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[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3058369]I can't be the only one that sees the irony of this situation. Most of you are disappointed in Coates' and are looking to other writers to take the lead and give T'Calla is proper due. You are actually pissed the person in charge of his mythos can't be bothered to write him in a manner that deserving of praise. Excuse me while I lol, because the same charges you guys are leveling against him are the same ones we level against the X-Writers. We're looking to Coates because he's doing what needs to be done with her.
All theses things are being done to Storm on her home turf. Coates is our breath of fresh air. I know most of you won't give a rats ass, but that's the truth of the situation.
He's done more than his fair share of building her up. I say he's more than earned the right to break her down a bit. We need to see them both at their weakest, from there they can be the strength the other one needs to perservere.[/QUOTE]
So you can see the irony in the situation and find it funny, but can't see why BP fans are upset and have a problem with Coates just because he's doing right by Storm (which on its own is a good thing)?
I don't think you and other Storm fans have realised that while their situation compared with BP fans is similar, it is not the same at all. Let us compare the two:
BP according to his fans in continuously underwritten in his own solo book with his goddamn name in the title, while his supporting cast is arguably given all the spotlight. This is all happening when the character's profile is rising and his name is out there due to a widely praised debut in the MCU, a variety of impressive guest appearances in other titles and animated features. But the one thing BP fans want is this same characterisation in his own book, which one can argue is the most important.
Meanwhile, Storm's only impressive presence is in another character's solo book. The X-Office constantly misuses her in a team book, she's had mediocre to good presences in the X-Men films and I don't remember the last time she had an animated feature presence.
Both have it bad obviously but can you imagine how annoying it is for BP fans to have the thorn in their side that is everything Coates when all seems to be picking up after 7-8 years of complete BS? I mean, I'm pretty sure Storm only ever had one mini series. She's always been part of a team. That team has had 5 movies with her in it and whatever the X-Office is doing with Storm now is certainly not new. Put yourself in their shoes and imagine if the situations were switched. I mean why are Storm fans so happy with what Coates is doing with her when it's not her book, or a book she's meant to be sharing with BP. She has a title that's meant for her, even if it's with a team. That's her book in many ways more than any appearance Coates gives her. I mean honestly I'd argue some of you are even rubbing what Coates is doing for her in the faces of BP fans.
BP fans have every right to hate Storm now. Every right I tell you, and I bet you it goes beyond AvX or whatever. She's there getting the kind of treatment we expect and deserve in a book not meant for her. This is just getting ridiculous at this point.
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Man, I haven't been reading Black Panther but I feel the pain. (this is my favorite thread to lurk in)
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[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3058661]T'Challa did more than enough to warrant positive discussion this issue, but apparently that's not enough from some people. But that's fine. We can keep talking about Storm'saddition to the supporting cast.[/QUOTE]
I've read both this series and this thread and I will tell you that this issue is like 1 out of 17 issues. 1 out of 17!! That's not good enough, and if a BP fan thinks the feat is good enough, then they have the right to say so
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[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;3058682]So you can see the irony in the situation and find it funny, but can't see why BP fans are upset and have a problem with Coates just because he's doing right by Storm (which on its own is a good thing)?
I don't think you and other Storm fans have realised that while their situation compared with BP fans is similar, it is not the same at all. Let us compare the two:
BP according to his fans in continuously underwritten in his own solo book with his goddamn name in the title, while his supporting cast is arguably given all the spotlight. This is all happening when the character's profile is rising and his name is out there due to a widely praised debut in the MCU, a variety of impressive guest appearances in other titles and animated features. But the one thing BP fans want is this same characterisation in his own book, which one can argue is the most important.
Meanwhile, Storm's only impressive presence is in another character's solo book. The X-Office constantly misuses her in a team book, she's had mediocre to good presences in the X-Men films and I don't remember the last time she had an animated feature presence.
Both have it bad obviously but can you imagine how annoying it is for BP fans to have the thorn in their side that is everything Coates when all seems to be picking up after 7-8 years of complete BS? I mean, I'm pretty sure Storm only ever had one mini series. She's always been part of a team. That team has had 5 movies with her in it and whatever the X-Office is doing with Storm now is certainly not new. Put yourself in their shoes and imagine if the situations were switched. I mean why are Storm fans so happy with what Coates is doing with her when it's not her book, or a book she's meant to be sharing with BP. She has a title that's meant for her, even if it's with a team. That's her book in many ways more than any appearance Coates gives her. I mean honestly I'd argue some of you are even rubbing what Coates is doing for her in the faces of BP fans.
BP fans have every right to hate Storm now. Every right I tell you, and I bet you it goes beyond AvX or whatever. She's there getting the kind of treatment we expect and deserve in a book not meant for her. This is just getting ridiculous at this point.[/QUOTE]
Ideally characters should be handled well in every book they are in. I can unserdtand people having issues with a character they like being used badly, from their perspective at least ... but anger or hate over a character being used well, regardless of the book, seems odd to me. Again, characters ideally should be used well in any boo they appear in.
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[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;3058682]So you can see the irony in the situation and find it funny, but can't see why BP fans are upset and have a problem with Coates just because he's doing right by Storm (which on its own is a good thing)?
I don't think you and other Storm fans have realised that while their situation compared with BP fans is similar, it is not the same at all. Let us compare the two:
BP according to his fans in continuously underwritten in his own solo book with his goddamn name in the title, while his supporting cast is arguably given all the spotlight. This is all happening when the character's profile is rising and his name is out there due to a widely praised debut in the MCU, a variety of impressive guest appearances in other titles and animated features. But the one thing BP fans want is this same characterisation in his own book, which one can argue is the most important.
Meanwhile, Storm's only impressive presence is in another character's solo book. The X-Office constantly misuses her in a team book, she's had mediocre to good presences in the X-Men films and I don't remember the last time she had an animated feature presence.
Both have it bad obviously but can you imagine how annoying it is for BP fans to have the thorn in their side that is everything Coates when all seems to be picking up after 7-8 years of complete BS? I mean, I'm pretty sure Storm only ever had one mini series. She's always been part of a team. That team has had 5 movies with her in it and whatever the X-Office is doing with Storm now is certainly not new. Put yourself in their shoes and imagine if the situations were switched. I mean why are Storm fans so happy with what Coates is doing with her when it's not her book, or a book she's meant to be sharing with BP. She has a title that's meant for her, even if it's with a team. That's her book in many ways more than any appearance Coates gives her. I mean honestly I'd argue some of you are even rubbing what Coates is doing for her in the faces of BP fans.
BP fans have every right to hate Storm now. Every right I tell you, and I bet you it goes beyond AvX or whatever. She's there getting the kind of treatment we expect and deserve in a book not meant for her. This is just getting ridiculous at this point.[/QUOTE]
Brother wedjat, once again you preach nothing but pure wisdom. And to be completely honest, if this book was titled "Black Panther and Storm" I'd have little problem what with Coates is doing. But her name isn't in the title now is it? Just more nonsense from the Chokesverse.
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[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;3058682]So you can see the irony in the situation and find it funny, but can't see why BP fans are upset and have a problem with Coates just because he's doing right by Storm (which on its own is a good thing)?
I don't think you and other Storm fans have realised that while their situation compared with BP fans is similar, it is not the same at all. Let us compare the two:
BP according to his fans in continuously underwritten in his own solo book with his goddamn name in the title, while his supporting cast is arguably given all the spotlight. This is all happening when the character's profile is rising and his name is out there due to a widely praised debut in the MCU, a variety of impressive guest appearances in other titles and animated features. But the one thing BP fans want is this same characterisation in his own book, which one can argue is the most important.
Meanwhile, Storm's only impressive presence is in another character's solo book. The X-Office constantly misuses her in a team book, she's had mediocre to good presences in the X-Men films and I don't remember the last time she had an animated feature presence.
Both have it bad obviously but can you imagine how annoying it is for BP fans to have the thorn in their side that is everything Coates when all seems to be picking up after 7-8 years of complete BS? I mean, I'm pretty sure Storm only ever had one mini series. She's always been part of a team. That team has had 5 movies with her in it and whatever the X-Office is doing with Storm now is certainly not new. Put yourself in their shoes and imagine if the situations were switched. I mean why are Storm fans so happy with what Coates is doing with her when it's not her book, or a book she's meant to be sharing with BP. She has a title that's meant for her, even if it's with a team. That's her book in many ways more than any appearance Coates gives her. I mean honestly I'd argue some of you are even rubbing what Coates is doing for her in the faces of BP fans.
BP fans have every right to hate Storm now. Every right I tell you, and I bet you it goes beyond AvX or whatever. She's there getting the kind of treatment we expect and deserve in a book not meant for her. This is just getting ridiculous at this point.[/QUOTE]
No. I get why you guys are mad at Coates. That is understandable. Going by the gripes of most of you, he hasn't done BP any justice since the series started. I get that. But not everyone that posts here feels the same way. Some arguments have been made that he's doing the biggest u grade of all by strengthening his supporting cast. Should he be doing that while building T'Challa up at the same time? Absolutely. Without a doubt. So I understand that aspect of it. But I feel he gave both of them their better half back, so I'm all good. I never meant to antagonize anyone. My intention was never to rub anyone's face in anything. But when someone offers up my favorite comicbook couple on a platter, coupled with some thought out plausible reasons for the ridiculous bullshit that went down between due to a ridiculous story that should be wholly ignored, I'm gonna jump at with no parachute on.
[QUOTE=Rogue Star;3058698]Man, I haven't been reading Black Panther but I feel the pain. (this is my favorite thread to lurk in)[/QUOTE]
Lmao yes mine too! I love this place. It's a riot. I miss Umbra and Excelsior
[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;3058703]I've read both this series and this thread and I will tell you that this issue is like 1 out of 17 issues. 1 out of 17!! That's not good enough, and if a BP fan thinks the feat is good enough, then they have the right to say so[/QUOTE]
They do. I'm not taking away from that. This BP should have been present from issue #1. T'Challa was a commanding force in both this and BP&C. At least to me things seem to be changing in T'Challa's favor.
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[QUOTE=Ziggiyy;3058535]The problem is that "Coates is your breath of fresh air" in the WRONG book. Because what happens when Storm's guest spot is over? She'll go back to the X-Mansion and the readers of BLACK PANTHER will be left with milquetoast T'Challa. Therein lies the problem...
I can with FULL confidence state that 99% of BP fans would have no complaints whatsoever about this current issue had Coates been properly writing T'Challa IN CHARACTER since the beginning of his run. If T'Challa is written properly and this issue comes out, written in the EXACT same way; then Maj is crying tears of joy, Blackclaw praising Bast, and Enzyo100 is hailing Wakanda....[/QUOTE]
you make a very good point. as much as I love the props Coates is showing storm I know once Coates is gone there is a huge chance storm goes too and then she is back only in the crap xbooks. I wouldn't say it is happening in the wrong book because as I've always said storm is now forever toed to the wakanda mythos but it would be nice to see her shown love in the world where she originated.
[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;3058682]So you can see the irony in the situation and find it funny, but can't see why BP fans are upset and have a problem with Coates just because he's doing right by Storm (which on its own is a good thing)?
I don't think you and other Storm fans have realised that while their situation compared with BP fans is similar, it is not the same at all. Let us compare the two:
BP according to his fans in continuously underwritten in his own solo book with his goddamn name in the title, while his supporting cast is arguably given all the spotlight. This is all happening when the character's profile is rising and his name is out there due to a widely praised debut in the MCU, a variety of impressive guest appearances in other titles and animated features. But the one thing BP fans want is this same characterisation in his own book, which one can argue is the most important.
Meanwhile, Storm's only impressive presence is in another character's solo book. The X-Office constantly misuses her in a team book, she's had mediocre to good presences in the X-Men films and I don't remember the last time she had an animated feature presence.
Both have it bad obviously but can you imagine how annoying it is for BP fans to have the thorn in their side that is everything Coates when all seems to be picking up after 7-8 years of complete BS? I mean, I'm pretty sure Storm only ever had one mini series. She's always been part of a team. That team has had 5 movies with her in it and whatever the X-Office is doing with Storm now is certainly not new. Put yourself in their shoes and imagine if the situations were switched. I mean why are Storm fans so happy with what Coates is doing with her when it's not her book, or a book she's meant to be sharing with BP. She has a title that's meant for her, even if it's with a team. That's her book in many ways more than any appearance Coates gives her. I mean honestly I'd argue some of you are even rubbing what Coates is doing for her in the faces of BP fans.
BP fans have every right to hate Storm now. Every right I tell you, and I bet you it goes beyond AvX or whatever. She's there getting the kind of treatment we expect and deserve in a book not meant for her. This is just getting ridiculous at this point.[/QUOTE]
Ok so you are right the two situations are different but your assessment is completely wrong.
Black Panther
From the perspective of those who think he is being treated like garbage in his solo book while his supporting cast gets shine, you would think this would be frustrating but to me it shouldn't. Not only has Tchalla had multiple solo books where he has been established as one of the smartest minds, with a country and mythos that completely revolves around him, he had a positive response to his debut on the big screen when he was introduced in the Cap American movie. This is to be followed by a solo movie with A-list characters and he currently is featured in gaming and merchandise that further supports interest in the character. So ok, maybe he is being treated like garbage in his solo book but there many many many other outlets and media where he is not (both in comics and outside the comics). It's not the ideal situation but it is much better than the next scenario I'm about to go into.
Storm
This character went from being one of the most popular women super hero characters in the 90s so much so she beat Wonder Woman in a popularity contest, being featured in games, cartoons and even movies to a character who is not even a shadow of what she used to be. Yes she has been featured in movies, but she was nowhere near as badass as her comic counterpart and she served more of a supporting role than actually being important to the stories being told. 17 years later and after a reboot instead of respecting her mythos of being worshipped as a goddess and being in full control of her power by time she was recruited by Xavier, she was reduced to having daddy issues and worshipping mystique. Her full power needed the intervention of a man to achieve. and this is not even mentioning the comics where in the main books she is featured ( which right now is only one book) she is shown as incompetent, unsure of herself, and only capable of shooting lightning. In the comics it took her nearly 30 or so years to finally get one solo and in that solo we didn't learn anything new about her and connections outside the xmen. Currently, there are no other outlets storm fans can go to in hopes of seeing her represented in a good light. She often time is shown on preview art or cover art to do absolutely nothing with the more recent example being Secret Empire 10. There are no games, no current cartoons or movies, no other comics EXCEPT Coates. I don't think this is coincidence he is black and so happens to be treating her with all this love. Maybe he recognizes how crappy she had been treated in so many mediums and is trying to correct that and he sees he is the only one trying to carry that baton. Does it suck for Tchalla? Perhaps. But when you really compare the two characters storm is way worse off and when I see fans of BP complain it seems frankly childish and unwarranted. BP fans have so much to be excited for and he is being repped in so many different areas which I think Coates is aware if this and trying to give balance and interest in his other character who don't happen to go by Tchalla. I personally don't see the problem with that when you take all of what I said into context.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3056704][B] Tchalla uses Tech to get out of the physic attack, he has never needed it and this should of been a perfect opportunity to break out of the attack by his innate resistance. Him doing that then telling his men to activate their tech would of been a better feat Then making him rely on tech in the first Place. Something he had never had o do. It's about as stupid as him standing and letting fenris and their goons blast his habit to test it's limits, instead of simply dodging Using his agility and taking them down.
These are the things a writer Should be thinking about. Rather then doing things that actually diminish the character [/B][/QUOTE]
As shown by he issue the others affected by the attack could do nothing, Storm was falling. Thereby in order to even use his senses to turn on his tech tchalla had to first use his own telepathic resistance to take control of his own body and enable the tech. Why would be need to continuously resist and try to fight a horde of demonic creatures when he already broke out and then used his tech so he could fully focus on the fight and the men and women he needed to save. It seems like you are taking away a feat Tchalla clearly had. No one else was able to do anything until he first broke out of the mind control.
And this isn't directed to you but i don't really care if BP fans or Storm fans are sour over their relationship or love their relationship. I didn't like it the first time around and others did. It is what it is. Quite frankly it doesn't affect me one way or the other. when i like something i buy it, when i don't i won't. I plan on going to the comic shop and buying this issue. I never got why some people are so pressed over what others do or don't do with their money.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;3059072]As shown by he issue the others affected by the attack could do nothing, Storm was falling. Thereby in order to even use his senses to turn on his tech tchalla had to first use his own telepathic resistance to take control of his own body and enable the tech. Why would be need to continuously resist and try to fight a horde of demonic creatures when he already broke out and then used his tech so he could fully focus on the fight and the men and women he needed to save. It seems like you are taking away a feat Tchalla clearly had. No one else was able to do anything until he first broke out of the mind control.
And this isn't directed to you but i don't really care if BP fans or Storm fans are sour over their relationship or love their relationship. I didn't like it the first time around and others did. It is what it is. Quite frankly it doesn't affect me one way or the other. when i like something i buy it, when i don't i won't. I plan on going to the comic shop and buying this issue. I never got why some people are so pressed over what others do or don't do with their money.[/QUOTE]
to your first point agree totally. that was the point I was trying to make. why in earth would he continue to resist a telepathic attack from multiple human spiders when he could just turn on his tech and not be bothered. your point is spot on.
and the relationship how it ended I agree people need to let it go. it's a new chapter and Coates I think is handling it quite well.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3059001]you make a very good point. as much as I love the props Coates is showing storm I know once Coates is gone there is a huge chance storm goes too and then she is back only in the crap xbooks. I wouldn't say it is happening in the wrong book because as I've always said storm is now forever toed to the wakanda mythos but it would be nice to see her shown love in the world where she originated.
Ok so you are right the two situations are different but your assessment is completely wrong.
Black Panther
From the perspective of those who think he is being treated like garbage in his solo book while his supporting cast gets shine, you would think this would be frustrating but to me it shouldn't. Not only has Tchalla had multiple solo books where he has been established as one of the smartest minds, with a country and mythos that completely revolves around him, he had a positive response to his debut on the big screen when he was introduced in the Cap American movie. This is to be followed by a solo movie with A-list characters and he currently is featured in gaming and merchandise that further supports interest in the character. So ok, maybe he is being treated like garbage in his solo book but there many many many other outlets and media where he is not (both in comics and outside the comics). It's not the ideal situation but it is much better than the next scenario I'm about to go into.
Storm
This character went from being one of the most popular women super hero characters in the 90s so much so she beat Wonder Woman in a popularity contest, being featured in games, cartoons and even movies to a character who is not even a shadow of what she used to be. Yes she has been featured in movies, but she was nowhere near as badass as her comic counterpart and she served more of a supporting role than actually being important to the stories being told. 17 years later and after a reboot instead of respecting her mythos of being worshipped as a goddess and being in full control of her power by time she was recruited by Xavier, she was reduced to having daddy issues and worshipping mystique. Her full power needed the intervention of a man to achieve. and this is not even mentioning the comics where in the main books she is featured ( which right now is only one book) she is shown as incompetent, unsure of herself, and only capable of shooting lightning. In the comics it took her nearly 30 or so years to finally get one solo and in that solo we didn't learn anything new about her and connections outside the xmen. Currently, there are no other outlets storm fans can go to in hopes of seeing her represented in a good light. She often time is shown on preview art or cover art to do absolutely nothing with the more recent example being Secret Empire 10. There are no games, no current cartoons or movies, no other comics EXCEPT Coates. I don't think this is coincidence he is black and so happens to be treating her with all this love. Maybe he recognizes how crappy she had been treated in so many mediums and is trying to correct that and he sees he is the only one trying to carry that baton. Does it suck for Tchalla? Perhaps. But when you really compare the two characters storm is way worse off and when I see fans of BP complain it seems frankly childish and unwarranted. BP fans have so much to be excited for and he is being repped in so many different areas which I think Coates is aware if this and trying to give balance and interest in his other character who don't happen to go by Tchalla. I personally don't see the problem with that when you take all of what I said into context.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention, again everyone in his book in defined by their relationship to T'Challa. Without him they don't matter. And I think it's important to show why he keeps the circle of people he does. It gives more insight into him. And coincidentally that fleshed him and his supporting cast out. Calling T'Challa an intelligent man is a drastic, almost criminal understatement. He definitely keeps the circle he does for a reason.
[QUOTE=jwatson;3059072]As shown by he issue the others affected by the attack could do nothing, Storm was falling. Thereby in order to even use his senses to turn on his tech tchalla had to first use his own telepathic resistance to take control of his own body and enable the tech. Why would be need to continuously resist and try to fight a horde of demonic creatures when he already broke out and then used his tech so he could fully focus on the fight and the men and women he needed to save. It seems like you are taking away a feat Tchalla clearly had. No one else was able to do anything until he first broke out of the mind control.
And this isn't directed to you but i don't really care if BP fans or Storm fans are sour over their relationship or love their relationship. I didn't like it the first time around and others did. It is what it is. Quite frankly it doesn't affect me one way or the other. when i like something i buy it, when i don't i won't. I plan on going to the comic shop and buying this issue. I never got why some people are so pressed over what others do or don't do with their money.[/QUOTE]
Hello? Oh, ok... say that!
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3059001]you make a very good point. as much as I love the props Coates is showing storm I know once Coates is gone there is a huge chance storm goes too and then she is back only in the crap xbooks. I wouldn't say it is happening in the wrong book because as I've always said storm is now forever toed to the wakanda mythos but it would be nice to see her shown love in the world where she originated.
Ok so you are right the two situations are different but your assessment is completely wrong.
Black Panther
From the perspective of those who think he is being treated like garbage in his solo book while his supporting cast gets shine, you would think this would be frustrating but to me it shouldn't. Not only has Tchalla had multiple solo books where he has been established as one of the smartest minds, with a country and mythos that completely revolves around him, he had a positive response to his debut on the big screen when he was introduced in the Cap American movie. This is to be followed by a solo movie with A-list characters and he currently is featured in gaming and merchandise that further supports interest in the character. So ok, maybe he is being treated like garbage in his solo book but there many many many other outlets and media where he is not (both in comics and outside the comics). It's not the ideal situation but it is much better than the next scenario I'm about to go into.
Storm
This character went from being one of the most popular women super hero characters in the 90s so much so she beat Wonder Woman in a popularity contest, being featured in games, cartoons and even movies to a character who is not even a shadow of what she used to be. Yes she has been featured in movies, but she was nowhere near as badass as her comic counterpart and she served more of a supporting role than actually being important to the stories being told. 17 years later and after a reboot instead of respecting her mythos of being worshipped as a goddess and being in full control of her power by time she was recruited by Xavier, she was reduced to having daddy issues and worshipping mystique. Her full power needed the intervention of a man to achieve. and this is not even mentioning the comics where in the main books she is featured ( which right now is only one book) she is shown as incompetent, unsure of herself, and only capable of shooting lightning. In the comics it took her nearly 30 or so years to finally get one solo and in that solo we didn't learn anything new about her and connections outside the xmen. Currently, there are no other outlets storm fans can go to in hopes of seeing her represented in a good light. She often time is shown on preview art or cover art to do absolutely nothing with the more recent example being Secret Empire 10. There are no games, no current cartoons or movies, no other comics EXCEPT Coates. I don't think this is coincidence he is black and so happens to be treating her with all this love. Maybe he recognizes how crappy she had been treated in so many mediums and is trying to correct that and he sees he is the only one trying to carry that baton. Does it suck for Tchalla? Perhaps. But when you really compare the two characters storm is way worse off and when I see fans of BP complain it seems frankly childish and unwarranted. BP fans have so much to be excited for and he is being repped in so many different areas which I think Coates is aware if this and trying to give balance and interest in his other character who don't happen to go by Tchalla. I personally don't see the problem with that when you take all of what I said into context.[/QUOTE]
I think you missed my point. I never said T'Challa is worse off, and I clearly outlined how bad her situation is, pretty much implying she is even worse off. The point wasn't to compare and say who is worse off. My point was to show that they are not in the exact same boat.
My point is that Coates solo and how is treating the character comes at a time when things are looking good for the character. Yes there are other avenues that show a good T'Challa. But is it really a bad thing if someone wants to read a freaking comic called BLACK PANTHER treat the title character with respect? BP fans want to read some good comics too that uplift the character the way others are doing.
My point about Storm was that frankly nothing new (aside from Coates) is being done to the character. We've seen this for years. It's not about to change for Storm (as harsh as it sounds). The character certainly needs to be uplifted all across the board but it should not be done in an avenue that's not hers, especially when the character of that same avenue is being crapped on at the very same time the writer gives Storm a good look.
Giving Storm a good look isn't even the problem. It really isn't. I could care less about that as someone who doesn't care for Storm anymore. The problem is that it is clearly done at the expense of doing T'Challa justice. I don't know how many times it has to be said.
Also, not to pick a fight or get aggressive or anything but I find it funny that you voice clear disdain that Storm can be "shown as incompetent, unsure of herself, and only capable of shooting lightning", but when BP fans say T'Challa is " shown as incompetent, unsure of himself, and gets jobbed by Z-listers and redshirts", there's always some justification for it and for you it "perhaps" sucks. Again put your shoes in that of BP fans and I wonder if you'll say it "perhaps" sucks. Look, fans are naturally defensive and I get that but that is the height of hypocrisy
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[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;3059182]I think you missed my point. I never said T'Challa is worse off, and I clearly outlined how bad her situation is, pretty much implying she is even worse off. The point wasn't to compare and say who is worse off. My point was to show that they are not in the exact same boat.
My point is that Coates solo and how is treating the character comes at a time when things are looking good for the character. Yes there are other avenues that show a good T'Challa. But is it really a bad thing if someone wants to read a freaking comic called BLACK PANTHER treat the title character with respect? BP fans want to read some good comics too that uplift the character the way others are doing.
My point about Storm was that frankly nothing new (aside from Coates) is being done to the character. We've seen this for years. It's not about to change for Storm (as harsh as it sounds). The character certainly needs to be uplifted all across the board but it should not be done in an avenue that's not hers, especially when the character of that same avenue is being crapped on at the very same time the writer gives Storm a good look.
Giving Storm a good look isn't even the problem. It really isn't. I could care less about that as someone who doesn't care for Storm anymore. The problem is that it is clearly done at the expense of doing T'Challa justice. I don't know how many times it has to be said.
Also, not to pick a fight or get aggressive or anything but I find it funny that you voice clear disdain that Storm can be "shown as incompetent, unsure of herself, and only capable of shooting lightning", but when BP fans say T'Challa is " shown as incompetent, unsure of himself, and gets jobbed by Z-listers and redshirts", there's always some justification for it and for you it "perhaps" sucks. Again put your shoes in that of BP fans and I wonder if you'll say it "perhaps" sucks. Look, fans are naturally defensive and I get that but that is the height of hypocrisy[/QUOTE]
I know this wasn't directed at me, but my point is it feels like Storm fans are made feel like we shouldn't appreciate what Coates did for her. Especially when we see it as a service to her and her relationship to T'Challa. I know we won't change your mind on this subject. But again Coates has gone out of his way to strengthen her relationship to T'Challa and that is a great delight to posters like Kyss and I. And with this issue there is no conceivable way to say Storm was given feats at great detriment to BP. At least not with any merit. BP was the man everyone could depend on this issue. It's weird that that's being overlooked.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3059102]to your first point agree totally. that was the point I was trying to make. why in earth would he continue to resist a telepathic attack from multiple human spiders when he could just turn on his tech and not be bothered. your point is spot on.
and the relationship how it ended I agree people need to let it go. it's a new chapter and Coates I think is handling it quite well.[/QUOTE]
It seems like pretty basic common sense. If you happen to be carrying around anti- telepathy tech and you suddenly experiencing a telepathic attack, might as well use it.
Why wouldn't he is the more obvious question?
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[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;3059182]I think you missed my point. I never said T'Challa is worse off, and I clearly outlined how bad her situation is, pretty much implying she is even worse off. The point wasn't to compare and say who is worse off. My point was to show that they are not in the exact same boat.
My point is that Coates solo and how is treating the character comes at a time when things are looking good for the character. Yes there are other avenues that show a good T'Challa. But is it really a bad thing if someone wants to read a freaking comic called BLACK PANTHER treat the title character with respect? BP fans want to read some good comics too that uplift the character the way others are doing.
My point about Storm was that frankly nothing new (aside from Coates) is being done to the character. We've seen this for years. It's not about to change for Storm (as harsh as it sounds). The character certainly needs to be uplifted all across the board but it should not be done in an avenue that's not hers, especially when the character of that same avenue is being crapped on at the very same time the writer gives Storm a good look.
Giving Storm a good look isn't even the problem. It really isn't. I could care less about that as someone who doesn't care for Storm anymore. The problem is that it is clearly done at the expense of doing T'Challa justice. I don't know how many times it has to be said.
Also, not to pick a fight or get aggressive or anything but I find it funny that you voice clear disdain that Storm can be "shown as incompetent, unsure of herself, and only capable of shooting lightning", but when BP fans say T'Challa is " shown as incompetent, unsure of himself, and gets jobbed by Z-listers and redshirts", there's always some justification for it and for you it "perhaps" sucks. Again put your shoes in that of BP fans and I wonder if you'll say it "perhaps" sucks. Look, fans are naturally defensive and I get that but that is the height of hypocrisy[/QUOTE]
1.) Ok agreed she is worse off.
2.) No, it is not a bad thing for someone to want to read a character do well in a series with their name. I never said it was. However, you are talking as if all BP fans don't like how he is being handled. Yes, I have seen some who have argued that Coates isn't doing a great job with him but there are others who like the approach he has taken with the series and these are fans that post here regularly.
3.) In this particular run of Black Panther, when did storm do anything that took away from tchalla aside from issue 17 when she did away with unnatural weather? And why is it an issue that he would consult someone who he personally knows who controls the weather to help correct it? When you say this is not her avenue, in regards to what? Since this is Wakanda she shouldn't have any care or concern on what occurs there? You do realize she used to be Queen and as Coates demonstrated there are some Wakandans who respected/celebrated her time as Queen and wanted her to return.
4.) See point 2. What shine has Storm gotten at the expense of Black Panther? In this issue alone, he was the one who spoke wisely to Storm in regards to accepting her power and her place within Wakanda when she herself didn't believe in her abilities. Without this, she wouldn't have been able to correct the unnatural weather plaguing the village. He also successfully led a charge against another dimensional threat all while having the foresight to properly equip his team from the threat of physic attacks.
5.) Here's the thing. Not all BP fans see Coates handling of him in this particular run as bad. That is why I used the word "perhaps" as I have seen some fans in this very forum say that they like the issue. However, the opposite is not true of Storm. You yourself not being a fan acknowledged that she is worse off of these two. And I have put myself in your shoes; that is exactly why I presented my initial response in the way that I did to you. I would totally be frustrated if I picked up a Storm solo book and it gave more shine to the other characters (even though this is what has been happening to her for years in the Xbooks). But I would be happy if I could pick up another book and see her getting the shine she deserved. I would be happy if I could turn on the tv and see her getting the shine she deserves on cartoons. And I would be over the moon excited if she got a movie that featured her and she was written in character and with respect in relation to her power and character traits. Yes I would complain about the solo book, but I would be happy I had other platforms to see my favorite character shown the respect they deserve. But that is just me. However, the truth of the matter is that you call me a hypocrite but you in fact are not putting yourself in Storm fans' shoes. How could you ask me to do something you yourself have not even attempted to do? If you did, you wouldn't support the unwarranted hate of Storm that you did. You wouldn't chastise Storm fans for being happy of seeing someone, anyone give her the actual respect and consideration she should have been given ions ago. You wouldn't even come to me with this air of being a hypocrite for highlighting that you shouldn't be all that upset as BP fans when you look at the bigger picture relating the massive love and attention he has been getting.
[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3059236]I know this wasn't directed at me, but my point is it feels like Storm fans are made feel like we shouldn't appreciate what Coates did for her. Especially when we see it as a service to her and her relationship to T'Challa. I know we won't change your mind on this subject. But again Coates has gone out of his way to strengthen her relationship to T'Challa and that is a great delight to posters like Kyss and I. And with this issue there is no conceivable way to say Storm was given feats at great detriment to BP. At least not with any merit. BP was the man everyone could depend on this issue. It's weird that that's being overlooked.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I really honestly think that as long as Coates is writing people who don't like him will find something to complain about. When people were seriously upset about him having the psionic blockers I was like ok. This is just insane lol.
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