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[QUOTE=Tony Stark;273208]I have to say brother. It does feel like that sometimes[/QUOTE]
Yeah Civil War really screwed Stark over even if he did get his mind rebooted. But hey he is the poster child for the MCU so only so much damage they can do. BP on the other hand has no such protection limits
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[QUOTE=Tony Stark;273208]I have to say brother. It does feel like that sometimes[/QUOTE]
I guess they got tired of beating up on Thor, so now it's poor Tony's turn.
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[QUOTE=Tony Stark;273208]I have to say brother. It does feel like that sometimes[/QUOTE]
As JaggedFel said, Civil War really messed Tony Stark's profile up something proper and things have never been the same for his character ever since. :smh:
And another thing, I don't really want to hear anything about Hickman being given to heady portentious prose over illustrated mayhem with panels like these floating around.....
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The above action scenes were all written by Hickman so all this talk about Hickman's long game story telling style impacting upon his ability to show T'Challa cracking skulls on panel, needs to be deaded with the quickness becaue the last time I looked, Infinity and the other Avenger book Hickman wrote/writes were both ensemble pieces.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;272945]I can't speak for whatever anyone else would like to see as regards visual manifestations of T'Challa's current KOTD status but suffice it to say that I would personally like Hickman to remember that comicbooks are a kinetic visual medium reliant on the perfect symbiosis of the written word and sequential art.
My familiarity with and appreciation for Hickman's excellent East of West book published by Image Comics lets me know that he is very capable of scripting stories fairly bristling with violence and cryptically delivered verbiage so it's not as if I'm being unreasonably critical of what he's doing with his take on the Illuminati.
If you're right that Hickman never had any intention of expanding on T'Challa's upgrades then what was the point of making such a big song and dance out've this whole KOTD mularkey?
I very much doubt that a writer of Hickman's pedigree does anything just for the heck of it.
Only Hickman knows for sure what his ultimate plans for each of the Illuminati are but as this is Black Panther Appreciation thread, it makes sense that I as a Black Panther enthusiast, remain a lot more invested in T'Challa's showings within the NA book as opposed to other members of the group who for the most part, have their own appreciation threads wherein their fans can celebrate their favoured characters abilities, prowess and showings.
Reginald Hudlin's [B]Flags of Our Fathers[/B] mini-series featured a pre-T'Challa Black Panther who was more than capable of taking on powerful foes with a plethora of fighting skills, abilities and weaponry that we're clearly on display (in all their gory detail).....
so I really find most of the excuses being postulated by some as to why Hickman's T'Challa remains somewhat vague on the prowess tip, somewhat baffling to say the least.
Fair enough but slow burn or not, I want to see more action and less empty threats from T'Challa.
T'Challa is supposed to have access to the combined knowledge, abilities and powers of every Black Panther that preceded him but to be frank, I'm a lot more interested in the Batman analogue dude.
Hickman's T'Challa isn't built for anything more than watching Wakandan children die, decieving his sister and making empty threats at this stage.[/QUOTE]
I didn't mean to suggest that anyone was being unreasonable criticizing the title. I myself actually dropped it for a couple of months because it was obvious that Hickman was just treading water in regards to the plot. I came back cuz it looks like things are happening again. Sorta.
I was just saying that it really doesn't take that much effort to explain the exact limits of BP's new powers. If Hickman hasn't yet, it's probably cuz he simply doesn't want to. He might just think it makes T'challa seem more mysterious. Or perhaps it's something he's saving for the climax of his run.
I don't think Hick's going really explain Blood Magic either. But it sounds scary right?
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[QUOTE=ed2962;274144]I didn't mean to suggest that anyone was being unreasonable criticizing the title. I myself actually dropped it for a couple of months because it was obvious that Hickman was just treading water in regards to the plot. I came back cuz it looks like things are happening again. Sorta.
I was just saying that it really doesn't take that much effort to explain the exact limits of BP's new powers. If Hickman hasn't yet, it's probably cuz he simply doesn't want to. He might just think it makes T'challa seem more mysterious. Or perhaps it's something he's saving for the climax of his run.
I don't think Hick's going really explain Blood Magic either. But it sounds scary right?[/QUOTE]
Sorry ed2962, my response to your thread was more of a generalized reply encompassing my general feelings across the board as regards developments within NA.
Apologies for it coming across as being critical of your observations.
Yes, the Blood Bible does sound ominuous. :cool:
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As long as Hickman leaves T'challa in a better place than Hudlin did I'll be mollified. Not necessarily happy, but mollified. If Hickman decides to break him like Hudlin broke him then I am done with Marvel. Period.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;274256]As long as Hickman leaves T'challa in a better place than Hudlin did I'll be mollified. Not necessarily happy, but mollified. If Hickman decides to break him like Hudlin broke him then I am done with Marvel. Period.[/QUOTE]
The only mistep Reginald Hudlin made with T'Challa was in the curbstomp he had Doom reigning down upon him leading on into Maberry's [B]Doomwar[/B] so I'm not sure where you're getting the whole "Hudlin broke T'Challa" thing from whilst totally bypassing the fact that Maberry was under no obligation to further said curbstomp with an event which further diminished T'Challa as well as set the stage for the dissolution of his marriage to Storm.
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Hudlin's contributions to the Black Panther mythos outsold everyone elses so it's obvious he was doing something right in spite of the fact that some choose to malign him like he stole their lunch money.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;274256]As long as Hickman leaves T'challa in a better place than Hudlin did I'll be mollified. Not necessarily happy, but mollified. If Hickman decides to break him like Hudlin broke him then I am done with Marvel. Period.[/QUOTE]
Considering Hudlin left T'Challa recovering from a coma dethroned and depowered, it probably won't be TOO hard for Hickman to leave him in a better place.
But I do believe some degree of character deconstruction will occur to some members of the Illuminati. I think they're building up a story where they're going to pay some sort of price for their actions. Really, when does an Illuminati story NOT end that way.
Beast and Reed will likely get off easy since they're really characters that Hickman is sort of borrowing. But I think the rest will likely have a tough time in the upcoming months. Though I'm sure they'll all recover from it good as new. Comic books characters are infinately resilient in that way.
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[QUOTE=XPac;274431]Considering Hudlin left T'Challa recovering from a coma dethroned and depowered, it probably won't be TOO hard for Hickman to leave him in a better place.
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I wasn't aware that Reginald Hudlin wrote [B]Doomwar[/B] or any of the mystical/scientific upgrades [B]Maberry[/B] introduced in the aforementioned Doom-centric event.
Hudlin shouldn't be "credited" for where Maberry left T'Challa at the end of [B]Doomwar[/B].
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But Hudlin did hand Mayberry a was in a coma from the crazy curb stomp he had Doom hand T'challa.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;274641]But Hudlin did hand Mayberry a was in a coma from the crazy curb stomp he had Doom hand T'challa.[/QUOTE]
Basically Hudlin left T'Challa in a bit of a whole and Maeberry didn't entirely get him out of it like some probably expected.
When Maeberry inherited him T'Challa just got out of the coma and lost the BP title and powers to Shuri. When Maeberry left T'Challa recovered and got a small power upgrade (though Liss would later remove that) but never regained the BP title. Plus Wakanda lost their vibranium.
In the end Hickman reversed most of that, not unlike how Hudlin reversed or ignored some of the issues Priest keft behind at the ens if his run. Moral of the story being this stuff usually doesn't amount to much long term.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;274641]But Hudlin did hand Mayberry a was in a coma from the crazy curb stomp he had Doom hand T'challa.[/QUOTE]
I never said that he didn't.
Maberry on the otherhand spent an entire arc building T'Challa back up with Wakandan sorcery and even had him developing an entirely new science called [B]Shadow Phyics[/B] the [B]Nowhere Room[/B] and [B]Shadow Particle Weaponry[/B] only to still have Doom kick T'Challa's ass again,have T'Challa "thank" Doom for kicking said ass in a nauseating speech before scraping through with a phyrric "victory" over the Latverian Monarch.
We're still picking up the pieces of that mess today regardless of whatever revisionist history some would prefer to peddle.
And let's not forget that prior to David Liss BP run, Maberry's run was [B]cancelled[/B].
It's funny how that sterling "achievement" never gets accredited to him.
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BP needs Storm back. He needs a hot woman in his life
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[QUOTE=BlackStorm;275340]BP needs Storm back. He needs a hot woman in his life[/QUOTE]
T'challa does not need Storm, it is disappointing to a certain degree that the marriage to storm that created good potential for future stories and maybe even a third in the line of T'Chaka and a new generation BP. But he is cool on his own. New avengers is not really a book where romance would play any real part so the readers will probably have to wait till T'challa gets another solo book or goes to a more "light" team book like say Mighty Avengers before he starts interacting romantically with women again. After he is done saving the multiverse now that he doesnt have the mantle of "kingship" he could probably play the field a little maybe date Monica Rambeau or Misty Knight... romantic dialog between Misty Knight and T'challa would be probably be fairly interesting.
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Look I would have liked the Romance to work...but it failed so lets move on.