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[QUOTE=XPac;3196833]Yeah, I agree that him being in a core Avengers team is the next logical big step. Problem being right now there is no core Avengers team .... but I think the point of Legacy is essentially to get the band back together. They'be been building towards that for awhile but I think are waiting till around the time od the Avengers movie for synergy purposes. The big question is whether or not T'Challa will be in the group. Again, I think so for synergy purposrs, but we'll see.[/QUOTE]
[B]He need's to be a a A list team straight up[/B]
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[B] Brother Maj, what are your thoughts on Evan Narcisse and what do you think this creative team so far? I feel like he had the makings to be the next Hudlin if his run is well received and promoted correctly.
[url=https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-prequel-comic-fight-captain-america/]https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-prequel-comic-fight-captain-america/[/url] [/B]
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The Namor/T'Challa conflict was one of, if not the, narratives driving Hickman's run. And he just skips to the ending. I smell fuckery with unchanged sheets.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3197087]I'd watch too ... but honestly I think T'Challa is better off in a core Avengers team with Cap, Iron Man and Thor.
A variation of the 1 mill team would obviously be more powerful, but they'd just be a satellite book to the real Avengers team. For him to be elevated he needs to be rubbing soldiers with the A listers.[/QUOTE]
[B]The 1 Mil bc Avengers can be a A list because it could bring Thor and his fan's Jean's fans, Strange fan's BP Fans and Iron fist fan's. Those one's there have decent sized fans bases. Get a good writer and stellar artist and we have something great. Hell I'd Love to see priest writing it to be honest.
Problem with him being with Cap and Tony are that they will take roles from him. Unless he is portrayed like John's version that was inspired by Priests version, it becomes an Issue. T'Challa would have to be the lone Wolf type, disappears randomly with the big picture goal on mind. Like EMH Showed[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3197132][B]The 1 Mil bc Avengers can be a A list because it could bring Thor and his fan's Jean's fans, Strange fan's BP Fans and Iron fist fan's. Those one's there have decent sized fans bases. Get a good writer and stellar artist and we have something great. Hell I'd Love to see priest writing it to be honest.
Problem with him being with Cap and Tony are that they will take roles from him. Unless he is portrayed like John's version that was inspired by Priests version, it becomes an Issue. T'Challa would have to be the lone Wolf type, disappears randomly with the big picture goal on mind. Like EMH Showed[/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not saying it can't necessarily be a good or successful book ... it just likely won't be an A list book. You can't put together a group of B listers and expect an A list team out of it. The A list team will be the inavitable one with Cap, Iron Man and Thor. Every other Avengers team, regardless of power level, will be secondary on the grand scheme of things. Marvel events,basically revolve around Steve and Tony. They're narratively the heart if the MU.
But yes, being with a listers is a bit of a double edged sword. They can potentially command the spotlight. It's up to the writers to ensure characters Luke Carol and T'Challa don't get lost in the shuffle.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3197149]I'm not saying it can't necessarily be a good or successful book ... it just likely won't be an A list book. You can't put together a group of B listers and expect an A list team out of it. The A list team will be the inavitable one with Cap, Iron Man and Thor. Every other Avengers team, regardless of power level, will be secondary on the grand scheme of things. Marvel events,basically revolve around Steve and Tony. They're narratively the heart if the MU.
But yes, being with a listers is a bit of a double edged sword. They can potentially command the spotlight. It's up to the writers to ensure characters Luke Carol and T'Challa don't get lost in the shuffle.[/QUOTE]
[B] Hickmans New Avengers showed that not to be the case considering the ones in the spotlight we're primarily Reed T'Challa and Namor and kinda Tony. Then towards the end Reed and T'Challa. It depends on the story bring told[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3197340][B] Hickmans New Avengers showed that not to be the case considering the ones in the spotlight we're primarily Reed T'Challa and Namor and kinda Tony. Then towards the end Reed and T'Challa. It depends on the story bring told[/B][/QUOTE]
It did actually have Iron Man and even Cap in the first arc.
But yeah ...if you can get at least one A lister in there, and have the book intertwine with the core Avengers book like Bendis and Hickman did then it can be more than a satellite book.
By spreading out the a listers a little and having 2 books essentially telling 2 sides of the same story, it is possible to have 2 core books instead of one.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3197379]It did actually have Iron Man and even Cap in the first arc.
But yeah ...if you can get at least one A lister in there, and have the book intertwine with the core Avengers book like Bendis and Hickman did then it can be more than a satellite book.
By spreading out the a listers a little and having 2 books essentially telling 2 sides of the same story, it is possible to have 2 core books instead of one.[/QUOTE]
[B]It had cap for 1 Issue and Tony was in it but the driving narrative was Reed Tchalla and Namor[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3197382][B]It had cap for 1 Issue and Tony was in it but the driving narrative was Reed Tchalla and Namor[/B][/QUOTE]
And often that's all you need. An A luster doesn't have to narrative be the star of the book in order to help post it ... they just need to be there.
When Bendis put Spider-Man Man and Wolverine on his Avengers book, they were hardly the driving force behind it. Hickman barely touched them. But just being there Gabe the books a boost (though that's not always enough).
So yeah ... if they can take a page out of Bendis and Hickman and get at least one Avenger A lister on there, and if they can make it clear that this book is apart of the main story along with the main Avengers book, you can potentially have another core title. You just need to stack the deck enough in the books favor.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3197112][B] Brother Maj, what are your thoughts on Evan Narcisse and what do you think this creative team so far? I feel like he had the makings to be the next Hudlin if his run is well received and promoted correctly.
[url=https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-prequel-comic-fight-captain-america/]https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-prequel-comic-fight-captain-america/[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
Brother Ezyo1000, to be honest I'm kind of burnt out and really not sure what to think.
I'm in wait and see mode. Lol!
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3197075][B]Well the cartoon wouldn't be able to use Phoenix because it's fox, but a version of it would be boss.. Honestly I think the 1,000000 BC Avengers team in modern day like JA teased Should come to pass, it's a super strong team and everyone there would fill a role, with T'Challa being able to lead it or be the genius /tech
of the group (which show's why he would be there too considering all the other's are hard hitters so he brings the super tech.[/B][/QUOTE]
The Richest guy who is either their best or 2nd best fighter that brings the majority of the tech.
So essentially Batman ^_^
T'Challa definitely has the potential to be pushed with a similar kind of importance of a Batman/Tony Stark with some James Bond thrown in and his own style. Allowing him to branch out into these other areas and teams as well opens up the possibility for him to meet someone else outside of Wakanda that he could be romantically involved with (Again, I brought up Gamora) and in a scenario like the one you're talking about, it's very plausible that they'd have some run ins with the GOTG considering some of the threats they'd be facing, and that opens up even more opportunities there.
Like I said, if MARVEL find a way to give T'Challa a romantic interest that is primarily based in Wakanda, then Wakanda is where he is always going to remain and whatever 'love' he has will be relegated to the background in Wakanda and he'll never escape his 'bubble' because that's where MARVEL wants to keep him.
But if he joins a team like you're saying, particularly as their leader, which means he crosses over into other reals, other stories, other comics, outside of Wakanda, then that opens up possibilities for other things outside of it as well for him, which in turn helps grow the character's popularity across more comics even more, which is what they should be trying to do.
So for me it's very simple, either eventually have him and Storm re-marry and keep them committed to one another and he will cross over into other comics because of that and his involvement in more things besides Wakanda... OR allow Black Panther to be on or lead a team of powerful characters OUTSIDE of Wakanda which opens up other opportunities for him in all other aspects of his character and allows him some more growth time.
The one thing they shouldn't do.. which they seem intent on trying to do.. is keeping him in the bubble that is his solo comic and never really wanting to or trying to invest in him, or seriously consistently advertise him .. anywhere else.
Considering all the potential T'Challa has as a leading guy, or a leader, and all the resources, tech and personality he has and potential to have.. MARVEL is essentially sitting on a gold mine and keeping it to one book cause they REALLY don't want to invest in him with that kind of importance. That's the most infuriating thing.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3197112][B] Brother Maj, what are your thoughts on Evan Narcisse and what do you think this creative team so far? I feel like he had the makings to be the next Hudlin if his run is well received and promoted correctly.
[url=https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-prequel-comic-fight-captain-america/]https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-prequel-comic-fight-captain-america/[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm in wait and see mode on this. It's an interesting way to introduce Black Panther.
I'm just wondering if it's eventually going to lead to Cap going back to New York, telling his buddies the fantastic four about Wakanda, and they wind up going and Sue Storm and T'Challa wind up in the lake together :P
Although Sue Storm's characteristic for a while there was "Sure he ignores me.. mistreats me.. makes me feel insecure and like I don't factor into his life at all. But hey I gotta put up with it cause I'm the wife." when it would have made much more sense for her to just leave him till he got his priorities straight, but she 'couldn't.'
Then again I don't think the world would have been able to handle a T'Challa / Sue Storm relationship. That would have made the non existing internet back then explode.
[img]https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelanimated/images/c/cf/Sue_Comforts_T%27Challa.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140131083115[/img]
And I could also use the term 'explode' to describe Sue Storm's reaction watching T'Challa manhandle all the other members of the Fantastic Four the moment they arrived.. but I'm going to take the high road.
[img]https://uncannyxmen.net/sites/default/files/images/covers/ff/mkfour21.jpg[/img]
BUT back onto the subject of the story at hand. I find it very interesting. It reminds me of a Gil Scott-Heron poem actually Black His-story. When it comes to their want of Vibranium.
"So this is why the colonies came
to stabilize the land.
The Dark Continent had copper and gold
and the discoverers had themselves a plan.
They would "discover" all the places with promise.
You didn't need no titles or deeds.
You could just appoint people to make everything legal,
to sanction the trickery and greed.
And back in the jungle if the natives got restless,
well, you called that "guerilla attack!"
And you never describe that some folks might have got wise
and decided they were going to fight back.
But still we are victims of word games;
semantics is always a b[expletive]ch.
Places once called "under-developed" and "backwards"
they now call them "mineral rich."
And still it seems like the game goes on
with unity always just out of reach
Because Libya and Egypt used to be in Africa,
but they've been moved...to the Middle East."
^_^
So their want for Vibranium reminds me a lot of that, and I can see why T'Challa is defending it. It depends on how they portray him and how they have him and Cap come around to the same conclusion.
What I don't want to see is the oh so classic "D-bag" T'Challa... you know... the guy who is always too serious and a jerk to everyone.... I do NOT want to see that version of T'Challa. He has his own kind of charisma, he's not a stoic quiet ninja that acts like a d-bag outside of the Black Panther attire.
This is the T'Challa I like
[img]https://i.imgur.com/Npu4fg4.jpg[/img]
What that means is that he isn't a stoic a-hole all the darn time as if it's his base personality. There's a lot to T'Challa, a lot that a lot of people that write him get wrong or inconsistent.
It's a philosophy when it comes to how writers like to treat characters like T'Challa, especially when they don't want them breaking out into other mediums or don't feel like paying the character the proper respect. It's called "Doormat or d-bag(without the censorship)" And it seems thats how writers that have no clue what to do try to perceive him. More than I'd like to be honest.
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They added a second sketch. Cap has the triangular shield, so it must be WWII.
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[QUOTE=Majesty;3197658]The Richest guy who is either their best or 2nd best fighter that brings the majority of the tech.
So essentially Batman ^_^
T'Challa definitely has the potential to be pushed with a similar kind of importance of a Batman/Tony Stark with some James Bond thrown in and his own style. Allowing him to branch out into these other areas and teams as well opens up the possibility for him to meet someone else outside of Wakanda that he could be romantically involved with (Again, I brought up Gamora) and in a scenario like the one you're talking about, it's very plausible that they'd have some run ins with the GOTG considering some of the threats they'd be facing, and that opens up even more opportunities there.
Like I said, if MARVEL find a way to give T'Challa a romantic interest that is primarily based in Wakanda, then Wakanda is where he is always going to remain and whatever 'love' he has will be relegated to the background in Wakanda and he'll never escape his 'bubble' because that's where MARVEL wants to keep him.
But if he joins a team like you're saying, particularly as their leader, which means he crosses over into other reals, other stories, other comics, outside of Wakanda, then that opens up possibilities for other things outside of it as well for him, which in turn helps grow the character's popularity across more comics even more, which is what they should be trying to do.
So for me it's very simple, either eventually have him and Storm re-marry and keep them committed to one another and he will cross over into other comics because of that and his involvement in more things besides Wakanda... OR allow Black Panther to be on or lead a team of powerful characters OUTSIDE of Wakanda which opens up other opportunities for him in all other aspects of his character and allows him some more growth time.
The one thing they shouldn't do.. which they seem intent on trying to do.. is keeping him in the bubble that is his solo comic and never really wanting to or trying to invest in him, or seriously consistently advertise him .. anywhere else.
Considering all the potential T'Challa has as a leading guy, or a leader, and all the resources, tech and personality he has and potential to have.. MARVEL is essentially sitting on a gold mine and keeping it to one book cause they REALLY don't want to invest in him with that kind of importance. That's the most infuriating thing.
I'm in wait and see mode on this. It's an interesting way to introduce Black Panther.
I'm just wondering if it's eventually going to lead to Cap going back to New York, telling his buddies the fantastic four about Wakanda, and they wind up going and Sue Storm and T'Challa wind up in the lake together :P
Although Sue Storm's characteristic for a while there was "Sure he ignores me.. mistreats me.. makes me feel insecure and like I don't factor into his life at all. But hey I gotta put up with it cause I'm the wife." when it would have made much more sense for her to just leave him till he got his priorities straight, but she 'couldn't.'
Then again I don't think the world would have been able to handle a T'Challa / Sue Storm relationship. That would have made the non existing internet back then explode.
[img]https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelanimated/images/c/cf/Sue_Comforts_T%27Challa.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140131083115[/img]
And I could also use the term 'explode' to describe Sue Storm's reaction watching T'Challa manhandle all the other members of the Fantastic Four the moment they arrived.. but I'm going to take the high road.
[img]https://uncannyxmen.net/sites/default/files/images/covers/ff/mkfour21.jpg[/img]
BUT back onto the subject of the story at hand. I find it very interesting. It reminds me of a Gil Scott-Heron poem actually Black His-story. When it comes to their want of Vibranium.
"So this is why the colonies came
to stabilize the land.
The Dark Continent had copper and gold
and the discoverers had themselves a plan.
They would "discover" all the places with promise.
You didn't need no titles or deeds.
You could just appoint people to make everything legal,
to sanction the trickery and greed.
And back in the jungle if the natives got restless,
well, you called that "guerilla attack!"
And you never describe that some folks might have got wise
and decided they were going to fight back.
But still we are victims of word games;
semantics is always a b[expletive]ch.
Places once called "under-developed" and "backwards"
they now call them "mineral rich."
And still it seems like the game goes on
with unity always just out of reach
Because Libya and Egypt used to be in Africa,
but they've been moved...to the Middle East."
^_^
So their want for Vibranium reminds me a lot of that, and I can see why T'Challa is defending it. It depends on how they portray him and how they have him and Cap come around to the same conclusion.
What I don't want to see is the oh so classic "D-bag" T'Challa... you know... the guy who is always too serious and a jerk to everyone.... I do NOT want to see that version of T'Challa. He has his own kind of charisma, he's not a stoic quiet ninja that acts like a d-bag outside of the Black Panther attire.
This is the T'Challa I like
[img]https://i.imgur.com/Npu4fg4.jpg[/img]
What that means is that he isn't a stoic a-hole all the darn time as if it's his base personality. There's a lot to T'Challa, a lot that a lot of people that write him get wrong or inconsistent.
It's a philosophy when it comes to how writers like to treat characters like T'Challa, especially when they don't want them breaking out into other mediums or don't feel like paying the character the proper respect. It's called "Doormat or d-bag(without the censorship)" And it seems thats how writers that have no clue what to do try to perceive him. More than I'd like to be honest.[/QUOTE]
Though I'm a fan of Storm and T'Challa, I wouldn't be against him dating a super hero in some other book if him and Storm don't work out. It obviously gives him another book he can regularly appear in, which is nice. Not sure I'm a fan of Gamora though. Firstly because I think she and Starlord are a thing in the movies. But that aside as an old school Starlin fan, part of he still shops her and Adam Warlock.
But there are a lot of potentially viable female super heroes out there IF Storm and T'Challa don't work out (and again, I'm still rooting for them). Captain Marvel might be the closest to Storm as far as creating a power couple. Misty and T'Challa are already friends kinda, so they work. Electra might be fun, because adding ninjas to anything makes it cooler.
But not Sue. NOt that I don't think seeing Reeds reaction to that wouldn't be all sorts of fun, but that's the ONE relationship in marvel that I think actually stands a chance of lasting the test of time. It is funny how Sue seems to have a things for Kings though. Namor obviously, and even Doom in some alternate realities. If I were Medusa I'd keep an eye on Black Bolt.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3197684]They added a second sketch. Cap has the triangular shield, so it must be WWII.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, looks like another version of Caps first encounter with T'Challas grandad. I wonder if it'll be another retcon. Either way, it's alway s fun seeing other BP's.
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[QUOTE=Majesty;3197658]The Richest guy who is either their best or 2nd best fighter that brings the majority of the tech.
So essentially Batman ^_^
T'Challa definitely has the potential to be pushed with a similar kind of importance of a Batman/Tony Stark with some James Bond thrown in and his own style. Allowing him to branch out into these other areas and teams as well opens up the possibility for him to meet someone else outside of Wakanda that he could be romantically involved with (Again, I brought up Gamora) and in a scenario like the one you're talking about, it's very plausible that they'd have some run ins with the GOTG considering some of the threats they'd be facing, and that opens up even more opportunities there.
Like I said, if MARVEL find a way to give T'Challa a romantic interest that is primarily based in Wakanda, then Wakanda is where he is always going to remain and whatever 'love' he has will be relegated to the background in Wakanda and he'll never escape his 'bubble' because that's where MARVEL wants to keep him.
But if he joins a team like you're saying, particularly as their leader, which means he crosses over into other reals, other stories, other comics, outside of Wakanda, then that opens up possibilities for other things outside of it as well for him, which in turn helps grow the character's popularity across more comics even more, which is what they should be trying to do.
So for me it's very simple, either eventually have him and Storm re-marry and keep them committed to one another and he will cross over into other comics because of that and his involvement in more things besides Wakanda... OR allow Black Panther to be on or lead a team of powerful characters OUTSIDE of Wakanda which opens up other opportunities for him in all other aspects of his character and allows him some more growth time.
The one thing they shouldn't do.. which they seem intent on trying to do.. is keeping him in the bubble that is his solo comic and never really wanting to or trying to invest in him, or seriously consistently advertise him .. anywhere else.
Considering all the potential T'Challa has as a leading guy, or a leader, and all the resources, tech and personality he has and potential to have.. MARVEL is essentially sitting on a gold mine and keeping it to one book cause they REALLY don't want to invest in him with that kind of importance. That's the most infuriating thing.
I'm in wait and see mode on this. It's an interesting way to introduce Black Panther.
I'm just wondering if it's eventually going to lead to Cap going back to New York, telling his buddies the fantastic four about Wakanda, and they wind up going and Sue Storm and T'Challa wind up in the lake together :P
Although Sue Storm's characteristic for a while there was "Sure he ignores me.. mistreats me.. makes me feel insecure and like I don't factor into his life at all. But hey I gotta put up with it cause I'm the wife." when it would have made much more sense for her to just leave him till he got his priorities straight, but she 'couldn't.'
Then again I don't think the world would have been able to handle a T'Challa / Sue Storm relationship. That would have made the non existing internet back then explode.
And I could also use the term 'explode' to describe Sue Storm's reaction watching T'Challa manhandle all the other members of the Fantastic Four the moment they arrived.. but I'm going to take the high road.
BUT back onto the subject of the story at hand. I find it very interesting. It reminds me of a Gil Scott-Heron poem actually Black His-story. When it comes to their want of Vibranium.
"So this is why the colonies came
to stabilize the land.
The Dark Continent had copper and gold
and the discoverers had themselves a plan.
They would "discover" all the places with promise.
You didn't need no titles or deeds.
You could just appoint people to make everything legal,
to sanction the trickery and greed.
And back in the jungle if the natives got restless,
well, you called that "guerilla attack!"
And you never describe that some folks might have got wise
and decided they were going to fight back.
But still we are victims of word games;
semantics is always a b[expletive]ch.
Places once called "under-developed" and "backwards"
they now call them "mineral rich."
And still it seems like the game goes on
with unity always just out of reach
Because Libya and Egypt used to be in Africa,
but they've been moved...to the Middle East."
^_^
So their want for Vibranium reminds me a lot of that, and I can see why T'Challa is defending it. It depends on how they portray him and how they have him and Cap come around to the same conclusion.
What I don't want to see is the oh so classic "D-bag" T'Challa... you know... the guy who is always too serious and a jerk to everyone.... I do NOT want to see that version of T'Challa. He has his own kind of charisma, he's not a stoic quiet ninja that acts like a d-bag outside of the Black Panther attire.
This is the T'Challa I like
What that means is that he isn't a stoic a-hole all the darn time as if it's his base personality. There's a lot to T'Challa, a lot that a lot of people that write him get wrong or inconsistent.
It's a philosophy when it comes to how writers like to treat characters like T'Challa, especially when they don't want them breaking out into other mediums or don't feel like paying the character the proper respect. It's called "Doormat or d-bag(without the censorship)" And it seems thats how writers that have no clue what to do try to perceive him. More than I'd like to be honest.[/QUOTE]
[B]I think Tchalla should be a healthy mix of Priests and Hudlin's versions. He is charismatic like Hudlins version, but has a air of mysteriousness about him like Priest, where people, despite him being so friendly with them, feel like he is keeping them at a distance, like he knows something they don't.
Tchalla should be confident, borderline arrogant, but have reason for it. I think that is how Tchalla should be. It gives him plenty of people to bounce off of. As for LI, I mean there are some candidate's out there but personally o think getting home a an Avengers team as a leader or behind the scenes lead is more important. Hell marvel animation is going to do a BP centric season, Yet the comics continue to drag their feet. It's a wasted opportunity and it's stupid that the comics are treating Tchalla like they are, especially when he is blowing up now
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