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[QUOTE=ExcelsiorPrime;304043]First off I picked one part 0f your post to lampoon. because as a Panther fan how could you say a book in which the main character was punked and denied a victory was good? i was snarking the comment DOOMWAR was good, not you personally...[/QUOTE]
I thought it was good the ending should have been better but you could say that for almost every mini
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;302540]Here is the real problem...
What do George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, [B]James Cameron[/B], Peter Jackson and [B]J.J. Abrams[/B] all have in common?
They all have box office blockbusters but [B][U]they have never created an A-list black super hero on purpose![/U][/B]
This is not a total negative in that they have hardly ever applied a focus toward pushing a black character to A-list and neither has anyone else outside of McFarlane's Spawn or the Wesley Snipes' Blade movies accomplished this including black writers themselves![/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://www.scificool.com/images/2013/05/Zoe-Saldana-in-Star-Trek-Into-Darkness-2013-Movie-Image-2.jpg[/IMG]
Those two nearly single-handed (along with Saldana, of course) are the reason she is an A-list action hero, appearing in numerous action films now, and about to be in GotG.
And I don't know about anyone else, but Celie has been a hero of mine since childhood (though that's more due to Alice Walker than Spielberg; though the film is brilliant).
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[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;305202][IMG]http://www.scificool.com/images/2013/05/Zoe-Saldana-in-Star-Trek-Into-Darkness-2013-Movie-Image-2.jpg[/IMG]
Those two nearly single-handed (along with Saldana, of course) are the reason she is an A-list action hero, appearing in numerous action films now, and about to be in GotG.
And I don't know about anyone else, but Celie has been a hero of mine since childhood (though that's more due to Alice Walker than Spielberg; though the film is brilliant).[/QUOTE]
I like Zoe and she's undoubtedly headlined a couple of films, but I dunno is she's exactly A-list.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;305269]I like Zoe and she's undoubtedly headlined a couple of films, but I dunno is she's exactly A-list.[/QUOTE]
She's not Tom Cruise A-list, but she's definitely Chris Hemsworth A-list (who, ironically, was a minor role in the first Star Trek film reboot).
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[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;305315]She's not Tom Cruise A-list, but she's definitely Chris Hemsworth A-list (who, ironically, was a minor role in the first Star Trek film reboot).[/QUOTE]
There aren't really that many people these days who are as big as guys like Cruise, Pitt, Stallone, etc... were at the height of their runs. The playing field for A list has gotten wider but smaller, I think.
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[QUOTE=MrHashasheen;305341]There aren't really that many people these days who are as big as guys like Cruise, Pitt, Stallone, etc... were at the height of their runs. The playing field for A list has gotten wider but smaller, I think.[/QUOTE]
The age of the solo action hero is over.
Nobody is as big as those guys were during the 80's and 90's. Hell, nobody now is even as big of a deal as Van Damme and Steven Segal were.
I mean they TRIED with Jason Statham and Clive Owen, but that kind of thing is pretty much over now.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;305468]The age of the solo action hero is over.
Nobody is as big as those guys were during the 80's and 90's. Hell, nobody now is even as big of a deal as Van Damme and Steven Segal were.
I mean they TRIED with Jason Statham and Clive Owen, but that kind of thing is pretty much over now.[/QUOTE]
One of the biggest box-office stars right now is Sandra Bullock, a woman who started as "token girl" in actions films is a now a massive action star in her right.
[URL="http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2013/10/16/sandra-bullock-is-now-one-of-hollywoods-biggest-movie-stars/"]http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2013/10/16/sandra-bullock-is-now-one-of-hollywoods-biggest-movie-stars/[/URL]
[I]Five of Sandra Bullock’s last seven films have consecutively broken her personal best opening weekend records. Read that last sentence again so it sinks in. Twenty years after she first became a movie star, and at an age (49 years old) when women are supposed to be past their expiration date, Ms. Bullock is not only bigger than ever but perhaps the biggest female star on the planet. Since 2007, Bullock has gone from an actress who never had a debut over $16m to an actress with three openings over $30m and another over $55m.[/I]
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Kieran_Frost c'mon son... Zoe Saldana???
That was reaching... Half the people that saw the movie Avatar cannot even remember the name of the character she played in Avatar plus she was cgi blue and not black!
In Guardians of The Galaxy she is once again not a black woman but cgi green this time and all the other movies she sort of played the Ororo/Storm role that was not exactly pro-black in nature allowing audiences to embrace her more "multicultural" side without scaring them off!
So once again not one A-list black character but skirting around the idea of going for the full on make no mistake about it they are definitely black role!
The Black Panther role would be straight up black with no cgi compromises or vain attempts to appease audiences who might be turned off by someone so black, so intelligent and so super hero BOSS!
Then again if they cast Shemar Moore as Black Panther it would be ever so obvious why they went that route... The key words here are "Less Threatening" and Zoe Saldana fills that role easily!
You notice how none of them trip all up over each other to do what is right about the Black Panther even though they know it is out there for the making... You would think in this "Politically Correct" era that it wouldn't just be Stan Lee trying to promote a Black Panther movie!
The first white fanboy that stands up and goes all in for the Black Panther will be Eminem rich and have the street cred to match amongst black folks... Keep dancing around this issue accepting what Marvel hands you or forces upon you and go sit next to Maberry and Roy Thomas!
George Lucas: "I'll produce Black Panther let's do it... And I promise not to soften it up like Redtails and go all in this time!"
Steven Spielberg: "Let me get at that Black Panther script it's long overdue!"
James Cameron: "Enough is enough with the blue black people I'm in... Make mine Black Panther!"
Peter Jackson: "Instead of King Kong chasing the blond haired white girl and The Hobbitt with absolutely no black People whatsoever gimme Black Panther right now!"
J.J. Abrams: "I'm already on Disney's pay roll my dream job is to make a black super hero bigger than life... Black Panther it is!"
In reality all you hear from most of Hollywood on Black Panther is crickets... Make that cgi yellow crickets just to be safe!
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I don't think folks have read Zoe's comments in regards to race.
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So many people saw the Rosemary's Baby miniseries she starred in.....oh wait
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So, seeing the recent solicits about New Avengers made me think that Thanos' squad would take out the Illuminati.
That could still be the case, but at least BP won't be one of the victims.
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;305690]Kieran_Frost c'mon son... Zoe Saldana??? That was reaching... Half the people that saw the movie Avatar cannot even remember the name of the character she played in Avatar plus she was cgi blue and not black![/QUOTE] To be fair, Avatar is complete shit and boring. I don't think I remember anyone's names from that movie.
[QUOTE]Then again if they cast Shemar Moore as Black Panther it would be ever so obvious why they went that route... The key words here are "Less Threatening" and Zoe Saldana fills that role easily![/QUOTE] Flex, as a grown man who has seen every episode of Criminal Minds, I can unequivocally state I'm incredibly threatened by the all-star package that is Shemar Moore. Men like that should not exist as comparison for the rest of us! As a side note, if he ever left Criminal Minds I would grieve as only a fan would, but I actually see him as Mr. Terrific II.
[QUOTE]You notice how none of them trip all up over each other to do what is right about the Black Panther even though they know it is out there for the making... You would think in this "Politically Correct" era that it wouldn't just be Stan Lee trying to promote a Black Panther movie![/QUOTE] Do they know? Do they even care? Lucas hasn't done anything besides Redtails and the most he's been working on is his own stuff in Star Wars. Spielberg... Spielberg hasn't touched much that wasn't a drama as a director. Cameron's overrated. After his Hobbit films, I don't want Jackson touching anything superhero-like. And as for Abrams, I don't think it's quite in his field. That dude pretty much does sci-fi and only sci-fi. I'd tip him to Green Lantern before Black Panther.
Big names aren't what always matters. Kenneth Branagh carried Thor to an acceptable showing and he was best known for Shakespearan shows.
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George Lucas: "I'll produce Black Panther let's do it... And I promise not to soften it up like Redtails and go all in this time!"
Steven Spielberg: "Let me get at that Black Panther script it's long overdue!"
James Cameron: "Enough is enough with the blue black people I'm in... Make mine Black Panther!"
Peter Jackson: "Instead of King Kong chasing the blond haired white girl and The Hobbitt with absolutely no black People whatsoever gimme Black Panther right now!"
J.J. Abrams: "I'm already on Disney's pay roll my dream job is to make a black super hero bigger than life... Black Panther it is!"[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't take any of them at the Black Panther helm. And why the fuck are you critiquing a lack of black people in the Hobbit? It's an Anglo-Saxon fantasy fiction written a hundred years ago about thirteen dwarfs, a hobbit and a wizard trying to rob a dragon. There are barely any women in the entire Tolkien mythology, let alone minorities.
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MrHashasheen...
Avatar is the highest grossing film unadjusted for inflation so whether one person found it boring does not matter to the almost 3 billion dollars worth of fans who saw it not only once but arguably twice and thrice if not four times because that is a whole lot of retention not seen in any other movie... Some people want things never before seen and Avatar is actually a great lesson for depicting Wakanda assuming that the dialogue is much more intellectual!
I appreciate it for what it did cinematically even if it is a ripoff of Pocahontas and Dances With Wolves... I watch it again every now and then for marketing research!
My son watches the reruns of Criminal Minds and it is a pretty good show but often times the lighter skinned brother is cast and no matter how much bass he puts in his voice it's just not the same feel as it is if a much darker skinned Denzel or Wesley did it... This part is self explanatory!
As far as the upper brass knowing what's going on every major player in Hollywood is aware of most if not all possible investments because there are general announcements about what could be pitched, produced or invested in privately and openly... You don't get that cash rich and not know that the Black Panther as a character exists this I know for a fact through a billionaire movie producer I discussed Black Panther with!
I think you are missing my point about the men I listed in that most of them have been doing this for decades and have yet to produce a black A-list character and the fact that none of them have bother to try despite how rich they already are... Satire!
Your last paragraph should pretty much explains why I said what I said... Are you following me or just ranting?
I was responding to Kieran's post and using vivid examples of what some are not doing anyway!
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[QUOTE=Double 0;305939]So, seeing the recent solicits about New Avengers made me think that Thanos' squad would take out the Illuminati.
That could still be the case, but at least BP won't be one of the victims.
[IMG]http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/NEWAVN2013025-4560a.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Nice cover. The next avengers are appearing in Avengers world is that Bp's kid on the cover?
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[QUOTE=D. Strong;303980]I'll try to find the interview. He basically alluded to the fact that he felt that BP was too flawless, unsmudged, and squeaky-clean. Which was a major red flag, when I read it.[/QUOTE]
I actually read that interview as well but I can't remember whether it was on the old CBR or not.
I remember losing faith in Maberry's vision for T'Challa and Wakanda when I read that interview too.