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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3690299]This wasn't a small-scale operation. These people were grabbing women right and left, and had physical strongholds. They weren't even working all that covertly... rather than existing as part of some sort of underground, they literally did their business OVER the ground, in easy to spot treehouse camps. In a country roughly the size of New Jersey. But somehow, nobody noticed...
(And it's even worse in WoW. There's an entire page just rattling off the crimes going on that Wakandan law enforcement can't handle... because T'Challa is "distracted".
Funny, I didn't think the Wakandans were so helpless they needed the king to tell them how to do their jobs. I suppose we should consider ourselves lucky that they can walk and breathe at the same time….)[/QUOTE]
Large scale criminal operations exist. Kingpin has been operating for years in New York, and he-s probably a 1p minute drive from the Avengers and FF headquarters.
But in the general sense in comics yeah ... government and law enforcement kinda sick at dealing with criminal activity. That's why we needs super heroes. It's fairly the birm to show that in comics governments at best are incompetent, and corrupt at worst. Basically yes ... the MU need super heroes to tell government how to do it's job.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3690359][B] Difference is after secret empire, us didn't have this whole rape trafficking, overthrow the government, drug ring terrorists attack going on while the heroes mope about how they failed.. Moore business as usual citizens have their Faith restored in heroes.. Nevada has been destroyed? Eh we won't talk about that[/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's how it is. Stanford was a big deal. But Vegas wasn't. Like I said, it's up to the individual writers. It's a big deal if thet8wa t to make it one. Because most MU writers wanted to move on after it, which is their option.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3690413]Large scale criminal operations exist. Kingpin has been operating for years in New York, and he-s probably a 1p minute drive from the Avengers and FF headquarters.
But in the general sense in comics yeah ... government and law enforcement kinda sick at dealing with criminal activity. That's why we needs super heroes. It's fairly the birm to show that in comics governments at best are incompetent, and corrupt at worst. Basically yes ... the MU need super heroes to tell government how to do it's job.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]T'Challa would not allow a Kingpin type character to exist in Wakanda.
The point that no one else in Wakanda could deal with the rape camps besides the Doras makes everyone else look incompetent.
The story was written in a specific way to highlight the Doras while throwing every other Wakandan under the bus.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3690257]You know...
I can't be the only person who finds the justification for the whole "rape camp" situation to be somewhat disingenuous at best, and almost racist at worst.
After all, how many times has Atlantis, Latveria, or Attilan been demolished by an Event™, but nobody expected them to suddenly descend into anarchy and depravity.
Hell, HYDRA just conquered the entire US, but somehow, they managed to recover without having to shut down warlord strongholds in Nebraska.
But Wakanda gets a couple of invasions, seemingly recovers enough to not only fund a space program but also bankroll Alpha Flight... but the population just can't help but devolve into lawlessness... it's only "logical".
Why is it "logical" for Wakanda, but everyone else gets a free pass to hit the Big Red Reset Button™?[/QUOTE]
Well considering the fact that I'm one of the posters who'se been calling out the "rape camps" and overall malicious stupidity of Coates take on the BP Mythos, you're definitely not alone.
The argument that Wakanda descended into anarchy and moral decrepitude after a few disasters, was always ridiculous at best and disingenuous to the extreme.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3690413]But in the general sense in comics yeah ... government and law enforcement kinda sick at dealing with criminal activity. That's why we needs super heroes. It's fairly the birm to show that in comics governments at best are incompetent, and corrupt at worst. Basically yes ... the MU need super heroes to tell government how to do it's job.[/QUOTE]
Which falls apart completely when the superhero IS the government. Because then, HE is at best "incompetent, and corrupt at worst". Which is the bloody problem. The last two storylines basically boil down to "T'Challa sucks at his job".
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3690411]Which is also why one of the most advanced cultures on 616!Earth could not defeat an X-Villain who, in his last appearance, was trapped by metal walls and held off by freaking BOOM-BOOM. Unless, of course, they prayed to their monarch's ex. :D[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Well, we've had Stane and now The Adversary. I expect to see Blastaar next.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3690411]Which is also why one of the most advanced cultures on 616!Earth could not defeat an X-Villain who, in his last appearance, was trapped by metal walls and held off by freaking BOOM-BOOM. Unless, of course, they prayed to their monarch's ex. :D[/QUOTE]
Wakanda beats Adversary, so it's clear they can. Adversary does end up losing.
Obviously some take issue with T'Challa getting help from his girlfriend to do it, but it made enough sense to me.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3690424]Which falls apart completely when the superhero IS the government. Because then, HE is at best "incompetent, and corrupt at worst". [COLOR="#000080"]Which is the bloody problem. The last two storylines basically boil down to "T'Challa sucks at his job"[/COLOR].[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Well T'Challa isn't the gov't anymore.
Shouldn't the newly formed Wakandan gov't be dealing with these threats?
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this run is missing some good antagonists I will say that.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3690316]BINGO!
Spinn all the justifications and excuses you want. EVERYTHING happens because the great and wonderful Ta-Nehesi Coates, darling of the academic set, WANTS it to happen. Whether it makes sense or not, because things like coherent plots and consistent characterization mean SQUAT when there's a Message™ to deliver.
And NOTHING I've seen makes me think that TNC won't continue with his heavy-handed and pretentious preaching. Hell, I was recently informed that not only was the first issue of the new run named after a James Baldwin essay, but one of the longest pieces of dialogue that wasn't cliched bad-guy speech, infodumps, or "Come back to me" was actually a paraphrase of Dr. Khalid Abdul Muhammed (by way of Public Enemy):
"Have you forgotten that once we were brought here, we were robbed of our names, robbed of our language. We lost our religion, our culture, our God; and many of us, by the way we act, we even lost our minds!"
[img]https://i.imgur.com/ntFD851.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
And some choose to praise this supremely lazy level of writing?
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[QUOTE=XPac;3690432]Wakanda beats Adversary, so it's clear they can. Adversary does end up losing.
Obviously some take issue with T'Challa getting help from his girlfriend to do it, but it made enough sense to me.[/QUOTE]
[B]Your simply dancing around arguments and throwing out weak and vague counter arguments. You still never answered BoG or Nate grey. About why it is logical for Wakanda but not everywhere else.
Or how Wakanda is the new jobber place for z list Villains to prove how dangerous they Are and how Wakanda needs a ton of outside help to save them from these weak ass villains
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[QUOTE=Jabare;3690439]this run is missing some good antagonists I will say that.[/QUOTE]
This run?
The entire book has been missing a competent writer from day one.
Where've you been? Lol!
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3690455][B]Your simply dancing around arguments and throwing out weak and vague counter arguments. You still never answered BoG or Nate grey. About why it is logical for Wakanda but not everywhere else.
Or how Wakanda is the new jobber place for z list Villains to prove how dangerous they Are and how Wakanda needs a ton of outside help to save them from these weak ass villains
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Bro, quit beating your head against a brick wall.
It's really not worth it in the long run. Lol!
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3690455][B]Your simply dancing around arguments and throwing out weak and vague counter arguments. You still never answered BoG or Nate grey. About why it is logical for Wakanda but not everywhere else.
Or how Wakanda is the new jobber place for z list Villains to prove how dangerous they Are and how Wakanda needs a ton of outside help to save them from these weak ass villains
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[COLOR="#000080"]That was the issue with the Adversary. He's powerful enough but it didn't take bringing in all the outside help to beat him especially since BP took down Mephisto.
I don't even have an issue with Storm being there since they are connected. But having T'Challa doing very little in his own comic is stupid.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Jabare;3690439]this run is missing some good antagonists I will say that.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]I'd say a good comicbook writer is missing.[/COLOR]