right from under his feet right as he was directing T'challa back to Wakanda.
It's funny which neophyte Marvel Editorial choose to support.[/QUOTE]
[B]I agree Liss nwas a Good gamble. However, Coates and Gay, and Yona Harvey have so far not been so great to the mythos, using it as a prop for their own agendas rather then exploring the Rich mythos and take it higher then it was before. Hence why I think Redjack would make a killer Bp series. Give him a top notch artist and let him go to work[/B]