2nd time at the movie was fun. Hope to see it again soon. Good times!
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2nd time at the movie was fun. Hope to see it again soon. Good times!
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3517345][B] Thing is Tchalla could of done what Doom did and used his nation with vast resources and the brightest minds to help.[/B][/QUOTE]
T'challa is the brightest mind. This idea that wakanda alone was gonna solve everything is ridiculous. The ENTIRE premise of the story is that no...one...could....all the Wakanda's in all the other millions in universes destroyed (some maybe with even greater minds than the 616) failed. So telling Shuri would have been dumb and a problem added to the equation rather than a solution.
The T'challa that some posters here are mad about not appearing in Hickmans run (That solves everything, never faulters or fails and everything else ppl hate him for) seem oddly fond of the T'challa that didn't even come close to appearing in Cooglers fantastic movie.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3517425][B] T'Challa Brought on the illuminate and didn't tell his sister what happened. O bet of he went to her first, then she would of devoted as much resources ad she could to the preservation of Wakanda. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, she would have ... I just don't think T'Challa believed she would be of any help. In fact, if she ended up not agreeing with them (which is something the Illuminati themselves ended up doing), she potentially would be a deterent.
There's a reason they kept their actions a secret .... they didn't want people opposing them from doing what they have to do. It wasn't until after the Illuminati changed their minds that they could work with others.
[QUOTE=XPac;3517447]Yeah, she would have ... I just don't think T'Challa believed she would be of any help. In fact, if she ended up not agreeing with them (which is something the Illuminati themselves ended up doing), she potentially would be a deterent.
There's a reason they kept their actions a secret .... they didn't want people opposing them from doing what they have to do. It wasn't until after the Illuminati changed their minds that they could work with others.[/QUOTE]
That in and of itself was kind of flawed logic on the part of the Illuminati but it had to happen for Hickman to tell the type of story he wanted to.
[QUOTE=XPac;3517447]Yeah, she would have ... I just don't think T'Challa believed she would be of any help. In fact, if she ended up not agreeing with them (which is something the Illuminati themselves ended up doing), she potentially would be a deterent.
There's a reason they kept their actions a secret .... they didn't want people opposing them from doing what they have to do. It wasn't until after the Illuminati changed their minds that they could work with others.[/QUOTE]
They still had options, though. Not acting like idiots was one of them.
[QUOTE=ed2962;3517414]Well, they did kill the Justice League and Namor allied himself with mass murderers who themselves tried to destroy the Earth in the recent past and they basically failed saving the Earth. But that was the point of Hickman's story, they compromised all their values and still lost.[/QUOTE]
Smart Alec answer: Alternate reality lives don't matter.
Serious answer: Readers don't care about the deaths of alternate reality characters We've seen it a million times. More than that, there's no tone of voice, no actor to give a breakout performance, none of that. Just 2-D depictions of characters who exist only to die. Given that, it's a 'safe' crime for the heroes to perform.
Intellectually we might be outraged, but emotionally, we have no damns to give.
[QUOTE=ed2962;3517463]That in and of itself was kind of flawed logic on the part of the Illuminati but it had to happen for Hickman to tell the type of story he wanted to.[/QUOTE]
They were in a tricky boat. If they couldn't resolve the issue, they needed help ... but they needed help they could trust, and help that would be willing to do what needed to be done. That's a pretty short list.
But in a meta sense, Hickman probably didn't want to make the group too big. It got bigger later, but keeping it small makes for a more intimate story.
y'all keep bringing up that run.
The very very very beginning was good in Wakanda, and the last arc was cool with BP getting the IG and fighting Doom, but other than BP stabbing Namor and him getting Black Bolted I could have done away with the rest.
Hickman crafted this overly complex and ridiculous premiss of the incursions, which built off of the even worse premiss of AvX. I still don't understand why T'Challa needed Namor after Marvel nuked that relationship.
[QUOTE=Ekie;3517438]T'challa is the brightest mind. This idea that wakanda alone was gonna solve everything is ridiculous. The ENTIRE premise of the story is that no...one...could....all the Wakanda's in all the other millions in universes destroyed (some maybe with even greater minds than the 616) failed. So telling Shuri would have been dumb and a problem added to the equation rather than a solution.
The T'challa that some posters here are mad about not appearing in Hickmans run (That solves everything, never faulters or fails and everything else ppl hate him for) seem oddly fond of the T'challa that didn't even come close to appearing in Cooglers fantastic movie.[/QUOTE]
[B]Lol first off no one expected Tchalla to solve the Issue.
But there's a difference between solving the issue and preservation. And mcu Tchalla and mu Tchalla are in two completely different points. And Even then MCU T'Challa is vastly better then the Tchalla we have seen since Hudlin's run ended [/B]
[QUOTE=Jabare;3517539]y'all keep bringing up that run.
The very very very beginning was good in Wakanda, and the last arc was cool with BP getting the IG and fighting Doom, but other than BP stabbing Namor and him getting Black Bolted I could have done away with the rest.
Hickman crafted this overly complex and ridiculous premiss of the incursions, which built off of the even worse premiss of AvX. I still don't understand why T'Challa needed Namor after Marvel nuked that relationship.[/QUOTE]
Namor was needed because he frankly bombs aren't of any use if no one can pull the trigger. And Namor ultimately proved the only one able to step up and do what needed to be done.
[COLOR="#000080"]Off topic: Does anyone remember that Hudlin did a guest writer stint on the Amazing Spider-Man?
Guess who the villain was? Morlun.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=HaveAtThee;3516369]Is it logical to assume that T'Challa becomes the next most important character in the MCU after Stark given the film's immense success? Maybe with Strange and Danvers alongside him?[/QUOTE]
I think it might be either him or Spider-Man, though as far as the Avengers are concerned (assuming they continue forward as a group) I imagine him and Carol will probably be pretty important.
And T'Challa probably has the edge that Marvel completely owns him and they don't need to worry about Sony.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3516651][COLOR="#000080"]Kevin Feige will also have to ask himself how will the mutant story will fit into the MCU. We've seen how bad it is in the MU, do we want to see that kind of mutant hating, racist public in the MCU and how will the other heroes react to them.
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I guess they could always lean on the issue of Mutants being an entirely new species destined to eventually replace humanity.
It's not even like Mutants are all that comparable to the average Superhuman since they're abilities don't come from controlled accidents or situations but natural genetics, oftentimes changing them into something that doesn't even look human.
But we're also in a movie universe where Spider-Man (so far) has not been labeled or viewed as a public menace so it's entirely possible Marvel Studios might handle the Mutant situation differently. But I feel like it's not something you can really ignore.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3517598][COLOR="#000080"]Off topic: Does anyone remember that Hudlin did a guest writer stint on the Amazing Spider-Man?
Guess who the villain was? Morlun.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
He also had Mary Jane and Aunt May go out in old Iron Man armors :p.
[QUOTE=Jabare;3517214]this was the only thing I liked about the Illuminati
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this is my BP[/QUOTE]
Agreed 100%.
Hickman totally messed up T'Challa's trajectory having him join up with the Illuminati.
That's when the milquetoast rot began to set in.
[QUOTE=Frontier;3517659]I think it might be either him or Spider-Man, though as far as the Avengers are concerned (assuming they continue forward as a group) I imagine him and Carol will probably be pretty important.
And T'Challa probably has the edge that Marvel completely owns him and they don't need to worry about Sony.
I guess they could always lean on the issue of Mutants being an entirely new species destined to eventually replace humanity.
It's not even like Mutants are all that comparable to the average Superhuman since they're abilities don't come from controlled accidents or situations but natural genetics, oftentimes changing them into something that doesn't even look human.
But we're also in a movie universe where Spider-Man (so far) has not been labeled or viewed as a public menace so it's entirely possible Marvel Studios might handle the Mutant situation differently. [B]But I feel like it's not something you can really ignore[/B]. [/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]That's why they may be better off keeping them in a separate universe or at least not make everyone in the MCU a mutant hating scum-bag.
Oh, my poor X-Men. Where would you be without angst.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3517703][COLOR="#000080"]That's why they may be better off keeping them in a separate universe or at least not make everyone in the MCU a mutant hating scum-bag.
Oh, my poor X-Men. Where would you be without angst.
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yeah thats pretty much the X-mens thing right