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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1595774]Very very true. Lots of good stuff going on at the on-set with that conflict. Lots of political intrigue in there, which I like a lot. Could've been a "Sturm Und Drang" type of story too.
Also curious on who wanted Shuri out of the throne, and for what specific reasons as well. Looks like she may have been ruffling feathers here and there.[/QUOTE]
Judging from what Namor said, the people who wanted Shuri off the throne seemingly wanted T'Challa on it instead. Namor referred to her as a pretender keeping the throne warm... presumably keeping it warm for the person who normally sits on it.
Obviously this is all just speculation, and the source of it isn't necessarily all that reliable. Namor could just be making it all up or he could flat out be wrong. It's never been followed up on, and at this point I suppose is moot since the people who wanted Shuri off the throne seemingly are getting their wish.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1595998]Judging from what Namor said, the people who wanted Shuri off the throne seemingly wanted T'Challa on it instead. Namor referred to her as a pretender keeping the throne warm... presumably keeping it warm for the person who normally sits on it.
Obviously this is all just speculation, and the source of it isn't necessarily all that reliable. Namor could just be making it all up or he could flat out be wrong. It's never been followed up on, and at this point I suppose is moot since the people who wanted Shuri off the throne seemingly are getting their wish.[/QUOTE]
That's very broad though. Why did they prefer having T'Challa in the throne over Shuri? Was it a policy decision she made? Her approach to politics? Did she ally herself with a certain group of people? Did she shun alliances alltogether?
These are questions, among others, that could've been answered in a tie-in to the story.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1596022]That's very broad though. Why did they prefer having T'Challa in the throne over Shuri? Was it a policy decision she made? Her approach to politics? Did she ally herself with a certain group of people? Did she shun alliances alltogether?
These are questions, among others, that could've been answered in a tie-in to the story.[/QUOTE]
Coulda, but I think only a handful of people really care you know? lol
I mean, Shuri got the title because T'challa was in a coma and hurt. Not only is he no longer hurt, but also has Bast's blessing as well which returned his super powers.
So... the true heir to the Wakandan throne and BP title is fully healthy and stronger than ever... could easily see people on "the council" being like... why the hell is Shuri still in place?
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1596022]That's very broad though. Why did they prefer having T'Challa in the throne over Shuri? Was it a policy decision she made? Her approach to politics? Did she ally herself with a certain group of people? Did she shun all alliances together?
These are questions, among others, that could've been answered in a tie-in to the story.[/QUOTE]
Again we can only speculate... but I think most would agree T'Challa is a smarter more experienced ruler. Whether or not that makes him a BETTER ruler is debatable, but he looks better on paper. He's also the more powerful of the two and likely the better warrior... for a warrior culture that might be as big a factor in some as intelligence and experience.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1596032]Coulda, but I think only a handful of people really care you know? lol
I mean, Shuri got the title because T'challa was in a coma and hurt. Not only is he no longer hurt, but also has Bast's blessing as well which returned his super powers.
So... the true heir to the Wakandan throne and BP title is fully healthy and stronger than ever... could easily see people on "the council" being like... why the hell is Shuri still in place?[/QUOTE]
Since T'Challa actually awake from his coma before Shuri was even officially make Black Panther, I do honestly think they should have just waited for T'Challa's health to recover rather than stripping him of the mantle. It didn't take T'Challa that long to get back on his feet, and even though he was hurt you could frankly make the arguement that T'Challa from a wheel chair was still a more capable ruler than Shuri.
I'm not trying to diss Shuri here, and in SOME ways I feel Shuri proved to be a better ruler for Wakanda because of T'Challa's knack for sometimes prioritizing other things above his throne, but really it just makes sense that a lot of people would be feeling exactly the way Namor described. That she was really just keeping the throne warn for him. And seemingly those people ended up being right.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1596032]Coulda, but I think only a handful of people really care you know? lol[/QUOTE]
That depends. Like any story, if it's done well, people will care. At the very least, we would care, being that, by default, T'Challa and Wakanda are involved. It can be an interesting sub-plot to the BP-Namor situation.
[QUOTE]I mean, Shuri got the title because T'challa was in a coma and hurt. Not only is he no longer hurt, but also has Bast's blessing as well which returned his super powers.
So... the true heir to the Wakandan throne and BP title is fully healthy and stronger than ever... could easily see people on "the council" being like... why the hell is Shuri still in place?[/QUOTE]
She might still be there because she's doing a good job? Or has the right political people on her side? Or T'Challa ultimately decided not to go back to the throne? Who knows? Point is, the BP-Namor situation could've been a great tie-in to New Avengers. For BP fans, it could've been a great look at the inner workings on Wakandan Politics with lots of political intrigue many great BP arcs have had previously.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1596063]for BP fans, it could've been a great look at the inner workings on Wakandan Politics with lots of political intrigue many great BP arcs have had previously.[/QUOTE]
That is what I was saying... only "crazy" die hard BP fans would care haha.
Of course we'd read it :D
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[QUOTE=XPac;1596046]Since T'Challa actually awake from his coma before Shuri was even officially make Black Panther, I do honestly think they should have just waited for T'Challa's health to recover rather than stripping him of the mantle. It didn't take T'Challa that long to get back on his feet, and even though he was hurt you could frankly make the arguement that T'Challa from a wheel chair was still a more capable ruler than Shuri.
I'm not trying to diss Shuri here, and in SOME ways I feel Shuri proved to be a better ruler for Wakanda because of T'Challa's knack for sometimes prioritizing other things above his throne, but really it just makes sense that a lot of people would be feeling exactly the way Namor described. That she was really just keeping the throne warn for him. And seemingly those people ended up being right.[/QUOTE]
That they felt that she kept the throne warm is one thing, and that's perfectly natural for some to think so. She just got it and T'Challa is still around. I was more curious on why she had many "enemies" as Namor described it. We have no idea why that is the case. Unfortunately, that wasn't touched much upon. Same thing with what makes T'Challa a better leader than Shuri. It is somewhat implied, but not really touch on thoroughly for the reader. And, based on what happened in New Avengers, even that is a matter of opinion.
As for T'Challa losing his position, for future reference it should be stated that the title of the Black Panther is passed only if the current Black Panther passes away or is permanently incapacitated. Also, have Shuri have her own suit, similar to the armored one from Doomwar, that gives her the ability to fight against superpowered beings. She can get the title of Princess Regent in case of emergency and has the means to protect herself and her country without having to become a Black Panther unless its absolutely necessary.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1596076]That is what I was saying... only "crazy" die hard BP fans would care haha.
Of course we'd read it :D[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure. Historically, Black Panther tie-ins have sold quite well (Civil war, Initiative, Dark Reign, Secret Invasion, etc). I think it would've done fine, especially with good promo.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1596085]That they felt that she kept the throne warm is one thing, and that's perfectly natural for some to think so. She just got it and T'Challa is still around. I was more curious on why she had many "enemies" has Namor described it. We have no idea why that is the case. Unfortunately, that wasn't touched much upon. Same thing with what makes T'Challa a better leader than Shuri. It is somewhat implied, but not really touch on thoroughly for the reader. And, based on what happened in New Avengers, even that is a matter of opinion.
As for T'Challa losing his position, for future reference it should be stated that the title of the Black Panther is passed only if the current Black Panther passes away or is permanently incapacitated. Also, have Shuri have her own suit, similar to the armored one from Doomwar, that gives her the ability to fight against superpowered beings. She can get the title of Princess Regent in case of emergency and has the means to protect herself and her country without having to become a Black Panther unless its absolutely necessary.
In any case, T'Challa[/QUOTE]
As far as Shuri having enemies... I think that's just how it is in fictional monarchies. We've seen at least a half dozen coups against T'Challa too. It's the Game of Thrones sort of thing.
I think there were a lot of little things in Hickman's run which potentially could have been fleshed out more elsewhere. Certainly a lot of elements revolving around Shuri and Atlantis. I'm sure a lot of X folks wish the stuff about Scott and his X Nation would have been addressed more thoroughly somewhere as well.
I think because Hickman was essentially telling a company wide story in 2 books, we were only told what we needed to know. By Time Runs Out it wasn't even really an Avengers story... it was literally a story about the entire Marvel Universe. Time Runs Out was almost an event until itself, but with no other books tying into it because of the 8 month time jump.
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Even though it's a Hindi word I think Shuri should just go by "Bagheera" since it sounds cool and most people already know of Bagheera as a black panther from Jungle Book, or "Panthera" since Panthera Pardus Pardus is the species name for the African Leopard.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1596100]As far as Shuri having enemies... I think that's just how it is in fictional monarchies. We've seen at least a half dozen coups against T'Challa too. It's the Game of Thrones sort of thing.
I think there were a lot of little things in Hickman's run which potentially could have been fleshed out more elsewhere. Certainly a lot of elements revolving around Shuri and Atlantis. I'm sure a lot of X folks wish the stuff about Scott and his X Nation would have been addressed more thoroughly somewhere as well.
I think because Hickman was essentially telling a company wide story in 2 books, we were only told what we needed to know. By Time Runs Out it wasn't even really an Avengers story... it was literally a story about the entire Marvel Universe. Time Runs Out was almost an event until itself, but with no other books tying into it because of the 8 month time jump.[/QUOTE]
Yea, the main story didn't have to too much into the BP-Namor situation. It had more than enough on its plate as is. Hence why I wished there was a tie-in to get a closer look into it.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1596085] Same thing with what makes T'Challa a better leader than Shuri.[/QUOTE]
On paper, he is infinitely smarter, has better combat feats for sure (so you could say he is a stronger warrior), much more experienced, better "worldview" in a sense that he was sent out of Wakanda for schooling and such (I don't believe Shuri was but I could be wrong, can't remember), has been trained since birth to rule, and he has a ton more "connections" to the super hero world in general.
Once again, that is on paper. Of course, him mixing with the super hero world also leads to stuff like AvX, him being gone for extended periods of time it seems, Thanos invasion, ect. Shuri doesn't have those problems which has its obvious advantages.
But... T'challa is the prodigal son.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1596100]
I think because Hickman was essentially telling a company wide story in 2 books, we were only told what we needed to know. By Time Runs Out it wasn't even really an Avengers story... it was literally a story about the entire Marvel Universe. Time Runs Out was almost an event until itself, but with no other books tying into it because of the 8 month time jump.[/QUOTE]
Yep. Hickman's NA/Av run is essentially a 4 year long event comic. Only reason Av/Na were "seperate" books after TRO is because people would get hot and bothered if they released "Avengers" 3x a month lol
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1596116]On paper, he is infinitely smarter, has better combat feats for sure (so you could say he is a stronger warrior), much more experienced, better "worldview" in a sense that he was sent out of Wakanda for schooling and such (I don't believe Shuri was but I could be wrong, can't remember), has been trained since birth to rule, and he has a ton more "connections" to the super hero world in general.
Once again, that is on paper. Of course, him mixing with the super hero world also leads to stuff like AvX, him being gone for extended periods of time it seems, Thanos invasion, ect. Shuri doesn't have those problems which has its obvious advantages.
But... T'challa is the prodigal son.[/QUOTE]
Shuri received schooling in Wakanda while T'Challa went abroad instead, correct. They both received the same training to rule. T'Challa beat her to it, which is a testament of his skills.
I see it more as they have different styles of governing. Indeed, because of T'Challa's bigger "worldview" of things (which is a good thing) his super hero connects and his intellect, he operates and thus governs in a certain way. Meanwhile Shuri is more the traditional, more "pro-wakanda" of the two (which isn't a bad thing) relies much more on the connects in her country it appears.
Though on paper T'Challa is smarter, has more experience, and had more feats, has that made him a flat out better leader than Shuri? We honestly don't know. Again, it appears to be implied. Outside of a few issues here and there, Shuri's rule hasn't really been touched on much. And despite T'Challa's intellect, feats and experience, he has recently made some costly mistakes / controversial decisions, some of them we've debated in this thread ad naseaum.
The tie-in could've cleared the air, but alas...
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1595779]Much respect Maj. There's a surprisingly high amount of material out there of T'Challa and Ororo online. Might as well share it in that thread.
Their coupling is probably be more popular than a lot of us may think.[/QUOTE]
Well of course, Its generally the complainers who make the most noise about things. Their coupling helped both characters out, I remember people talking about how before the wedding of the century, Ororo didn't get much use in X-men books besides maybe minor appearances, but then after the marriage the X- office startd claiming they wanted to use her and had all this interest in incorporating her into the stories at the time.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1596161]Well of course, Its generally the complainers who make the most noise about things. Their coupling helped both characters out, I remember people talking about how before the wedding of the century, Ororo didn't get much use in X-men books besides maybe minor appearances, but then after the marriage the X- office startd claiming they wanted to use her and had all this interest in incorporating her into the stories at the time.[/QUOTE]
Hah! Don't get me started on that complaint. Some of those fans rather have her in the B-team of the X-men or on the bench than being the Queen of the most advanced nation in the Marvel universe, with all the perks that accompany that title. Really, really weird lol.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1596153]Shuri received schooling in Wakanda while T'Challa went abroad instead, correct. They both received the same training to rule. T'Challa beat her to it, which is a testament of his skills.
I see it more as they have different styles of governing. Indeed, because of T'Challa's bigger "worldview" of things (which is a good thing) his super hero connects and his intellect, he operates and thus governs in a certain way. Meanwhile Shuri is more the traditional, more "pro-wakanda" of the two (which isn't a bad thing) relies much more on the connects in her country it appears.[/quote]
Yeah
One thing that I think gets glossed over is the fact T'chaka SENT T'challa out of Wakanda for schooling. T'challa was always supposed to be more than your standard Wakandan king. He is supposed to be MORE than his ancestors. He was trained/schooled to be DIFFERENT.
So him defying the past Panthers really isn't that OOC imo. He isn't them, he wasn't trained to be them, he was trained to be better by his own freaking dad (the same dad that scolds him in force ghost mode).
Shuri wasn't Shuri is like the past panthers because she was trained to be that way. it makes much more since for her to be 100%, wakanda only matters type of leader. [quote]
Though on paper T'Challa is smarter, has more experience, and had more feats, has that made him a flat out better leader than Shuri? We honestly don't know. Again, it appears to be implied. Outside of a few issues here and there, Shuri's rule hasn't really been touched on much. And despite T'Challa's intellect, feats and experience, he has recently made some costly mistakes / controversial decisions, some of them we've debated in this thread ad naseaum.
The tie-in could've cleared the air, but alas...[/QUOTE]
yeah that is why I kept saying on-paper over and over.
T'challa is more "protect the world" while Shuri is "protect Wakanda." And that puts Wakanda on the front lines a lot...
(that, and its basic story telling that kingdoms get attacked lol)
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1596167]Hah! Don't get me started on that complaint. Some of those fans rather have her in the B-team of the X-men or on the bench than being the Queen of the most advanced nation in the Marvel universe, with all the perks that accompany that title. Really, really weird lol.[/QUOTE]
Internet X-fans are weird
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1596203]Yeah
One thing that I think gets glossed over is the fact T'chaka SENT T'challa out of Wakanda for schooling. T'challa was always supposed to be more than your standard Wakandan king. He is supposed to be MORE than his ancestors. He was trained/schooled to be DIFFERENT.
So him defying the past Panthers really isn't that OOC imo. He isn't them, he wasn't trained to be them, he was trained to be better by his own freaking dad (the same dad that scolds him in force ghost mode). [/QUOTE]
Without trying to rehash the topic, him going against the panthers wasn't my biggest issue. It's that, as written on New Avengers, he basically tried to be like the previous panthers when he knew very well he obviously wasn't built like that. Which made him look silly at that point. I feel in character, he really would've tried to find another way besides the bomb. Even if ultimately, that way was doomed to fail anyway.
Once the path of using the bomb was chosen, it simply had to be used or else its over. The previous panthers, and especially T'Chaka as his father, were right to scold him for that.
[QUOTE]Shuri wasn't Shuri is like the past panthers because she was trained to be that way. it makes much more since for her to be 100%, wakanda only matters type of leader.
yeah that is why I kept saying on-paper over and over.
T'challa is more "protect the world" while Shuri is "protect Wakanda." And that puts Wakanda on the front lines a lot...
(that, and its basic story telling that kingdoms get attacked lol)[/QUOTE]
Pretty much. Both approaches have their advantages and drawbacks.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1596204]Internet X-fans are weird[/QUOTE]
Yea, I did not know they could be like that. Def not all of them of course, but man....
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1596153]Shuri received schooling in Wakanda while T'Challa went abroad instead, correct. They both received the same training to rule. T'Challa beat her to it, which is a testament of his skills.
I see it more as they have different styles of governing. Indeed, because of T'Challa's bigger "worldview" of things (which is a good thing) his super hero connects and his intellect, he operates and thus governs in a certain way. Meanwhile Shuri is more the traditional, more "pro-wakanda" of the two (which isn't a bad thing) relies much more on the connects in her country it appears.
Though on paper T'Challa is smarter, has more experience, and had more feats, has that made him a flat out better leader than Shuri? We honestly don't know. Again, it appears to be implied. Outside of a few issues here and there, Shuri's rule hasn't really been touched on much. And despite T'Challa's intellect, feats and experience, he has recently made some costly mistakes / controversial decisions, some of them we've debated in this thread ad naseaum.
The tie-in could've cleared the air, but alas...[/QUOTE]
Ultimately I think what Namor said is essentially how Marvel looked at it... Shuri was just keeping the throne warm.
Personally I liked the situation of Shuri being on the throne while T'Challa was free of such obligations so that he could play super hero with his buddies stateside to his hearts content. To me that was a win-win situation. But I think ultimately being King was just T'Challa's thing. Shuri did as good or better than most expected her to do... but ultimately king of Wakanda was the role T'Challa was literally created for. Shuri was always on the clock sitting on the throne. That's just how it is... even though again I sort of liked her being on it.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1596204]Internet X-fans are weird[/QUOTE]
In all fairness though, I think a sort of anti-Storm vibe started to build up steam on the BP side of things too. To some degree at least. I'll admit there were days where I felt I was the only person that still liked Storm on this thread.
I think in the end the marriage rather than uniting the fan bases like ideally I imagine marvel wanted when they got married in the first place ended up putting them at odds. All of that can essentially be attributed to marvel not really handling the marriage well unfortunately. They gave us some nice moments, but I think unfortunately towards the end the marriage actually started making the characters look bad. Again, that's on marvel but the point being a lot of complainers I think started having valid complaints.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1596223]Ultimately I think what Namor said is essentially how Marvel looked at it... Shuri was just keeping the throne warm.
Personally I liked the situation of Shuri being on the throne while T'Challa was free of such obligations so that he could play super hero with his buddies stateside to his hearts content. To me that was a win-win situation. But I think ultimately being King was just T'Challa's thing. Shuri did as good or better than most expected her to do... but ultimately king of Wakanda was the role T'Challa was literally created for. Shuri was always on the clock sitting on the throne. That's just how it is... even though again I sort of liked her being on it.[/QUOTE]
Well, they could've expressed (what could've been) their feelings on a tie-in and make money out of it (without pulling an AvX) and we may have had some great content out of it. Win-win.:cool:
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1596219]Without trying to rehash the topic, him going against the panthers wasn't my biggest issue. It's that, as written on New Avengers, he basically tried to be like the previous panthers when he knew very well he obviously wasn't built like that. Which made him look silly at that point. I feel in character, he really would've tried to find another way besides the bomb. Even if ultimately, that way was doomed to fail anyway.
Once the path of using the bomb was chosen, it simply had to be used or else its over. The previous panthers, and especially T'Chaka as his father, were right to scold him for that.
Pretty much. Both approaches have their advantages and drawbacks.[/QUOTE]
In all fairness the Illluminati DID try and find other ways besides the bombs. The idea was really the bombs would be used if there was no other alternative. The problem really stemmed from T'Challa and the rest of them (apart from Namor obviously) being able to compromise their principals and use the bombs if no other options could be found.
And I can't entirely fault them for that. It's not hard to imagine a person being unable to murder billions of innocent people for any reason. I can't say I entirely agree with what T'Challa did at THAT point in time... but I understand it.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1596250]In all fairness the Illluminati DID try and find other ways besides the bombs. The idea was really the bombs would be used if there was no other alternative. The problem really stemmed from T'Challa and the rest of them (apart from Namor obviously) being able to compromise their principals and use the bombs if no other options could be found.
And I can't entirely fault them for that. It's not hard to imagine a person being unable to murder billions of innocent people for any reason. I can't say I entirely agree with what T'Challa did at THAT point in time... but I understand it.[/QUOTE]
That's my point. He wouldn't compromise. He would've (and should've) left the illuminati just like he did last time. The situation was simply way over their heads.
I understand the others trying to compromise, as they literally never had to make a decision that is anywhere close of this magnitude in their lives. They may be superheroes but they are civilians. They don't know what its like to be constantly be responsible for the lives of people on a daily basis.
Namor, T'Challa, and Black Bolt? Heads of states who've had to do something like it, albeit at a much smaller scale. T'Challa should've made a decision and, unless something major pops up, stick by it. Either use the bomb, or find another way.
Like his decision or not, Namor acted like someone who was once a head of state. T'Challa? As written? Nope.
One more day till Ultimates. New conversations and complaints on the way. :cool:
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1596264]That's my point. He wouldn't compromise. He would've (and should've) left the illuminati just like he did last time. The situation was simply way over their heads.
I understand the others trying to compromise, as they literally never had to make a decision that is anywhere close of this magnitude in their lives. They may be superheroes but they are civilians. They don't know what its like to be constantly be responsible for the lives of people on a daily basis.
Namor, T'Challa, and Black Bolt? Heads of states who've had to do something like it, albeit at a much smaller scale. T'Challa should've made a decision and, unless something major pops up, stick by it. Either use the bomb, or find another way.
Like his decision or not, Namor acted like someone who was once a head of state. T'Challa? As written? Nope.
One more day till Ultimates. New conversations and complaints on the way. :cool:[/QUOTE]
All very true...
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Once again... he leaves the Illuminati and goes.......????? The illuminati roster was filled with the best of the best. Only person missing was Doom. If T'challa went to Doom for help this thread would have exploded.
[QUOTE=Realdealholy;1596264]
Namor, T'Challa, and Black Bolt? Heads of states who've had to do something like it, albeit but at a much much much more smaller scale.[/QUOTE]
such an impossibly smaller scale it really isn't relevant IMO.
Straight up destorying a Skrull army and sending their bodyparts back to Skrullworld? Sure, cool beans.
Blowing up billions of INNOCENT people... that is so, so, so, so different.
buttttttttttttttttttttttt.... One more day then we can move on right!? lol. And then next week is SW #7 so... could be a good couple weeks of new convo lol
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1596274]Once again... he leaves the Illuminati and goes.......?????[/QUOTE]
Anywhere, lol! To Wakanda, to Doom, anywhere but where he was.
Yes, some people wouldn't like him going to Doom, but even that would've been in character compared to what we got.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1596274]such an impossibly smaller scale it really isn't relevant IMO.
Straight up destorying a Skrull army and sending their bodyparts back to Skrullworld? Sure, cool beans.
Blowing up billions of INNOCENT people... that is so, so, so, so different. [/QUOTE]
Exactly! Which is why, he should've left!
He knows he's not built like that. He knows killing billions is a whoooooole different ball game. Thus, as smart and experienced and as self-aware as he is, he would've and should've left to find another way besides killing billions. Even if that plan were to fail completely. At least he fail on his terms.
Instead, we got what we got because "reasons".
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buttttttttttttttttttttttt.... One more day then we can move on right!? lol. And then next week is SW #7 so... could be a good couple weeks of new convo lol[/QUOTE]
Less than 24 hours, hang in there! These convos are all in good fun.:cool:
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Just preordered Ultimates online.
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Love it. Maybe one day.
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Love it. Maybe one day.[/QUOTE]
Must. Happen!
Stupid film rights bs. Can't Marvel and Fox just agree to a deal already?:confused:
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[QUOTE=XPac;1596236]In all fairness though, I think a sort of anti-Storm vibe started to build up steam on the BP side of things too. To some degree at least. I'll admit there were days where I felt I was the only person that still liked Storm on this thread.
I think in the end the marriage rather than uniting the fan bases like ideally I imagine marvel wanted when they got married in the first place ended up putting them at odds. All of that can essentially be attributed to marvel not really handling the marriage well unfortunately. They gave us some nice moments, but I think unfortunately towards the end the marriage actually started making the characters look bad. Again, that's on marvel but the point being a lot of complainers I think started having valid complaints.[/QUOTE]
That came about because of non stop bitching from x-fans, there comes a point where if you come to a thread and because of one character it becomes a hassle you want the starting point for the annoyance gone and that was her. In the end the writers who said they couldn't use her for these big plans still haven't, the fans who said she could do better are largely ok with her being with Logan cause he's a X-Man reasons, those who barely like her don't miss her or have moved on and others are just happy she has a terrible hair style back
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;1596352]That came about because of non stop bitching from x-fans, there comes a point where if you come to a thread and because of one character it becomes a hassle you want the starting point for the annoyance gone and that was her. In the end the writers who said they couldn't use her for these big plans still haven't, the fans who said she could do better are largely ok with her being with Logan cause he's a X-Man reasons, those who barely like her don't miss her or have moved on and others are just happy she has a terrible hair style back[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;1596352]That came about because of non stop bitching from x-fans, there comes a point where if you come to a thread and because of one character it becomes a hassle you want the starting point for the annoyance gone and that was her. In the end the writers who said they couldn't use her for these big plans still haven't, the fans who said she could do better are largely ok with her being with Logan cause he's a X-Man reasons, those who barely like her don't miss her or have moved on and others are just happy she has a terrible hair style back[/QUOTE]
Mic Dropper:)
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;1596352]That came about because of non stop bitching from x-fans, there comes a point where if you come to a thread and because of one character it becomes a hassle you want the starting point for the annoyance gone and that was her. In the end the writers who said they couldn't use her for these big plans still haven't, the fans who said she could do better are largely ok with her being with Logan cause he's a X-Man reasons, those who barely like her don't miss her or have moved on and others are just happy she has a terrible hair style back[/QUOTE]
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Storm ties into one of the single most out of character moments in all of BP mythology. IMO, it's one of T'challa's single worst showings.
"You got me straight trippin, boo."
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;1596352]That came about because of non stop bitching from x-fans, there comes a point where if you come to a thread and because of one character it becomes a hassle you want the starting point for the annoyance gone and that was her. In the end the writers who said they couldn't use her for these big plans still haven't, the fans who said she could do better are largely ok with her being with Logan cause he's a X-Man reasons, those who barely like her don't miss her or have moved on and others are just happy she has a terrible hair style back[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://lovelace-media.imgix.net/uploads/10/11db60d0-07a1-0132-07cd-0eae5eefacd9.gif[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;1596385]Storm ties into one of the single most out of character moments in all of BP mythology. IMO, it's one of T'challa's single worst showings.
"You got me straight trippin, boo."[/QUOTE]
Am I the only guy who didn't mind that line? He was quoting a song. He's a worldly kind of guy. Maybe, in that universe, he happens to like those types of songs?
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;1596385]Storm ties into one of the single most out of character moments in all of BP mythology. IMO, it's one of T'challa's single worst showings.
"You got me straight trippin, boo."[/QUOTE]
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