So Anasi, is about to show up interesting.
[url]https://news.marvel.com/comics/65801/black-panther-mastering-past/[/url]
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So Anasi, is about to show up interesting.
[url]https://news.marvel.com/comics/65801/black-panther-mastering-past/[/url]
[QUOTE=C_haos;2840967]I'd argue that Coates Panther just as dangerous and capable. I wouldn't go far as to say that Hudlin BP is based off Kirby BP there a difference.[/QUOTE]
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[B]That's funny. By Hudlin's admission he said he was inspired by Kirby and Priest of course. Just like Priest said he took Lee's version and expanded. Of course they aren't gonna be identical..
Please list off how capable Coates version is. List off what he has done that gives you that idea and compare it to Priest and Hudlin's runs, because in 14 issues Coates Tchalla has done squat compared to the first 14 issue's of Priest and Hudlin. Hell McGregor in 14 issue's had done more then Coates.
But list off what he has done that's so dangerous and capable[/B]
[QUOTE=C_haos;2841000]As if democratic ideals, and systems are defined the west and is if there are more than one style of democracy.
Are you saying that monarchy is a better form of govt?[/QUOTE]
[B]What being Said is that a Monarch is a cooler concept in fantasy The a democracy, especially one that has worked wonderfully for 10k years[/B]
[QUOTE=C_haos;2840967]I'd argue that Coates Panther just as dangerous and capable. I wouldn't go far as to say that Hudlin BP is based off Kirby BP there a difference.[/QUOTE]
Coates Panther is the one I'd believe to break his neck doing a simple roll like in Bendis's AoU
[QUOTE=Smoov-E;2841257]Coates Panther is the one I'd believe to break his neck doing a simple roll like in Bendis's AoU[/QUOTE]
Did Bendis write that or did the artist just draw it like that that's like Daredevil breaking his wrist while using his batons are something
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[B]That's funny. By Hudlin's admission he said he was inspired by Kirby and Priest of course. Just like Priest said he took Lee's version and expanded. Of course they aren't gonna be identical..
Please list off how capable Coates version is. List off what he has done that gives you that idea and compare it to Priest and Hudlin's runs, because in 14 issues Coates Tchalla has done squat compared to the first 14 issue's of Priest and Hudlin. Hell McGregor in 14 issue's had done more then Coates.
But list off what he has done that's so dangerous and capable[/B][/QUOTE]
And I didn't say they were similar but it can be argued it's a different character which is fine based off the authors interpretation. Kirby Panther more Adventures, Hudlin Panther more Avenger. That being said Hudlin Panther is probably the template by which writers base Modern BP off of
Done squat I don't know about that not going to compare it to prior runs but off the top of my end
Single handily defeated a rebel encampment featuring dozens of soldiers... Severely crippled a rebel network.... Brought down the backers financing said rebel network.... Rescued his sister.... Repurposed a rebel into a double agent... Diplomatically repurposed a critic into the fold... Activated KotD to the ninth degree to summon an army of past BPs.... Defeated a shaman rebel leader... Formed a new govt.... Defeated a battalion of snake men.... Made prior BPs put some respect on his name when question of authority arose.... Hunted down a Wakandan sorcerer through a new plane of existence.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2841249][B]What being Said is that a Monarch is a cooler concept in fantasy The a democracy, especially one that has worked wonderfully for 10k years[/B][/QUOTE]
Except when it hasn't, like if you constantly dealing with coups and rebellions
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2841249][B]What being Said is that a Monarch is a cooler concept in fantasy The a democracy, especially one that has worked wonderfully for 10k years[/B][/QUOTE]
The thing that makes most monarchies in fiction cool, Wakanda included, is they don't work wonderfully. Because things that work wonderfuly usually suck as settings for a story. That's why we constantly get coups and revolts.
[QUOTE=ed2962;2841114]Stan admitted decades ago that during the 60's he would write things and literally forget what he wrote a month later. For instance, the Hulk's real name is Robert Bruce Banner because first Stan wrote Bruce Banner, then he started calling him "Bob" Banner. Kids were like, what? Stan was like "Er, Um..."[/QUOTE]
Yep. He also called Peter Parker "Peter Palmer" once. Obviously, his master plan of alliteration to help him remember names was only partially successful.
[QUOTE=C_haos;2841440]Did Bendis write that or did the artist just draw it like that that's like Daredevil breaking his wrist while using his batons are something
Done squat I don't know about that not going to compare it to prior runs but off the top of my end
[/QUOTE]
So now where arguing whether an artist misinterpreted what Bendis wrote as regards tripping and breaking his neck.
If you're not going to compare Coates run to any of the others that preceded his where the titular wasn't chumped out, then what the frak are you debating then?
Cat's are using what Priest, Hudlin, McDuffies and Liss produced to show just how wack Coates run is and all you have in response is reimagined (in your head) examples of Coatesverse T'Challa fumbling his way to multiple phyrric "victories" that are actually full blown failures.
We truly are living in the age of false narrative and alternative facts.
Kelly Anne Conway ain't got nothing on some of y'all. :smh:
[QUOTE=C_haos;2841010]Yeah especially when the director and actors mention both interesting indeed[/QUOTE]
with the descriptions closely matching one over the other. Very interesting, indeed. lol
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2841695][B]So now where arguing whether an artist misinterpreted what Bendis wrote as regards tripping and breaking his neck.[/B]
If you're not going to compare Coates run to any of the others that preceded his where the titular wasn't chumped out, then what the frak are you debating then?
Cat's are using what Priest, Hudlin, McDuffies and Liss produced to show just how wack Coates run is and all you have in response is reimagined (in your head) examples of Coatesverse T'Challa fumbling his way to multiple phyrric "victories" that are actually full blown failures.
We truly are living in the age of false narrative and alternative facts.
Kelly Anne Conway ain't got nothing on some of y'all. :smh:[/QUOTE]
ahahahahahah. That's just what it's come down to eh?
[QUOTE=Smoov-E;2840922]Pure speculation on my end but maybe it's time to hire folks who will do their job and not let the writer do whatever because they're a "name" writer?[/QUOTE]
They did a half-ass job, almost like they told him halfway:
"yea. nah, we were actually fucking with you. You actually can't have BP negligent to address habitual misogynist rape culture because that's fucking stupid and detrimental to our cash flow if that stigma attaches to him, so clean that up in that shitty mini series we gave you. Oh and you actually can't strip him of the title of King, because synergy with the movies... so whatever the change of government your blabbering about is, just make it where he's still acknowledged as King so we can still use King T'Challa in future marketing. Oh and we're giving you a shitty artist for most of season 2. Good luck."
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Done squat I don't know about that not going to compare it to prior runs but off the top of my end
Single handily defeated a rebel encampment featuring dozens of soldiers... Severely crippled a rebel network.... Brought down the backers financing said rebel network.... Rescued his sister.... Repurposed a rebel into a double agent... Diplomatically repurposed a critic into the fold... Activated KotD to the ninth degree to summon an army of past BPs.... Defeated a shaman rebel leader... Formed a new govt.... Defeated a battalion of snake men.... Made prior BPs put some respect on his name when question of authority arose.... Hunted down a Wakandan sorcerer through a new plane of existence. [/Quote]
[B]The reason you don't want to compare them is because the Difference in night and day. Priest had Tchalla outsmart and one hit KO Mephisto and rip his heart out within the first few issues and beat the hell out of kraven and squash a rebellion. Hudlin had Tchalla drop Klaw,
Black Knight and the Rhino. As well as chump the X-Men early on, and beat the hell out of a a ton of hand ninjas.
Coates Tchalla was struggling with goons and zlisters. Not the same level at all, and his level of planning was shitty to. Coates had his Tchalla out smarted by no named despots... So I guess I understand why you don't want to compare. [/B]
[Quote]Except when it hasn't, like if you constantly dealing with coups and rebellions[/QUOTE]
[B]And how many times had ny been destroyed or us taken over, or the government Been infiltrated? Hell the event right now has Hydra in control of the US. The democracy in fantasy is no better. In Wakanda the monarch and ruling of the Black Panthers have allowed them to become the most feared and most advanced nation on Earth.
Again Monarchs are Cool in fantasy because it's fantasy.[/B]
[QUOTE=C_haos;2841440]Did Bendis write that or did the artist just draw it like that that's like Daredevil breaking his wrist while using his batons are something
And I didn't say they were similar but it can be argued it's a different character which is fine based off the authors interpretation. Kirby Panther more Adventures, Hudlin Panther more Avenger. That being said Hudlin Panther is probably the template by which writers base Modern BP off of
Done squat I don't know about that not going to compare it to prior runs but off the top of my end
Single handily defeated a rebel encampment featuring dozens of soldiers... Severely crippled a rebel network.... Brought down the backers financing said rebel network.... Rescued his sister.... Repurposed a rebel into a double agent... Diplomatically repurposed a critic into the fold... Activated KotD to the ninth degree to summon an army of past BPs.... Defeated a shaman rebel leader... Formed a new govt.... Defeated a battalion of snake men.... Made prior BPs put some respect on his name when question of authority arose.... Hunted down a Wakandan sorcerer through a new plane of existence.
Except when it hasn't, like if you constantly dealing with coups and rebellions[/QUOTE]
Excellent post.
Brought a smile to my face.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2841695]So now where arguing whether an artist misinterpreted what Bendis wrote as regards tripping and breaking his neck.
If you're not going to compare Coates run to any of the others that preceded his where the titular wasn't chumped out, then what the frak are you debating then?
Cat's are using what Priest, Hudlin, McDuffies and Liss produced to show just how wack Coates run is and all you have in response is reimagined (in your head) examples of Coatesverse T'Challa fumbling his way to multiple phyrric "victories" that are actually full blown failures.
We truly are living in the age of false narrative and alternative facts.
Kelly Anne Conway ain't got nothing on some of y'all. :smh:[/QUOTE]
That Bendis, thing was a joke.
I'm not going to compare feats in each run because A). This run isn't over yet B). That's not my thing to nitpick between runs if it fits the narrative mythos cool if not cool too hopefully someone comes along and adds something cool to it C). So those things didn't happen? Don't think it's reimagined maybe you need to read because all those things happened. I'm not sure if you're aware but a pyrrhic victory can't be a full blown failure. But I wouldn't even call season 1 a pyrrhic victory because at the end he's in a better place with his country and family even got his girl back.
Arguably, Coates BP while going through struggles hasn't gone through any of the struggles Priest or Hickman put him through and hasn't had anything long lasting as what Hudlin or Maberry ended him on
[QUOTE=C_haos;2841838]That Bendis, thing was a joke.
I'm not going to compare feats in each run because A). This run isn't over yet B). That's not my thing to nitpick between runs if it fits the narrative mythos cool if not cool too hopefully someone comes along and adds something cool to it C). So those things didn't happen? Don't think it's reimagined maybe you need to read because all those things happened. I'm not sure if you're aware but a pyrrhic victory can't be a full blown failure. But I wouldn't even call season 1 a pyrrhic victory because at the end he's in a better place with his country and family even got his girl back.
Arguably, Coates BP while going through struggles hasn't gone through any of the struggles Priest or Hickman put him through and hasn't had anything long lasting as what Hudlin or Maberry ended him on[/QUOTE]
Coates is defnately getting T'Challa in a very very different place than Priest or Hudlin. In those instances T'CHalla started off strong but ended in a really bad place. One was removed from power with an incurable brain aneryism, while the other was removed from power and only just recovering from a coma. Coates on the flip side is inhereting the character in a bad place... which doesn't gurantee that he'll finish strong but at least he's moving in the right direction. We'll see.