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[QUOTE=Tony Stark;272576]I don't see Tony falling apart or crumbling each issue, but he was taken down easily. He was pretty much dismantled in seconds by boundless.[/QUOTE]
I found Boundless take down of Tony so easily somewhat insulting to be quite frank but I suppose Stark is Marvel's perrenial whipping boy these days.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;272651]I think what the real issue is that, some people are looking for a real clear cut "Marvel Handbook" definition of T'Challa's new powers, but Hickman probably never intended to provide such. He didn't define them when BP became King Of The Dead and he hasn't spelled them out since.[/QUOTE]
I can't speak for whatever anyone else would like to see as regards visual manifestations of T'Challa's current KOTD status but suffice it to say that I would personally like Hickman to remember that comicbooks are a kinetic visual medium reliant on the perfect symbiosis of the written word and sequential art.
My familiarity with and appreciation for Hickman's excellent East of West book published by Image Comics lets me know that he is very capable of scripting stories fairly bristling with violence and cryptically delivered verbiage so it's not as if I'm being unreasonably critical of what he's doing with his take on the Illuminati.
If you're right that Hickman never had any intention of expanding on T'Challa's upgrades then what was the point of making such a big song and dance out've this whole KOTD mularkey?
I very much doubt that a writer of Hickman's pedigree does anything just for the heck of it.
[QUOTE=ed2962;272651]I think Hickman was probably going for something like Warren Ellis did in is run on The Authority where a couple of the character's powers were really kind of abstract. I'm thinking specifically of Jack Hawksmoore who was "King of Cities." Sometimes he'd be just leaping between skyscrapers. Sometimes he'd be looking at a brick wall then tell the others what had just happened previously. One time he seemed to just emerge from a wall which is something he hadn't done before.[/QUOTE]
Only Hickman knows for sure what his ultimate plans for each of the Illuminati are but as this is Black Panther Appreciation thread, it makes sense that I as a Black Panther enthusiast, remain a lot more invested in T'Challa's showings within the NA book as opposed to other members of the group who for the most part, have their own appreciation threads wherein their fans can celebrate their favoured characters abilities, prowess and showings.
Reginald Hudlin's [B]Flags of Our Fathers[/B] mini-series featured a pre-T'Challa Black Panther who was more than capable of taking on powerful foes with a plethora of fighting skills, abilities and weaponry that we're clearly on display (in all their gory detail).....
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so I really find most of the excuses being postulated by some as to why Hickman's T'Challa remains somewhat vague on the prowess tip, somewhat baffling to say the least.
[QUOTE=ed2962;272651]Now, I get why a non-explanation of BP's new powers are frustrating, but I think it's probably just not part of the story Hickman's trying to tell (yet). I'm more bothered by the slow burn of the over all story than anything else.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough but slow burn or not, I want to see more action and less empty threats from T'Challa.
[QUOTE=ed2962;272651]Having said that, I totally love the idea of communicating with the spirits of dead Panthers. If I could get my wish, I'd like to see more of that.[/QUOTE]
T'Challa is supposed to have access to the combined knowledge, abilities and powers of every Black Panther that preceded him but to be frank, I'm a lot more interested in the Batman analogue dude.
Hickman's T'Challa isn't built for anything more than watching Wakandan children die, decieving his sister and making empty threats at this stage.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;272651]I think what the real issue is that, some people are looking for a real clear cut "Marvel Handbook" definition of T'Challa's new powers, but Hickman probably never intended to provide such. He didn't define them when BP became King Of The Dead and he hasn't spelled them out since.
I think Hickman was probably going for something like Warren Ellis did in is run on The Authority where a couple of the character's powers were really kind of abstract. I'm thinking specifically of Jack Hawksmoore who was "King of Cities." Sometimes he'd be just leaping between skyscrapers. Sometimes he'd be looking at a brick wall then tell the others what had just happened previously. One time he seemed to just emerge from a wall which is something he hadn't done before.
Now, I get why a non-explanation of BP's new powers are frustrating, but I think it's probably just not part of the story Hickman's trying to tell (yet). I'm more bothered by the slow burn of the over all story than anything else.
Having said that, I totally love the idea of communicating with the spirits of dead Panthers. If I could get my wish, I'd like to see more of that.[/QUOTE]
When I look at some of the Panthers of the past, they seem to all be a little different. One seems to be a bit of a tank, another looks like a magic user, I think the suited panther could be considered an international business man, etc.. I'd like to see manifestations of these differences in Tchalla. (The international business man thing is just conjecture, but we can dream)
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[QUOTE=Shaunyc;272950]When I look at some of the Panthers of the past, they seem to all be a little different. One seems to be a bit of a tank, another looks like a magic user, I think the suited panther could be considered an international business man, etc.. I'd like to see manifestations of these differences in Tchalla. (The international business man thing is just conjecture, but we can dream)[/QUOTE]
Kind of makes me wish T'Challa would sometimes wear a suit or tux over his BP outfit. It's so 007.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;272788]I found Boundless take down of Tony so easily somewhat insulting to be quite frank but I suppose Stark is Marvel's perrenial whipping boy these days.[/QUOTE]
I have to say brother. It does feel like that sometimes
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[QUOTE=Tony Stark;273208]I have to say brother. It does feel like that sometimes[/QUOTE]
Yeah Civil War really screwed Stark over even if he did get his mind rebooted. But hey he is the poster child for the MCU so only so much damage they can do. BP on the other hand has no such protection limits
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[QUOTE=Tony Stark;273208]I have to say brother. It does feel like that sometimes[/QUOTE]
I guess they got tired of beating up on Thor, so now it's poor Tony's turn.
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[QUOTE=Tony Stark;273208]I have to say brother. It does feel like that sometimes[/QUOTE]
As JaggedFel said, Civil War really messed Tony Stark's profile up something proper and things have never been the same for his character ever since. :smh:
And another thing, I don't really want to hear anything about Hickman being given to heady portentious prose over illustrated mayhem with panels like these floating around.....
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The above action scenes were all written by Hickman so all this talk about Hickman's long game story telling style impacting upon his ability to show T'Challa cracking skulls on panel, needs to be deaded with the quickness becaue the last time I looked, Infinity and the other Avenger book Hickman wrote/writes were both ensemble pieces.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;272945]I can't speak for whatever anyone else would like to see as regards visual manifestations of T'Challa's current KOTD status but suffice it to say that I would personally like Hickman to remember that comicbooks are a kinetic visual medium reliant on the perfect symbiosis of the written word and sequential art.
My familiarity with and appreciation for Hickman's excellent East of West book published by Image Comics lets me know that he is very capable of scripting stories fairly bristling with violence and cryptically delivered verbiage so it's not as if I'm being unreasonably critical of what he's doing with his take on the Illuminati.
If you're right that Hickman never had any intention of expanding on T'Challa's upgrades then what was the point of making such a big song and dance out've this whole KOTD mularkey?
I very much doubt that a writer of Hickman's pedigree does anything just for the heck of it.
Only Hickman knows for sure what his ultimate plans for each of the Illuminati are but as this is Black Panther Appreciation thread, it makes sense that I as a Black Panther enthusiast, remain a lot more invested in T'Challa's showings within the NA book as opposed to other members of the group who for the most part, have their own appreciation threads wherein their fans can celebrate their favoured characters abilities, prowess and showings.
Reginald Hudlin's [B]Flags of Our Fathers[/B] mini-series featured a pre-T'Challa Black Panther who was more than capable of taking on powerful foes with a plethora of fighting skills, abilities and weaponry that we're clearly on display (in all their gory detail).....
so I really find most of the excuses being postulated by some as to why Hickman's T'Challa remains somewhat vague on the prowess tip, somewhat baffling to say the least.
Fair enough but slow burn or not, I want to see more action and less empty threats from T'Challa.
T'Challa is supposed to have access to the combined knowledge, abilities and powers of every Black Panther that preceded him but to be frank, I'm a lot more interested in the Batman analogue dude.
Hickman's T'Challa isn't built for anything more than watching Wakandan children die, decieving his sister and making empty threats at this stage.[/QUOTE]
I didn't mean to suggest that anyone was being unreasonable criticizing the title. I myself actually dropped it for a couple of months because it was obvious that Hickman was just treading water in regards to the plot. I came back cuz it looks like things are happening again. Sorta.
I was just saying that it really doesn't take that much effort to explain the exact limits of BP's new powers. If Hickman hasn't yet, it's probably cuz he simply doesn't want to. He might just think it makes T'challa seem more mysterious. Or perhaps it's something he's saving for the climax of his run.
I don't think Hick's going really explain Blood Magic either. But it sounds scary right?
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[QUOTE=ed2962;274144]I didn't mean to suggest that anyone was being unreasonable criticizing the title. I myself actually dropped it for a couple of months because it was obvious that Hickman was just treading water in regards to the plot. I came back cuz it looks like things are happening again. Sorta.
I was just saying that it really doesn't take that much effort to explain the exact limits of BP's new powers. If Hickman hasn't yet, it's probably cuz he simply doesn't want to. He might just think it makes T'challa seem more mysterious. Or perhaps it's something he's saving for the climax of his run.
I don't think Hick's going really explain Blood Magic either. But it sounds scary right?[/QUOTE]
Sorry ed2962, my response to your thread was more of a generalized reply encompassing my general feelings across the board as regards developments within NA.
Apologies for it coming across as being critical of your observations.
Yes, the Blood Bible does sound ominuous. :cool:
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As long as Hickman leaves T'challa in a better place than Hudlin did I'll be mollified. Not necessarily happy, but mollified. If Hickman decides to break him like Hudlin broke him then I am done with Marvel. Period.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;274256]As long as Hickman leaves T'challa in a better place than Hudlin did I'll be mollified. Not necessarily happy, but mollified. If Hickman decides to break him like Hudlin broke him then I am done with Marvel. Period.[/QUOTE]
The only mistep Reginald Hudlin made with T'Challa was in the curbstomp he had Doom reigning down upon him leading on into Maberry's [B]Doomwar[/B] so I'm not sure where you're getting the whole "Hudlin broke T'Challa" thing from whilst totally bypassing the fact that Maberry was under no obligation to further said curbstomp with an event which further diminished T'Challa as well as set the stage for the dissolution of his marriage to Storm.
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Hudlin's contributions to the Black Panther mythos outsold everyone elses so it's obvious he was doing something right in spite of the fact that some choose to malign him like he stole their lunch money.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;274256]As long as Hickman leaves T'challa in a better place than Hudlin did I'll be mollified. Not necessarily happy, but mollified. If Hickman decides to break him like Hudlin broke him then I am done with Marvel. Period.[/QUOTE]
Considering Hudlin left T'Challa recovering from a coma dethroned and depowered, it probably won't be TOO hard for Hickman to leave him in a better place.
But I do believe some degree of character deconstruction will occur to some members of the Illuminati. I think they're building up a story where they're going to pay some sort of price for their actions. Really, when does an Illuminati story NOT end that way.
Beast and Reed will likely get off easy since they're really characters that Hickman is sort of borrowing. But I think the rest will likely have a tough time in the upcoming months. Though I'm sure they'll all recover from it good as new. Comic books characters are infinately resilient in that way.
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[QUOTE=XPac;274431]Considering Hudlin left T'Challa recovering from a coma dethroned and depowered, it probably won't be TOO hard for Hickman to leave him in a better place.
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I wasn't aware that Reginald Hudlin wrote [B]Doomwar[/B] or any of the mystical/scientific upgrades [B]Maberry[/B] introduced in the aforementioned Doom-centric event.
Hudlin shouldn't be "credited" for where Maberry left T'Challa at the end of [B]Doomwar[/B].
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But Hudlin did hand Mayberry a was in a coma from the crazy curb stomp he had Doom hand T'challa.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;274641]But Hudlin did hand Mayberry a was in a coma from the crazy curb stomp he had Doom hand T'challa.[/QUOTE]
Basically Hudlin left T'Challa in a bit of a whole and Maeberry didn't entirely get him out of it like some probably expected.
When Maeberry inherited him T'Challa just got out of the coma and lost the BP title and powers to Shuri. When Maeberry left T'Challa recovered and got a small power upgrade (though Liss would later remove that) but never regained the BP title. Plus Wakanda lost their vibranium.
In the end Hickman reversed most of that, not unlike how Hudlin reversed or ignored some of the issues Priest keft behind at the ens if his run. Moral of the story being this stuff usually doesn't amount to much long term.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;274641]But Hudlin did hand Mayberry a was in a coma from the crazy curb stomp he had Doom hand T'challa.[/QUOTE]
I never said that he didn't.
Maberry on the otherhand spent an entire arc building T'Challa back up with Wakandan sorcery and even had him developing an entirely new science called [B]Shadow Phyics[/B] the [B]Nowhere Room[/B] and [B]Shadow Particle Weaponry[/B] only to still have Doom kick T'Challa's ass again,have T'Challa "thank" Doom for kicking said ass in a nauseating speech before scraping through with a phyrric "victory" over the Latverian Monarch.
We're still picking up the pieces of that mess today regardless of whatever revisionist history some would prefer to peddle.
And let's not forget that prior to David Liss BP run, Maberry's run was [B]cancelled[/B].
It's funny how that sterling "achievement" never gets accredited to him.
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BP needs Storm back. He needs a hot woman in his life
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[QUOTE=BlackStorm;275340]BP needs Storm back. He needs a hot woman in his life[/QUOTE]
T'challa does not need Storm, it is disappointing to a certain degree that the marriage to storm that created good potential for future stories and maybe even a third in the line of T'Chaka and a new generation BP. But he is cool on his own. New avengers is not really a book where romance would play any real part so the readers will probably have to wait till T'challa gets another solo book or goes to a more "light" team book like say Mighty Avengers before he starts interacting romantically with women again. After he is done saving the multiverse now that he doesnt have the mantle of "kingship" he could probably play the field a little maybe date Monica Rambeau or Misty Knight... romantic dialog between Misty Knight and T'challa would be probably be fairly interesting.
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Look I would have liked the Romance to work...but it failed so lets move on.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;274256]As long as Hickman leaves T'challa in a better place than Hudlin did I'll be mollified. Not necessarily happy, but mollified. If Hickman decides to break him like Hudlin broke him then I am done with Marvel. Period.[/QUOTE]
One of the strengths of Hickman is that as was the case with FF and F4 and probably is the case here he has his total run plotted and mapped out before he writes the first issue. So there should not be random alterations things put in to look cool that would leave T'challa in some weird spot. Also the benefit of a plot focused long range focused writer like Hickman is that even though fights might fewer and depicted more in overview form the characters get written properly and you are not left wondering as to how or why characters are doing whatever it is they are doing. NA has the longest plot/slowest pacing of any of the books Hickman has written/is writing so far so the end will be most likely be strong and leave those involved in good positions.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;274169]Sorry ed2962, my response to your thread was more of a generalized reply encompassing my general feelings across the board as regards developments within NA.
Apologies for it coming across as being critical of your observations.
Yes, the Blood Bible does sound ominuous. :cool:[/QUOTE]
It's all good.
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[QUOTE=BlackStorm;275340]BP needs Storm back. He needs a hot woman in his life[/QUOTE]
i like Storm, but she's not the only black woman in the Marvel universe. I'd like to see T'Challa with a new romantic partner.
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[QUOTE=BlackStorm;275340]BP needs Storm back.[/quote]
No he doesn't
[QUOTE=BlackStorm;275340]He needs a hot woman in his life[/QUOTE]
Every hero needs that special someone
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Also yeah Hickman is perfectly capable of writing fights, we have seen some in Avengers and he done plenty of dynamic fights in East of West of various lengths. So I have to agree with more showing and less telling. On the bright side I don't expect us to get Doom Warred by Hickman so that is nice. However, I still grow tired of empty threats now if its Editorial that is the problem then Hickman needs to change the dialogue and have BP get the revenge he can without empty words. So If you cannot kill Namor for instance then just say "I will Have My Revenge". If there is no force stopping him then he needs to get it done even if the run is long, he can still add some hints
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[QUOTE=JaggedFel;276099]Also yeah Hickman is perfectly capable of writing fights, we have seen some in Avengers and he done plenty of dynamic fights in East of West of various lengths. So I have to agree with more showing and less telling. On the bright side I don't expect us to get Doom Warred by Hickman so that is nice. However, I still grow tired of empty threats now if its Editorial that is the problem then Hickman needs to change the dialogue and have BP get the revenge he can without empty words. So If you cannot kill Namor for instance then just say "I will Have My Revenge". If there is no force stopping him then he needs to get it done even if the run is long, he can still add some hints[/QUOTE]
I can go both ways on the issue of T'Challa's death threat.
Obviously he can't kill Namor, especially if Namor is being used in another title. So I can understand not wanting T'Challa to make threats that he can't back up. But then again, it's probably what T'Challa WOULD say in that situation. Regardless of whether or not he ends up doing it, I do buy T'Challa wanting to kill Namor and at least planning on doing it, even if he ends up not doing it for whatever reason.
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I have a great idea...
Never write Doom or Namor doing something that has to be answered for on a national security level as if they are like Bin Ladin to Wakanda!
Street level Spiderman can give you a pass but Black Panther due to political and foreign domestic policies cannot!
Thor can lay waste to nameless frost giants but not Loki... The Punisher can kill whole battalions worth of random gangsters but cannot kill the Kingpin who more than deserves it... If Black Panther cannot exact revenge upon popular rogues of other characters then do not have them ever cross that line because it chumps him out!
A great opportunity existed to kill Black Dwarf on panel to add to his feats list but the fight not only took place off panel Black dwarf was slaughtered by other characters who got the on panel glory!
This is why you almost never borrow other characters rogues because you cannot kill off any potential revenue generating intellectual property and in ensemble rosters you have to give some focus to the other characters to appease their respective fan bases!
If Namor was due for a movie appearance killing him in the comics is not a heads up Disney executive move so having him on the receiving end of death threats is a waste of time for the character speaking them!
If someone like Killmonger was killed over and over again at least until you got him just right for toy sales as long as he is a Black Panther rogue he can keep coming back time and again just like Magneto or Dr. Octupus!
As future "Point Man" I would have a chart to keep track of all Black Panther's feats and accomplishments to make sure that many issues would not go by without something happening in between all those long "Slow Burn" months of waiting for empty promises to be fulfilled!
Even if I had writer's block I would have "King" T'challa on a political date with Princess Zonda out of the blue get attacked by high powered assassins that he curb stomped while sipping wine just to keep the diehard comic book readers satiated for the time being until I picked back up on a new great story arc!
This is comic books I'm paying for action that I can vicariously live through and cosplay in my onsie pajamas when nobody is looking so I would rather watch Black Panther and Killmonger go back and forth against each other like Wolverine and Sabretooth hundreds of times than to watch non fights and unfulfilled threats month after month!
I wonder what Priest would have accomplished with Disney money now on the table... Back then he was on his own but right now the Black Panther movie has buzz generating itself each time they play musical chairs with directors for Ant-Man and Dr. Strange!
I think Priest today would have more support to take things further with this intellectual property especially with Stan Lee pushing for the Black Panther movie publicly!
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Erik + Killmonger = King of The Dead!
Anytime a super hero not named Ghost Rider or Spawn adopts dark type of arts he is actually flirting more with super villainy than actual super heroism!
This idea and concept works better for villains because subconsciously you associate super heroes with saving lives not necromancy!
Of course with Dr. Strange there are some exceptions but Dr. Strange never made the type of revenue that the other standard issue super heroes have seen!
As of now the concept of "King of The Dead" remains unfulfilled because it basically never had a real chance to begin with being attached to the hero!
When the Egyptian god Amun ra in the two Fantastic Four issues went through all that bloody heart knowledge hiding it looked more like some sacrificial act performed by villains seeking powers not meant for them with evil intent... Can you imagine Disney soccer moms letting their children cosplay this because it is canon to how Wakanda got their genius level intellectuals!
Disney Child: "Look mommy I'm cutting out the heart to transfer the knowledge!'
Disney Soccer Mom: "WTF!!! No way you play with Spiderman and just cosplay the radioactive spider thing... I'm calling the Disney offices right now and complain to management!"
The fact that Erik "Killmonger" has such an obvious name this would have been right up his alley as mystic enhancements to usurp T'challa's position but instead it was given to the hero and after 20 plus issue remains unresolved and lacking in definitive canon and continuity!
Place these powers in the villains hand and you have ready made story arcs that can go in multiple directions and allows for better fleshing out of the rogues gallery which moves the meta plot for the hero to react to!
Just like Doom in Doomwar talking to Bast if you had someone like Killmonger talking to dead Black Panthers of the past the plot thickens easily... Instead you have T'challa a grown @$$ man being scolded like a child by his deceased daddy and a bunch of other has beens adding more to his personal debasement and not growing the character toward something better!
Killmonger stealing the powers and knowledge of Black Panthers from the past allows the ish to hit the fans and places the hero T'challa in jeopardy...
If Killmonger's actions lead to Doras breaking spears at his feet for his antics it creates the drama itself as he has to be dealt with as a possible sexual menace to Wakanda but with T'challa it comes off like a form of castrating and neutering symbolically... As if to say "Hey dude not only is your ex wife banging someone you didn't want her to you also aint getting no where soon with any of these other wives in training!"
Necropolis now doubles as a bat cave of sorts but would have made a much better lair for Killmonger to launch his random terrorist attacks than T'challa using it like his own personal Fortress of Solitude!
What if like Nigeria you pulled a page right off the headlines and had Killmonger kidnapping Doras... And don't give me that "Damsel in Distress" talk Killmonger is one of the best if not the best hand to hand fighter in Wakanda and could easily do this with enhanced powers making himself the terror that he should have been decades ago!
The moral of the story is don't waste the good stuff on the hero when it is so much more fun to let the bad guys wild out as they do in other franchises...
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;276307]Erik + Killmonger = King of The Dead!
Anytime a super hero not named Ghost Rider or Spawn adopts dark type of arts he is actually flirting more with super villainy than actual super heroism! This idea and concept works better for villains because subconsciously you associate super heroes with saving lives not necromancy! Of course with Dr. Strange there are some exceptions but Dr. Strange never made the type of revenue that the other standard issue super heroes have seen! As of now the concept of "King of The Dead" remains unfulfilled because it basically never had a real chance to begin with being attached to the hero! When the Egyptian god Amun ra in the two Fantastic Four issues went through all that bloody heart knowledge hiding it looked more like some sacrificial act performed by villains seeking powers not meant for them with evil intent... Can you imagine Disney soccer moms letting their children cosplay this because it is canon to how Wakanda got their genius level intellectuals!
Disney Child: "Look mommy I'm cutting out the heart to transfer the knowledge!'
Disney Soccer Mom: "WTF!!! No way you play with Spiderman and just cosplay the radioactive spider thing... I'm calling the Disney offices right now and complain to management!"
The fact that Erik "Killmonger" has such an obvious name this would have been right up his alley as mystic enhancements to usurp T'challa's position but instead it was given to the hero and after 20 plus issue remains unresolved and lacking in definitive canon and continuity! Place these powers in the villains hand and you have ready made story arcs that can go in multiple directions and allows for better fleshing out of the rogues gallery which moves the meta plot for the hero to react to! Just like Doom in Doomwar talking to Bast if you had someone like Killmonger talking to dead Black Panthers of the past the plot thickens easily... Instead you have T'challa a grown @$$ man being scolded like a child by his deceased daddy and a bunch of other has beens adding more to his personal debasement and not growing the character toward something better!Killmonger stealing the powers and knowledge of Black Panthers from the past allows the ish to hit the fans and places the hero T'challa in jeopardy...
If Killmonger's actions lead to Doras breaking spears at his feet for his antics it creates the drama itself as he has to be dealt with as a possible sexual menace to Wakanda but with T'challa it comes off like a form of castrating and neutering symbolically... As if to say "Hey dude not only is your ex wife banging someone you didn't want her to you also aint getting no where soon with any of these other wives in training!" Necropolis now doubles as a bat cave of sorts but would have made a much better lair for Killmonger to launch his random terrorist attacks than T'challa using it like his own personal Fortress of Solitude!
What if like Nigeria you pulled a page right off the headlines and had Killmonger kidnapping Doras... And don't give me that "Damsel in Distress" talk Killmonger is one of the best if not the best hand to hand fighter in Wakanda and could easily do this with enhanced powers making himself the terror that he should have been decades ago! The moral of the story is don't waste the good stuff on the hero when it is so much more fun to let the bad guys wild out as they do in other franchises...[/QUOTE]
Didn't Baron Macabre have some serious necromancy stuff going on from the Resurrection Altar. Always thought he'd have made a cool renewed villain against KotD.
Also, in terms of romance. Do a Zuri and bring back the Sun Goddess, lol.
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[QUOTE=JaggedFel;275429]Look I would have liked the Romance to work...but it failed so lets move on.[/QUOTE]
It didnt fail...it was sabotaged. Diffrnt things entirely!
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[QUOTE=XPac;274431][B]Considering Hudlin left T'Challa recovering from a coma dethroned and depowered, it probably won't be TOO hard for Hickman to leave him in a better place. [/B]
But I do believe some degree of character deconstruction will occur to some members of the Illuminati. I think they're building up a story where they're going to pay some sort of price for their actions. Really, when does an Illuminati story NOT end that way.
Beast and Reed will likely get off easy since they're really characters that Hickman is sort of borrowing. But I think the rest will likely have a tough time in the upcoming months. Though I'm sure they'll all recover from it good as new. Comic books characters are infinately resilient in that way.[/QUOTE]
We/SZ will as usual since Maberry remain very cautious....damn we/SZ miss McGregor, Priest, Hudlin & Liss.
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[QUOTE=MrHashasheen;276623]Didn't Baron Macabre have some serious necromancy stuff going on from the Resurrection Altar. Always thought he'd have made a cool renewed villain against KotD.
Also, in terms of romance. Do a Zuri and bring back the Sun Goddess, lol.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Baron Macabre could be used in some way with T'Challa now that he's King of the Dead. I don't think he's a good fit in any of the current New Avengers stuff, but maybe down the line if Black Panther were ever to get a solo book.
In the Naruto manga, but bad guys from time to time have resurrected former Hokages to fight the protagonists. Maybe someone doing that with previous Black Panthers against current ones might be kinda cool.
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[QUOTE=SilverZeal;276710]We/SZ will as usual since Maberry remain very cautious....damn we/SZ miss McGregor, Priest, Hudlin & Liss.[/QUOTE]
If you think about it, really almost all the BP writers put T'Challa through the ringer though. McGregor and Priest both ended up deconstructing the hell out of BP during their runs. And of course Hudlin doing it just prior to Maeberry taking over has already been discussed.
Really, the only one that didn't deconstruct T'Challa was Liss, and in large part that's because he essentially got the character pre-deconstructed.
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[QUOTE=XPac;277003]Yeah, Baron Macabre could be used in some way with T'Challa now that he's King of the Dead. I don't think he's a good fit in any of the current New Avengers stuff, but maybe down the line if Black Panther were ever to get a solo book.
In the Naruto manga, but bad guys from time to time have resurrected former Hokages to fight the protagonists. Maybe someone doing that with previous Black Panthers against current ones might be kinda cool.[/QUOTE]
I would like to know what the hell was up with the Resurrection Altar. Who came up with it? Who used it? How did they figure out how to use it? And yeah, the Orochimaru path of reincarnating deceased predecessors hold some weight in a Black Panther setting. Especially if you get Bashenga or T'Chaka vs. T'Challa. Actually, just in general there's a lot of mineable ideas out of Naruto (mostly Part 1/early Part 2) that could create new interesting villains, supporting cast or reinterpretations for characters in the Black Panther setting.
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Pop Quiz...
You will be graded on punctuation, spelling, canon and continuity!
1. Define in full detail the King of The Dead powers and how they benefit the user
2. Using miles per hour or kilometers per hour how fast is the Black Panther at top speed
3. How strong is the Black Panther by overhead press standards
4. The short range teleportation used by the Black Panther is manifested by what means or energy source
5. What combat style or martial arts does Black Panther favor over others and why
6. The ghosts of Black Panther past are they real souls, zombies or ancient mystic recordings upgraded to answer for current or recent events
7. What region of Wakanda does Necropolis reside in and does it have questionable national security concerns
8. Does Bast remain in the basement of Necropolis at all times to do question and answer sessions or does he come and go as he pleases
9. When Namor visits Wakanda for New Avengers meetings does he use the backdoor service elevator or drop out of the sky through unprotected Wakandan air space
10. Do Wakandan citizens acknowledge the concept of King of The Dead or pay it no mind and go about their own personal business
[url]http://blog.oup.com/2013/11/stan-lee-on-what-is-a-superhero/[/url]
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Would anyone be adverse to T'challa dating a Latin or spanish female hero?
I think it would make good marketing sense
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[QUOTE=Ekie;277438]Would anyone be adverse to T'challa dating a Latin or spanish female hero?
I think it would make good marketing sense[/QUOTE]
Nothing against it, but the biggest Latino superheroine is White Tiger/Ava Ayala, and she's either a teenager or a young adult. There's Echo/Maya Lopez whose older and has the assassin thing going on I guess but she's Daredevil sow grabbing her might be difficult. There's Aracely/Hummingbird, who goes into the same problem as White Tiger (and thinking on it I'd love for them to team up for a couple of issues somewhere).
All cool characters, not sure about suitability though.
Also, how would it make good marketing sense?
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I think he should date a Wakandan girl, he has only been shown with one (Only 4 women in total I think) even if its brief. I do think dating someone that is not Wakandan would probably be more interesting but him constantly getting with foreign women would be weird.
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;277418]Pop Quiz...
You will be graded on punctuation, spelling, canon and continuity!
1. Define in full detail the King of The Dead powers and how they benefit the user
2. Using miles per hour or kilometers per hour how fast is the Black Panther at top speed
3. How strong is the Black Panther by overhead press standards
4. The short range teleportation used by the Black Panther is manifested by what means or energy source
5. What combat style or martial arts does Black Panther favor over others and why
6. The ghosts of Black Panther past are they real souls, zombies or ancient mystic recordings upgraded to answer for current or recent events
7. What region of Wakanda does Necropolis reside in and does it have questionable national security concerns
8. Does Bast remain in the basement of Necropolis at all times to do question and answer sessions or does he come and go as he pleases
9. When Namor visits Wakanda for New Avengers meetings does he use the backdoor service elevator or drop out of the sky through unprotected Wakandan air space
10. Do Wakandan citizens acknowledge the concept of King of The Dead or pay it no mind and go about their own personal business
[url]http://blog.oup.com/2013/11/stan-lee-on-what-is-a-superhero/[/url][/QUOTE]
You're making it too complicated Flex, stop it! ;)
Black Panther... Significant Other/Love Interest... Rogues Gallery... Wakanda... Nostalgia... Period!
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MrHashasheen for the win... You get an A+ my friend you are now my best student thus far! :cool: