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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3741155]This is BS and quite frankly reeks of the whole "dumb savage" trope Storm's "godhood" was built upon in the first place.
The Wakandans know and have interacted with their Gods. Yes, they have a pantheon of gods, that doesn't mean they just accept new ones just because they are available.
They have never been shown to just accept the beliefs of others and to do so would run contrary to the characterization of Wakandans as weary of outsiders in general.[/QUOTE]
We saw Wakandans referring to Monica Rambeau as a goddess after seeing her for like 30 seconds. So Storm probably wasn't that hard a sell.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3741164]Why was the Shadow King there again?
For Storm. Only because of Storm. Bast even said so. Doesn't coutn as a save if you are the cause lol
That isn't how faith in a god or religion works. You have faith she is there. You have faith that things are happening for a reason. You praise her when things go right because "she was there with us." That is the crux of religion... you place your faith in a God you can't see or hear.
Bast, as far as I've read, has never made herself seen to "normal" people. Of the people still alive in Wakanda, only T'challa, Shuri, Storm, and Ramonda have ever truly seen her. The rest of the Wakanda population acts on faith in there god.
That is what I am getting at. Coates has changed the whole nature of religion in Wakanda. And he changed it just for ONE character that isnt' even part of the mythos. They don't have to act on faith... they SEE storm. Everywhere. All over the world. He has changed the whole belief system in Wakanda. That is a HUGE change done just so Storm gets a moment.
There is also huge story potential there but, it won't likely get touched on because it will make Storm look bad (just like it makes Thor and other Gods look bad when writers use the "prayer" storylines). If someting goes wrong in Waknada... Wakandans don't have to go, "Bast allowed this for a reason..." they go, "STORM WHERE THE F WERE YOU MY FAMILY ALL DIED!"[/QUOTE]
They actually dud need to act on faith. Literally. That was the point. They needed to believe in her in order for her to save them. Not belief in regards to whether or not she exists, but rather belief that with their support she could win.
Yes, there is a change in that faith isn't just this abstract thing ... it has real power. TChalla sold the notion that such belief could have thrm, thru bought it, and it worked.
And it probably helps that Basts avatar was the one telling them to do it.
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It must take a lot of effort to polish this turd of a story. Your arm isn't tired yet?
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The people of the world are aware of what happened with the incursions, correct? Are they aware of what specifically stopped them? Are they aware of the narrative that happened on battle world? Because when T'Challa wielded the infinity gauntlet he was a god and saved theultiverse. Why do the Wakandans not see him as at least a demi god? ( I mean besides Coates writing). As the chosen of Bast T'Challa saved their butts. The whole earth's butts. But I don't recall anyone posting anything acknowledging his or any of the other hero's contributions. So Storm saved Wakanda from Adversary. So what. T'Challa saved Storm, Adversary, and everyone else from multiversal destruction. But no props from his fellow Wakandans on panel. Smfh.
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3741349]It must take a lot of effort to polish this turd of a story. Your arm isn't tired yet?[/QUOTE]
Doesn't take much effort at all, because I don't think it's turd. Posting is a lot easier and funner when you read and post about stuff you actually like. If I were to spend every single day posting about something I didn't like, that would get tiring real quick. Just saying.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3741391]The people of the world are aware of what happened with the incursions, correct? Are they aware of what specifically stopped them? Are they aware of the narrative that happened on battle world? Because when T'Challa wielded the infinity gauntlet he was a god and saved theultiverse. Why do the Wakandans not see him as at least a demi god? ( I mean besides Coates writing). As the chosen of Bast T'Challa saved their butts. The whole earth's butts. But I don't recall anyone posting anything acknowledging his or any of the other hero's contributions. So Storm saved Wakanda from Adversary. So what. T'Challa saved Storm, Adversary, and everyone else from multiversal destruction. But no props from his fellow Wakandans on panel. Smfh.[/QUOTE]
I believe the narrative is that Reed and the future foundation sacrificed themselves to save the multiverse.
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Nah, it's pretty easy to say stupid #### is stupid.
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don't test me Marvel
Avengers 3: Marvel OPPOSED Black Panther fate, directors say it was 'NECESARY' - Why?
[url]https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/964824/Avengers-Infinity-War-Black-Panther-death-Loki-Vision-The-Snap-Thanos-Avengers-4-plot[/url]
[video=youtube;S9rockHC9c4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9rockHC9c4[/video]
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[QUOTE=XPac;3741407]Doesn't take much effort at all, because I don't think it's turd. Posting is a lot easier and funner when you read and post about stuff you actually like. If I were to spend every single day posting about something I didn't like, that would get tiring real quick. Just saying.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3741413]Nah, it's pretty easy to say stupid #### is stupid.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's how the net seems to work. I learned that from Bendis Avengers run where week after people were posting about stories they don't like by an author they don't like.
My first reaction was to ask why don't people just read and post about stuff they actually liked, but I think overtime I came to realize social media in general is more driven by people complaining about things they don't like, as opposed to people praising things they do.
But it's cool. Whatever floats ones boat.
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[QUOTE]Faith: strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion,[B] based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.[/B]
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That has been 100% shattered by Coates story.
That is a huge deal for the black panther mythos.
This is like if America decided to pray to Thor and forsake Jesus.
I am 100% willing to sacrifice Wakanda mythos for T'challa. Sacrificing mythos was a x-man is ludicrous.
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edit: Respecting the previous posters' edit.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3741476]That has been 100% shattered by Coates story.
That is a huge deal for the black panther mythos.
This is like if America decided to pray to Thor and forsake Jesus.
I am 100% willing to sacrifice Wakanda mythos for T'challa. Sacrificing mythos was a x-man is ludicrous.[/QUOTE]
Again, it's a different sort of faith. Not faith that she exists, because she obviously does. But faith that she can protect them.
It's different than the judeo Christian beliefs, which flat out state there is only 1 god. Bast is already part of a pantheo, so they already believe in the existence of multiple gods.
And it's the avatar of Bast telling them to do it, so it's not entirely even a complete departure from who they worshipped before. It's Basts too person telling them to have faith in Storm too.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3741615]Again, it's a different sort of faith. Not faith that she exists, because she obviously does. But faith that she can protect them.
[B]It's different than the judeo Christian beliefs, which flat out state there is only 1 god. Bast is already part of a pantheo, so they already believe in the existence of multiple gods.
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And it's the avatar of Bast telling them to do it, so it's not entirely even a complete departure from who they worshipped before. It's Basts too person telling them to have faith in Storm too.[/QUOTE]
No, it's really not. Just because they have a pantheon doesn't mean it's a fluid one.
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Normally, I hate when new writers come in and ignore the previous writers work.
But I can't think of a single addition to the Wakandan mythos Coates has brought that is worth keeping. Not one.
The fact that he's mostly just gotten rid of stuff that actually worked and replaced it with dumb #### obviously heavily impacts that though.
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3741657]No, it's really not. Just because they have a pantheon doesn't mean it's a fluid one.[/QUOTE]
Again, they were calling Monica Rambeau a goddess after meeting her for like 30 seconds. Storm probably wasn't that hard a sell.