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[QUOTE=Dboi654;3687926]Interesting Perspective
[video=youtube;AZ11G8TY-6M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ11G8TY-6M[/video][/QUOTE]
Okay after watching this i will admit that I'm now curious enough to go pick this issue up. On the other hand it still seems to just be channeling most of the Gladiator movie premise
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[QUOTE=XPac;3687528]I think it's a little more than that. Yes, he's beating on red shirts, but he's beating on red shirts without his suit, any of his gear, or any of his resources. It's just him with literally the clothes on his back battling against a galactic empire.
It's not a battle board feat in the sense that he's fighting any A list villains. It's pretty unlikely Doom or Magneto is going to pop up anytime soon. But he is being placed in a position where he's the decided underdog ( something you often can't say about T'Challa given he's got the backing of the most advanced nation on the planet). So again, it's not a feat you can brag about in terms of putting it on a rumbles board. But it's a cool situation for the character to find himself in, because of the odds he needs to overcome.[/QUOTE]
enhanced dude from warrior culture and one of the best MA on the planet beats up goons.
The only notable thing is that he actually had a good artist.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3687731]black panther issue is going to second prints of issue 1:
[url]https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/05/25/champions-black-panther-second-prints/[/url][/QUOTE]
This issue had a ridiculous amount of variants.
[QUOTE=Jabare;3687760]lucky time to be a BP writer with so much mainstream success the book sells itself.
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I don't know why people ignore the outside perspective that these sales aren't all just Coates. No previous panther writer has had this sort of outside help selling a title.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3688057]David Liss's [B][I]Kingpin Of Wakanda[/I][/B] magnum opus was a masterclass in distilling the essence of a hero into its purest form and then depicting same in such a manner as to further strengthen the titular characters rightful dominance within his own solo book.
Priest, Hudlin, Liss and even Maberry (shock, horror!) all had guest stars featured in T'Challa's solo book during their collective BP writing tenures.
However, unlike Coates, not one of the aforementioned BP scribes had T'Challa overshadowed by guest stars in his solo title.
Coates has single handedly relegated T'Challa (alongside a vastly diminished Wakanda) to full blown back of the bus status.
Some can choose to ignore this reality as much as they want, but the proof is in the pudding.
There has been no positive forward progression for T'Challa, Shuri or Wakanda under Coates pen.
Said ''forward progression'' has been reserved for supporting characters such as Storm in particular and any characters both pre-existing and manufactured more to this writers liking.
Why any of this should be acceptable to actual BP enthusiasts is beyond me but suffice it to say, that this too, will pass.
Excelsior.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Tony Stark;3688080]When people would start debates about T'Challa in my LCS I always needing the herb to fight, I just politely throw the Liss run in their faces.[/QUOTE]
Or the fact he defeated enchanced Uncle S'yan as just a normal human.
[QUOTE=jackolover;3688195]I wonder what the Guardians Of The Galaxy are doing right now? Are they a chance to make an appearance maybe?[/QUOTE]
Space is huge
[QUOTE=dkrook;3688355]Okay after watching this i will admit that I'm now curious enough to go pick this issue up. On the other hand it still seems to just be channeling most of the Gladiator movie premise[/QUOTE]
The issue is ridiculously simple, but as always, people who love Coates and trying to make it something more than it is.
It is a half introduction issue (since it starts in the middle of a story) with very pretty art.
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An interesting take on issue #1, from a comment to a puff piece on IO9:
[QUOTE]The chapter title, “Many Thousands Gone,” may hint at what Coates has in mind by turning the space-faring Wakandans into colonizers and having them mindwipe their captives. In an essay by the same title (which in turn takes the phrase from a folk ballad), James Baldwin concludes with the thought that an African American who accepts assimilation as the measure of his humanity “can only acquiesce in the obliteration of his own personality, the distortion and debasement of his own experience, surrendering to those forces which reduce the person to anonymity.”[/QUOTE]
I'm not entirely sure what the commenter means by this, not being familiar with the essay, but it certain sounds pretentious and US-centric enough to be Coates' motive.
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Oh, and a thought just occurred to me....
There's an assumption by many readers that the "Imperials" are Wakandan humans. But the only humans we see in the issue are either slaves or rebels....
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3688392]enhanced dude from warrior culture and one of the best MA on the planet beats up goons.
The only notable thing is that he actually had a good artist.
This issue had a ridiculous amount of variants.
I don't know why people ignore the outside perspective that these sales aren't all just Coates. No previous panther writer has had this sort of outside help selling a title.
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Or the fact he defeated enchanced Uncle S'yan as just a normal human.
Space is huge
The issue is ridiculously simple, but as always, people who love Coates and trying to make it something more than it is.
It is a half introduction issue (since it starts in the middle of a story) with very pretty art.[/QUOTE]
It's an enhanced dude that's going to topple a galactic Empire. That's a tough one regardless of how good a fighter you are. And it's something a lot of heroes can't say they have done.
Again, it won't be a rumbles board feat ... But it's placing the character legitimately in a challenging situation. Which is the point.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3688448]It's an enhanced dude that's going to topple a galactic Empire. [/QUOTE]
When did that happen in issue 1 lol?
Plus, it's Coates. He may very well pray to space Nakia while space Taku rallies the troops to won :)
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I still figure odds are about 50-50 that "T'Challa" isn't the 616!Panther at all, and Coates will pull a bait & switch on the readers.
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[QUOTE=Tony Stark;3688080]When people would start debates about T'Challa in my LCS I always needing the herb to fight, I just politely throw the Liss run in their faces.[/QUOTE]
That's the thing about characters who are street level, peak or enhanced. On panel it looks about the same. Until you get to at least Spider Man level it's hard to tell the difference. And many times even Spidey seems to perform as well as a Cap or Daredevil.
Still, it was nice seeing a story with him depowered and without gear. Shows just how good he is.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3688453]When did that happen in issue 1 lol?
Plus, it's Coates. He may very well pray to space Nakia while space Taku rallies the troops to won :)[/QUOTE]
It didn't happen, but the actual book is already telling us on panel he will. The book itself literally spoils what he's going to do.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3685815]Let's talk "world building", shall we?
As mentioned before, the supposedly 2,000 year old Wakandan Empire uses a surprising amount of names from the late 20th century, but not every name comes from the comics. So, Coates must have come up with the other names himself, right?
Wrong. Almost every other name comes from European history, as related to the slave trade.
The planet Goree: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gor%C3%A9e[/url] . Of special note:
The Askari troops: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Askari[/url].
The Maroon rebels: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maroon_(people)[/url]
The starship Mackandal: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Mackandal[/url]
The only one I'm not sure of yet is Daoud, the "King-Mule". But it would not shock me if he's a reference to historical slavery as well,
One wonders why Wakandans use so many terms from French/Caribbean history, and not ONE word from an African language....
In short, I was wrong. This isn't a generic sci-fi slave story…
It's a freakin' ALLEGORY. :P[/QUOTE]
Daoud is Arabic for David.
Don't know if it makes sense at all btw.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3688459]That's the thing about characters who are street level, peak or enhanced. On panel it looks about the same. Until you get to at least Spider Man level it's hard to tell the difference. And many times even Spidey seems to perform as well as a Cap or Daredevil.
Still, it was nice seeing a story with him depowered and without gear. Shows just how good he is.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, a Coates-penned story where T'Challa doesn't know what's going on and everyone else has more agency is so refreshing....
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3688475]Yeah, a Coates-penned story where T'Challa doesn't know what's going on and everyone else has more agency is so refreshing....[/QUOTE]
I honestly liked it. Him barely speaking, and largely just beating people up was kinda cool. I wouldn't want him always written that way. But it was kinda fun in this context.
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This issue had a ridiculous amount of variants.
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I wasn't going to buy a copy, but my LCS had the variant with the little boy and girl looking at the movie poster.
Although I know they would be disappointed in this story as because they most likely would have difficulty following the story. Lol. But the art could keep their attention.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3688459]That's the thing about characters who are street level, peak or enhanced. On panel it looks about the same. Until you get to at least Spider Man level it's hard to tell the difference. And many times even Spidey seems to perform as well as a Cap or Daredevil.
Still, it was nice seeing a story with him depowered and without gear. Shows just how good he is.[/QUOTE]
That is because "Street Level" was not originally meant to be a classification for power levels. Instead being the type of crime they face. Spider-Man for example is in terms of power would be more so higher Mid Tier but he takes down muggers and bank robbers on the regular.
In terms of Cap V. T'Challa Physically Cap I believe has been shown to be more advance. While T'Challa on the other hand is slightly more precise and willing to go places/ do things Cap won't in a fight.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3688479]I honestly liked it. Him barely speaking, and largely just beating people up was kinda cool. I wouldn't want him always written that way. But it was kinda fun in this context.[/QUOTE]
It's funny how T'Challa barely speaking and the plot being action-heavy are considered strong points in so many of these reviews, because, to me, it looks more like Coates is making Acuña do all the heavy lifting on the storytelling. :D