What would Black Swans motivation be now that her purpose is gone? Go back to being Dooms cheerleader? How usual. Maybe Or maybe Reed gave her wish to her and she's his cheerleader now.
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What would Black Swans motivation be now that her purpose is gone? Go back to being Dooms cheerleader? How usual. Maybe Or maybe Reed gave her wish to her and she's his cheerleader now.
[QUOTE=MouserGrey;1765900]What would Black Swans motivation be now that her purpose is gone? Go back to being Dooms cheerleader? How usual. Maybe Or maybe Reed gave her wish to her and she's his cheerleader now.[/QUOTE]
Maybe remaking the universe to something closer to her world? Maybe she thinks the 616 U is disgusting and she wants to destroy it?
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That is funny, and cool!
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Well, as far as Kings go, he sure is the best one. Vic runs Latveria well, but he can be cruel at times (which, sadly, are canon). Namor "allows" terrorist cells to attack the surface far too often, and Black Bolt, well, actually, Black Bolt is pretty chill. After T'Challa, I guess Blackagar is the best King as far as managing his people/ country well goes.
As for Black Swan, like most of Hickman's OCs, she showed great promise, but she was little more than "eye candy" and an exposition machine. I would certainly like to see her return though, she would make for an excellent antagonist/ reluctant ally.
[QUOTE=Darthkostis;1767418]Well, as far as Kings go, he sure is the best one. Vic runs Latveria well, but he can be cruel at times (which, sadly, are canon). Namor "allows" terrorist cells to attack the surface far too often, and Black Bolt, well, actually, Black Bolt is pretty chill. After T'Challa, I guess Blackagar is the best King as far as managing his people/ country well goes.
As for Black Swan, like most of Hickman's OCs, she showed great promise, but she was little more than "eye candy" and an exposition machine. I would certainly like to see her return though, she would make for an excellent antagonist/ reluctant ally.[/QUOTE]
I'd hardly describe T'Challa or Blakagar Boltagon as being good examples of Kings whilst being written by Hickman.
Blackagar detonated the Terrigen Bomb whilst battling Thanos. A detonation which unleshed the Terrigen Mists upon the entire planet whilst T'Challa's subterfuge and bad judgement hled to the utter decimation of Wakanda at the hands of Namor and the rest of the Cabal.
If anything, I'd say that Queen Medusa has so far, done an admirable job uniting Inhumans and Nuhumans whilst building diplomatic with regular humans.
Queen Shuri, did all in her power to protect her people as Queen of Wakanda and sh did this selflessly with her arms tied behind her back by her brothers well intentioned actions which amountede to nothing less than a total betrayal of Wakandan ideals.
A reset button does not redemption make.
[QUOTE=Darthkostis;1767418]Well, as far as Kings go, he sure is the best one. Vic runs Latveria well, but he can be cruel at times (which, sadly, are canon). Namor "allows" terrorist cells to attack the surface far too often, and Black Bolt, well, actually, Black Bolt is pretty chill. After T'Challa, I guess Blackagar is the best King as far as managing his people/ country well goes.
As for Black Swan, like most of Hickman's OCs, she showed great promise, but she was little more than "eye candy" and an exposition machine. I would certainly like to see her return though, she would make for an excellent antagonist/ reluctant ally.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I think it's fair to say T'Challa is the best king (movie issues aside).
Doom can be pretty good or pretty bad, depending on the writer.
Namors not bad... but I'm not sure any king has had their kingdom destroyed more times under their rule than Namor.
Black Bolt has been descent for most of his publication history, but he's done a ton of pretty questionable stuff in recent years (though I suppose you could say the same thing about T'Challa but most of the REALLY bad stuff technically happened when he wasn't king).
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1767439]I'd hardly describe T'Challa or Blakagar Boltagon as being good examples of Kings whilst being written by Hickman.
Blackagar detonated the Terrigen Bomb whilst battling Thanos. A detonation which unleshed the Terrigen Mists upon the entire planet whilst T'Challa's subterfuge and bad judgement hled to the utter decimation of Wakanda at the hands of Namor and the rest of the Cabal.
If anything, I'd say that Queen Medusa has so far, done an admirable job uniting Inhumans and Nuhumans whilst building diplomatic with regular humans.
Queen Shuri, did all in her power to protect her people as Queen of Wakanda and sh did this selflessly with her arms tied behind her back by her brothers well intentioned actions which amountede to nothing less than a total betrayal of Wakandan ideals.
A reset button does not redemption make.[/QUOTE]
I was talking about their Pre-Hickman days. I mean, the whole "Everything Dies" Saga was meant to showcase how insignificant even Kings are. But yeah, even as a big fan of Hickman's work (both Marvel and Indie related), I 100% agree that I didn't like all of his choices. I got why he made them, but they left me a tad sour.
Either way, as far as Kings in general go, I'd rank T'Challa and Blackagar pretty high. They've kept their people safe (well, as safe as you can be in comic book land), haven't messed with anyone and are, for the most part, pretty fair.
[QUOTE=XPac;1767440]Yeah, I think it's fair to say T'Challa is the best king (movie issues aside).
Doom can be pretty good or pretty bad, depending on the writer.
Namors not bad... but I'm not sure any king has had their kingdom destroyed more times under their rule than Namor.
Black Bolt has been descent for most of his publication history, but he's done a ton of pretty questionable stuff in recent years (though I suppose you could say the same thing about T'Challa but most of the REALLY bad stuff technically happened when he wasn't king).[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this. Also, I guess Magneto could be considered a "king" as well, since he did govern successfully, at least for a while.
[QUOTE=Darthkostis;1767445]I was talking about their Pre-Hickman days. I mean, the whole "Everything Dies" Saga was meant to showcase how insignificant even Kings are. But yeah, even as a big fan of Hickman's work (both Marvel and Indie related), I 100% agree that I didn't like all of his choices. I got why he made them, but they left me a tad sour.
Either way, as far as Kings in general go, I'd rank T'Challa and Blackagar pretty high. They've kept their people safe (well, as safe as you can be in comic book land), haven't messed with anyone and are, for the most part, pretty fair.[/QUOTE]
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Pre-Hickman, I agree with you 100%.[/SIZE]
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Pre-Hickman, I agree with you 100%.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Only question is, if Coates can bring back that version. Just a couple months now and both BP & MK are gonna have their sweet, shiny new solos!
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Lol this is funny. I like the slight jab at Namor.
[QUOTE=nj06;1767504]Lol this is funny. I like the slight jab at Namor.[/QUOTE]
The reality is that I think a bit of a heirarchy is developing in the MU... those characters WITH movies and those characters without.
Which isn't to say there's anything necessarily bad or wrong with characters who don't have their own movie... but narratively and commercially movie franchises are understandably taking center stage.
[QUOTE=Darthkostis;1767473]Only question is, if Coates can bring back that version. Just a couple months now and both BP & MK are gonna have their sweet, shiny new solos![/QUOTE]
Definitely looking forward to new Moon knight material.
As for Coates on a new Black Panther book, my engagement will be solely dependent on Shuri's fate post SW.
If she's dead or in any other way incapacitated within Coates book, I won't be touching it with a barge pole.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1767514]Definitely looking forward to new Moon knight material.
As for Coates on a new Black Panther book, my engagement will be solely dependent on Shuri's fate post SW.
If she's dead or in any other way incapacitated within Coates book, I won't be touching it with a barge pole.[/QUOTE]
Well, personally, even if it's bad I'll keep pulling it because of my collector/ completionist mentality (I'm already doing it with Dr. Strange and I hate that book). But, honestly, I'm feeling pretty optimistic about Coates. I haven't read anything of his, but he is an accomplished writer, and that counts in my book. I'm intrigued, to say the least.
PS: Now if we could get a satellite book with Shuri, a couple Wakandans and some Team-Ups, I'd be over the moon. Kinda like Superior Spider-Man Team-Up (which was better than the main book IMO) and Avenging Spider-Man to bring up some recent examples.
[QUOTE=Darthkostis;1767524]Well, personally, even if it's bad I'll keep pulling it because of my collector/ completionist mentality (I'm already doing it with Dr. Strange and I hate that book). But, honestly, I'm feeling pretty optimistic about Coates. I haven't read anything of his, but he is an accomplished writer, and that counts in my book. I'm intrigued, to say the least.
PS: Now if we could get a satellite book with Shuri, a couple Wakandans and some Team-Ups, I'd be over the moon. Kinda like Superior Spider-Man Team-Up (which was better than the main book IMO) and Avenging Spider-Man to bring up some recent examples.[/QUOTE]
In light of the multiple Spidey and Captain America books scheduled for release in the near future, there's actually solid justification for two Black Panther books which would create an opportunity for Shuri and T'Challa to appear in two seperate books thus, broadening the BP mythos.
I would've loved to read a Shuri book written by David Liss.
[QUOTE=Darthkostis;1767524]Well, personally, even if it's bad I'll keep pulling it because of my collector/ completionist mentality (I'm already doing it with Dr. Strange and I hate that book). But, honestly, I'm feeling pretty optimistic about Coates. I haven't read anything of his, but he is an accomplished writer, and that counts in my book. I'm intrigued, to say the least.
[B]PS: Now if we could get a satellite book with Shuri, a couple Wakandans and some Team-Ups,[/B] I'd be over the moon. Kinda like Superior Spider-Man Team-Up (which was better than the main book IMO) and Avenging Spider-Man to bring up some recent examples.[/QUOTE]
Would def get behind the bold.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1767538]I would've loved to read a Shuri book written by David Liss.[/QUOTE]
Good choice of author. Liss' Shuri was actually pretty good. Not to mention Liss' writing was on point, despite the weird premise.
[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1767544]Good choice of author. Liss' Shuri was actually pretty good. Not to mention Liss' writing was on point, despite the weird premise.[/QUOTE]
Add to that the fact that David Liss actually want's to write a BP book.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1767439]I'd hardly describe T'Challa or Blakagar Boltagon as being good examples of Kings whilst being written by Hickman.
Blackagar detonated the Terrigen Bomb whilst battling Thanos. A detonation which unleshed the Terrigen Mists upon the entire planet whilst T'Challa's subterfuge and bad judgement hled to the utter decimation of Wakanda at the hands of Namor and the rest of the Cabal.
If anything, I'd say that Queen Medusa has so far, done an admirable job uniting Inhumans and Nuhumans whilst building diplomatic with regular humans.
Queen Shuri, did all in her power to protect her people as Queen of Wakanda and sh did this selflessly with her arms tied behind her back by her brothers well intentioned actions which amountede to nothing less than a total betrayal of Wakandan ideals.
A reset button does not redemption make.[/QUOTE]
Blackagar acted as a king in my opinion he acted to make sure that his people would live on even if he didnt.
I think T'Challa is a good king as well he puts his country more often above everything else.
I agree Shuri and Medusa are great rulers as well.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1767550]Add to that the fact that David Liss actually want's to write a BP book.[/QUOTE]
Now would be as good as a time to have more books centered around BP characters.
T'Challa is about to have a solo run in two months, be featured in a major MCU film in three months, and will have his MCU film in almost less than two years. If not now (or soon) then when?
[QUOTE=Darthkostis;1767524]Well, personally, even if it's bad I'll keep pulling it because of my collector/ completionist mentality (I'm already doing it with Dr. Strange and I hate that book). But, honestly, I'm feeling pretty optimistic about Coates. I haven't read anything of his, but he is an accomplished writer, and that counts in my book. I'm intrigued, to say the least.
PS: Now if we could get a satellite book with Shuri, a couple Wakandans and some Team-Ups, I'd be over the moon. Kinda like Superior Spider-Man Team-Up (which was better than the main book IMO) and Avenging Spider-Man to bring up some recent examples.[/QUOTE]
One thing is really dependent on the other.
If Coatess solo BP book can generate strong sales I'm sure marvel would be all to happy to put out another BP book. T'Challa's not exactly Spider-Man so I'm not sure we can exactly expect it... but there's a nice buzz around Coatess getting the book so ya never know. Between a high profile celebrity writer on the solo book and a movie coming out with a high profile director, maybe we can get multiple Black Panther books.
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That's a little too Bat Man looking for my tastes.
But it's still cool.
[QUOTE=MadFacedKid;1767592]Blackagar acted as a king in my opinion he acted to make sure that his people would live on even if he didnt.
I think T'Challa is a good king as well he puts his country more often above everything else.
I agree Shuri and Medusa are great rulers as well.[/QUOTE]
I'll actually revise my position and actually agree with you on the subject of Black Bolt being a good King.
He at least had the decency to ensure that all Inhuman's had been evacuated from Attilan before Thanos returned to claim his tribute.
Also detonating the Terrigen Bomb actually resulted in an increase in the Inhuman population via the creation of Nuhumans.
Contrasting this development against T'Challa's performance, it's pretty clear to me that T'Challa's tactical errors and outright decision to keep his sister in the dark about everything from the Incursions to Namor's presence within Wakanda's borders, directly led to the genocide tha Namor and the rest of the Cabal perpetuated against the Wakandan people.
The fact that T'Challa got to utilise the copout of a selective reset button at the close of SW, does not absolve him of any of the tratorious crap he pulled leading up to Wakanda's death at the hands of the Cabal.
Welcome to the thread BTW.
[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1767598]Now would be as good as a time to have more books centered around BP characters.
T'Challa is about to have a solo run in two months, be featured in a major MCU film in three months, and will have his MCU film in almost less than two years. If not now (or soon) then when?[/QUOTE]
The ball is in Marvel's court.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1767660]I'll actually revise my position and actually agree with you on the subject of Black Bolt being a good King.
He at least had the decency to ensure that all Inhuman's had been evacuated from Attilan before Thanos returned to claim his tribute.
Also detonating the Terrigen Bomb actually resulted in an increase in the Inhuman population via the creation of Nuhumans.
Contrasting this development against T'Challa's performance, it's pretty clear to me that T'Challa's tactical errors and outright decision to keep his sister in the dark about everything from the Incursions to Namor's presence within Wakanda's borders, directly led to the genocide tha Namor and the rest of the Cabal perpetuated against the Wakandan people.
The fact that T'Challa got to utilise the copout of a selective reset button at the close of SW, does not absolve him of any of the tratorious crap he pulled leading up to Wakanda's death at the hands of the Cabal.
Welcome to the thread BTW.[/QUOTE]
I would of brought up the time gem but you beat that out of discussion it shows that he'd change history to get his nation back that should count for something.
Thank you by the way.
[QUOTE=MadFacedKid;1767818]I would of brought up the time gem but you beat that out of discussion it shows that he'd change history to get his nation back that should count for something. [/QUOTE]
I think T'Challa may have used the time and reality gems in conjunction, to arrive at an altered reality where he's King of Wakanda as opposed to his sister Shuri, who was Wakanda's reigning Monarch pre-Incursion.
Bringing Wakanda back was definitely a good move but to be frank, using the gems to place himself back on Wakanda's throne is something of a somewhat dickish move. (If that is what's actually taken place.)
[QUOTE=MadFacedKid;1767818]Thank you by the way.[/QUOTE]
You're most welcome. :)
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If Coats is going to keep his focus strictly in Wakanda then I want some world building and not just a story.
stuff like a Wakandan training ground akin to something like what the X-men have with the danger room (maybe re-purpose the Necropolis for it).
Something that is connected with the city that can be used in other media
Some more stuff from Hasbro. He's now officially got role play gear like Cap and Iron Man.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;1767888]If Coats is going to keep his focus strictly in Wakanda then I want some world building and not just a story.
stuff like a Wakandan training ground akin to something like what the X-men have with the danger room (maybe re-purpose the Necropolis for it).
Something that is connected with the city that can be used in other media[/QUOTE]
I'm hoping he actually had T'Challa use the Techno Jungle for something. It was supposed to be a big deal but it's never shown or used. Ideally it should be like his Bat Cave. T'Challa needs signature "stuff." Stuff that can show up in the comics and ideally later in the cartoons and movie. But BP writers never really do a good job of branding his stuff. Hopefully Coates and Ewing can turn that corner.
[QUOTE=XPac;1767928]I'm hoping he actually had T'Challa use the Techno Jungle for something. It was supposed to be a big deal but it's never shown or used. Ideally it should be like his Bat Cave. T'Challa needs signature "stuff." Stuff that can show up in the comics and ideally later in the cartoons and movie. But BP writers never really do a good job of branding his stuff. Hopefully Coates and Ewing can turn that corner.[/QUOTE]
Yea or the Tech Jungle. The signature stuff is my concern where it comes to having a writer outside of the medium step in. They usually aren't as concerned with branding as opposed to straight story telling.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1767874]I think T'Challa may have used the time and reality gems in conjunction, to arrive at an altered reality where he's King of Wakanda as opposed to his sister Shuri, who was Wakanda's reigning Monarch pre-Incursion.
Bringing Wakanda back was definitely a good move but to be frank, using the gems to place himself back on Wakanda's throne is something of a somewhat dickish move. (If that is what's actually taken place.)[/QUOTE]
In that scenario, how much control does he have concerning what the gem does, outside of returning to a specific timeline? Does he specifically chose what reality comes back and so on? I don't remember that being touch on in the story.
Some more images.
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i hope the golden panther armor does'nt appear anywhere else..........
[QUOTE=dzub;1768096]i hope the golden panther armor does'nt appear anywhere else..........[/QUOTE]
TBH, it looks more like a deformed lion than it does a panther. But it's the 2-3.75" stuff, so obviously they're going to be less than stellar. The only figure that's worth to have IMO as a toy collector is the Hot Toys one, but that'll cost you around 300 Euros give or take. You can always Flex it when it goes up for PO, but even without it, you'll have a pretty wide window, seeing as it'll be released around 2017 (considering that we haven't even seen a prototype yet).
Wow, can't believe this is real.
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[QUOTE=Bunai;1768167]Wow, can't believe this is real.
[URL="http://www.amazon.com/Classyak-Panther-America-Leather-4X-Large/dp/B01AZ4V9J6/"] Classyak Men's Black Panther Civil America Cow Leather War Jacket [/URL]
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*Looks at price*
Yeesh, I've bought an Armani shirt and vest for less... Still, it is cool and since black is always "in", you won't look like a cosplayer. The cut is nice and the leather seems good enough, while the silver adds a nice touch.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1767874]I think T'Challa may have used the time and reality gems in conjunction, to arrive at an altered reality where he's King of Wakanda as opposed to his sister Shuri, who was Wakanda's reigning Monarch pre-Incursion.
Bringing Wakanda back was definitely a good move but to be frank, using the gems to place himself back on Wakanda's throne is something of a somewhat dickish move. (If that is what's actually taken place.)
You're most welcome. :)[/QUOTE]
Hey Maj, have you finished up your thoughts on what I wrote about Shuri?