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[QUOTE=Cville;3480768]I think there is an opportunity Marvel should take with the success of the movie. A BP comic that takes place between the prequel comic and the movie. You can showcase genius, strategy, and whatever else people feel is missing. Shuri would have been six at that time. Show Tchalla as one of her teachers when he is not on mission.[/QUOTE]
What would be the point? To show more of a young inexperienced T'Challa. Where all the stories are comprised of being blindsided and unprepared. How can you showcase strategy and genius in a prequel, when the movie makes it clear he has none?
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[QUOTE=Pulp Fiction;3480798]What would be the point? To show more of a young inexperienced T'Challa. Where all the stories are comprised of being blindsided and unprepared. How can you showcase strategy and genius in a prequel, when the movie makes it clear he has none?[/QUOTE]
Then you might want to go see it again and take a five hour energy. Apparently you fell asleep during the trailers and didn't wake until the second after credit scene.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3480714]If Coogler falls under the Koatesmonger spell and allows any of that rubbish to impact on his plans for BP 2 he'll only have himself to blame when that movie fails at the box office.
Ain't none of the viewers watching T'Challa now looking to see milquetoast BP in the future. Lol![/QUOTE]
no wakandan sex slavery camps! No! Nooo!!! No drug trade!! No gangs!
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3480774]I don't recall any indication under Priest that Hunter would have been king if not for T'Challa. Like Loki in Thor, it would be implicitly understood that his heritage would disqualify him from the throne. The same way, in the 30 years ahead story, T'Challa was forced to distance himself from his daughter by Malice.
Hunter's issue was that he wanted to serve Wakanda under T'Challa like he had under T'Chaka, and T'Challa wouldn't allow that[/QUOTE]
That's what makes Hunter a pretty interesting antagonist (and what separtes him to a degree from rogues like Killmonger and M'Baku). Hunter doesn't necessarily want to actually rule himself. He simply wishes to serve Wakanda in the manner he believes, right or wrong, is best for Wakanda. For Hunter, it's not about him... it's about what he genuinely believes is best for Wakanda. BUt it just so happened he ended up with a super hero for a king, and his way wasn't going to fly anymore.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3480679]Reginald Hudlin created a character who would appeal to his young daughter in the comics.
Said character is now appealing to women and men in the BP movie because Reginald Hudlin actually wrote a Black Panther that he felt others would be enthused by as opposed to writing T'Challa to be some kids Spidey.
Hudlin had vision.[/QUOTE]
And also wasn't worried about placating a white fan base or their sensibilities..Call me when Steve or Tony or etc random ass black or brown sibling shows up to appeal to us black/brown fans.. Then ill except trash like Hunter..
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3480731][B]Who said anything about rewards? Yes Tchalla was created by Lee and Kirby but he wasn't fleshed out until McGregor, and then after that it wasn't until Priest updated him to the 21st century and made him a true badass, followed by Hudlin Making Wakanda further badass and making Tchalla mainstream. So Yeah they "Made" him into who he is. Batman had the same thing happen to him, same with DD, supes etc. All Characters have a definitive run/runs that Make them who they are today.
And yeah Hudlin had vision. He made BP mainstream and got more people to take him seriously. Priest had vision to establish a strong foundation of how awesome T'Challa Really is. They don't have to be exact copies of the OG debut for writer's to get credit on their Characters. Funny because again All we have been saying about Hudlin is that he deserves more respect then he had been given lately and he definitely deserves more then Coates IS getting currently [/B][/QUOTE]
Bro, you're definitely on a roll. :cool:
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[QUOTE=Cville;3480810]Then you might want to go see it again and take a five hour energy. Apparently you fell asleep during the trailers and didn't wake until the second after credit scene.[/QUOTE]
Cold bloooooooded!!!! :)
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[QUOTE=4sake Baned;3480936]And also wasn't worried about placating a white fan base or their sensibilities..Call me when Steve or Tony or etc random ass black or brown sibling shows up to appeal to us black/brown fans.. Then ill except trash like Hunter..[/QUOTE]
Real talk my bro.
Some people fail to realise how insulting some of Priest's misteps were during his otherwise stellar BP run.
Hunter was nothing more than a straight up rip off of the Tarzan riff that really had no place in the BP mythos.
Priest's insecurities and anticipation of cancellation had him throwing stuff at the walls in the hope that something would stick.
He basically short-changed himself and virtually ran out of steam towards the end of his run.
And to make it worse, none of those strategies stopped the hate and disdain he recieved from readers who felt that he was writing T'Challa above his station.
Hudlin didn't give a damn about the haters and that's why he was able to deliver a BP who was about his business and secure with it.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3481080]Real talk my bro.
Some people fail to realise how insulting some of Priest's misters were during his otherwise stellar BP run.
Hunter was nothing more than a straight up rip off of the Tarzan riff that really had no place in the BP mythos.
Priest's insecurities and anticipation of cancellation had him throwing stuff at the walls in the hope that something would stick.
None of those strategies stopped the hate and disdain he recieved from readers who felt that he was writing T'Challa above his station.
Hudlin didn't give a damn about the haters and that's why he was able to deliver a BP who was about his business and secure with it.[/QUOTE]
No, Hunter was there to introduce conflict and contrast between T'Challa and the image T'Challa had of his father. And the fact that Hunter added to Panther's virtually non existent rogues gallery helped.
Can I just say, I love how Hudlin fans will always go 'It's not about Hudlin vs. Priest, man!' right before saying something along the lines of 'This is why Priest sucked/sold out'.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3481093]No, Hunter was there to introduce conflict and contrast between T'Challa and the image T'Challa had of his father. And the fact that Hunter added to Panther's virtually non existent rogues gallery helped.
Can I just say, I love how Hudlin fans will always go 'It's not about Hudlin vs. Priest, man!' right before saying something along the lines of 'This is why Priest sucked/sold out'.[/QUOTE]
[B]Maybe it wouldn't turn out that way if people would stop trying to minimize Hudlins run. Truth is, by his own admission Priest was catering to white audiences, no one here is saying he sucked that is completely and wholeheartedly false. And a poor attempt to cast shade on those who like Hudlin's run as much or more then Priests.
Hunter wasn't a Rogue. McGregor actually had a pretty big gallery created m but BP writers have generally ignored thing's from the runs before theirs which is a problem. And the same thing could of been done with a Black Character too.[/B]
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3480655]...yeah, I know. That was my point.
You were lauding Hudlin, however (a comic writer per the subject) for his creation of Shuri, as if he had magically foreseen the movie script and Shuri's place in it when he created her.
Call me naive, but I do not believe that Hudlin cam see the future[/QUOTE]
I personally have not been a fan of Shuri and was vocal about it.
That said, we should give Hudlin his due in having the cultural and marketing forsight to know that little black girls need heros too. While the way this movie went about it was dumb and detrimental to Tchalla (a 16 year old being the smartest and somehow responsible for Wakandas advancement (at 16.....) it still did what Hudlin intended long ago. My problem is that they could ve done it in a smarter less pandering. Less nonsensical way, by just making Shuri a fierce kid sister warrior like the comics and kept same movie personality ppl loved.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3481080]Real talk my bro.
Some people fail to realise how insulting some of Priest's misteps were during his otherwise stellar BP run.
Hunter was nothing more than a straight up rip off of the Tarzan riff that really had no place in the BP mythos.
Priest's insecurities and anticipation of cancellation had him throwing stuff at the walls in the hope that something would stick.
He basically short-changed himself and virtually ran out of steam towards the end of his run.
And to make it worse, none of those strategies stopped the hate and disdain he recieved from readers who felt that he was writing T'Challa above his station.
Hudlin didn't give a damn about the haters and that's why he was able to deliver a BP who was about his business and secure with it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3481145][B]Maybe it wouldn't turn out that way if people would stop trying to minimize Hudlins run. Truth is, by his own admission Priest was catering to white audiences, no one here is saying he sucked that is completely and wholeheartedly false. And a poor attempt to cast shade on those who like Hudlin's run as much or more then Priests.
Hunter wasn't a Rogue. McGregor actually had a pretty big gallery created m but BP writers have generally ignored thing's from the runs before theirs which is a problem. And the same thing could of been done with a Black Character too.[/B][/QUOTE]
This..
I can't wait for :
Vicente José Stark - Tony 1st cousin who has green white & red armor.. Who will fight too & nail to protect Stark Enterprises & the only thing he love more than that Afro-Mexican Independence..
Marcus Khalid Rogers - Steve father brother grandson/great gradson.. Who where's a red black & green Cap costume ( to rep pan-africanism harder than I do)..
Coming soon to IM & Cap comics in 20notnever..
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[QUOTE=Ekie;3481193]I personally have not been a fan of Shuri and was vocal about it.
That said, we should give Hudlin his due in having the cultural and marketing forsight to know that little black girls heros too. While the way this movie went about it was dumb and detrimental to Tchalla (a 16 year old being the smartest and somehow sponsible for Wakandas advancement (at 16.....) it still did what Hudlin intended long ago. My problem is that they could ve done it in a smarter less pandering. Less nonsensical way, by just making Shuri a fierce kid sister warrior like the comics and kept same movie personality ppl loved.[/QUOTE]
I think she needed to be more than just a fierce warrior to stand out, because really almost all the Wakandans seem to be fierice warriors. She becomes interchangeable with the Doras or Nakia that way. But as the smartest person on earth, she stands out. She has her own thing.
Plus, with Stark eventually heading off into the sunset, it potentially creates a useful niche that Shuri can fill down the line.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3481198]I think she needed to be more than just a fierce warrior to stand out, because really almost all the Wakandans seem to be fierice warriors. She becomes interchangeable with the Doras or Nakia that way. But as the smartest person on earth, she stands out. She has her own thing.
Plus, with Stark eventually heading off into the sunset, it potentially creates a useful niche that Shuri can fill down the line.[/QUOTE]
Who wants to bet that after Infinity War, Panther is the Avenger Assembler? He's got the resources and will.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3481254]Who wants to bet that after Infinity War, Panther is the Avenger Assembler? He's got the resources and will.[/QUOTE]
I think it’s inevitable. Especially if Wakanda pulls a “See Wakanda and Die” in a couple of months.