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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;75020]That would have been a very bad idea for Cap and the other Avengers. They would have had to bring everyone with them.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention they'd be invading a foreign land.
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And even if they did invade, what the hell are they gonna do? Lock up the smartest guys on the planet and let the earth be destroyed? That's what's so stupid about Cap right now, he's angry but isn't offering ANY other possible means of surviving.
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[QUOTE=wisesonAC;75037]Thanks!! Is that your lcs? And when I quoted you did you get a notification? Because I don't for some reason and it's a pain to guess when people reply to me all the time.[/QUOTE]
I've been there a few times in the past but it's not my go to comic shop.
As for notifications i never get them when other people reply to my posts.
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;75040]Not to mention they'd be invading a foreign land.
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And even if they did invade, what the hell are they gonna do? Lock up the smartest guys on the planet and let the earth be destroyed? That's what's so stupid about Cap right now, he's angry but isn't offering ANY other possible means of surviving.[/QUOTE]
That's why I say that t here should be some Avengers who agree with the Illuminati on this. If they're all gonna stand there and rail on these guys because they mind wiped Cap while trying to come up with ways to save two planets plus a universe(s), then mind wipe them all. And they all agreed that the nuclear option is the last resort.
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I swear I wasn't seeing half these complaints when it was a Dr Strange centric issue a few months back.
I think I should just avoid NA threads like I did when I first joined this site.
Now off to the comic store to pick up my books.
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[QUOTE=UltimateTy;75300]I swear I wasn't seeing half these complaints when it was a Dr Strange centric issue a few months back.
I think I should just avoid NA threads like I did when I first joined this site.
Now off to the comic store to pick up my books.[/QUOTE]
Black Bolt got major time as well. You can't please everyone.
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What's funny is it wasn't that long ago that a bunch of us where saying the recent issues weren't focusing much on T'Challa and that we were ok with that because it's a team book and we understood other characters needed the spotlight.
The main complaints i saw in here was about pace and focusing too much on other universes...but whatever it is what it is.
I just hope we actually get to SEE the fight against the Justice Society.
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;74179]I haven't bought New Avengers since issue #9 but if Hickman has Black Panther kill Namor I'll buy up the back issues and jump right back in!
Do it Hickman... DO IT!!! :cool:[/QUOTE]
I would be totally shocked if Namor is indeed killed. That being said I love the fact Hickman is showing how similar both characters have become. One note..a Namor fan said T'challa is learning what Namor has known for years, Well yeah T'challa is a young King he isn't as old as Namor.
Moral quandary.
Marvel books I'm getting : New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, Ms. Marvel, Captain Marvel, Young Avengers, Ghost Rider, Moon Knight
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Gotta wait till friday to get my books. OOOOoooo the anticipation!! lol
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Well T'challa is supposed to find out that Thanos' lap dog sold out the Illuminati soon. [I]Hopefully[/I] he listens to T'chaka and blows him out of existence before the end of the year.
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[QUOTE=Moose100;75647]Gotta wait till friday to get my books. OOOOoooo the anticipation!! lol[/QUOTE]
Why wait till Friday. :cool:
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;75841]Well T'challa is supposed to find out that Thanos' lap dog sold out the Illuminati soon. [I]Hopefully[/I] he listens to T'chaka and blows him out of existence before the end of the year.[/QUOTE]
It won't go down like that.
Namor will beat T'Challa and have plea for peace Doomwar style.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;75868]It won't go down like that.
Namor will beat T'Challa and have plea for peace Doomwar style.[/QUOTE]
Sigh. Priest would have had him 86 Namor after that first fight with Terrax when Namor did absolutely nothing.
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One other thing that is festering in my mind...
How does the Reed/T'challa relationship going ot play out? There HAS to be a reason Hickman mentioned that Reed and T'challa were linked back in F4. HAS to be a reason. He knew what he was doing way back then obviously.
But I have no clue what that could actually mean in actuality.
I can't wait for the GS/Illuminati fight. I hope it further establishes that T'challa is super human now.
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;74845][B]well we got the name of at least one.[/B]...
I also would have liked to have see a female Black Panther.[/QUOTE]
Which one was named?
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Haven't read the full issues yet, but got a break down of it. Seems people are getting a little bent out of shape over some of the Avengers issues today. I'm not sure why.
Wakanda has generally followed Lifeboat Ethics in reference to themselves vs the outside world. And historically speaking their practices aren't irregular compared to other governments/empires.
Marvel's kind of pushed the envelope a little bit from what Wakanda use to be back when Stan and Jack created it. Heck or even from Priest's run. Still a little skeptical of where Marvel is taking T'Challa the past 6 years or so they've been really breaking him down.
Put me in T'Chaka's camp T'Challa should have at least tried to kill Namor. There's always some reality ending, earth ending catastrophe that will be dealt with. T'Challa should kill Namor or die trying after that AvX slaughter, regardless of the circumstances they should not be working together. I stand by that till Marvel pulls a New 52 reboot.
Also I still want this BP back
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;74580]Anyway...
It seems like Shuri fits in more with the old kings than does current T'challa.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for saying that, because its the damn ugly truth.
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[QUOTE=Leo Raine;73732]Seems like the advice T'Challa received just brought him back to the beginning of all this instead of offering something new. It's funny how over in Avengers #29 they make this even more obvious by recapping Captain America's last conversation with the Illuminati.
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Fast forward several incursions and either T'Challa forgot he said that or this whole thing is changing his values. Otherwise I don't see why he had to call that meeting. Seems like the past Panthers didn't either since their response was basically [spoil]Of course you better kill that whole bootleg Justice League if Wakanda's in danger. And why is the fish still breathing?!"[/spoil][/QUOTE]
Tchalla has had to walk a very fine tight rope for awhile. Just because he knows the truth of his responsibilities doesnt mean that he fully accepts it. If the world dies than Wakanda goes with it, so he isnt always in conflict with the truth of his role.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;77205]Thank you for saying that, because its the damn ugly truth.[/QUOTE]
T'challa doesn't try to be like the old kings though. Not even like his father.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;77310]T'challa doesn't try to be like the old kings though. Not even like his father.[/QUOTE]
More fool him.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;77310]T'challa doesn't try to be like the old kings though. Not even like his father.[/QUOTE]
That has been clear since his many trips out of Wakanda before he became king and when he cut back on the extreme isolationist when he got the crown( heavy is the head that wears it and all that )
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i dont think its reasonable for wakanda to stay a isolationist country in the modern age. definitely have to respect the elder panthers wisdom. but times change and what was right 100 years ago wont always work in a modern age
also really enjoyed the comparisons to how wakanda has acted over the years to how america has treated its foreign policy at times.
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[QUOTE=FriendRoss;78230]i dont think its reasonable for wakanda to stay a isolationist country in the modern age. definitely have to respect the elder panthers wisdom. but times change and what was right 100 years ago wont always work in a modern age
also really enjoyed the comparisons to how wakanda has acted over the years to how america has treated its foreign policy at times.[/QUOTE]
I've always been an advocate for Wakanda opening its borders. But in the same vein I like the mystical aspects. Perhaps making the surrounding area so difficult to survive that those who wish to visit--have to fight through some insane terrain and creatures to get there.
The one thing I didnt like in recent issues is how easy it was for invaders to just show up in the jungle and penetrate Wakandan defenses..
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So far so good. =
But... Emma with telepathy again? Wut?
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Mike Deodato is such an amazing artist. And whats this?..Jason Aaron writing in character dialogue.
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[QUOTE=ExcelsiorPrime;78372]Mike Deodato is such an amazing artist. And whats this?..Jason Aaron writing in character dialogue.[/QUOTE]
Looks like he may be in Thor: God of Thunder mode instead ot WatXM mode.
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[QUOTE=ExcelsiorPrime;78372]Mike Deodato is such an amazing artist. And whats this?..Jason Aaron writing in character dialogue.[/QUOTE]
hands down my favorite artists going right now
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I think an important part of the identity of Wakanda in comics is being isolationist. The Black Panther is this mysterious leader from this mysterious rich African country nobody knows anything about about because nobody can go there. I think that is more compelling Wakanda just being a rich African country. Also the world has nothing to offer Wakanda. They are ahead of the world technologically. The end to isolationism would get Wakanda tied up in world politics and world conflict which would then take away resources that probably be used to continue Wakanda's development.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;77363]More fool him.[/QUOTE]
Dear old dad's ways didn't work out too well for him, either.
Dude's dead after all.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;78707]Dear old dad's ways didn't work out too well for him, either.
Dude's dead after all.[/QUOTE]
Truth.
I am glad Wakanda is no longer, "we are superior to all leave us alone we won't help you you don't help us"
T'challa should still put Wakanda first... and he is. Saving the universe = saving Wakanda.
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[QUOTE=Zuri;78477]I think an important part of the identity of Wakanda in comics is being isolationist. The Black Panther is this mysterious leader from this mysterious rich African country nobody knows anything about about because nobody can go there. I think that is more compelling Wakanda just being a rich African country. Also the world has nothing to offer Wakanda. They are ahead of the world technologically. The end to isolationism would get Wakanda tied up in world politics and world conflict which would then take away resources that probably be used to continue Wakanda's development.[/QUOTE]
It would also open up Wakanda for inclusion in more stories from different marvel writters. Wakanda cannot stay isolated and expct to be involved more in the workings of the Marvel universe. T'challa is supposed to be that change. I want a wakanda that inserts it's opinions on world events that have potential to effect Wakanda instead of staying hidden away. I want T'challa to develop that Wakandan space program and take talented wakandans outside the walls to explore and grow as characters. More exposure and openness breeds more stories and opportunities.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;78707]Dear old dad's ways didn't work out too well for him, either.
Dude's dead after all.[/QUOTE]
regardless of which version you choose T'Challa's dad is dead because he dealt with outsiders.
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;78912]regardless of which version you choose T'Challa's dad is dead because he dealt with outsiders.[/QUOTE]
Toon T'Chaka lost a tribal challenge to M'Baku (who cheated to win).
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;79004]Toon T'Chaka lost a tribal challenge to M'Baku (who cheated to win).[/QUOTE]
Klaw still Played a role in his murder
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Original Sins #2 cover. YAY!
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[QUOTE=Ekie;78875]It would also open up Wakanda for inclusion in more stories from different marvel writers. Wakanda cannot stay isolated and expct to be involved more in the workings of the Marvel universe. T'challa is supposed to be that change. I want a wakanda that inserts it's opinions on world events that have potential to effect Wakanda instead of staying hidden away. I want T'challa to develop that Wakandan space program and take talented wakandans outside the walls to explore and grow as characters. More exposure and openness breeds more stories and opportunities.[/QUOTE]
Why? would it need to open up to be used in more stories? T'challa knows almost all the major heroes so it would not be strange for any of them to end up in Wakanda helping him or his sister out and for complex secret team type stories the heroes could be in Wakanda illegally trying to save the day before they are discovered, stories about Wakandan Mutants or Inhumans etc... there are lots of scenarios where an isolationist Wakanda can be involved with the wider Marvel world Its just up to the writers to use it in their books.
Also Wakanda already involves itself in world events that effect it. In Hudlin's run the Wakandan Secret service was compared to Mossad so they are very much active in protecting their interests internationally. I think there is a Wakandan Space program from Priests run those N'Yami battle cruisers go into low orbit when they travel long distances, this indicates to me that Wakandan scientists are familiar with space travel.
Isolationism does not prevent Wakandans from leavening Wakanda and exploring the outside world Onome's recruitment into the FF is a good example of this. Writers just have to want to use Wakandan characters in their stories.
I see T'challa as a guardian of Wakandian culture even more so as KOTD, so i don't see turning away from the isolationism that has served his people well for a thousand years.
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[QUOTE=UltimateTy;79034]Klaw still Played a role in his murder[/QUOTE]
But in that case T'Chaka wasn't the guy dealing with outsiders. The Wakandans can
fence the rest of the world out. But not all of them will be willing to fence themselves in.
Especially if there is something they can get out of dealing with outsiders.
If allying themselves with Hydra or Ultron will get M'Baku or Killmonger the throne, they will do it. If you're from M'Baku's tribe T'Chaka's oppressing your religious freedom anyway, so you have got all the justification you need.
If everybody loved T'Chaka, he wouldn't have needed a secret police.
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I would like to point out that every time Wakanda opens it's borders things like Doomwar and Hell's Kitchen happen!
The way Priest did things was better and now that Disney money is in the picture it would be best to see how that works with billions of dollars backing it now instead of no money backing it then!
There is nothing wrong with returning to the dry well once it has been filled back up to the brim with more water... All Marvel character return time and again to the old tried and true formulas in comics, cartoons and cinema!
Isolation and xenophobia gives Wakanda it's identity, character and an edge... If it's open to everyone it becomes the Disneyland of the Marvel universe which loses it's overall mystery and hidden wonders!
Rogues Gallery beats Ensemble casts each and every time... Hanging with Emma is cool for now but at some point you have to sell toys in your own franchise to proof your franchise's intellectual property value is truly up!
This guy should have his image and likeness on a Reverend Achebe toy ASAP... "Look at me... Look at me... I'm the captain now!"
[video=youtube_share;bjfMVqL344Y]http://youtu.be/bjfMVqL344Y[/video]
And let's get started on this Killmonger toy like right now... I want a matching statue for one of my Black Panther statues!
[url]http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=63348[/url]
I have already cast Majestic as Moses Magnum... (See Post Pics of Yourself Thread) :cool:
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;79105]I would like to point out that every time Wakanda opens it's borders things like Doomwar and Hell's Kitchen happen!
The way Priest did things was better and now that Disney money is in the picture it would be best to see how that works with billions of dollars backing it now instead of no money backing it then!
There is nothing wrong with returning to the dry well once it has been filled back up to the brim with more water... All Marvel character return time and again to the old tried and true formulas in comics, cartoons and cinema!
Isolation and xenophobia gives Wakanda it's identity, character and an edge... If it's open to everyone it becomes the Disneyland of the Marvel universe which loses it's overall mystery and hidden wonders!
Rogues Gallery beats Ensemble casts each and every time... Hanging with Emma is cool for now but at some point you have to sell toys in your own franchise to proof your franchise's intellectual property value is truly up!
This guy should have his image and likeness on a Reverend Achebe toy ASAP... "Look at me... Look at me... I'm the captain now!"
[video=youtube_share;bjfMVqL344Y]http://youtu.be/bjfMVqL344Y[/video]
And let's get started on this Killmonger toy like right now... I want a matching statue for one of my Black Panther statues!
[url]http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=63348[/url]
I have already cast Majestic as Moses Magnum... (See Post Pics of Yourself Thread) :cool:[/QUOTE]
I agree with you 100% and Barkhad Abdi would made a great Achebe in a BP movie
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Flex, more Wakanda and Jabari the Brave won't get a B.P book more readership.
Wakanda and Jabari the Brave didn't get Reg his sales numbers.
Storm, Civil War and Dark Reign did.
When Reg's B.P went back to Africa the sales took a nosedive. Learn from Geoff Johns Aquaman who had to be dragged kicking and screaming in story to Altantis because Geoff Johns knew damn well he couldn't sell the concept.
And if Geoff Johns can't sell something, that is a hint and a half that it probably can't be sold in this market at all.
The guy turned Hal Jordan into a moneymaker, for God's sake.
Dude's practically a miracle worker.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;79189]Flex, more Wakanda and Jabari the Brave won't get a B.P book more readership.
Wakanda and Jabari the Brave didn't get Reg his sales numbers.
Storm, Civil War and Dark Reign did.
When Reg's B.P went back to Africa the sales took a nosedive. Learn from Geoff Johns Aquaman who had to be dragged kicking and screaming in story to Altantis because Geoff Johns knew damn well he couldn't sell the concept.
And if Geoff Johns can't sell something, that is a hint and a half that it probably can't be sold in this market at all.
The guy turned Hal Jordan into a moneymaker, for God's sake.
Dude's practically a miracle worker.[/QUOTE]
I really hate the idea that stories set in Africa with Africans is unmarketable. I mean, I know comic book fans can be xenophobic, but that's just incredibly messed up.
They can be, but as you brought up, you need to make sure what happens there has consequences within the rest of the Marvel Universe as well.