Dark days ahead. Coates is leaving "The Atlantic". Hopefully not for more time to write comics. Lol
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Dark days ahead. Coates is leaving "The Atlantic". Hopefully not for more time to write comics. Lol
[QUOTE=XPac;3805494]And that's why I would argue it's very reasonable to assume Hunter poisoned him. It's not something which can be proven on panel, so it's little more than just speculation. But he was acting kinda shady.
On the flip side though, if Spider man is the only person outside Tchallas family not poisoned, it's not great proof that it is poisonous since Peter has a degree of resistance to it.
This may just fall on the next guy to clear up, because that whole Spider-Man thing just sort of muddied the water.[/QUOTE]
[B]Well again it doesn't matter because Hudlin has storm take it in his run and she is fine. Most people who take it are fine. It doesn't matter what happened to kilmonger in Priest run because Hudlins changes the properties of the HSH regardless. Just like the Dora's thing Being addressed by Hudlin, but some people choose to ignore it[/B]
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3805530][B]Well again it doesn't matter because Hudlin has storm take it in his run and she is fine. Most people who take it are fine. It doesn't matter what happened to kilmonger in Priest run because Hudlins changes the properties of the HSH regardless. Just like the Dora's thing Being addressed by Hudlin, but some people choose to ignore it[/B][/QUOTE]
Post a scan where we see Storm consuming the herb, because I don't recall that.
And if you can post a scan stating that Hudlin reconing the ages of Nakia and the Okoye, I'm withdraw my complaint there too.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3805487]You also have to remember that the only person who said the herb was poisonous outside the royal line was Killmonger... and unreliable narrator who has had various enhancements done to him via outside means no one knows about.
Kinda like what Samuels said to Blonsky in Incredible Hulk, "I don't know how much you got inside you already"
T'challa, in the same run, didn't say it was poisonous. And let Kasper try to get access to it... in the same run.
It is murky, but throughout the history of the HSH, circumstantial evidence around whether the herb is truly poisonous outside the royal line leans towards it being not poisonous.
It is all speculation. Last time the herb was given to a non royal line, spider-man, he was good. Which would make the mos trecent canon say its not. It is also speculation that Parker would have an immunity to an herb only found in one place in the world. T'challa didn't seem too worried about it.[/QUOTE]
Also, wouldn't Peter's spider-sense have alerted him that he was about to consume something lethal?
[QUOTE=XPac;3805560]Post a scan where we see Storm consuming the herb, because I don't recall that.[/QUOTE]
There's no on-screen evidence of Ororo taking the HSH, but somehow, during the wedding, she was transported to the spirit realm. As the only known way to do that is via the Herb, it seems a valid assumption.
We might also remember Kasper, who somehow took a supposedly "buffered" synthetic version of the HSH, which somehow still looked perfectly natural.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3805631]There's no on-screen evidence of Ororo taking the HSH, but somehow, during the wedding, she was transported to the spirit realm. As the only known way to do that is via the Herb, it seems a valid assumption.
We might also remember Kasper, who somehow took a supposedly "buffered" synthetic version of the HSH, which somehow still looked perfectly natural.[/QUOTE]
One does not need to consume the HSH to transport to the Spirit Realm. Storm traveled there during World's Apart without having consumed the HSH.
1. Ororo never on panel took the herb. However, S'yan said she should become the Black Panther, obviously implying she would have to take the herb. So, either S'yan saw his chance to get rid of storm after harboring a deep seeded hatred for years... or he didn't believe it would be poisonous
2. Ororo went to the spirit realm twice... wedding and worlds apart
3. Priest straight up botched the end of his run lol.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3805631]There's no on-screen evidence of Ororo taking the HSH, but somehow, during the wedding, she was transported to the spirit realm. As the only known way to do that is via the Herb, it seems a valid assumption.
We might also remember Kasper, who somehow took a supposedly "buffered" synthetic version of the HSH, which somehow still looked perfectly natural.[/QUOTE]
Doom met with Bast in Doomwar without taking the herb, so it's not the ONLY way.
But yes, it's a possible assumption. Just like it's possible to assume Kilmonger poisoned Erik, or it's possible to assume Spidermsns resistance to poison may have protected him when Tchalla gave him the herb ... for reasons.
Point being it's muddy. I don't think you can flat out state anything was decisively retconned. You can agree with one I terpretation or another, but that's different that saying Priests book isn't canon. It's canon until something flat out states it's not canon.
And the synthetic version of the herb is a whole other level of weirdness. If Tchallas can lose his power from the real herb without the BP mantle, but someone with the synthetic version keeps it no matter what, then isn't the synthetic version way better? It makes no sense frankly.
Which is why the simplest solution is that Killmonger lied to Kasper. He wanted Cole to believe that the herb he took was synthetic to gain leverage over him.
[COLOR="#000080"]Just for clarification.
Although it's no longer needed, you would ingest the HSH to become Black Panther, not ruler of Wakanda.
If M'Baku defeats T'Challa, he would rule Wakanda but he does not need to eat the HSH because he is not a worshipper of Bast[/COLOR]
Depends on the run, actually. In the Priest era, they were different titles. Hudlin viewed them as linked, and Coates vacillated, depending on the context.
[B]Yes I was mistaking, I thought they showed that storm actively took the Herb. However, as MoS said, it was offered to her when T'Challa was in a coma and I HIGHLY doubt S'yan would of tried to Kill her in that moment. And Even Priests has conflicting results of the Herb. Frankly it's safer to say it's not poisonous.[/B]
In between covering McGregor's Panther's Rage and Kirby's Black Panther Vol. 1, there is a gap that I didn't cover, so I thought I would double back and finish it up with the Black Panther vs. the Klan storyline since people seem to enjoy my thoughts.
As a way of background for this story, McGregory had always intended to do Panther's Quest after his original story. However, he simply ran out of the time needed to properly research the complexities of Apartheid South Africa. So he turned to something he knew a little more about - the American south.
Jungle Action Vol. 2 #19 - [i]Blood and Sacrifices[/i]
[img]https://www.use.com/images/s_2/3d6c9050906f2d6eb452_1.jpg[/img]
Right away, you can tell the plan is to have another epic mutli-part story with its own title: "The Panther vs. The Klan." Interestingly enough, the Klan is spelled correctly on the interior, but incorrectly on the cover. I wonder if that was Marvel's concession to not piss people off. Also, the story opens with hooded figures who are not the Klan. They have circles on their chests, exposed faces, and the lead is even black. Regardless of who they are, though, they're sneaking up to Monica Lynne with knives in their hands. Monica seemingly doesn't notice them because she's mourning at the grave of her sister. T'Challa leaps into action and saves the day. Even Monica joins in, demonstrating she's learned some fighting skills from the King of Wakanda. One of them gets thrown into the car of Kevin Trublood who gets out and joins the fight against these dudes (and nearly breaks his own hand). Trublood is a reporter for the Georgia Sun. He's investigating the murder of Monica's sister. She had discovered some kind of corruption involving the Klan.
Trublood brings everyone downtown and T'Challa drops the attackers (member of the Dragon's Circle) off at the Sheriff. There's a moment where it seems the Sheriff is going to believe the local boys over the outsiders, but we get the sense he believes in doing his job and he holds them in custody. We also see that McGregor, at least, thinks that the T in T'Challa is silent and makes it a point to tell us. That, obviously, did not stick.
The next few pages are spent with Monica's family. There's a sense of tradition here. That the story is exploring old times that are changing as much as anything else. Monica's mother is cooking all day, her father is playing solitare. They are interrupted as both the Dragon's Circle and the Ku Klux Klan both decide to throw molotov cocktails at the Lynne residence - unaware of the other's activities. T'Challa jumps through a window, catches the bottle, and throws it back at them.
The story has some beautiful purple prose. Obviously, McGregor can be unnecessarily flowery and wordy, but I think it enhances the story rather than bogs it down here. It adds to the sense of it being a humid southern summer that adds character to the story. Aside from that, the story consists of two action scenes and a lot of questions. But as far as a starting place, it's a pretty good one.
[video=youtube;VL88ZbCFmWs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL88ZbCFmWs[/video]
[QUOTE=Holt;3806067][video=youtube;VL88ZbCFmWs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL88ZbCFmWs[/video][/QUOTE]
Gave him an energy dagger. Lol