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[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;2282552]Couldn't agree more actually. I think Hudlin was the only one who tried his best to keep it the same as Priest. But to be fair, I don't think the idea of changing gear is so bad considering T'Challa is the king and the worlds most technologically advanced nation, and it'll only make sense if Wakanda tech keeps getting better and better and therefore T'Challa keeps improving his gear. I mean I haven't read a single Iron Man issue ever, but doesn't Tony Stark do the same thing? Keep improving his suits and adding new stuff while keeping the usual things like the repulsor beams/tech? Forgive me if I am wrong.[/QUOTE]
Here's the thing. Tony Stark is not T'challa.
New powers and gadgets should serve the character, not the other way around. Tony Stark is a futurist, an engineer, and a builder. When confronted by a new challenge, his FIRST reaction is always "Make a new gadget/suit". That's his personality and philosophy. Reed Richards was/is the same way.
But T'Challa's first response to a new threat has rarely been "Go to the lab and build something". Hence, having him "adding new stuff" is a disservice to the character who almost always uses guile and strategy, not technology, to win his battles. If I were going to give Panther new tools, my first question would be... "What would they tell us about the character?"
Which, now that I think about it, may be why the push isn't working for me anymore. When you get down to it, what it says is "T'Challa created a technology that requires him to take blows from his enemies, just so he can push them away." It's reactive, and mostly passive. That's not the weapon of a master tactician.
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[QUOTE=Agent Z;2282562]Force push means the fight ends before it even begins. Think of it like a police officer using a taser to k.o a perp before they draw their weapon.[/QUOTE]
Only if it was a taser powered by the officer being shot at. :D
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The problem with the consistency thing is that T'challa didn't have a "thing" when he was first introduced. He was basically an athletic dude in a panther cosplay outfit.
His only gadget pre-priest was the Knock out gas from his fingers he used on Sue and then again on a panther in Gillis mini. Other than that, he basically had nothing to offer in regards to weapons.
so Priest came along and actually gave him some cool ****. Gave him some stuff that should have been his "shield" or "web shooters" (daggers, mesh suit, anti metal claws, boots, kymoyo). Also updated his costume so that a dude named black panther actually wore black (thank god for updated art and coloring).
Hudlin (outside of WITBP, which wasn't his fault) kept the mesh suit and used the daggers here and there. But really, the blessed armor and sword seemed to be more of Hudlins "thing."
Then he went to hells kitchen with no vibranium and no resources and lost all of it. Not really Liss's fault once again but, once again doesn't help with making anything a signature.
Hickman stealth brought back vibranium but I can't remember anytime it was focused on in regards to his mesh suit. He re-designed and brought back the daggers.... but then decided to add a bunch of unnecessary **** IMO
Coates brought back and updated the mesh suit... and then 100% ignored absolutely everything else.
The MCU is our best chance for consistency. See what happens in the solo movie.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2282530]bold
i don't want African Batman[/QUOTE]
The force push issue could easily be solved is Coates knew what he was doing but he does not. It could be used say if T'Challa no showed heavy gunfire (for extra badassery, show him running towards enemies firing at him and not caring) and then dealing the damage back in blows and kicks, or using it in bursts of speed or jumps. There's no need to show T'Challa purposely letting a guy punch in him the face. That is not what a good fighter does, and BP is one of the best in the MU.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2282533]I've always loved this pic. A great mix of tribal and high-tech:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/MYNxJC6.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Same here. I particularly like the robots.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2282534]The foot soldiers aren't superhuman
so they should have vibranium mesh shields (like his bodyguards where now) and guns lol.
Along with some sort of blade for close quarters combat. And they should be dressed like a panther and wearing colors that allow camouflage[/QUOTE]
I would go with something like that too.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2282570]The problem with the consistency thing is that T'challa didn't have a "thing" when he was first introduced. He was basically an athletic dude in a panther cosplay outfit.
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The MCU is our best chance for consistency. See what happens in the solo movie.[/QUOTE]
I more or less agree. I guess the reason I tend to default to Priest's loadout is it because it makes sense. Panther isn't any more durable than an ordinary man, so he'd naturally protect himself. And since the suit has always had claws, making them more than decorative is only logical. And Kimoyo was really just a fancy PalmPilot™ (this was before iPhones ;) ).
The only addition I ended up disliking was the energy daggers, but that was more due to the fact that Priest's editor asked it be turned into a ranged weapon, and they eventually became a bit overused (not unlike the push, actually). But they served a useful role in their initial conception, as a non-lethal method of stunning/tagging enemies.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2282564]Here's the thing. Tony Stark is not T'challa.
New powers and gadgets should serve the character, not the other way around. Tony Stark is a futurist, an engineer, and a builder. When confronted by a new challenge, his FIRST reaction is always "Make a new gadget/suit". That's his personality and philosophy. Reed Richards was/is the same way.
But T'Challa's first response to a new threat has rarely been "Go to the lab and build something". Hence, having him "adding new stuff" is a disservice to the character who almost always uses guile and strategy, not technology, to win his battles. If I were going to give Panther new tools, my first question would be... "What would they tell us about the character?"
Which, now that I think about it, may be why the push isn't working for me anymore. When you get down to it, what it says is "T'Challa created a technology that requires him to take blows from his enemies, just so he can push them away." It's reactive, and mostly passive. That's not the weapon of a master tactician.[/QUOTE]
Good points. I didn't think of it that way but I certainly agree. My Black Panther knowledge (and comic book knowledge at that) is still at best at intermmediate level :D
Thank you for the insight!
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2282584]
The only addition I ended up disliking was the energy daggers, but that was more due to the fact that Priest's editor asked it be turned into a ranged weapon, and they eventually became a bit overused (not unlike the push, actually). But they served a useful role in their initial conception, as a non-lethal method of stunning/tagging enemies.[/QUOTE]
bonus points for being able to hurt people like Ultron
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[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;2282585]Good points. I didn't think of it that way but I certainly agree. My Black Panther knowledge (and comic book knowledge at that) is still at best at intermmediate level :D
Thank you for the insight![/QUOTE]
I've been reading comics for almost 40 years. I have Opinions™. :D
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2282588]bonus points for being able to hurt people like Ultron[/QUOTE]
The claws could do that too, of course. Just not at range.
I think, if I was going to give T'Challa a ranged attack, I'd make something sonic, and probably Vibranium-powered. Call it the "Panther's Roar", perhaps.
(The trick would be to find a way to make it unique from the attacks of folks like Songbird, Black Bolt, or Canary. I'd need help with that.)
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[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;2282457]These all sounds great and agree with all mostly.
I would like MU and MCU T'Challa has his standard/default gear be:
[list][*]Vibranium Mesh/Nanotech Panther habit that's completely retractable like we've been seeing with his helmet/cowl recently, complete with a Kimoyo HUD in the helmet/cowl and/or can pop up a high-tech Kimoyo interactive display from his wrists/whole body like we've seen in the Ultimates issues, stealth/invisiblity mode, and the 'force push' technology which can enhace open palm strikes, push kicks and provide great distance leaps, short bursts of speed, as well as large AOE type attacks (that really needs an official name, so how about kinetic expulsion/repellance?).[*]Anti-Metal vibranium claws.[*]Energy daggers that are shorter when thrown like throwing knivers, and slightly longer when used in close range/h2h combat, with the stun/kill setting.[*]Energy-dampening boots which he can use to run along the side of walls, land, walk and run silently on the ground.[*]The 'energy knuckles' in the New Avengers Illuminati run.[/list]
Other gadgets can be added to that for times when T'Challa needs and uses prep time, but that should be his trademark gear he uses in conjuction with his enhanced physicals, senses and h2h skills.
For stronger threats (think maybe Iron Man/Doctor Doom level) I would suggest:
[list][*]Light Vibranium armour/exo-armour (like the one he used against Doctor Doom in Hudlin's run) with an exoskeleton that further enhances his already superhuman physicals and makes sure his gear doesn't weigh him down, is completely retractable, built in with a more advanced Kimoyo HUD, and comes with power glove-esque technology (like the ones he used against Namor in New Avengers) that retracts or is already built into the gauntlets/hands but way less bulky.[*]A collapsible Vibranium sword/short blade that generates energy for extra cutting power, complete with glowing magical runes/Tron-esque tribal markings for strength, sure striking etc. He can have up to two or three. The design can be inspired by African blades, or like the way Brian Stelfreeze has designed Wakandan blades (I like his idea of the Vibranium blades looking like they have a rainbow sheen like oil in water a lot but we haven't seen that yet) but the overall look will stll be very high tech.[*]A retractable Vibranium shield with hard light generating technology for wide range shielding and glowing magical runes/Tron-esque tribal markings for protection etc. The look can be similar to the shield we see a royal guard wielding in the Ultimates issue #8 book, or the shield T'Challa used in issue #39 of Jason Aaron's "See Wakanda and Die" Secret Invasion tie in book, or other African war shields but with a high tech touch.[*]Possibly a fully Vibranium and retractable spear with an energy generating blade with glowing magical runes/Tron-esque tribal markings for sure striking etc. It can change it's length from full length to a shor spear length, and can be used for long range combat i.e throwing or close range combat and in conjunction with the shield or swords. He can have up to two or three.[*]Vibranium ceremonial/ancestrial dagger.[/list]
Other gadgets can be added to those if anyone can think of any. For Hulk type threats he could use the Hulk Buster-esque armour we'll see him use in the new Hulk series (btw, is that out yet?), and he can have deep see and space exploration suits. I'd also like it if all his gear is blessed (as many times as possible lol) by the Panther god/Bast to give it that mystical edge.
Basically, I want T'Challa as the Black Panther to feel like a high tech weilding demi-god warrior king lol.[/QUOTE]
Good ****! I like a lot of these things actually, tho as largely circumstantial to show how resourceful he can be for a given situation
End of the day for me though, if you simply give him his vibranium suit, his claws, daggers that explode energy or "force push"ness... and a big ass vibranium melee weapon for when he (or i, playin as him) feel like fukkin **** up... I would be at peace with that. And so would the kiddies at toys r us. lol
Hell, throw in the force push and that'd basically be 4 things + the suit itself that all have recognizable commonalities with vibranium and its properties.
I am looking forward to this hulk-buster prowler thing in this upcoming Cho-Hulk book.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2282608]The claws could do that too, of course. Just not at range.
I think, if I was going to give T'Challa a ranged attack, I'd make something sonic, and probably Vibranium-powered. Call it the "Panther's Roar", perhaps.
(The trick would be to find a way to make it unique from the attacks of folks like Songbird, Black Bolt, or Canary. I'd need help with that.)[/QUOTE]
Well you could either make it fully technological, fully mystical or a bit of both somehow. I think mystical would be a bit better. You could have it be like a blessing from the Panther god/Bast kind of attack.
i still like the energy daggers tbh
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I'm not really ok with T'chall having a roar. Considering DC already has Black Canary, and than you've got Black Bolt the king of sonic attacks which would make BP's attack a second or 3rd fiddle one. Plus you've got his villain Klaw already
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2282608]I've been reading comics for almost 40 years. I have Opinions™. :D
The claws could do that too, of course. Just not at range.
I think, if I was going to give T'Challa a ranged attack, I'd make something sonic, and probably Vibranium-powered. Call it the "Panther's Roar", perhaps.
(The trick would be to find a way to make it unique from the attacks of folks like Songbird, Black Bolt, or Canary. I'd need help with that.)[/QUOTE]
I personally think the daggers work well as ranged options because they compliment his primary attribute ... him being a fighter. Thematically and visually I think it fits.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;2282629]I'm not really ok with T'chall having a roar. Considering DC already has Black Canary, and than you've got Black Bolt the king of sonic attacks which would make BP's attack a second or 3rd fiddle one. Plus you've got his villain Klaw already[/QUOTE]
All very true. I was just trying to think of a ranged attack that worked well with his background and motif. But the more I reflect on it, the less I like it. *shrug*
[QUOTE=XPac;2282635]I personally think the daggers work well as ranged options because they compliment his primary attribute ... him being a fighter. Thematically and visually I think it fits.[/QUOTE]
maybe if they were depicted clearly as daggers, as opposed to generic energy beams? I dunno.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2282466]For whatever reason, T'Challa never seemed a big fan of the spear. I almost think it's more a Shuri thing at this point.
[B]Still, for video game purposes at least I'm a fan of weapons[/B].[/QUOTE]
Yup he's a warrior king and seen as a panther god trained to whoop ass, so he should be allowed to channel his inner kratos from time to time, even if scaled back to pg-13'ness. The future fight black panther mobile pack that'll come out in 2018, the inevitable Marvel vs Capcom 4, the inevitable lego avengers infinity war game with the black panther movie dlc... hahahaha, alllll of that
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2282641]All very true. I was just trying to think of a ranged attack that worked well with his background and motif. But the more I reflect on it, the less I like it. *shrug*
maybe if they were depicted clearly as daggers, as opposed to generic energy beams? I dunno.[/QUOTE]
Hickman's variation of the energy daggers were clearly daggers which could be both wielded h2h or thrown. I know they got some heat on this thread as being kitchen knives, but I thought they worked okay.
Downside with the daggers I suppose is that they sort of replace the claws.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;2282629]I'm not really ok with T'chall having a roar. Considering DC already has Black Canary, and than you've got Black Bolt the king of sonic attacks which would make BP's attack a second or 3rd fiddle one. Plus you've got his villain Klaw already[/QUOTE]
Yeah, let's not turn him into a Thundercat. ;)
It's really strange that T'Challa has no standard gear that carries from series to series. Batman has batarangs, Cap has his shield, Spidey has his webs etc. The energy daggers and energy claws above all else should be standard gear. Second is teleportation and camouflage. These should be the four basic tools that are always at his disposal no matter what new tech they intro or old tech they hardly use.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2282670]Hickman's variation of the energy daggers were clearly daggers which could be both wielded h2h or thrown. I know they got some heat on this thread as being kitchen knives, but I thought they worked okay.
Downside with the daggers I suppose is that they sort of replace the claws.[/QUOTE]
Well, as they have more RANGE than the claws do, so that is kinda reasonable, in my mind.
The claws are really mostly for ripping and tearing metal things that he'd have no other way of knocking down ordinarily.
They wouldn't help him against say, Ultron because getting in melee range of a super strong killer robot is a bad idea.
Tho the Force Push means that if/when he does get smacked by a superhuman he can return that impact with an equal impact. So
he has a defense against upper-midlevel bricks like the Executioner or Thundra. Or Namor. (Don't tell me he's Class 100..I don't buy it).
The rest is something that was a stylistic choice of the artists.
The Energy Daggers started out looking like pointy thingees that T'Challa could either throw or stab with. Later more literal
artist would just draw glowing knives.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2282641]All very true. I was just trying to think of a ranged attack that worked well with his background and motif. But the more I reflect on it, the less I like it. *shrug*[/QUOTE]
Man, you give that to the Prowlers. Made out of vibranium so they'll tank shots and then give it right back to them as a vibranium sonic attack. :cool:
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;2282702]Well, as they have more RANGE than the claws do, so that is kinda reasonable, in my mind.
The claws are really mostly for ripping and tearing metal things that he'd have no other way of knocking down ordinarily.
They wouldn't help him against say, Ultron because getting in melee range of a super strong killer robot is a bad idea.
Tho the Force Push means that if/when he does get smacked by a superhuman he can return that impact with an equal impact. So
he has a defense against upper-midlevel bricks like the Executioner or Thundra. Or Namor. (Don't tell me he's Class 100..I don't buy it).
The rest is something that was a stylistic choice of the artists.
The Energy Daggers started out looking like pointy thingees that T'Challa could either throw or stab with. Later more literal
artist would just draw glowing knives.[/QUOTE]
I would agree if he's got daggers he theoretically doesn't need claws. There's a degree of redundencies there.
However I suspect because of the movie will end up standardizing the claws into his signature attribute.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2282685]Yeah, let's not turn him into a Thundercat. ;)
It's really strange that T'Challa has no standard gear that carries from series to series. Batman has batarangs, Cap has his shield, Spidey has his webs etc. The energy daggers and energy claws above all else should be standard gear. Second is teleportation and camouflage. These should be the four basic tools that are always at his disposal no matter what new tech they intro or old tech they hardly use.[/QUOTE]
[B]Honestly i still see for Standard gear pretty much everything Priest put in:
-[B]Microweave[/B] W/ Updated wearable kimoyo courtesy of Ewing (maybe Coates kimoyo band for non combat stuff)
-[B]Anti Metal claws[/B] For h2h and tearing up heavily armored foes
-[B]Energy Daggers[/B] for Range and stunning and tagging enemies, as well as close range combat against stronger opponents (Namor, BD, Terrax) can change into energy scythes.
-[B]Force Push[/B] Use for supplementary clearing out multiple opponents (non lethal method) used on class 100+ Enemies (BD ,Proxima, Terrax) to make distance or power his punches or kicks. Utility use: Can give himself quick bursts of speed and increased jumping for emergency situations (Again supplementary to his already enhanced senses and abilities) or to cover distance he couldn't normally cover on his own. Also the energy should be stored at 100% on its own and then IF he is hit then it charges more (Akin to MCU Iron Man vs Thor, when Thor hit Tony with lightning and charged his suit to 400% capacity when he returned it back to him). No more get hit to push BS
Those are the Standard I would have, then things like teleportation and Camo should be specific occasions. Soul tracking i feel could be cool for if he is tracking targets outside his normal range and/ Seeking out foes trying to mask their identities. [/B]
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2282641]All very true. I was just trying to think of a ranged attack that worked well with his background and motif. But the more I reflect on it, the less I like it. *shrug*
maybe if they were depicted clearly as daggers, as opposed to generic energy beams? I dunno.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/HGNzWR9.jpg[/img]
[img]http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/8/8a/T'Challa_(Earth-616)_from_Infinity_Vol_1_5.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131120014734[/img]
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[QUOTE=MrHashasheen;2282707]Man, you give that to the Prowlers. Made out of vibranium so they'll tank shots and then give it right back to them as a vibranium sonic attack. :cool:[/QUOTE]
This x100000000000000 is much cooler than having T'challa use it for henchmen
I am really hoping the Panthertron is going to have something similar when he eventually fights CHulk
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2282685]Yeah, let's not turn him into a Thundercat. ;)
It's really strange that T'Challa has no standard gear that carries from series to series. Batman has batarangs, Cap has his shield, Spidey has his webs etc. The energy daggers and energy claws above all else should be standard gear. Second is teleportation and camouflage. These should be the four basic tools that are always at his disposal no matter what new tech they intro or old tech they hardly use.[/QUOTE]
I think the vibranium mesh suit has finally made it to "standard." I think.
But yeah, he really, really, really needs it. MCU will solidify I imagine.
- Cap- Shield
- Parker- webs, spidey sense, crawling
- Gambit- cards, staff
- Wolverine- claws, regen
- Batman- Batarangs, grappling hook, batmobile, batcave
- WW- bracelets, lasso
- Thor- Mjolnir, thunder
- Bucky- metal arm, sniper rifle
- Widow- stingers (really tight leather lol)
Gotta have a thing.
One of the brilliant things Bendis did with Miles is give him a "thing" that was different from Parker.... the venom blasts. He overuses it a touch too much but it keeps them distinct.
Once you establish "standard" equipment... then you can add more toys. Parker has gadgets all over the place these days. As well as Batman obviously. But they have their standard **** that shows up every issue, every guest appearance, that is iconic.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2282836][img]http://i.imgur.com/HGNzWR9.jpg[/img]
[img]http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/8/8a/T'Challa_(Earth-616)_from_Infinity_Vol_1_5.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131120014734[/img][/QUOTE]
You know the daggers could be called "Panther's Teeth".
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2282837]This x100000000000000 is much cooler than having T'challa use it for henchmen
I am really hoping the Panthertron is going to have something similar when he eventually fights CHulk[/QUOTE]
Maybe Coates using it against henchmen is the point though. He's fighting a lot of non meta Wakandans, so perhaps it's a way to incapacitate an opponent without seriously hurting them. A Force push is potentially less messy than claws or daggers.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2282847]I think the vibranium mesh suit has finally made it to "standard." I think.
But yeah, he really, really, really needs it. MCU will solidify I imagine.
- Cap- Shield
- Parker- webs, spidey sense, crawling
- Gambit- cards, staff
- Wolverine- claws, regen
- Batman- Batarangs, grappling hook, batmobile, batcave
- WW- bracelets, lasso
- Thor- Mjolnir, thunder
- Bucky- metal arm, sniper rifle
- Widow- stingers (really tight leather lol)
Gotta have a thing.
One of the brilliant things Bendis did with Miles is give him a "thing" that was different from Parker.... the venom blasts. He overuses it a touch too much but it keeps them distinct.
Once you establish "standard" equipment... then you can add more toys. Parker has gadgets all over the place these days. As well as Batman obviously. But they have their standard **** that shows up every issue, every guest appearance, that is iconic.[/QUOTE]
For what it's worth, the bulletproof suit and claw made it to standard equipment before CA:CW came out.
Even Radio Shack Panther had a version of that stuff.
It's just that now that the movie's out...we KNOW they aren't ever gonna go away.
Its now a matter of what gets added to that base gear.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2282836][img]http://i.imgur.com/HGNzWR9.jpg[/img]
[img]http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/8/8a/T'Challa_(Earth-616)_from_Infinity_Vol_1_5.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131120014734[/img][/QUOTE]
I should have clarified. I mean in their projectile mode. I mean, could YOU tell these were daggers?
[IMG]http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2571136-2292133_blackpanther09p06.jpg[/IMG]
(And that's actually from the first year of the Priest run. The change happened pretty quickly.)
[QUOTE=Agent Z;2282865]You know the daggers could be called "Panther's Teeth".[/QUOTE]
I think "Fangs" or "Claws" would sound better.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2282974]Maybe Coates using it against henchmen is the point though. He's fighting a lot of non meta Wakandans, so perhaps it's a way to incapacitate an opponent without seriously hurting them. A Force push is potentially less messy than claws or daggers.[/QUOTE]
The daggers have on panel shown to have non lethal capabilities and t'challa has punched, kick, thrown, ect many of people without killing them.
I mean ****, he forced pushed Gary through a building. We don't have to get cute with explanations, Coates is using it because he thinks its cool (Or stelfreeze does)
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2282995]The daggers have on panel shown to have non lethal capabilities and t'challa has punched, kick, thrown, ect many of people without killing them.
I mean ****, he forced pushed Gary through a building. We don't have to get cute with explanations, Coates is using it because he thinks its cool (Or stelfreeze does)[/QUOTE]
Given they invented it I'm assuming they do think it's cool.
I'm just speculating that perhaps by design it's supposed to be a clean efficient way to incapacitate people when one is needed.
While something like daggers may be an option for scaling up, perhaps they wanted togive him options to scale down too.
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Hey guys, sidenote from the gear tech. I was mocking Bendis-Speak on another site and it struck me that for all that Marvel's done the East/West Coast divide they never really bothered with the Gulf Coast or to set up a Gulf Coast Avengers. Given that T'Challa has some background there (the Lynne family), and that we've also got Monica Rambeau from there, plus a couple of other heroes like Rogue and Gambit, not to mention Scarlet Spider and Humming Bird ran out of Austin... plus there's a sizeable black community across those states so we could flesh out some other black heroes with origins there...
Dunno, what do you guys think? Who'd you like to see on such a team, be it lead by T'Challa or Rambeau?
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[QUOTE=XPac;2283025]Given they invented it I'm assuming they do think it's cool.
I'm just speculating that perhaps by design it's supposed to be a clean efficient way to incapacitate people when one is needed.
While something like daggers may be an option for scaling up, perhaps they wanted togive him options to scale down too.[/QUOTE]
Or somebody thought the idea of a knife with a non lethal mode was silly.
Right up there with the "Stun Garrote"
Or the "Mercy Machete".
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[QUOTE=MrHashasheen;2283030]Hey guys, sidenote from the gear tech. I was mocking Bendis-Speak on another site and it struck me that for all that Marvel's done the East/West Coast divide they never really bothered with the Gulf Coast or to set up a Gulf Coast Avengers. Given that T'Challa has some background there (the Lynne family), and that we've also got Monica Rambeau from there, plus a couple of other heroes like Rogue and Gambit, not to mention Scarlet Spider and Humming Bird ran out of Austin... plus there's a sizeable black community across those states so we could flesh out some other black heroes with origins there...
Dunno, what do you guys think? Who'd you like to see on such a team, be it lead by T'Challa or Rambeau?[/QUOTE]
Well, Jericho Drumm is an obvious choice.
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[QUOTE=MrHashasheen;2283030]Hey guys, sidenote from the gear tech. I was mocking Bendis-Speak on another site and it struck me that for all that Marvel's done the East/West Coast divide they never really bothered with the Gulf Coast or to set up a Gulf Coast Avengers. Given that T'Challa has some background there (the Lynne family), and that we've also got Monica Rambeau from there, plus a couple of other heroes like Rogue and Gambit, not to mention Scarlet Spider and Humming Bird ran out of Austin... plus there's a sizeable black community across those states so we could flesh out some other black heroes with origins there...
Dunno, what do you guys think? Who'd you like to see on such a team, be it lead by T'Challa or Rambeau?[/QUOTE]
I think Man Thing and the nexus of realities is down there somewhere so it might be a good setting for a mystical team of some sort.
But T'Challa is probably good in N Y. It's where his embassy is.
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[QUOTE=MrHashasheen;2283030]Hey guys, sidenote from the gear tech. I was mocking Bendis-Speak on another site and it struck me that for all that Marvel's done the East/West Coast divide they never really bothered with the Gulf Coast or to set up a Gulf Coast Avengers. Given that T'Challa has some background there (the Lynne family), and that we've also got Monica Rambeau from there, plus a couple of other heroes like Rogue and Gambit, not to mention Scarlet Spider and Humming Bird ran out of Austin... plus there's a sizeable black community across those states so we could flesh out some other black heroes with origins there...
Dunno, what do you guys think? Who'd you like to see on such a team, be it lead by T'Challa or Rambeau?[/QUOTE]
The only hard part with T'challa being apart of a "regional" team is that you have to come up with an excuse for him to be there.
And there really isn't anything down there where a diplomat would be hanging around. NY is well... NY and has the embassy.
Him being apart of just "the avengers" works because they fight dudes all over the earth and beyond.
I rather T'challa jsut be apart of Avengers proper lol. Or a "Unity" team of sorts since he has relationships with the inhuman royal family and mutants.
But, if you wanted to go the regional route for whatever reason, Monica nad Voodoo are no brainers from the get go
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[QUOTE=XPac;2283075]I think Man Thing and the nexus of realities is down there somewhere so it might be a good setting for a mystical team of some sort.
But T'Challa is probably good in N Y. It's where his embassy is.[/QUOTE]
The Nexus is in Florida, specifically the Everglades (or was. I think it's moved a few times)
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[QUOTE=XPac;2283075]I think Man Thing and the nexus of realities is down there somewhere so it might be a good setting for a mystical team of some sort.
But T'Challa is probably good in N Y. It's where his embassy is.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2283086]The only hard part with T'challa being apart of a "regional" team is that you have to come up with an excuse for him to be there.
And there really isn't anything down there where a diplomat would be hanging around. NY is well... NY and has the embassy.
Him being apart of just "the avengers" works because they fight dudes all over the earth and beyond.
I rather T'challa jsut be apart of Avengers proper lol. Or a "Unity" team of sorts since he has relationships with the inhuman royal family and mutants.
But, if you wanted to go the regional route for whatever reason, Monica nad Voodoo are no brainers from the get go[/QUOTE]
Kinda doubt the West Coast Avengers ever in their history just patrolled the West Coast. Or Justice League of America just stayed in America. It'd be a southern focus for sure though to start though and maybe to bring the team together. For that you could putt in some old BP stories and redo the Spiritual Light Society making a resurgence in the area after lingering in the prison system for years...
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[QUOTE=MrHashasheen;2283030]Hey guys, sidenote from the gear tech. I was mocking Bendis-Speak on another site and it struck me that for all that Marvel's done the East/West Coast divide they never really bothered with the Gulf Coast or to set up a Gulf Coast Avengers. Given that T'Challa has some background there (the Lynne family), and that we've also got Monica Rambeau from there, plus a couple of other heroes like Rogue and Gambit, not to mention Scarlet Spider and Humming Bird ran out of Austin... plus there's a sizeable black community across those states so we could flesh out some other black heroes with origins there...
Dunno, what do you guys think? Who'd you like to see on such a team, be it lead by T'Challa or Rambeau?[/QUOTE]
Here's my team (lol).
Characters that lived in the Gulf Coast:
Spectrum-Leader
Rogue(you sort of have to)
Doctor Voodoo
Firebird
Living Lightning
Jim Skully/Skull The Slayer-(Dude was a teen superhero in 70's but has aged in real time-imagine Al Bundy with Super Strength)
OTHERS
Spider Woman
The Shroud
Tigra
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2282995]The daggers have on panel shown to have non lethal capabilities and t'challa has punched, kick, thrown, ect many of people without killing them.
I mean ****, he forced pushed Gary through a building. We don't have to get cute with explanations, Coates is using it because he thinks its cool (Or stelfreeze does)[/QUOTE]
[B]Yea the Force push has been overused for Sure, Especially given how Passive Coates has made it work. It should have Stored uses at all times, then can be "Over charged" Akin to Thor Charging Tony's suit in the Avengers to 400% capacity with lightning. Have him use it as non lethal for big groups and then crank that Sh*t up against class 100+. There are so many ways i would implement all of his tech seamlessly. [/B]
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Preview of next week's issue.
[url]http://www.avclub.com/article/wakandan-revolution-heats-black-panther-6-exclusiv-242310[/url]
I see no need to read further....
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2283697]Preview of next week's issue.
[url]http://www.avclub.com/article/wakandan-revolution-heats-black-panther-6-exclusiv-242310[/url]
I see no need to read further....[/QUOTE]
WHOA!! Slaves bred to give their bodies to men? Thats how they feel?