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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2860357]Agreed 100%.
But as T'Challa reset Wakanda to before the arrival of Black Swan and the initial threat of the first Incursion, what breakdown in law, influx of refugees or incidence of war are we talking about?[/quote]
I understand your point about Hickman's intent and what the ending of Secret Wars suggested, but it's an implication that's been followed nowhere else in Marvel and has been categorically rejected in this story. Certainly, the Black Order has been shown in this story in flashbacks.
[quote]If there had never been any rape camps depicted over the entire history of the BP mythos pre-Coates, how did the writer come to the conclusion that rape camps within Wakanda were all of a sudden a viable story trope to explore?[/QUOTE]
I still stand by the argument that I've argued from the beginning that the periphery of Wakanda was rarely shown outside of Killmonger's village. What we've seen of the Jabari lands wasn't pleasant even if it wasn't precisely this. The refugee camps with Achebe certainly had problems of their own, but they were described in very vague terms.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2860530]I understand your point about Hickman's intent and what the ending of Secret Wars suggested, but it's an implication that's been followed nowhere else in Marvel and has been categorically rejected in this story. Certainly, the Black Order has been shown in this story in flashbacks.
I still stand by the argument that I've argued from the beginning that the periphery of Wakanda was rarely shown outside of Killmonger's village. What we've seen of the Jabari lands wasn't pleasant even if it wasn't precisely this. The refugee camps with Achebe certainly had problems of their own, but they were described in very vague terms.[/QUOTE]
In hindsight I'm actually suprised that Hickman thought Marvel would be willing to go along with his ending, if it essentially retconned the entire multiverse since NA 1. That's a LOT of stories that magically went away.
Though maybe he didn't care one way or the other, since he was on his way out anyways.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2860530]I understand your point about Hickman's intent and what the ending of Secret Wars suggested, but it's an implication that's been followed nowhere else in Marvel and has been categorically rejected in this story. Certainly, the Black Order has been shown in this story in flashbacks.[/QUOTE]
[B]Well we have already seen that the same thing did not occur the second time around, Wakanda was not defeated by the Black order a second time around, Wakanda and Atlantis weren't at war anymore, and Thanos wasn't even around to strike again, so while Marvel tries to reject Hickmans ending, There are to many other inconsistencies that don't make sense. They should of just said it was the reality gem as it would of made everything still happen without the incursions as well as giving Tchalla the fest which I Still give him[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2860932][B]Well we have already seen that the same thing did not occur the second time around, Wakanda was not defeated by the Black order a second time around, Wakanda and Atlantis weren't at war anymore, and Thanos wasn't even around to strike again, so while Marvel tries to reject Hickmans ending, There are to many other inconsistencies that don't make sense. They should of just said it was the reality gem as it would of made everything still happen without the incursions as well as giving Tchalla the fest which I Still give him[/B][/QUOTE]
Coates may have decided that there were some differences, but I think the point is that enough damage was caused by the Black Orders attack to create problems for Wakanda. They weren't completely destroyed, but they also didn't entirely dodge the bullet. They took a hit, and it took them a little time to recover.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2860530]I understand your point about Hickman's intent and what the ending of Secret Wars suggested, but it's an implication that's been followed nowhere else in Marvel and has been categorically rejected in this story. Certainly, the Black Order has been shown in this story in flashbacks.
I still stand by the argument that I've argued from the beginning that the periphery of Wakanda was rarely shown outside of Killmonger's village. What we've seen of the Jabari lands wasn't pleasant even if it wasn't precisely this. The refugee camps with Achebe certainly had problems of their own, but they were described in very vague terms.[/QUOTE]
Followed nowhere else in Marvel?
How do you explain T'Challa and Wakanda's funding of the Ultimates project as chronicled by Al Ewing?
I agree with you that Coates totally rejected the ending of Hickman's SW II as regards Wakanda.
The fact that he opted to portray Wakanda as a Third World hell hole says a lot more about the writers views on Africa than anything else in my humble opinion.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2860490]Or find it unrealistic. What is it that has been said about this version of T'Challa and Wakanda? "It's more realistic."[/QUOTE]
Don't forget "very African" as said by Stelfreeze
SMH
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2861176]Followed nowhere else in Marvel?
How do you explain T'Challa and Wakanda's funding of the Ultimates project as chronicled by Al Ewing?
I agree with you that Coates totally rejected the ending of Hickman's SW II as regards Wakanda.
The fact that he opted to portray Wakanda as a Third World hell hole says a lot more about the writers views on Africa than anything else in my humble opinion.[/QUOTE]
I've accepted Coates and co.'s stories as elseworld stories, just by how much they do not make sense with established content
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2861176]Followed nowhere else in Marvel?
How do you explain T'Challa and Wakanda's funding of the Ultimates project as chronicled by Al Ewing?[/quote]
Wakanda is a rich country capable of funding things? Ewing has followed the same narrative that the incursions happened but are somehow only distantly remembered. IIRC, Ms. Marvel has mentioned some of the events at her school from End of Days, if I'm not mistaken.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2861299]Wakanda is a rich country capable of funding things? Ewing has followed the same narrative that the incursions happened but are somehow only distantly remembered. IIRC, Ms. Marvel has mentioned some of the events at her school from End of Days, if I'm not mistaken.[/QUOTE]
Wakanda is indeed a rich country fully capable of funding an agency whose mission statement encompasses dealing with mega threats to Earth.
Wakanda is also a incredibly technologically advance nation who as Hickman ably revealed were about to lead the rest of the planet onto a deeper exploration of space.
Wakanda under Coates unimaginative pen, is now a cesspit of misogyny, manufactured gender inequality and rape.
Do the math.
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[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;2861295]I've accepted Coates and co.'s stories as elseworld stories, just by how much they do not make sense with established content[/QUOTE]
Elseworld stories that unfortunately run the BP mythos into the proverbial ground.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2861299]Wakanda is a rich country capable of funding things? Ewing has followed the same narrative that the incursions happened but are somehow only distantly remembered. IIRC, Ms. Marvel has mentioned some of the events at her school from End of Days, if I'm not mistaken.[/QUOTE]
Then why is Coates basing his story that Wakanda is broken due to the Incursions? If the Incursions are only a distant memory, then what are Wakandans so angry with T'Challa about?
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******on another note******
Teasers will be out soon, says @Lupita_Nyongo about the Black Panther movie #CFDAAwards #BlackPanther
[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/kiimmieee00/status/871875665703907328[/url]
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[QUOTE=Chesterfield;2861396]******on another note******
Teasers will be out soon, says @Lupita_Nyongo about the Black Panther movie #CFDAAwards #BlackPanther
[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/kiimmieee00/status/871875665703907328[/url][/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc9bnjrZIw1qam5vs.gif[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2861383]Then why is Coates basing his story that Wakanda is broken due to the Incursions? If the Incursions are only a distant memory, then what are Wakandans so angry with T'Challa about?[/QUOTE]
It wasn't the incursions that specifically are responsible for Wakanda's problems so much as the damage caused by the BLack Order. And that is more than just a memory. That actually happened (though seemingly not with the same degree of severity as they did in Time Runs Out). Though even apart from the Black Orders attack, a sort of cumulative effect was at work as some were angry about what happened in DOom War and AvX as well. Overtime stuff started to add up.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2861481]It wasn't the incursions that specifically are responsible for Wakanda's problems so much as the damage caused by the BLack Order. And that is more than just a memory. That actually happened (though seemingly not with the same degree of severity as they did in Time Runs Out). Though even apart from the Black Orders attack, a sort of cumulative effect was at work as some were angry about what happened in DOom War and AvX as well. Overtime stuff started to add up.[/QUOTE]
T'Challa wasn't king.
