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[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3147397]I disagree. And if the author is Coates like I'm hoping then we know the relationship will be done justice.[/QUOTE]
You're welcome to disagree to your hearts content.
Doesn't change the fact that T'Challa deserves to broaden his horizons unfettered by any ties to another characters toxic franchise.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3147416]I think the fact that they were married essentially makes both of them important parts of each others histories. That's not something you can necessarily just sweep under the rig and forget about, as evidenced by them both still trying to make it work.[/QUOTE]
And your point is what exactly?
Irrespective of the marr8age, T'Challa has almost never been spoken about positively in any X-book to date so how under your estimation, does that translate as T'Challa being interwoven into Storm's mythos?
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3147893]You're welcome to disagree to your hearts content.
Doesn't change the fact that T'Challa deserves to broaden his horizons unfettered by any ties to another characters toxic franchise.[/QUOTE]
It's fine you feel that way. But I feel better when they're together. So I'm gonna keep running with that. When they're completely done with one another, I'll agree that BP deserves to move on. But while they're together and someone is actually interested in writing them competently? No, never! I'll declare war. Lmao
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3147901]And your point is what exactly?
Irrespective of the marr8age, T'Challa has almost never been spoken about positively in any X-book to date so how under your estimation, does that translate as T'Challa being interwoven into Storm's mythos?[/QUOTE]
I like how no one has latched onto a throw away line from Astonishing that I've referenced quite a few times. T'Challa was written as pretty much bankrolling the X-men upon Storm return to the team. How isn't that a good light? I know, that's one thing compared to all the shade thrown his way by the X-Office. But they cannot deny he had their back during their darkest day. That's a pretty big deal. And that's some truth for yo ass!
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[QUOTE=Mr HardKnocks;3147880]I don't think Luke will get married to Jessica in the TV Shows. The creator of JJ, Melissa Rosenberg, said her and Bendis wound up on a nazi hate sight not because of abortion, feminism, lesbianism but the interracial scene. That's probably why they put him with Claire but then Daredevil fanboys said that was Matts girl despite him being with Karen at the time. I even read some didn't like Luke being with Misty Knight. People always trying to cockblock Luke.[/QUOTE]
I think Luke and Jessica will get married eventually ... but that effectively ends them having separate shows, so it's something to do when you're basically close to the end of your run. It's probably more end game stuff.
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[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3147991]It's fine you feel that way. But I feel better when they're together. So I'm gonna keep running with that. When they're completely done with one another, I'll agree that BP deserves to move on. But while they're together and someone is actually interested in writing them competently? No, never! I'll declare war. Lmao
I like how no one has latched onto a throw away line from Astonishing that I've referenced quite a few times. T'Challa was written as pretty much bankrolling the X-men upon Storm return to the team. How isn't that a good light? I know, that's one thing compared to all the shade thrown his way by the X-Office. But they cannot deny he had their back during their darkest day. That's a pretty big deal. And that's some truth for yo ass![/QUOTE]
I never acknowledge the "throwaway line from Astonish" for the simple fact that Wolverine's talking down on Africa soured me on a tale whose only redeeming quality was Dr Crocodile who saw more direct action in that series than T'Challa has seen under Coates pen.
Not once did I see Storm standing up for her husband whenever he got disrespected in the X-books so no, I genuinely wish for her to be gone from the BP mythos post Priest/Hudlin/McDuffie/Liss until a writer (not Coates) comes along to write them as a equally matched couple, or write them going their seperate ways amicably.
T'Challa deserves to find love elsewhere.
Storm's had a choice and she chose to jump into the sack with Wolverine.
Post marriage, who did T'Challa hook up with again?
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I don't have a problem with Storm but I'm 50-50 on her and BP getting together. Storm is a good character and would make an good spouse for BP and possibly mother of his children. But she comes with way too much baggage from her ties with the X Men. The writers and fans don't like BP with her. There's already boards being made on who Wolverine should get back with (Storm or Jean) since he's returning. When they divorced the characters they immediately put her with Wolverine three months later. She didn't stay single for long but BP hasn't had one love interest since.
With BPs movie about to come he's about to become a black icon. Storm despite being a good character has been "whored" out (kissing and sex) by the X writers with non black men. All that is part of her history and it kinda degrades her character as a black woman, black queen and possible black icon. If BP would've had a non black woman on his arm he would be attacked by more racist and black women but that would never happen with Storm. Storm currently in her world of the X men is being lead by Kitty Pryde and barley gets anything better than just causing a thunderstorm. She has been portrayed as light skinned and given minimal screen time in the X movies. The X writers want her on the team but nothing more. If people want Storm and BP together, the X fans and writers need to get on board if not she must go back to them. BP can survive without her but can she become more than just being a token without him?
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[QUOTE=Mr HardKnocks;3147880]I don't think Luke will get married to Jessica in the TV Shows. The creator of JJ, Melissa Rosenberg, said her and Bendis wound up on a nazi hate sight not because of abortion, feminism, lesbianism but the interracial scene. That's probably why they put him with Claire but then Daredevil fanboys said that was Matts girl despite him being with Karen at the time. I even read some didn't like Luke being with Misty Knight. People always trying to cockblock Luke.[/QUOTE]
Wow, that stinks about the hate site, but I don't think that's why they paired him with Claire.
You can't have a "Luke Cage" show that's keying in on the black demographic but has a titular character that has a white wife, white best friend and hangs around nothing but white coworkers with no black women in sight. And acts like a battered sitcom husband to his white wife who calls him out for being broke, in front of everybody.
Pretty much Luke Cage of the past decade. Just like no mainstream black person (male or female) is trying to see Misty Knight with Iron Fist.
Hence why they preempted Luke with a mixed/black wife before Jessica, then the marketing illusion that Misty was the main love interest in s1. Then making Misty act illogical so that it was crystal clear Misty didn't want him, and not the other way around... and setting up Claire bc Rosario is the bigger actress. Which I think was lame bc Simone Missick fine as hell.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3147901][B]And your point is what exa[/B]ctly?
Irrespective of the marr8age, T'Challa has almost never been spoken about positively in any X-book to date so how under your estimation, does that translate as T'Challa being interwoven into Storm's mythos?[/QUOTE]
He doesn't have a point. That's why he avoids you. We see it though.
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[QUOTE=Rumble;3148193]Wow, that stinks about the hate site, but I don't think that's why they paired him with Claire.
You can't have a "Luke Cage" show that's keying in on the black demographic but has a titular character that has a white wife, white best friend and hangs around nothing but white coworkers with no black women in sight. And acts like a battered sitcom husband to his white wife who calls him out for being broke, in front of everybody.
Pretty much Luke Cage of the past decade. Just like no mainstream black person (male or female) is trying to see Misty Knight with Iron Fist.
Hence why they preempted Luke with a mixed/black wife before Jessica, then the marketing illusion that Misty was the main love interest in s1. Then making Misty act illogical so that it was crystal clear Misty didn't want him, and not the other way around... and setting up Claire bc Rosario is the bigger actress. Which I think was lame bc Simone Missick fine as hell.[/QUOTE]
Hmm...at the end of the day the Cage show was still very afro-centric though :o
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[QUOTE=Mr HardKnocks;3148176]I don't have a problem with Storm but I'm 50-50 on her and BP getting together. Storm is a good character and would make an good spouse for BP and possibly mother of his children. But she comes with way too much baggage from her ties with the X Men. The writers and fans don't like BP with her. There's already boards being made on who Wolverine should get back with (Storm or Jean) since he's returning. When they divorced the characters they immediately put her with Wolverine three months later. She didn't stay single for long but BP hasn't had one love interest since.
With BPs movie about to come he's about to become a black icon. Storm despite being a good character has been "whored" out (kissing and sex) by the X writers with non black men. All that is part of her history and it kinda degrades her character as a black woman, black queen and possible black icon. If BP would've had a non black woman on his arm he would be attacked by more racist and black women but that would never happen with Storm. Storm currently in her world of the X men is being lead by Kitty Pryde and barley gets anything better than just causing a thunderstorm. She has been portrayed as light skinned and given minimal screen time in the X movies. The X writers want her on the team but nothing more. If people want Storm and BP together, the X fans and writers need to get on board if not she must go back to them. BP can survive without her but can she become more than just being a token without him?[/QUOTE]
There's no doubt that being with BP does help Storm. It's why I think he became such an important part of her mythos ... it showed she can be more than just an X-Men. She can be the Queen of Wakanda, a member of the FF, and an Avenger.
Not that being a main fixture in the X-men isn't great since it's such a high profile successful franchise, but the marriage showed Storm could be other things in addition to that.
For a female character it's tough getting any traction outside of a team book at marvel. The BP marriage gave the character a bit of leverage to do a bit of that.
Course, all that aside the main reason to pair them is they are both great characters with a lot of potential together. And that's true even if they're not married.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;3148302]Hmm...at the end of the day the Cage show was still very afro-centric though :o[/QUOTE]
Cage is sort of in a position where he can both have an afri-centric show, and showcase interact all relationships. He's a champion of his community, who will likely end up with a white best friend and love interest.
So yes on one hand he'll likely be criticized both for having a white love interest and for not having a white love interest. But on the otherhand, he has the opportunity to stick it to the people crapping on him.
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[QUOTE=Rumble;3148193]Wow, that stinks about the hate site, but I don't think that's why they paired him with Claire.
You can't have a "Luke Cage" show that's keying in on the black demographic but has a titular character that has a white wife, white best friend and hangs around nothing but white coworkers with no black women in sight. And acts like a battered sitcom husband to his white wife who calls him out for being broke, in front of everybody.[/QUOTE]
I forgot about that aspect of their relationship...or rather I chose to forget. "Battered sitcom husband" lol pretty much why I stopped watching sitcoms that feature a married couple as the leads.
[QUOTE]Pretty much Luke Cage of the past decade. Just like no mainstream black person (male or female) is trying to see Misty Knight with Iron Fist.
Hence why they preempted Luke with a mixed/black wife before Jessica, then the marketing illusion that Misty was the main love interest in s1. Then making Misty act illogical so that it was crystal clear Misty didn't want him, and not the other way around... and setting up Claire bc Rosario is the bigger actress. Which I think was lame bc Simone Missick fine as hell.[/QUOTE]
Plus they're making it a point that 1) he has an active sex life 2) with the finest women possible. That's [sadly] kind of unheard of for a black male character on TV.
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[URL="https://www.newsarama.com/36823-nycc-17-marvel-animation.html"]News from the Marvel Animation panel.[/URL]
The art style for "Panther's Quest" will be more in-line with the new Spider-Man cartoon.
There will also be a Lego special titled "Black Panther: Troubled in Wakanda."
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[QUOTE=XPac;3148317]There's no doubt that being with BP does help Storm. It's why I think he became such an important part of her mythos ... it showed she can be more than just an X-Men. She can be the Queen of Wakanda, a member of the FF, and an Avenger.
Not that being a main fixture in the X-men isn't great since it's such a high profile successful franchise, but the marriage showed Storm could be other things in addition to that.
For a female character it's tough getting any traction outside of a team book at marvel. The BP marriage gave the character a bit of leverage to do a bit of that.
Course, all that aside the main reason to pair them is they are both great characters with a lot of potential together. And that's true even if they're not married.[/QUOTE]
Wow!
Has someone hijacked your account.
Most every BP fan that's posted in this thread over the years knew all of the above to be true so it's like anything new is being said here.
Unfortunately, for whatever reason, Marvel editorial chose to allow one part of their creative offices, enough leeway to sabotage something special that would have been a major paradigm shift within the MU.
Having said that, it's time for T'Challa to forget ahead without the proverbial mill stone of Storm's X-baggage weighing him down.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3148074]I think Luke and Jessica will get married eventually ... but that effectively ends them having separate shows, so it's something to do when you're basically close to the end of your run. It's probably more end game stuff.[/QUOTE]
[B]I Doubt they will. They aren't a good couple together and it would be best to keep them business casual[/B]