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[QUOTE=XPac;2821687]And that is a good example of how a scientist like T'Challa can think. He's in the middle of a fight, and 60 seconds into it he's already expressing an interest in what he might have to learn from Nightshade. Despite being from a nation as advanced as his, T'Challa isn't arrogant enough to assume he's got nothing to learn from other intellects or other countries or even other experiences. He's smart enough to understand there are things he can learn from Nightshade, and things he can learn from the Avengers.[/QUOTE]
[B]No one is saying he couldn't learn anything from the Avengers that's the point of spying your learning and gathering information. What people are calling bullshit on are Tchallas reasons for joining them under Coates pen. Priest Panther did it to protect his nation Because he puts Wakanda above all else some long shot T'Challa does that's badass. Coates wants to come in and say that Tchalla instead was wanting to find an excuse to leave Wakanda and the Avenger's was the perfect opportunity to leave his responsibilities Because Coates T'Challa doesn't want to be king because he is a scientist at heart.
That's the difference, that is the issu. It's pretty clear [/B]
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[QUOTE=Rumble;2821752]So Tony, Hank and Clint didn't actually teach T'Challa anything? :confused: They just went on adventures, fought kang the conqueror and other misc stuff?
I think experiencing all those adventures while joining to spy on them white folks sounds way cooler than experiencing all those adventures while joining wide-eyed to learn from them white folks. Then again, one of those sounds safer and less aggressive.[/QUOTE]
That's the thing, it's like T'Challa is some boob from the hicks who needed to join the Avengers to get an education. He didn't need to join to do that.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2821761][B]No one is saying he couldn't learn anything from the Avengers that's the point of spying your learning and gathering information. What people are calling bullshit on are Tchallas reasons for joining them under Coates pen. Priest Panther did it to protect his nation Because he puts Wakanda above all else some long shot T'Challa does that's badass. Coates wants to come in and say that Tchalla instead was wanting to find an excuse to leave Wakanda and the Avenger's was the perfect opportunity to leave his responsibilities Because Coates T'Challa doesn't want to be king because he is a scientist at heart.
That's the difference, that is the issu. It's pretty clear [/B][/QUOTE]
That my friend is the issue. The could he learn from the Avengers? Sure. Did he need the Avengers to learn anything? No. So does he have anulterior motive for joining? Yes. To spy on a group of superhumans that have set themselves as Earth's protectors.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2821772]That's the thing, it's like T'Challa is some boob from the hicks who needed to join the Avengers to get an education. He didn't need to join to do that.[/QUOTE]
T'Challa doesn't have to be any sort of boob to realize he can learn a great deal from the Avengers. Again, during his confrontation with Nightshade he expressed interest in learning from her, and she's not even as highly a rated an intellect as several of the Avengers T'Challa ended up working with.
Again, despite being from an advanced nation he's not arrogant enough to believe he doesn't have anything to learn from Nightshade, or the Avengers for that matter. Just as there are things T'Challa may likely have greater expertise in, so there are things guys like Pym and Beast and Stark may have greater expertise in as well.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2821744]You sound as if T'Challa was some wide-eyed kid from Kansas who knew nothing outside ofthe farm. You don't think he know that there were other dimensions or parallel worlds? Dude wasn't just some auto mechanic working in the famly garage.[/QUOTE]
So because I know that Italy exists, I can learn nothing from going there?
That is what you are arguing now.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;2821794]So because I know that Italy exists, I can learn nothing from going there?
That is what you are arguing now.[/QUOTE]
No, I just don't need to ride with you to Italy to learn about it.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2821781]That my friend is the issue. The could he learn from the Avengers? Sure. Did he need the Avengers to learn anything? No. So does he have anulterior motive for joining? Yes. To spy on a group of superhumans that have set themselves as Earth's protectors.[/QUOTE]
[B] Exactly, Priest Version is some badass King ****, and sends the message, Tchalla don't play around. Coates version is weak ass I don't want responsibility and these folks can teach me because I'm curious because I'm a scientist at heart (Instead of a warrior king super hero scientist) Tchalla isn't Reed. He is his own scheming planning badass that keeps up with Reed intellectually, Tony technologically Nd Cap physically with ease. No matter what unfans and their leader Coates tries to pull.
Good thing MCU is being true with Ryan and t'chadwick channeling the REAL T'Challa [/B]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2821799]No, I just don't need to ride with you to Italy to learn about it.[/QUOTE]
He wouldn't have had a reason to do any that stuff if wasn't an Avenger.
At best he'd of done some of it years later.
And now we are in "What If" territory.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;2821818]He wouldn't have had a reason to do any that stuff if wasn't an Avenger.
At best he'd of done some of it years later.
And now we are in "What If" territory.[/QUOTE]
T'Challa studied in Western universities before becoming king. He didn't need to join the Avengers to do that. So we can't say that he wouldn't have any reason to venture out if it weren't for the Avengers.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2821792]T'Challa doesn't have to be any sort of boob to realize he can learn a great deal from the Avengers. Again, during his confrontation with Nightshade he expressed interest in learning from her, and she's not even as highly a rated an intellect as several of the Avengers T'Challa ended up working with.
Again, despite being from an advanced nation he's not arrogant enough to believe he doesn't have anything to learn from Nightshade, or the Avengers for that matter. Just as there are things T'Challa may likely have greater expertise in, so there are things guys like Pym and Beast and Stark may have greater expertise in as well.[/QUOTE]
Sure, he can learn from the Avengers. But that wasn't his reason for joining. He joined to spy on them.
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I can't understand why some of you are wasting time debating over a subject that Priest explored during his stellar BP run.
Priest clearly illustrated T'Challa at his shrewdest, when his reasons for joining the Avengers were laid bare.
In one fell swoop, he created the foundation upon which a revitalised and repurposed T'Challa was launched upon an unsuspecting fanbase.
Enigmatic, unknowable and all the more deadly for it, the ten steps ahead of his opponents T'Challa introduced by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby back in 1966, was back in town kicking ass and taking names using a combination of genius level guile and martial prowess to achieve his overarching objectives.
Critically acclaimed and loved by readers enthused by a swagged out T'Challa, Priest was hailed as being the writer who brought the BP mythos back to centre stage.
Priest's Black Panther was a character you had to sit up and take notice of whether you liked it or not.
Priest got major props from appreciative BP enthusiasts but has ever been the case, there were some who chose to go the dark route with complaints that T'Challa was a Gary Stuart under Priest's pen.
Today, Coates is writing a BP book that diminishes all that T'Challa is, and some find this take more to their liking.
The age of the Unfan seems to be in the ascendant but as I've stated previously, the cancellation of the two satellite BP books indicates a chink in the armor of this writer that may lead to a full blown rout.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2821938]I can't understand why some of you are wasting time debating over a subject that Priest explored during his stellar BP run.
Priest clearly illustrated T'Challa at his shrewdest, when his reasons for joining the Avengers were laid bare.
In one fell swoop, he created the foundation upon which a revitalised and repurposed T'Challa was launched upon an unsuspecting fanbase.
Enigmatic, unknowable and all the more deadly for it, the ten steps ahead of his opponents T'Challa introduced by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby back in 1966, was back in town kicking ass and taking names using a combination of genius level guile and martial prowess to achieve his overarching objectives.
Critically acclaimed and loved by readers enthused by a swagged out T'Challa, Priest was hailed as being the writer who brought the BP mythos back to centre stage.
Priest's Black Panther was a character you had to sit up and take notice of whether you liked it or not.
Priest got major props from appreciative BP enthusiasts but has ever been the case, there were some who chose to go the dark route with complaints that T'Challa was a Gary Stuart under Priest's pen.
Today, Coates is writing a BP book that diminishes all that T'Challa is, and some find this take more to their liking.
The age of the Unfan seems to be in the ascendant but as I've stated previously, the cancellation of the two satellite BP books indicates a chink in the armor of this writer that may lead to a full blown rout.[/QUOTE]
The dissemination of misinformation among the Panther Nation requires dedication of determination to the termination of said information lest it become an infestation.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2820691]Why exactly does being a school teacher allow him to blend into the Avengers? None of the other Avengers are school teachers, so him not being one probably isn't much of a red flag.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't help as far as spying on the Avengers. In fact, it's needlessly complicated if it's only a front. However, it works if T'Challa not doing much else and he wants to give back to the community or if he wants to connect to other black folks.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;2821818]He wouldn't have had a reason to do any that stuff if wasn't an Avenger.
At best he'd of done some of it years later.
And now we are in "What If" territory.[/QUOTE]
He would have done it if he stayed an FF cast member.
Or if he had formed his own "The Royal Science Patrol" or something. In fact, that would be a cool pitch if they ever brought back WoW. Young T'Challa's fantasy adventures...
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2821938]I can't understand why some of you are wasting time debating over a subject that Priest explored during his stellar BP run.
Priest clearly illustrated T'Challa at his shrewdest, when his reasons for joining the Avengers were laid bare.
In one fell swoop, he created the foundation upon which a revitalised and repurposed T'Challa was launched upon an unsuspecting fanbase.
Enigmatic, unknowable and all the more deadly for it, the ten steps ahead of his opponents T'Challa introduced by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby back in 1966, was back in town kicking ass and taking names using a combination of genius level guile and martial prowess to achieve his overarching objectives.
Critically acclaimed and loved by readers enthused by a swagged out T'Challa, Priest was hailed as being the writer who brought the BP mythos back to centre stage.
Priest's Black Panther was a character you had to sit up and take notice of whether you liked it or not.
Priest got major props from appreciative BP enthusiasts but has ever been the case, there were some who chose to go the dark route with complaints that T'Challa was a Gary Stuart under Priest's pen.
Today, Coates is writing a BP book that diminishes all that T'Challa is, and some find this take more to their liking.
The age of the Unfan seems to be in the ascendant but as I've stated previously, the cancellation of the two satellite BP books indicates a chink in the armor of this writer that may lead to a full blown rout.[/QUOTE]
[B]Nah Nah Brotha Maj, you go it mixed-up. Unfans hated Priest run because T'Challa had Tech and a badass Microweave and badass gadgets as well as Supreme martial arts prowess to go with his genius and plans upon plans and the unfan whined that Tchalla should run around in a kitty suit without any protection and showcase how well he could take a beating and How honorable he was.
Hudlin's Panther was the version unfans cried fowl to Gary Stu due to his swagger, charisma, and confidence I. A sense that Priests version was a more secretive, Hudlin's version was upfront about it. Unfans cried when the real Tchalla was putting game and the women either white or of color, were wanting to get down with the King.
An unfans worst nightmare :cool: [/B]
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[QUOTE=XPac;2821792]T'Challa doesn't have to be any sort of boob to realize he can learn a great deal from the Avengers. Again, during his confrontation with Nightshade he expressed interest in learning from her, and she's not even as highly a rated an intellect as several of the Avengers T'Challa ended up working with.
Again, despite being from an advanced nation he's not arrogant enough to believe he doesn't have anything to learn from Nightshade, or the Avengers for that matter. Just as there are things T'Challa may likely have greater expertise in, so there are things guys like Pym and Beast and Stark may have greater expertise in as well.[/QUOTE]
The issue really isn't whether or not he could learn anything from the Avengers. The issue is that Coate's retcon subverts the character's previously established personality to re-enforce his version and it does so in a way that poses more questions than it answers.
Say I leave my home when I'm 18 and join the army. Most people just assume I did it cuz I wanted a career. Fine. Then years later I admit, I did it because I was secretly fighting with my dad and I just had to get out of the house. Folks go ok...understandable. But [I]then[/I], I start telling people the reason I left was because my dad wouldn't let me see my girlfriend. Folks will start thinking, "If that was the real reason all along, why didn't you actually spend time with her when you had the chance?"
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Wait so now the arguement is T'Challa joined the Avengers to learn geography? :confused:
This is so confusing :(
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2821837]Sure, he can learn from the Avengers. But that wasn't his reason for joining. He joined to spy on them.[/QUOTE]
Spying originally wasn't his reason either. Again these are all retcons decades after the fact. But because this is fiction Priest explanation became the real reason once he wrote, and the same thing happened with Coates.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2821772]That's the thing, it's like T'Challa is some boob from the hicks who needed to join the Avengers to get an education. He didn't need to join to do that.[/QUOTE]
Are these guys tchalla fans or are they here to just ride with the mayberrys and coates of the world? Is it a paid gig like one of those secret shopper hustles? Im genuinely curious about this now..
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[QUOTE=XPac;2822082]Spying originally wasn't his reason either. Again these are all retcons decades after the fact. But because this is fiction Priest explanation became the real reason once he wrote, and the same thing happened with Coates.[/QUOTE]
[B]Coates version is to be ignored because it goes against everything that Tchalla represents and stands for. True fans will recognize the real reason, not this fake bullshit version Coates tried and failed to re-establish as canon[/B]
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2821938]I can't understand why some of you are wasting time debating over a subject that Priest explored during his stellar BP run.
Priest clearly illustrated T'Challa at his shrewdest, when his reasons for joining the Avengers were laid bare.
In one fell swoop, he created the foundation upon which a revitalised and repurposed T'Challa was launched upon an unsuspecting fanbase.
Enigmatic, unknowable and all the more deadly for it, the ten steps ahead of his opponents T'Challa introduced by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby back in 1966, was back in town kicking ass and taking names using a combination of genius level guile and martial prowess to achieve his overarching objectives.
Critically acclaimed and loved by readers enthused by a swagged out T'Challa, Priest was hailed as being the writer who brought the BP mythos back to centre stage.
Priest's Black Panther was a character you had to sit up and take notice of whether you liked it or not.
Priest got major props from appreciative BP enthusiasts but has ever been the case, there were some who chose to go the dark route with complaints that T'Challa was a Gary Stuart under Priest's pen.
Today, Coates is writing a BP book that diminishes all that T'Challa is, and some find this take more to their liking.
The age of the Unfan seems to be in the ascendant but as I've stated previously, the cancellation of the two satellite BP books indicates a chink in the armor of this writer that may lead to a full blown rout.[/QUOTE]
The unfans (and Coates) were banking on WoW and Crew being a success, and continued strong sales of BP that they could attribute to twitter followers. Now they have nothing but that sinking feeling of fail masked by deflection (oh books are supposed to fail) that contradict the alledged strength of twitter followers they championed and the alledged popularity of ayo and aneka to stand on their own.
Thats why they cant answer you. I'd say i feel bad for them, but id be lying lol
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[QUOTE=Rumble;2820177]But will you read Coates BP book, with or without Storm, b/c of how much you like this relatable BP? :)
BP is more popular than Storm, and you know it. Look at BP's sales and look at Storm's sales ;)
America Chavez sold nearly as well (and outsold Misty & Storm) and she is z-list, so Storm may be y, x, w or v-list. Which is worse than d-list.
When the movie comes out, Nakia (Lupita) will be more popular than Storm. Maybe she can be your new favorite character?[/QUOTE]
Storm doesnt need to have great sales to be alist. Same with Cyclops and Magneto.
Besides, comics is a very little medium compared to video games, cartoons and movies.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2822125][B]Coates version is to be ignored because it goes against everything that Tchalla represents and stands for. True fans will recognize the real reason, not this fake bullshit version Coates tried and failed to re-establish as canon[/B][/QUOTE]
The establishment of Tchalla as weak and "safe". Coates = Don't worry he is no symbolic threat to your way of life. lol
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[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;2822282]Storm doesnt need to have great sales to be alist. Same with Cyclops and Magneto.
Besides, comics is a very little medium compared to video games, cartoons and movies.[/QUOTE]
BP has had strong comics sales, a solo cartoon, and a solo movie by Ryan Coogler
Storm had terrible comic sales, no solo cartoon, and no solo movie.
So she is d-list :( and Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine and Kitty are all better leaders :(
And Black Panther is more popular :)
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[QUOTE=Rumble;2822442]BP has had strong comics sales, a solo cartoon, and a solo movie by Ryan Coogler
Storm had terrible comic sales, no solo cartoon, and no solo movie.
So she is d-list :( and Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine and Kitty are all better leaders :(
And Black Panther is more popular :)[/QUOTE]
Coates a definitely an alist writer and the best BP writer.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2822125][B]Coates version is to be ignored because it goes against everything that Tchalla represents and stands for. True fans will recognize the real reason, not this fake bullshit version Coates tried and failed to re-establish as canon[/B][/QUOTE]
It's canon regardless of whether or not certain fans buy it or not, because it's not fans who determine what is canon. It's the actual writers of the book that do that. Just saying.
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[QUOTE=Cville;2822314]The establishment of Tchalla as weak and "safe". Coates = Don't worry he is no symbolic threat to your way of life. lol[/QUOTE]
T'Challa is neither weak nor safe. T'Challa has always been the ultimate chess player, able to be three or four steps of his opponents. It's what we expect. But Coates has given him challenges that are more complex and not so easily resolved. It's interesting to see T'Challa have to actually work for a win, to grapple with problems that are vast and multi-layered, rather than just outfoxing his inferiors. It doesn't make him weak.
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[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;2822486]Coates a definitely an alist writer and the best BP writer.[/QUOTE]
Storm is definitely d-list and couldn't do 36k with Coates. :(
Priest is the best BP writer (movie based off his run and you said movie > comics) just like Cyclops is the best leader. :cool:
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New Black Panther movie synopsis:
[QUOTE]After the events of Captain America: Civil War, King T'Challa returns home to the reclusive, technologically advanced African nation of Wakanda to serve as his country's new leader. However, T'Challa soon finds that he is challenged for the throne from factions within his own country. When two foes conspire to destroy Wakanda, the hero known as Black Panther must team up with C.I.A. agent Everett K. Ross and members of the Dora Milaje, Wakandan special forces, to prevent Wakanda from being dragged into a world war.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=XPac;2822531]It's canon regardless of whether or not certain fans buy it or not, because it's not fans who determine what is canon. It's the actual writers of the book that do that. Just saying.[/QUOTE]
[B]Yep and there is plenty of **** that gets ignored because it is stupid as hell and will be forgotten. IE stupid **** Coate is pulling[/B]
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[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;2822486]Coates a definitely an alist writer and the best BP writer.[/QUOTE]
[B]Dude.....
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2822909][B]Yep and there is plenty of **** that gets ignored because it is stupid as hell and will be forgotten. IE stupid **** Coate is pulling[/B][/QUOTE]
Certainly could happen. A lot of things get ignored from the transition of one BP writer to another. In fact I dare say it happens a bit too often in the BP mythos. We'll see.
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[QUOTE=Prof. Warren;2822697]T'Challa is neither weak nor safe. T'Challa has always been the ultimate chess player, able to be three or four steps of his opponents. It's what we expect. But Coates has given him challenges that are more complex and not so easily resolved. It's interesting to see T'Challa have to actually work for a win, to grapple with problems that are vast and multi-layered, rather than just outfoxing his inferiors. It doesn't make him weak.[/QUOTE]
[B]In literally zero of his solo runs before this has T'challa ever been handed a free win. and the threats he faced were up to his level. The previous writers didn't nerf T'Challa down to their level, the threats were brought up to his. And you Right, T'Challa is the Ultimate chess player, able to be steps ahead at all times. however from the get go Coates said he wasn't going to write that Type of T'Challa (Aka he isn't going to write T'challa in Canon) because Coates is unable to wrap his head around the BP mythos and what it represents. So we have this fake weak ass T'Challa that struggles with Simple issues. the Story in Season 1 was in no way vast and multilayered and complex, it very very simplistic and Writers before Coates would of resolved the story by issue 5, or 6 at most. Coates is not doing any favors for the BP mythos, he is dragging it down and trying to make T'Challa a "Safe" Negro[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2822938][B]In literally zero of his solo runs before this has T'challa ever been handed a free win. and the threats he faced were up to his level. The previous writers didn't nerf T'Challa down to their level, the threats were brought up to his. And you Right, T'Challa is the Ultimate chess player, able to be steps ahead at all times. however from the get go Coates said he wasn't going to write that Type of T'Challa (Aka he isn't going to write T'challa in Canon) because Coates is unable to wrap his head around the BP mythos and what it represents. So we have this fake weak ass T'Challa that struggles with Simple issues. the Story in Season 1 was in no way vast and multilayered and complex, it very very simplistic and Writers before Coates would of resolved the story by issue 5, or 6 at most. Coates is not doing any favors for the BP mythos, he is dragging it down and trying to make T'Challa a "Safe" Negro[/B][/QUOTE]
I think you can make the arguement that the People and Stane's crew are more powerful than any members of T'CHalla's rogues gallery except Klaw. Truthfully a lot of T'Challa's rogues aren't that powerful. In fact a good half probably don't have powers at all. Similar to Batman and Captain America, T'Challa has a pretty wide range as far as threat level goes. He has history dealing with higher end threats, but he's no strange at all to dealing with more street level opponents with no powers at all as well. But I've always thought that's a good thing for the character as it creates a wider range of potential stories they can plug into.
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BP got a lot of Pyrrhic victories during the Priest run. However, it was clear that BP did all he could, and at no point was engaging in PIS. The enemies Priest used were formidable, indeed. The Coates, Mayberry, & Hickman runs all had BP during dumb stuff to allow his foes to stay in the game.
Priest put BOP through the mental, emotional, & physical ringer, but it was all griping storytelling. The Gary Stu label is just a smokescreen by non-fans.
In more important news, I continue to save more money without using Geico with the current creative direction.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2822938][B]In literally zero of his solo runs before this has T'challa ever been handed a free win. and the threats he faced were up to his level. The previous writers didn't nerf T'Challa down to their level, the threats were brought up to his. And you Right, T'Challa is the Ultimate chess player, able to be steps ahead at all times. however from the get go Coates said he wasn't going to write that Type of T'Challa (Aka he isn't going to write T'challa in Canon) because Coates is unable to wrap his head around the BP mythos and what it represents. So we have this fake weak ass T'Challa that struggles with Simple issues. the Story in Season 1 was in no way vast and multilayered and complex, it very very simplistic and Writers before Coates would of resolved the story by issue 5, or 6 at most. Coates is not doing any favors for the BP mythos, he is dragging it down and trying to make T'Challa a "Safe" Negro[/B][/QUOTE]
Priest T'Challa would've kicked Stane's ass because Stane is the most basic of villains. Iron Man's throwaway trash. Not even top 5 formidable or interesting compared to BP's past villains. Only reason he may be top 10 is because of a lack of overall villains
They had to dumb T'Challa down to make it even a thing with Stane.
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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;2822977]BP got a lot of Pyrrhic victories during the Priest run. However, it was clear that BP did all he could, and at no point was engaging in PIS. The enemies Priest used were formidable, indeed. The Coates, Mayberry, & Hickman runs all had BP during dumb stuff to allow his foes to stay in the game.
Priest put BOP through the mental, emotional, & physical ringer, but it was all griping storytelling. The Gary Stu label is just a smokescreen by non-fans.
In more important news, I continue to save more money without using Geico with the current creative direction.[/QUOTE]
That's the thing about Gary Stu's... I don't think for solo books that's ever really done long term at least, because for the vast majority of writers that's boring. You don't want to make things easy for the character. Rather you want the exact opposite. You want to put them through the ringer. It's almost always far more fulfilling storytelling wise.
Morrisons Batman and Priests BP have at times been called Mary Sues and to a degree that's understandable because they're written so uber. But you can equally argue those writers mentally, physically and emotionally wrecked those characters harder or at least as hard as anyone else. So in the end it almost always balances out. They get put on thise ridiculously high pedistols just so they can get knocked just so they can get back up again.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2822958]I think you can make the arguement that the People and Stane's crew are more powerful than any members of T'CHalla's rogues gallery except Klaw. Truthfully a lot of T'Challa's rogues aren't that powerful. In fact a good half probably don't have powers at all. Similar to Batman and Captain America, T'Challa has a pretty wide range as far as threat level goes. He has history dealing with higher end threats, but he's no strange at all to dealing with more street level opponents with no powers at all as well. But I've always thought that's a good thing for the character as it creates a wider range of potential stories they can plug into.[/QUOTE]
[B]Please Kilmonger's rebellion would walk all over the z list crew. Thats the Thign, this are throw away Trash Villains that T'Challa should be smashing into the ground. they are dynamic challenge the hero to their limits villains. They are throwaways, Garbage to be taken out while T'Challa focuses on the REAL threat.[/B]