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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2386249]I'm sure they'll look at other visuals from other runs and pick out the good stuff.
However, just like they are leaning mostly on Priest (with a dose of Hudlin), it appears they'll lean mostly on Stelfreeze (with a dose of everything else).[/QUOTE]
Yes
Keep in mind that since the film is part of Disney, they will want to sell toys for stuff that will be in the movie which could benefit the box office potential, which is why having a diverse visual perspective will be beneficial
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;2386299]Without a balance of practical locations, the CGI will look flat and fake.
Think about how Asgard looks in the Thor movies (or even Courscant in the Star Wars prequels) and compare that to the future LA we saw in Blade Runner
which they used actual locations and backlots to make.
You don't see Marvel films do too much practical (real world) set ups for things like this but Coogler may be different.
I don't remember where they are gonna be filming most of this.
That would tell us a decent bit actually.[/QUOTE]
According to this [URL="http://www.marvelousrealm.com/new-blog/2016/6/19/black-panther-details"]http://www.marvelousrealm.com/new-blog/2016/6/19/black-panther-details[/URL]
Filming locations include:
Atlanta, Chicago, Singapore and South Africa
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;2386299]Without a balance of practical locations, the CGI will look flat and fake.
Think about how Asgard looks in the Thor movies (or even Courscant in the Star Wars prequels) and compare that to the future LA we saw in Blade Runner
which they used actual locations and backlots to make.
You don't see Marvel films do too much practical (real world) set ups for things like this but Coogler may be different.
I don't remember where they are gonna be filming most of this.
That would tell us a decent bit actually.[/QUOTE]
They went to Australia? New Zealand? for Ragnorok and built a huge practical set so I would imagine this movie will follow suit to a degree anyway
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2386167]Watched the Coates Q&A at Amalgam Comics. You can see it here: [url]https://www.facebook.com/amalgamphilly/videos/1106071119500129/[/url]
A few highlights:
-Coates planned on using the original Crew, but then found out that Josiah Bradley was unavailable (complicated reasons, apparently) and that Rhodey was going to be killed. Thus, he went a different direction.
-Bast was supposed to appear in issue #13 (season 2), but that might not happen. Coates didn't mention Bast not showing up at all in season 2, so anything is possible.
-The previous Panthers are set to appear in season 2, possibly as early as issue #13.
[B]-Narratively, Coogler and the MCU will probably be influenced by a lot of Priest and some Hudlin.
-Visually, Coogler and the MCU will be probably influenced a lot by Stelfreeze.
-Coates talks to Coogler often, as they are friends. However, Coates isn't involved in the making of the film.[/B][/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://img.pandawhale.com/181009-snoop-dogg-drop-it-like-its-ho-eZH4.gif[/IMG]
[B]Thats great news for the movie here[/B]
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[QUOTE=MadFacedKid;2385537]Spidey is rumored not to be appearing in Infinity War. On top of that even though Marvel can make a deal for Spidey he's still technically owned by Sony. So I think he's an easy not going to be the big 3.[/QUOTE]
Once all the dust settles, I'd be very surprised if Spidey doesn't make his way to one or both the Infinity War movies. That's just money left on the table, which is what Disney and Sony care about the most. Spidey is an interesting one tho b/c he's now part of their shared universe, he's already getting Iron Man in his debut film + i would imagine they are going to make sequels (unless something goes terribly wrong between the two studios), so i think they are going to work around the redtape.
But its also why i didn't have him in my projected big 3. Ant-Man neither, but for other reasons.
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Soon as we saw:
[LIST][*]T'Challa walking to the black car[*]how he and the Dora were dressed business casual in that scene[*]Nakia / Okoye casting[*]Everything Boseman ever said about BP's history lol[/LIST]
It was pretty clear that Priest's run was going to be the influence. But it's nice to get a confirmation.
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[B]Black Panther In... The Visitor | Marvel Video Comics | Disney XD [/B]
[video=youtube;itlc8E6MzD4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itlc8E6MzD4[/video]
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[QUOTE=Nyro;2388176][B]Black Panther In... The Visitor | Marvel Video Comics | Disney XD [/B]
[video=youtube;itlc8E6MzD4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itlc8E6MzD4[/video][/QUOTE]
[B]Look at that, that short little vid showed a better T'Challa in under 4 minutes then Coates entire take on BP thus far [/B]
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[QUOTE=Nyro;2388176][B]Black Panther In... The Visitor | Marvel Video Comics | Disney XD [/B]
[video=youtube;itlc8E6MzD4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itlc8E6MzD4[/video][/QUOTE]
Pretty cool :cool:
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[QUOTE=Nyro;2388176][B]Black Panther In... The Visitor | Marvel Video Comics | Disney XD [/B]
[video=youtube;itlc8E6MzD4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itlc8E6MzD4[/video][/QUOTE]
The uploader has not made this video available in your country. Motherf***er
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So since you Black Panther fans on this page are clearly super passionate, I had something whirling around in my head that I wanted to run by you guys that I've been thinking about:
So as of the past couple years, there's been a call from the comic community to not only have more representation in comics, but to have books creators be accurately represented as well (Female writers for female books, lgbt artists for lgbt books, etc.). I'm assuming the logic behind this would be that, say, and African American creator would have a more 'accurate' take on the character than a white male because he can relate to certain experiences as such. Personally, I think anyone can write any book if they're skilled enough, but I do applaud Marvel and other publishers providing more opportunities to minorities so I don't really mind as long as the book is enjoyable.
That being said, Black Panther is a little different because he's not American. In fact, he is from a superior African Nation where he is not a minority and as such has not faced the same kind of racial struggles as the typical African American may face. Now, that's not to say that his character wouldn't be aware of it or hasn't seen it before, we all remember when he used to fight the KKK, but that was him going to another country which, in my kind, isn't exactly the same. Most of his stories are involved in Wakandan/African culture or high concept sci-fi and don't typically involve standard superhero fare (at least as of late.)
All that being said, assuming you had and African American writer and a non African American writer, at that point would either of them really have a leg up on the competition? I mean, I'm African American myself, and while I could definitely do research on African culture the same as anyone else, I don't believe I'd have anything unique to add to it that any other non-African writer wouldn't be able to provide.
Now this isn't a dig at the current creative team. Admittedly, I dropped the book because I don't personally enjoy Coates' interpretation, but that's just me, and I don't know if he or Stelfreeze are African. I'm also not making any complaint's about "pandering to sjw's or [insert minority here]". Like I said, while I don't [I]personally[/I] believe a person's race or gender or sexual orientation necessarily makes them better to work on a book, I have no problem with them working on it. I'm just curious as to whether or not anyone here thinks that an African American writer would have some kind of special insight into the character mythos that another Non-African wouldn't be able to provide. (I hope we can keep this civil, the people in this particular board seem to be pretty level-headed and well spoken :) )
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[QUOTE=Nyro;2388176][B]Black Panther In... The Visitor | Marvel Video Comics | Disney XD [/B]
[video=youtube;itlc8E6MzD4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itlc8E6MzD4[/video][/QUOTE]
This was cool for a motion comic, using Ghost was pretty random lol
I love how Ross's job changes everytime he shows up somewhere
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It's oddly comforting that Doctor Strange fans are having similar issues with their current run as us Black Panther fans with our series. Don't feel like we're the only ones suffering haha
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[QUOTE=Lord Morph;2388593]It's oddly comforting that Doctor Strange fans are having similar issues with their current run as us Black Panther fans with our series. Don't feel like we're the only ones suffering haha[/QUOTE]
Spider-Man fans too.
We now have to rely on an upcoming AU book to get a Spider-Man that actually feels like Spider-Man, just like T'Challa being portrayed better in other books except his own :p.
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Preview of BP:WoW #1.
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[IMG]http://www.comicosity.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/BLAPWAK2016001-int-LR22-4.jpg[/IMG]
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BP: WoW Preview (Zenzi's story)
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[IMG]http://www.comicosity.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/BLAPWAK2016001-int-LR22-7.jpg[/IMG]
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They powered down Strange to match the movie version more closely. And strange is still winning and just punked nightmare desite barely having magic
They are just evolving Parker.
They took tchalla and powered him down despite mcu version being what he was and then turned wakanda into a woman haters club for... reasons.
They are superficially similar but not really.
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did they fix T;Challa and Wakanda yet or is Coates still going full steam ahead?
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2388762]BP: WoW Preview (Zenzi's story)
[IMG]http://www.comicosity.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/BLAPWAK2016001-int-LR22-5.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.comicosity.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/BLAPWAK2016001-int-LR22-6.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.comicosity.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/BLAPWAK2016001-int-LR22-7.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
This actually looks interesting.. still won't be buying...
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[QUOTE=Jabare;2388771]did they fix T;Challa and Wakanda yet or is Coates still going full steam ahead?[/QUOTE]
It's still Coates punking T'Challa and Wakanda full steam ahead.
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[QUOTE=Danileriver23;2388555]So since you Black Panther fans on this page are clearly super passionate, I had something whirling around in my head that I wanted to run by you guys that I've been thinking about:
So as of the past couple years, there's been a call from the comic community to not only have more representation in comics, but to have books creators be accurately represented as well (Female writers for female books, lgbt artists for lgbt books, etc.). I'm assuming the logic behind this would be that, say, and African American creator would have a more 'accurate' take on the character than a white male because he can relate to certain experiences as such. Personally, I think anyone can write any book if they're skilled enough, but I do applaud Marvel and other publishers providing more opportunities to minorities so I don't really mind as long as the book is enjoyable.
That being said, Black Panther is a little different because he's not American. In fact, he is from a superior African Nation where he is not a minority and as such has not faced the same kind of racial struggles as the typical African American may face. Now, that's not to say that his character wouldn't be aware of it or hasn't seen it before, we all remember when he used to fight the KKK, but that was him going to another country which, in my kind, isn't exactly the same. Most of his stories are involved in Wakandan/African culture or high concept sci-fi and don't typically involve standard superhero fare (at least as of late.)
All that being said, assuming you had and African American writer and a non African American writer, at that point would either of them really have a leg up on the competition? I mean, I'm African American myself, and while I could definitely do research on African culture the same as anyone else, I don't believe I'd have anything unique to add to it that any other non-African writer wouldn't be able to provide.
Now this isn't a dig at the current creative team. Admittedly, I dropped the book because I don't personally enjoy Coates' interpretation, but that's just me, and I don't know if he or Stelfreeze are African. I'm also not making any complaint's about "pandering to sjw's or [insert minority here]". Like I said, while I don't [I]personally[/I] believe a person's race or gender or sexual orientation necessarily makes them better to work on a book, I have no problem with them working on it. I'm just curious as to whether or not anyone here thinks that an African American writer would have some kind of special insight into the character mythos that another Non-African wouldn't be able to provide. (I hope we can keep this civil, the people in this particular board seem to be pretty level-headed and well spoken :) )[/QUOTE]
The ethnic, sexual orientation, gender or personal leanings of the writer are irrelevant as long as they respect the characters history and source material.
Coates has proven utterly incapable of doing this, so the sooner his off of the book, the better.
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[QUOTE=Danileriver23;2388555]So since you Black Panther fans on this page are clearly super passionate, I had something whirling around in my head that I wanted to run by you guys that I've been thinking about:
So as of the past couple years, there's been a call from the comic community to not only have more representation in comics, but to have books creators be accurately represented as well (Female writers for female books, lgbt artists for lgbt books, etc.). I'm assuming the logic behind this would be that, say, and African American creator would have a more 'accurate' take on the character than a white male because he can relate to certain experiences as such. Personally, I think anyone can write any book if they're skilled enough, but I do applaud Marvel and other publishers providing more opportunities to minorities so I don't really mind as long as the book is enjoyable.
That being said, Black Panther is a little different because he's not American. In fact, he is from a superior African Nation where he is not a minority and as such has not faced the same kind of racial struggles as the typical African American may face. Now, that's not to say that his character wouldn't be aware of it or hasn't seen it before, we all remember when he used to fight the KKK, but that was him going to another country which, in my kind, isn't exactly the same. Most of his stories are involved in Wakandan/African culture or high concept sci-fi and don't typically involve standard superhero fare (at least as of late.)
All that being said, assuming you had and African American writer and a non African American writer, at that point would either of them really have a leg up on the competition? I mean, I'm African American myself, and while I could definitely do research on African culture the same as anyone else, I don't believe I'd have anything unique to add to it that any other non-African writer wouldn't be able to provide.
Now this isn't a dig at the current creative team. Admittedly, I dropped the book because I don't personally enjoy Coates' interpretation, but that's just me, and I don't know if he or Stelfreeze are African. I'm also not making any complaint's about "pandering to sjw's or [insert minority here]". Like I said, while I don't [I]personally[/I] believe a person's race or gender or sexual orientation necessarily makes them better to work on a book, I have no problem with them working on it. I'm just curious as to whether or not anyone here thinks that an African American writer would have some kind of special insight into the character mythos that another Non-African wouldn't be able to provide. (I hope we can keep this civil, the people in this particular board seem to be pretty level-headed and well spoken :) )[/QUOTE]
There have been plenty of whites writer than have done a great job (even better) job that the black writers. The Character isn't tied to the social issues of today so there is no need for that connection. Liss, Aaron (in SeeWandDie) and yes Hickman) all wrote a better T'challa than the African American currently assigned to the character for random racial reasons. So no, imo the race of the writer doesn't matter at all unless they are going to delve into African cultures around Wakanda that are based on reality and not Wakanda itself.
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[QUOTE=Danileriver23;2388555]So since you Black Panther fans on this page are clearly super passionate, I had something whirling around in my head that I wanted to run by you guys that I've been thinking about:
So as of the past couple years, there's been a call from the comic community to not only have more representation in comics, but to have books creators be accurately represented as well (Female writers for female books, lgbt artists for lgbt books, etc.). I'm assuming the logic behind this would be that, say, and African American creator would have a more 'accurate' take on the character than a white male because he can relate to certain experiences as such. Personally, I think anyone can write any book if they're skilled enough, but I do applaud Marvel and other publishers providing more opportunities to minorities so I don't really mind as long as the book is enjoyable.
That being said, Black Panther is a little different because he's not American. In fact, he is from a superior African Nation where he is not a minority and as such has not faced the same kind of racial struggles as the typical African American may face. Now, that's not to say that his character wouldn't be aware of it or hasn't seen it before, we all remember when he used to fight the KKK, but that was him going to another country which, in my kind, isn't exactly the same. Most of his stories are involved in Wakandan/African culture or high concept sci-fi and don't typically involve standard superhero fare (at least as of late.)
All that being said, assuming you had and African American writer and a non African American writer, at that point would either of them really have a leg up on the competition? I mean, I'm African American myself, and while I could definitely do research on African culture the same as anyone else, I don't believe I'd have anything unique to add to it that any other non-African writer wouldn't be able to provide.
Now this isn't a dig at the current creative team. Admittedly, I dropped the book because I don't personally enjoy Coates' interpretation, but that's just me, and I don't know if he or Stelfreeze are African. I'm also not making any complaint's about "pandering to sjw's or [insert minority here]". Like I said, while I don't [I]personally[/I] believe a person's race or gender or sexual orientation necessarily makes them better to work on a book, I have no problem with them working on it. I'm just curious as to whether or not anyone here thinks that an African American writer would have some kind of special insight into the character mythos that another Non-African wouldn't be able to provide. (I hope we can keep this civil, the people in this particular board seem to be pretty level-headed and well spoken :) )[/QUOTE]
[B]Race doesnt matter to an extent BUT the race of thw riter can effect the characters, Like if a white writer tries to write a black character thats in a more urban based location they can sometimes come off a bit funny because they are trying to relay how they think they characters will talka nd interact but its form an outside perspective. Hudlin and Priest (the latter didn't initially care for BP to start) channeled what they would considered afrofuturism and what stories they wanted to tell in a very nuanced way, because they channeled what they see in themselves, (and the black community as well, Lets eb honest i think alot of us here would really channel afrofuturism in how we think Wakanda should/would be) and applied that to T'Challa. Priest had the plans upon plans T'Challa always a step ahead, Akin to a grandmaster chess player, always thinking end game. Hudlin channeled larger then life, Im a badass and i will show you why i am a badass T'Challa who could scheme AND whoop ass and really showcased a BP that forced the rest of marvel and fans to see him as an A list capable character that he truely is. Hell McDuffie did the same thing and he didn't write a BP solo.
So while race doesnt matter entirely (obviously, see Coates) it does play a role in being able to see things from a more inside perspective, and having a deeper appreciation for the Character in question. [/B]
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C/S what the above posters said.
If someone told me Hickman would be writing a Black Panther solo, my concern wouldn't be whether he as a white male could write a compelling T'Challa, my concern would be would he as a Doom/Reed fanboy who sometimes gets ahead of himself with his world building and does circle in a square peg characterizations, be able to muster the willpower to NOT make Doom and/or Reed take center stage by the end of the run. lol.
But some of T'Challa's coolest lines and moments in recent years came from Hickman's run (even if a lot of those were offset an issue later with bs), and he's written a great voice for black characters in East of West and the Black Monday Murders.
Liss is another one, and probably the more ideal example, of someone who did a great job with BP in particular, despite the circumstances.
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[QUOTE=Lord Morph;2388593]It's oddly comforting that Doctor Strange fans are having similar issues with their current run as us Black Panther fans with our series. Don't feel like we're the only ones suffering haha[/QUOTE]
I'm actually enjoying that comic but then I've never cared to read a Strange solo before
[QUOTE=Frontier;2388643]Spider-Man fans too.
We now have to rely on an upcoming AU book to get a Spider-Man that actually feels like Spider-Man, just like T'Challa being portrayed better in other books except his own :p.[/QUOTE]
This Spidey fan since birth is enjoying the current run, I see why some people don't like( excluding those still hung up on the marriage no longer being a thing ) but me personally I'm over broke & struggling Peter in favor of well off and in over his head Peter
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2389111][B]Race doesnt matter to an extent BUT the race of thw riter can effect the characters, Like if a white writer tries to write a black character thats in a more urban based location they can sometimes come off a bit funny because they are trying to relay how they think they characters will talka nd interact but its form an outside perspective. Hudlin and Priest (the latter didn't initially care for BP to start) channeled what they would considered afrofuturism and what stories they wanted to tell in a very nuanced way, because they channeled what they see in themselves, (and the black community as well, Lets eb honest i think alot of us here would really channel afrofuturism in how we think Wakanda should/would be) and applied that to T'Challa. Priest had the plans upon plans T'Challa always a step ahead, Akin to a grandmaster chess player, always thinking end game. Hudlin channeled larger then life, Im a badass and i will show you why i am a badass T'Challa who could scheme AND whoop ass and really showcased a BP that forced the rest of marvel and fans to see him as an A list capable character that he truely is. Hell McDuffie did the same thing and he didn't write a BP solo.
So while race doesnt matter entirely (obviously, see Coates) it does play a role in being able to see things from a more inside perspective, and having a deeper appreciation for the Character in question. [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree with this.. also I personally prefer a black writer who knows their stuff and actually likes/loves the concepts ( unlike TNC)...
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[QUOTE=Danileriver23;2388555]So since you Black Panther fans on this page are clearly super passionate, I had something whirling around in my head that I wanted to run by you guys that I've been thinking about:
So as of the past couple years, there's been a call from the comic community to not only have more representation in comics, but to have books creators be accurately represented as well (Female writers for female books, lgbt artists for lgbt books, etc.). I'm assuming the logic behind this would be that, say, and African American creator would have a more 'accurate' take on the character than a white male because he can relate to certain experiences as such. Personally, I think anyone can write any book if they're skilled enough, but I do applaud Marvel and other publishers providing more opportunities to minorities so I don't really mind as long as the book is enjoyable.
That being said, Black Panther is a little different because he's not American. In fact, he is from a superior African Nation where he is not a minority and as such has not faced the same kind of racial struggles as the typical African American may face. Now, that's not to say that his character wouldn't be aware of it or hasn't seen it before, we all remember when he used to fight the KKK, but that was him going to another country which, in my kind, isn't exactly the same. Most of his stories are involved in Wakandan/African culture or high concept sci-fi and don't typically involve standard superhero fare (at least as of late.)
All that being said, assuming you had and African American writer and a non African American writer, at that point would either of them really have a leg up on the competition? I mean, I'm African American myself, and while I could definitely do research on African culture the same as anyone else, I don't believe I'd have anything unique to add to it that any other non-African writer wouldn't be able to provide.
Now this isn't a dig at the current creative team. Admittedly, I dropped the book because I don't personally enjoy Coates' interpretation, but that's just me, and I don't know if he or Stelfreeze are African. I'm also not making any complaint's about "pandering to sjw's or [insert minority here]". Like I said, while I don't [I]personally[/I] believe a person's race or gender or sexual orientation necessarily makes them better to work on a book, I have no problem with them working on it. I'm just curious as to whether or not anyone here thinks that an African American writer would have some kind of special insight into the character mythos that another Non-African wouldn't be able to provide. (I hope we can keep this civil, the people in this particular board seem to be pretty level-headed and well spoken :) )[/QUOTE]
It's not really about picking a writer solely on race, gender, or nationality. It's more about picking a writer that's familiar with the environment he's writing about. Of course, we want more diversity in the writing and editorial staff because people from different backgrounds can bring in a greater variety of life experiences and concepts to the table. And we can get more authenticity in some of those stories. But we shouldn't be saying "Only X can write X characters and only Y can write Y characters."
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2388767]They powered down Strange to match the movie version more closely. And strange is still winning and just punked nightmare desite barely having magic[/QUOTE]
Except movie!Strange has more going for him than that $&#* axe or a need to eat weird food.
No, Strange was depowered so Aaron could show off his "cool" new villains and his whole "magic has a price" concept.
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Yeah nerfs usually come with movie appearances.
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[QUOTE=JediKage;2389412]Yeah nerfs usually come with movie appearances.[/QUOTE]
[B] Depends, I would say cap, widow, Clint and Sam are More so buffed. T'Challa too to some extent [/B]
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Barnes too. In the comics, the only enhancement he has is his cybernetic arm while in the movies he also has the super soldier serum.
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It amuses me how many of Aaron's choices were blamed on the movie.
"They de-aged him for the movie!"
Movie!Strange has the gray sideburns.
"They changed the cloak for the movie"
The movie cloak not only has the raised collar, but is more animated than it has been in years.
"They de-powered him for the movie"
See my post above.
"They took away magic because there's no real magic in the MCU, only alien science."
[I]Doctor Strange[/I] introduces proper magic into the MCU.
To be honest, I'd rather read the further adventures of movie!Strange than another year of "Stephen Strange... novice sorcerer with an axe".
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2389715]It amuses me how many of Aaron's choices were blamed on the movie.
"They de-aged him for the movie!"
Movie!Strange has the gray sideburns.
"They changed the cloak for the movie"
The movie cloak not only has the raised collar, but is more animated than it has been in years.
"They de-powered him for the movie"
See my post above.
"They took away magic because there's no real magic in the MCU, only alien science."
[I]Doctor Strange[/I] introduces proper magic into the MCU.
To be honest, I'd rather read the further adventures of movie!Strange than another year of "Stephen Strange... novice sorcerer with an axe".[/QUOTE]
To be fair though, while yes they had proper magic...
[spoil] Mordos and Wongs go tos in combat were... magic staffs. The bad guys were magic glass staffs. Strange used a magic whip. and Ancient One used magic fan blades.
There was heavy, heavy, heavy martial arts in thsi movie [/spoil]
I'm sure Strange is on the path to being repowered though (again... lol)
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Need some help. Reading time runs out. Which comic does the Cabal take Wakanda? Or does it happen off panel?
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[QUOTE=Cville;2389868]Need some help. Reading time runs out. Which comic does the Cabal take Wakanda? Or does it happen off panel?[/QUOTE]
Off panel
However, we see that for the first time in New Avengers #24.
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;2389871]Off panel
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Jonathon "Off Panel" Hickman struck again!
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;2389871]Off panel
However, we see that for the first time in New Avengers #24.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the assist. Thought I missed a major comic. Now I understand the hate this forum has towards Hickman. Something like that should be explained fully. I was like what the.... lol
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[QUOTE=Cville;2389877]Thanks for the assist. Thought I missed a major comic. Now I understand the hate this forum has towards Hickman. Something like that should be explained fully. I was like what the.... lol[/QUOTE]
Yeah
I remember when I saw it for the first time was surprised and annoyed at the same time especially what happened to a certain character afterwards that happened off panel lol
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[QUOTE=Rumble;2389165]C/S what the above posters said.
If someone told me Hickman would be writing a Black Panther solo, my concern wouldn't be whether he as a white male could write a compelling T'Challa, my concern would be would he as a Doom/Reed fanboy who sometimes gets ahead of himself with his world building and does circle in a square peg characterizations, be able to muster the willpower to NOT make Doom and/or Reed take center stage by the end of the run. lol.
But some of T'Challa's coolest lines and moments in recent years came from Hickman's run (even if a lot of those were offset an issue later with bs), and he's written a great voice for black characters in East of West and the Black Monday Murders.
Liss is another one, and probably the more ideal example, of someone who did a great job with BP in particular, despite the circumstances.[/QUOTE]
Let's not forget Don McGregor.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2389872]Jonathon "Off Panel" Hickman struck again![/QUOTE]
and the off panel fights lol