Dark days ahead. Coates is leaving "The Atlantic". Hopefully not for more time to write comics. Lol
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Dark days ahead. Coates is leaving "The Atlantic". Hopefully not for more time to write comics. Lol
[QUOTE=XPac;3805494]And that's why I would argue it's very reasonable to assume Hunter poisoned him. It's not something which can be proven on panel, so it's little more than just speculation. But he was acting kinda shady.
On the flip side though, if Spider man is the only person outside Tchallas family not poisoned, it's not great proof that it is poisonous since Peter has a degree of resistance to it.
This may just fall on the next guy to clear up, because that whole Spider-Man thing just sort of muddied the water.[/QUOTE]
[B]Well again it doesn't matter because Hudlin has storm take it in his run and she is fine. Most people who take it are fine. It doesn't matter what happened to kilmonger in Priest run because Hudlins changes the properties of the HSH regardless. Just like the Dora's thing Being addressed by Hudlin, but some people choose to ignore it[/B]
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3805530][B]Well again it doesn't matter because Hudlin has storm take it in his run and she is fine. Most people who take it are fine. It doesn't matter what happened to kilmonger in Priest run because Hudlins changes the properties of the HSH regardless. Just like the Dora's thing Being addressed by Hudlin, but some people choose to ignore it[/B][/QUOTE]
Post a scan where we see Storm consuming the herb, because I don't recall that.
And if you can post a scan stating that Hudlin reconing the ages of Nakia and the Okoye, I'm withdraw my complaint there too.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3805487]You also have to remember that the only person who said the herb was poisonous outside the royal line was Killmonger... and unreliable narrator who has had various enhancements done to him via outside means no one knows about.
Kinda like what Samuels said to Blonsky in Incredible Hulk, "I don't know how much you got inside you already"
T'challa, in the same run, didn't say it was poisonous. And let Kasper try to get access to it... in the same run.
It is murky, but throughout the history of the HSH, circumstantial evidence around whether the herb is truly poisonous outside the royal line leans towards it being not poisonous.
It is all speculation. Last time the herb was given to a non royal line, spider-man, he was good. Which would make the mos trecent canon say its not. It is also speculation that Parker would have an immunity to an herb only found in one place in the world. T'challa didn't seem too worried about it.[/QUOTE]
Also, wouldn't Peter's spider-sense have alerted him that he was about to consume something lethal?
[QUOTE=XPac;3805560]Post a scan where we see Storm consuming the herb, because I don't recall that.[/QUOTE]
There's no on-screen evidence of Ororo taking the HSH, but somehow, during the wedding, she was transported to the spirit realm. As the only known way to do that is via the Herb, it seems a valid assumption.
We might also remember Kasper, who somehow took a supposedly "buffered" synthetic version of the HSH, which somehow still looked perfectly natural.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3805631]There's no on-screen evidence of Ororo taking the HSH, but somehow, during the wedding, she was transported to the spirit realm. As the only known way to do that is via the Herb, it seems a valid assumption.
We might also remember Kasper, who somehow took a supposedly "buffered" synthetic version of the HSH, which somehow still looked perfectly natural.[/QUOTE]
One does not need to consume the HSH to transport to the Spirit Realm. Storm traveled there during World's Apart without having consumed the HSH.
1. Ororo never on panel took the herb. However, S'yan said she should become the Black Panther, obviously implying she would have to take the herb. So, either S'yan saw his chance to get rid of storm after harboring a deep seeded hatred for years... or he didn't believe it would be poisonous
2. Ororo went to the spirit realm twice... wedding and worlds apart
3. Priest straight up botched the end of his run lol.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3805631]There's no on-screen evidence of Ororo taking the HSH, but somehow, during the wedding, she was transported to the spirit realm. As the only known way to do that is via the Herb, it seems a valid assumption.
We might also remember Kasper, who somehow took a supposedly "buffered" synthetic version of the HSH, which somehow still looked perfectly natural.[/QUOTE]
Doom met with Bast in Doomwar without taking the herb, so it's not the ONLY way.
But yes, it's a possible assumption. Just like it's possible to assume Kilmonger poisoned Erik, or it's possible to assume Spidermsns resistance to poison may have protected him when Tchalla gave him the herb ... for reasons.
Point being it's muddy. I don't think you can flat out state anything was decisively retconned. You can agree with one I terpretation or another, but that's different that saying Priests book isn't canon. It's canon until something flat out states it's not canon.
And the synthetic version of the herb is a whole other level of weirdness. If Tchallas can lose his power from the real herb without the BP mantle, but someone with the synthetic version keeps it no matter what, then isn't the synthetic version way better? It makes no sense frankly.
Which is why the simplest solution is that Killmonger lied to Kasper. He wanted Cole to believe that the herb he took was synthetic to gain leverage over him.
[COLOR="#000080"]Just for clarification.
Although it's no longer needed, you would ingest the HSH to become Black Panther, not ruler of Wakanda.
If M'Baku defeats T'Challa, he would rule Wakanda but he does not need to eat the HSH because he is not a worshipper of Bast[/COLOR]
Depends on the run, actually. In the Priest era, they were different titles. Hudlin viewed them as linked, and Coates vacillated, depending on the context.
[B]Yes I was mistaking, I thought they showed that storm actively took the Herb. However, as MoS said, it was offered to her when T'Challa was in a coma and I HIGHLY doubt S'yan would of tried to Kill her in that moment. And Even Priests has conflicting results of the Herb. Frankly it's safer to say it's not poisonous.[/B]
In between covering McGregor's Panther's Rage and Kirby's Black Panther Vol. 1, there is a gap that I didn't cover, so I thought I would double back and finish it up with the Black Panther vs. the Klan storyline since people seem to enjoy my thoughts.
As a way of background for this story, McGregory had always intended to do Panther's Quest after his original story. However, he simply ran out of the time needed to properly research the complexities of Apartheid South Africa. So he turned to something he knew a little more about - the American south.
Jungle Action Vol. 2 #19 - [i]Blood and Sacrifices[/i]
[img]https://www.use.com/images/s_2/3d6c9050906f2d6eb452_1.jpg[/img]
Right away, you can tell the plan is to have another epic mutli-part story with its own title: "The Panther vs. The Klan." Interestingly enough, the Klan is spelled correctly on the interior, but incorrectly on the cover. I wonder if that was Marvel's concession to not piss people off. Also, the story opens with hooded figures who are not the Klan. They have circles on their chests, exposed faces, and the lead is even black. Regardless of who they are, though, they're sneaking up to Monica Lynne with knives in their hands. Monica seemingly doesn't notice them because she's mourning at the grave of her sister. T'Challa leaps into action and saves the day. Even Monica joins in, demonstrating she's learned some fighting skills from the King of Wakanda. One of them gets thrown into the car of Kevin Trublood who gets out and joins the fight against these dudes (and nearly breaks his own hand). Trublood is a reporter for the Georgia Sun. He's investigating the murder of Monica's sister. She had discovered some kind of corruption involving the Klan.
Trublood brings everyone downtown and T'Challa drops the attackers (member of the Dragon's Circle) off at the Sheriff. There's a moment where it seems the Sheriff is going to believe the local boys over the outsiders, but we get the sense he believes in doing his job and he holds them in custody. We also see that McGregor, at least, thinks that the T in T'Challa is silent and makes it a point to tell us. That, obviously, did not stick.
The next few pages are spent with Monica's family. There's a sense of tradition here. That the story is exploring old times that are changing as much as anything else. Monica's mother is cooking all day, her father is playing solitare. They are interrupted as both the Dragon's Circle and the Ku Klux Klan both decide to throw molotov cocktails at the Lynne residence - unaware of the other's activities. T'Challa jumps through a window, catches the bottle, and throws it back at them.
The story has some beautiful purple prose. Obviously, McGregor can be unnecessarily flowery and wordy, but I think it enhances the story rather than bogs it down here. It adds to the sense of it being a humid southern summer that adds character to the story. Aside from that, the story consists of two action scenes and a lot of questions. But as far as a starting place, it's a pretty good one.
[video=youtube;VL88ZbCFmWs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL88ZbCFmWs[/video]
[QUOTE=Holt;3806067][video=youtube;VL88ZbCFmWs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL88ZbCFmWs[/video][/QUOTE]
Gave him an energy dagger. Lol
[URL="https://www.newsarama.com/41033-sdcc-2018-marvel-animation-presents.html"]Coverage of the Marvel Animation panel:
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[QUOTE]We are seeing an extended clip from Black Panther's cartoon
Captain America, Black Widow, and Iron Man team up with Black Panther
Thor and Captain Marvel also makes an appearance where they are fighting outside
Ms. Marvel is there with her embiggened hands
Having Black Panther's sister helps flesh out the character
They have each other's backs
We are seeing a clip of the siblings
They are teaming up as they fight Tiger Shark
Shuri is in the battlefield while Black Panther is behind the computers
The clip has ended
We will learn a lot about the history of Wakanda this season
The show has a James Bond feel - with lots of gadgets
The Shadow Council will be the villain for this season for Black Panther
Zemo, Madam Mask, Tiger Shark will be villains
Scott Porter will play White Wolf
Trevor Devall will play Claw
Mark Hamill and Stan Lee will be together in the show
An Avenger dies this season
[B]September 23rd will be the launch of Panther Quest![/B][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Nice.
Sept 23rd can't get here soon enough.[/COLOR]
[URL="https://www.cbr.com/sdcc-2018-marvel-animation-panel/"]CBR is a little more in-depth:[/URL]
[QUOTE]We saw T’Challa almost exclusively with the Avengers,” Mathis shared. He explained that the addition of Shuri will give T’Challa a new dynamic to play off of.
“He is extremely frustrating some times,” Lightfoot said. “He is the king, but she brings him down to size times… you see the value she has to him as a man and as a king.”
Another clip showed this dynamic in action, as Tiger Shark pursued Shuri. Though Shuri wanted to fight back, T’Challa told her to stand down and developed a plan with her. The two bantered together until they trapped Tiger Shark.
“This season, an old foe… returned and actually infiltrated Wakanda,” Wilcox explained. He added that Black Panther will have to take some actions that the Avengers may not necessarily agree with. “We’ll see a lot of what goes on inside Wakanda… in fact, we dedicate an entire episode of previous Black Panthers.”
The Shadow Council will appear in the series, which will feature villains Killmonger (Keston John), M’Baku, Klau (Trevor Paul), Zemo, Madame Mask (Wynn Everett) and Tiger Shark (Matt Mercer). Scott Porter will play White Wolf. Stan Lee and Mark Hamill will also lend their voices to the show, though their characters were not revealed.
Asked if M’Baku will appear in Black Panther’s Quest, Wilcox said, “Yes, he will be a villain — for this season.” He emphasized the last part, hinting that could change.
Another fan wanted to know if Black Panther could meet Storm. “Not yet!” Lane answered with a laugh.
Robbie Daymond’s Spider-Man will appear on Avengers: Black Panther’s Quest this season.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=XPac;3805414]Again though, BP got over 200 mill. That's more than almost any other solo marvel movie. So the money was there... which is why it's odd the cgi were so-so. It might have just been a rush job more than anything else.[/QUOTE]
Yea I really want to know who was the Line Producer on this film. From what I recall its not like the actors were paid a tremendous amount of $ either. I still think the problem was that the short shoot did the movie no favors either. Seemed like that final battle needed more time.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3805374][B]Two things. One it was a "Small" affair because it was a family affair. All of Wakanda had not descended into a civil war. It came down literally to cousin vs cousin, and husband vs wife with family and friends choosing sides in between. This wasn't half of Wakanda vs the other half.
Also even if it had an epic ending (it did the ending was very smooth an crisp with a powerful message) haters find something to hate one regardless. Haters have double standards, contradict themselves constantly, and try to downplay the significance of BP. Nothing would of changed that. Infact what the movie has accomplished has proven the haters wrong as it blew away all expectations [/B][/QUOTE]
I think the message and importance was there, but not the execution. Characters were getting knocked around left and right and it was looking like PS3 cutscenes. The T'Challa/Killmonger fight should have had the same craft to it as the emotion. Imagine if we watched a great cgi/fight and then got the emotion that followed.
[QUOTE=XPac;3805414]Again though, BP got over 200 mill. That's more than almost any other solo marvel movie. So the money was there... which is why it's odd the cgi were so-so. It might have just been a rush job more than anything else.[/QUOTE]
Still having a hard time believing the budget to be 200 mil.
[QUOTE=Frontier;3806316][URL="https://www.newsarama.com/41033-sdcc-2018-marvel-animation-presents.html"]Coverage of the Marvel Animation panel:
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[img]https://i.imgur.com/fXCUz27.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Dboi654;3805319]I do kind of agree with the criticism that they only showed one street of people walking in the Golden City. I actually wanted to see some other ways of how Wakadan's lived i.e Mode of transportation (Like what we saw in the Ms Marvel comic where Bruno goes to Wakanda), schools, healthcare etc. but I wasn't kind of bothered with that as this was the first movie and Coogler probably didn't want to put everything out in the first movie and also for budgetary reasons.
With the already existing runtime, the scene where T'Challa visits all parts of Wakanda may have made the movie slower so I get why Marvel didn't want to go on that that route.
[B]Just hope Marvel/Feige don't get too comfortable with the franchise.
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[B]Who knows? Maybe we could get a Dark Knight situation here.
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That is key. Do they think 1.3 billion + awards consideration = do the same thing again or continue to push the envelope?
The thing about The Dark Knight is it sort of moved past what worked before it. Everything felt different in terms of style, tone....even Gotham.
You could throw Logan into it as well. James Mangold's style seemed way different from The Wolverine to Logan.
So hopefully Ryan gets that kind of opportunity and progression.
Looking at the concept art you can see the Creed level of grittiness they can possibly go with this.
[img]http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/black-panther-concept-art-vance-kovacs-02-680x424.jpg[/img]
[img]http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/black-panther-concept-art-vance-kovacs-06-Fight-on-the-Falls-680x795.jpg[/img]
[img]http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Black-Panther-Concept-Art-Design-Marvel-Studios-Raj-Rihal-07.jpg[/img]
So Killmonger will be an ambassador of Atlantis? Interesting
[url]https://www.newsarama.com/41033-sdcc-2018-marvel-animation-presents.html[/url]
A whole episode about past Black Panthers sounds amazing.
[QUOTE=Dboi654;3806410]So Killmonger will be an ambassador to Atlantis? Interesting
[url]https://www.newsarama.com/41033-sdcc-2018-marvel-animation-presents.html[/url][/QUOTE]
That's kind of random. I guess that means he's part of the Wakandan government this time around before he turns full-on Killmonger?
Are they going to ignore Namor again :p?
[QUOTE=Dboi654;3806398]Still having a hard time believing the budget to be 200 mil.[/QUOTE]
Maybe all those costumes ate up a lot of cash. Maybe Coogler wanted to ensure a lot of behind the scenes people got paid well.
You watch that Godzilla trailer, you watch that Aquaman trailer (again not talking overall quality of film) you can say ok I see where the $$ went.
I'll also mention Beachler. I'm torn because on one hand it does look like she did oscar level production design work, but then again there are times it seems like the production design could have been better. The railroad production design looks like it could have been better.
The Throne Room....I go back and forth whether I like it or not. Some of it looks really generic, but then again that could be the cinematography for it. Idk. There should have been a more epic feeling about the Throne Room especially when Killmonger entered it the first time.
She crushed the casino and waterfall stuff though.
Big Marvel sale on Comixology. Up to 67% off.
[QUOTE=Dboi654;3806398]Still having a hard time believing the budget to be 200 mil.[/QUOTE]
99% of Wakanda was CGI. Throne room, everything
Those costumes and make up weren't cheap. forrest, angela, lupita, mjb, chadwick, serkis, michonne, wkabi dude are all known actors aka aren't as cheap as say Winston and Letitta
talon fighters, rhinos, trains, tchallas suit, killmongers suit, klaues arm
I don't think people realize how much CGI is involved in a movie like this. CGI + making Wakanda feel "real" and not like a video game clean cut feel you get with a lot of advanced/futuristic places.
And, also, let's not overreact because Atlantis look pretty (and also like a video game) in a 3 minute trailer. I guarantee some of those animals, structures, and such is gonna look a bit wonky with the massive CGI scale they have going on unless the budget is 250+
[QUOTE=Cville;3806079]Gave him an energy dagger. Lol[/QUOTE]
FINALLY!!!
lol
[QUOTE=XPac;3805560]
And if you can post a scan stating that Hudlin reconing the ages of Nakia and the Okoye, I'm withdraw my complaint there too.[/QUOTE]
Nah bruv, that's not how it works.
You know full well that Reginald Hudlin's original 6 issue mini-series was an out of continuity take on the BP mythos and this, completely divorced from what Christopher Priest as clearly illustrated by the completely bald headed and tribal marked Dora Milaje depicted during his run.
Marvel's decision for Hudlin to fold his run into the mainstream MCU didn't alter the new dynamic as regards the portrayal and repurposing of the Dora's in anyway but for some reason, a minority of readers choose to highlight something that's been a non-issue for close to a decade now whilst low key downplaying positive developments for the BP Mythos that were clearly evident at the close of Hickman's Secret Wars II and Al Ewing's Ultimate book which was in perfect synch with where Hickman left Wakanda as regards restoration of Wakanda to pre-Incursion status, Wakanda's expanding role on the International stage as part of the Ultimates Initiative and the Wakanda Space Program.
There was ZERO evidence of conflict in Wakanda evidenced in Al Ewing's book and whatever issues T'challa had with the Dora's as regards Namor, were definitely not alluded to in the Ultimates book.
One can choose to cherry pick whatever one wants to back up whatever argument one chooses to make but it's usually a good idea to bear in mind the fact that there will always be other readers who choose to rely on what's actually in continuity as opposed to Johnny come lately writers flights of fanfiction based fantasy.
One also has to question why one's position always has to contradictory whenever concepts that strengthen the character and his mythos are introduced only to be quite enthusiastic and generally enthused when very subjective portrayals of "hyper realism" are rigidly applied to what remains a purely fictional/fantasy based milieu.
Word to B-Swizzle.
[QUOTE=Cville;3806079]Gave him an energy dagger. Lol[/QUOTE]
Probably trying to differentiate his play style from Wolverine's since they're both in the game.
So Disney expanded from 28 theatres to 154 for BP this weekend. Now it is 68K from 700 million!! Man I wish they had done this before the blu ray release.
This is gonna be too close.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3806509]FINALLY!!!
lol[/QUOTE]
[B]I could see something like Daggers, claws and force push as the big finisher[/B]
Well met Christopher Priest today.
Got a picture too.
While waiting for him to sign some things he offered these gems-
Batman The Mission was suppose to be 80 pages not the one shot that finally came out.
Black Panther might have inspired the Civil War mini series as his book did feature Panther and Iron Man not getting along and agreeing.
The fight scene between Killmonger & Panther was inspired from the fight they had in his book.
He didn't want to kill Ironfist in the last issue of Powerman & Ironfist (which sold 153K at the time it was axed for something called the New Universe)
A ghost writer did the last 3 issues of Steel and his run was actually about McDuffie as a super hero.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3806610]Nah bruv, that's not how it works.
You know full well that Reginald Hudlin's original 6 issue mini-series was an out of continuity take on the BP mythos and this, completely divorced from what Christopher Priest as clearly illustrated by the completely bald headed and tribal marked Dora Milaje depicted during his run.
Marvel's decision for Hudlin to fold his run into the mainstream MCU didn't alter the new dynamic as regards the portrayal and repurposing of the Dora's in anyway but for some reason, a minority of readers choose to highlight something that's been a non-issue for close to a decade now whilst low key downplaying positive developments for the BP Mythos that were clearly evident at the close of Hickman's Secret Wars II and Al Ewing's Ultimate book which was in perfect synch with where Hickman left Wakanda as regards restoration of Wakanda to pre-Incursion status, Wakanda's expanding role on the International stage as part of the Ultimates Initiative and the Wakanda Space Program.
There was ZERO evidence of conflict in Wakanda evidenced in Al Ewing's book and whatever issues T'challa had with the Dora's as regards Namor, were definitely not alluded to in the Ultimates book.
One can choose to cherry pick whatever one wants to back up whatever argument one chooses to make but it's usually a good idea to bear in mind the fact that there will always be other readers who choose to rely on what's actually in continuity as opposed to Johnny come lately writers flights of fanfiction based fantasy.
One also has to question why one's position always has to contradictory whenever concepts that strengthen the character and his mythos are introduced only to be quite enthusiastic and generally enthused when very subjective portrayals of "hyper realism" are rigidly applied to what remains a purely fictional/fantasy based milieu.
Word to B-Swizzle.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]People have a problem with the Dora concept under Priest even though it was all ceremonial and neither T'Challa nor any other Black Panther ever slept with one.
But treehouse rape camps and getting advice from brutal dictators is the acceptable norm to some. Some even try to justify their existence.
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;3806690]Well met Christopher Priest today.
Got a picture too.
While waiting for him to sign some things he offered these gems-
Batman The Mission was suppose to be 80 pages not the one shot that finally came out.
Black Panther might have inspired the Civil War mini series as his book did feature Panther and Iron Man not getting along and agreeing.
The fight scene between Killmonger & Panther was inspired from the fight they had in his book.
He didn't want to kill Ironfist in the last issue of Powerman & Ironfist (which sold 153K at the time it was axed for something called the New Universe)
A ghost writer did the last 3 issues of Steel and his run was actually about McDuffie as a super hero.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Nice. He say anything about Deathstroke and Red Lion?[/COLOR]
Speaking of CGI...
I was going over the game film and saw some interesting things about the T'challa vs Killmonger fight scene...
[video=youtube;IpCQEmmAyTY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpCQEmmAyTY[/video]
OOPS my bad... Posted the wrong video (or did I?) :cool:
Black Panther needs a knock down drag em out fight like this to up the intensity stakes!
I'm talking one whole comic book filled to the brim like that Hulk versus Wolverine cartoon but with less talking and thought balloons!
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m4QQL1wXmE[/url]
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3805487]You also have to remember that the only person who said the herb was poisonous outside the royal line was Killmonger... and unreliable narrator who has had various enhancements done to him via outside means no one knows about.
Kinda like what Samuels said to Blonsky in Incredible Hulk, "I don't know how much you got inside you already"
T'challa, in the same run, didn't say it was poisonous. And let Kasper try to get access to it... in the same run.
It is murky, but throughout the history of the HSH, circumstantial evidence around whether the herb is truly poisonous outside the royal line leans towards it being not poisonous.
It is all speculation. Last time the herb was given to a non royal line, spider-man, he was good. Which would make the mos trecent canon say its not. It is also speculation that Parker would have an immunity to an herb only found in one place in the world. T'challa didn't seem too worried about it.[/QUOTE]
T;Chala let Kasper get the synthetic .herb concoction made by Killmonger. "let" as in he did try to stop him.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3806701][COLOR="#000080"]People have a problem with the Dora concept under Priest even though it was all ceremonial and neither T'Challa nor any other Black Panther ever slept with one.
But treehouse rape camps and getting advice from brutal dictators is the acceptable norm to some. Some even try to justify their existence.
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Agreed 100% my dear friend.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3806701][COLOR="#000080"]People have a problem with the Dora concept under Priest even though it was all ceremonial and neither T'Challa nor any other Black Panther ever slept with one.
But treehouse rape camps and getting advice from brutal dictators is the acceptable norm to some. Some even try to justify their existence.
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Treehouse rape is considered acceptable in the story, because the story clearly conveyed that it was wrong. Hence the rapist getting murdered on panel for their actions. Point being it's okay to show bad stuff happening in fiction, provided the story makes it clear that it's bad stuff that actually needs to be stopped.