[QUOTE=Nate Grey;3195717]Think its a coincidence all you want then.[/QUOTE]
Uh, I didn't say it was a coincidence. I said right there why they included him.
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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;3195717]Think its a coincidence all you want then.[/QUOTE]
Uh, I didn't say it was a coincidence. I said right there why they included him.
[QUOTE=Holt;3195722]Uh, I didn't say it was a coincidence. I said right there why they included him.[/QUOTE]
"movie waves in general" isn't a "why" though. He's not "tangential" like you original said, not to fans familiar with both, and trying to shift to why Iron Man is there seemed weak to me.
Some of the build-a-figures seem random, yes. But if one of the figures had this in any version of media:
[IMG]https://31.media.tumblr.com/66e95e3147aa8d60951c1486be6a446c/tumblr_n9wudf3FIM1qa9xzzo3_r1_500.jpg[/IMG]
then no, it wouldn't seem so random. Think I'm stretching all you want. Feelings mutual in regards to why you think its not the case. But again, clever for whomever thought it up.
[QUOTE=Nate Grey;3195745]"movie waves in general" isn't a "why" though. He's not "tangential" like you original said.[/QUOTE]
He's a character who is not part of Black Panther's stable and is only connected to him through a rivalry and the fact that they were on a team together for a while. To me that's pretty tangential. A non-tangentially connected character, to me, would have been someone like Man-Ape or White Wolf or Kasper Cole; someone who is actually part of the Black Panther mythos. Hence why I drew the comparison to Iron Fist being included in the wave for the Doctor Strange movie even though the only connection is that they were both members of the Defenders together. I would consider Black Bolt and Iron Man tangentially connected characters for that same reason.
[QUOTE]and trying to shift to why Iron Man is there seemed weak to me.[/QUOTE]
I never tried to shift away to Iron Man, so you can say it's weak all you want. That's kinda why I ended with "that's a whole other discussion."
[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3193645]You guys have been saying it for months. I need some time to collect my thoughts. I'm really not feeling this news.
Too true. I feel like I got my hopes up for nothing. And now everyone here has the right to say "I told you so" even though I was aware of the possibility, but I just wanted to be optimistic. I really don't want Storm to go back to be being triflin.
That's exactly what I read it as. The more I think about it, the more annoyed I get. Even more so than before, I get why you guys were mad that Coates even brought Storm on board. He wasted precious time trying to make sense of their relationship now, when ultimately he had no plan and no way of ensuring that his vision for them wouldn't be distorted and demolished. Don't get me wrong, I'll always be grateful for his portrayal of her and them together, but I can't shake the feeling that he had no true end goal for them. It feels like a true waste. Smh
Like wtf, really? I just can't stop asking myself "what's the point?"[/QUOTE]
What it says is that the minds at the top that control whether or not books get published, don't want Ororo to be locked down and don't want T'Challa to be with anyone else.
Here's the main thing. As much as they don't want to admit it, MARVEL doesn't want their two most popular black characters married and in a relationship devoutly committed to one another. That's pretty much it.
Like I said in the LGBT relationship thread, they don't want any top tier 10-15 female characters to be in a relationship with each other (cause they're 'too important' to the narrative) as opposed to in the background where they don't have to see much of it.
The sad fact is, if T'Challa and Ororo were married again, there'd be no excuse for Marvel to break them up, ESPECIALLY with how Coates has made their reunion and Storm's awakening.
He essentially in 'comic terms' grew them both as characters and grew them closer together with a greater understanding of one another than they ever had before at a deeper level. T'Challa understands Storm's nature and who she is and accepts it in ways he "didn't" before, and Ororo finally understands what Wakanda means, and how it's a privilege to represent them.
With how that issue was done, it set in stone (bar terrible writing from another writer who wants to screw it up again), that if Storm and T'Challa got married again, they're likely staying married. Because any writer that wanted to break them up would have to formulate a story so outlandish it would get called out for it on the spot, and MARVEL would be in hot water for intentionally breaking up that marriage just to pair Storm with someone else.
They got away with it before, but nowadays especially with the popularity of Black Panther about to rise, they don't want to have to answer those questions.
But the fact of the matter is, MARVEL doesn't want T'Challa to be a main player in the MARVEL Universe outside of his own solo comic. Being married to Storm essentially means that would happen. They don't want that. It also means that Storm can be a prominent figure in both her solo comic, in Black Panther, and in other X Comics while being a power couple with the most popular black character MARVEL has. Which means it will come up in conversation, get mentioned more, and BP's presence becomes more prominent. This is something they don't want.
The only reason they're even truly paying attention to Black Panther now has nothing to do with them actually wanting him to succeed. It's to cash in on the popularity his character is getting with the movie on the horizon. But there's no long term plans in the MARVEL comics world to make T'Challa a main player. They want to confide him to his solo comic and use him sparingly anywhere else.
That's just how it is. If he and Storm get married again, they likely aren't breaking up, and that + the popularity of the Black Panther movie, and the selling of his comic FORCES Marvel to make him a main player in a lot of their future plans and outside of his solo comic and they don't [B]really [/B]want that.
It sucks for not just T'Challa but it sucks for Storm too. Because the two committed relationships that make the most sense for her narrative wise are T'Challa and Yukio. Two things MARVEL [B]doesn't[/B] ever want to do with a top tier character as I ranted about in the LGBT thread.
It's a sad pattern with MARVEL comics. I remember in Jessica Jones(the comic) how happy I was when her and Luke Cage became official. But I will never forget, in my happiness, I was told "That's great for them. Too bad you're never going to really see her(Jessica) again."
Essentially what was implied that, now that it was done, Jessica was going to be shoved even further into the background, and her and Luke Cage's relationship would only come up sparingly after that point. But there I was hoping Marvel was actually being progressive with interracial relationships. But again I was told "come back to me 10 years from now. That will be the only one of relevance still involving a Black male."
Guess what happened.
[img]https://m.popkey.co/c5b95b/MmEz_f-maxage-0.gif[/img]
Sadly I was told that in the comics world that they really have no problem if they're trying to do such a thing when it's a white man and a black woman at the top or even mid-top tier.
But the moment it's a black man and a white woman, or a black man in general that could be with a strong black woman(at the top tier) that the comics will shy away from it, or make it "disappear".
So I went back and thought all the way back in MARVEL back to Iron Fist with Misty Knight and the attention that pairing got and STILL going strong, it made me wonder if the races were reversed if the same thing would have happened. Then I went and compared it to Jessica Jones and Luke Cage and precisely what I was told would happen.. happened. Then for some reason I thought about the Cheerio's commercial and if there would have been such an outcry if it was a white man and a black woman instead of the other way around.
Nobody even brings up Bishop and Deathbird. Matter of fact when's the last time we've seen Bishop and Deathbird?
So it angered me. So we see T'Challa essentially being put in the same situation. Thing is, he is their most famous black character, so they can't relegate him solely to the background. But they want to in their own way, they want to [I]keep him confined [/I]to his solo book series, and don't want to put him in any situation that makes him a major player in the comics that they would have to focus on or at least respect outside of his solo series. and flare and a rich cultural history, but they want to keep him confined to the pages of his own solo comic series as opposed to making him a major player in the MARVEL comics outside of it as well. Logically it makes no sense. But when you think about it from the perspective they want to keep him limited to..it makes all the sense in the world why it's happening the way it is. Fact is.. If he married Storm, they likely wouldn't break up again and the snowball effect is he'd become a major player in comics outside of his own. They don't want that, so they will do everything they can to keep it at an arms length. "Safe" but not "committed"..... (sighs)
They could easily give him the level of importance that say.. a Tony Stark has. But they aren't going to. Yes.. they essentially have the potential for a Black Bruce Wayne/James Bond hybrid with his own style
AND DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE CLOAK AND DAGGER "TV SHOW" AND HOW THEY'RE PORTRAYING THEIR RELATIONSHIP!!!!
[img]https://media.tenor.com/images/c7b75ee5c7c245d29dc0b7305ea2f338/tenor.gif[/img]
[COLOR="#000080"]@Majesty
I love your post bro![/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Nate Grey;3195745]"movie waves in general" isn't a "why" though. He's not "tangential" like you original said, not to fans familiar with both, and trying to shift to why Iron Man is there seemed weak to me.
Some of the build-a-figures seem random, yes. But if one of the figures had this in any version of media:
[IMG]https://31.media.tumblr.com/66e95e3147aa8d60951c1486be6a446c/tumblr_n9wudf3FIM1qa9xzzo3_r1_500.jpg[/IMG]
then no, it wouldn't seem so random. Think I'm stretching all you want. Feelings mutual in regards to why you think its not the case. But again, clever for whomever thought it up.[/QUOTE]
Oh, this ************! Why is he not in a billion pieces?
[QUOTE=Majesty;3195789]What it says is that the minds at the top that control whether or not books get published, don't want Ororo to be locked down and don't want T'Challa to be with anyone else.
Here's the main thing. As much as they don't want to admit it, MARVEL doesn't want their two most popular black characters married and in a relationship devoutly committed to one another. That's pretty much it.
Like I said in the LGBT relationship thread, they don't want any top tier 10-15 female characters to be in a relationship with each other (cause they're 'too important' to the narrative) as opposed to in the background where they don't have to see much of it.
The sad fact is, if T'Challa and Ororo were married again, there'd be no excuse for Marvel to break them up, ESPECIALLY with how Coates has made their reunion and Storm's awakening.
He essentially in 'comic terms' grew them both as characters and grew them closer together with a greater understanding of one another than they ever had before at a deeper level. T'Challa understands Storm's nature and who she is and accepts it in ways he "didn't" before, and Ororo finally understands what Wakanda means, and how it's a privilege to represent them.
With how that issue was done, it set in stone (bar terrible writing from another writer who wants to screw it up again), that if Storm and T'Challa got married again, they're likely staying married. Because any writer that wanted to break them up would have to formulate a story so outlandish it would get called out for it on the spot, and MARVEL would be in hot water for intentionally breaking up that marriage just to pair Storm with someone else.
They got away with it before, but nowadays especially with the popularity of Black Panther about to rise, they don't want to have to answer those questions.
But the fact of the matter is, MARVEL doesn't want T'Challa to be a main player in the MARVEL Universe outside of his own solo comic. Being married to Storm essentially means that would happen. They don't want that. It also means that Storm can be a prominent figure in both her solo comic, in Black Panther, and in other X Comics while being a power couple with the most popular black character MARVEL has. Which means it will come up in conversation, get mentioned more, and BP's presence becomes more prominent. This is something they don't want.
The only reason they're even truly paying attention to Black Panther now has nothing to do with them actually wanting him to succeed. It's to cash in on the popularity his character is getting with the movie on the horizon. But there's no long term plans in the MARVEL comics world to make T'Challa a main player. They want to confide him to his solo comic and use him sparingly anywhere else.
That's just how it is. If he and Storm get married again, they likely aren't breaking up, and that + the popularity of the Black Panther movie, and the selling of his comic FORCES Marvel to make him a main player in a lot of their future plans and outside of his solo comic and they don't [B]really [/B]want that.
It sucks for not just T'Challa but it sucks for Storm too. Because the two committed relationships that make the most sense for her narrative wise are T'Challa and Yukio. Two things MARVEL [B]doesn't[/B] ever want to do with a top tier character as I ranted about in the LGBT thread.
It's a sad pattern with MARVEL comics. I remember in Jessica Jones(the comic) how happy I was when her and Luke Cage became official. But I will never forget, in my happiness, I was told "That's great for them. Too bad you're never going to really see her(Jessica) again."
Essentially what was implied that, now that it was done, Jessica was going to be shoved even further into the background, and her and Luke Cage's relationship would only come up sparingly after that point. But there I was hoping Marvel was actually being progressive with interracial relationships. But again I was told "come back to me 10 years from now. That will be the only one of relevance still involving a Black male."
Guess what happened.
[img]https://m.popkey.co/c5b95b/MmEz_f-maxage-0.gif[/img]
Sadly I was told that in the comics world that they really have no problem if they're trying to do such a thing when it's a white man and a black woman at the top or even mid-top tier.
But the moment it's a black man and a white woman, or a black man in general that could be with a strong black woman(at the top tier) that the comics will shy away from it, or make it "disappear".
So I went back and thought all the way back in MARVEL back to Iron Fist with Misty Knight and the attention that pairing got and STILL going strong, it made me wonder if the races were reversed if the same thing would have happened. Then I went and compared it to Jessica Jones and Luke Cage and precisely what I was told would happen.. happened. Then for some reason I thought about the Cheerio's commercial and if there would have been such an outcry if it was a white man and a black woman instead of the other way around.
Nobody even brings up Bishop and Deathbird. Matter of fact when's the last time we've seen Bishop and Deathbird?
So it angered me. So we see T'Challa essentially being put in the same situation. Thing is, he is their most famous black character, so they can't relegate him solely to the background. But they want to in their own way, they want to [I]keep him confined [/I]to his solo book series, and don't want to put him in any situation that makes him a major player in the comics that they would have to focus on or at least respect outside of his solo series. and flare and a rich cultural history, but they want to keep him confined to the pages of his own solo comic series as opposed to making him a major player in the MARVEL comics outside of it as well. Logically it makes no sense. But when you think about it from the perspective they want to keep him limited to..it makes all the sense in the world why it's happening the way it is. Fact is.. If he married Storm, they likely wouldn't break up again and the snowball effect is he'd become a major player in comics outside of his own. They don't want that, so they will do everything they can to keep it at an arms length. "Safe" but not "committed"..... (sighs)
They could easily give him the level of importance that say.. a Tony Stark has. But they aren't going to. Yes.. they essentially have the potential for a Black Bruce Wayne/James Bond hybrid with his own style
AND DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE CLOAK AND DAGGER "TV SHOW" AND HOW THEY'RE PORTRAYING THEIR RELATIONSHIP!!!!
[img]https://media.tenor.com/images/c7b75ee5c7c245d29dc0b7305ea2f338/tenor.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
I like you. :cool:
[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3195853]Oh, this ************! Why is he not in a billion pieces?[/QUOTE]
Because T'Challa is never allowed to smite his real enemies accordingly.
[QUOTE=Majesty;3195789]What it says is that the minds at the top that control whether or not books get published, don't want Ororo to be locked down and don't want T'Challa to be with anyone else.
Here's the main thing. As much as they don't want to admit it, MARVEL doesn't want their two most popular black characters married and in a relationship devoutly committed to one another. That's pretty much it.
Like I said in the LGBT relationship thread, they don't want any top tier 10-15 female characters to be in a relationship with each other (cause they're 'too important' to the narrative) as opposed to in the background where they don't have to see much of it.
The sad fact is, if T'Challa and Ororo were married again, there'd be no excuse for Marvel to break them up, ESPECIALLY with how Coates has made their reunion and Storm's awakening.
He essentially in 'comic terms' grew them both as characters and grew them closer together with a greater understanding of one another than they ever had before at a deeper level. T'Challa understands Storm's nature and who she is and accepts it in ways he "didn't" before, and Ororo finally understands what Wakanda means, and how it's a privilege to represent them.
With how that issue was done, it set in stone (bar terrible writing from another writer who wants to screw it up again), that if Storm and T'Challa got married again, they're likely staying married. Because any writer that wanted to break them up would have to formulate a story so outlandish it would get called out for it on the spot, and MARVEL would be in hot water for intentionally breaking up that marriage just to pair Storm with someone else.
They got away with it before, but nowadays especially with the popularity of Black Panther about to rise, they don't want to have to answer those questions.
But the fact of the matter is, MARVEL doesn't want T'Challa to be a main player in the MARVEL Universe outside of his own solo comic. Being married to Storm essentially means that would happen. They don't want that. It also means that Storm can be a prominent figure in both her solo comic, in Black Panther, and in other X Comics while being a power couple with the most popular black character MARVEL has. Which means it will come up in conversation, get mentioned more, and BP's presence becomes more prominent. This is something they don't want.
The only reason they're even truly paying attention to Black Panther now has nothing to do with them actually wanting him to succeed. It's to cash in on the popularity his character is getting with the movie on the horizon. But there's no long term plans in the MARVEL comics world to make T'Challa a main player. They want to confide him to his solo comic and use him sparingly anywhere else.
That's just how it is. If he and Storm get married again, they likely aren't breaking up, and that + the popularity of the Black Panther movie, and the selling of his comic FORCES Marvel to make him a main player in a lot of their future plans and outside of his solo comic and they don't [B]really [/B]want that.
It sucks for not just T'Challa but it sucks for Storm too. Because the two committed relationships that make the most sense for her narrative wise are T'Challa and Yukio. Two things MARVEL [B]doesn't[/B] ever want to do with a top tier character as I ranted about in the LGBT thread.
It's a sad pattern with MARVEL comics. I remember in Jessica Jones(the comic) how happy I was when her and Luke Cage became official. But I will never forget, in my happiness, I was told "That's great for them. Too bad you're never going to really see her(Jessica) again."
Essentially what was implied that, now that it was done, Jessica was going to be shoved even further into the background, and her and Luke Cage's relationship would only come up sparingly after that point. But there I was hoping Marvel was actually being progressive with interracial relationships. But again I was told "come back to me 10 years from now. That will be the only one of relevance still involving a Black male."
Guess what happened.
[img]https://m.popkey.co/c5b95b/MmEz_f-maxage-0.gif[/img]
Sadly I was told that in the comics world that they really have no problem if they're trying to do such a thing when it's a white man and a black woman at the top or even mid-top tier.
But the moment it's a black man and a white woman, or a black man in general that could be with a strong black woman(at the top tier) that the comics will shy away from it, or make it "disappear".
So I went back and thought all the way back in MARVEL back to Iron Fist with Misty Knight and the attention that pairing got and STILL going strong, it made me wonder if the races were reversed if the same thing would have happened. Then I went and compared it to Jessica Jones and Luke Cage and precisely what I was told would happen.. happened. Then for some reason I thought about the Cheerio's commercial and if there would have been such an outcry if it was a white man and a black woman instead of the other way around.
Nobody even brings up Bishop and Deathbird. Matter of fact when's the last time we've seen Bishop and Deathbird?
So it angered me. So we see T'Challa essentially being put in the same situation. Thing is, he is their most famous black character, so they can't relegate him solely to the background. But they want to in their own way, they want to [I]keep him confined [/I]to his solo book series, and don't want to put him in any situation that makes him a major player in the comics that they would have to focus on or at least respect outside of his solo series. and flare and a rich cultural history, but they want to keep him confined to the pages of his own solo comic series as opposed to making him a major player in the MARVEL comics outside of it as well. Logically it makes no sense. But when you think about it from the perspective they want to keep him limited to..it makes all the sense in the world why it's happening the way it is. Fact is.. If he married Storm, they likely wouldn't break up again and the snowball effect is he'd become a major player in comics outside of his own. They don't want that, so they will do everything they can to keep it at an arms length. "Safe" but not "committed"..... (sighs)
They could easily give him the level of importance that say.. a Tony Stark has. But they aren't going to. Yes.. they essentially have the potential for a Black Bruce Wayne/James Bond hybrid with his own style
AND DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE CLOAK AND DAGGER "TV SHOW" AND HOW THEY'RE PORTRAYING THEIR RELATIONSHIP!!!!
[img]https://media.tenor.com/images/c7b75ee5c7c245d29dc0b7305ea2f338/tenor.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Umm... why have you not accepted my friend request yet? And you know how emotional I get when you start posting about them like this!!! I'm bout to pass out on this here floor! Speak the truth of Damisa-Sarki and Hadari Yao into existence! Speak it, I say!
[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3195853]Oh, this ************! Why is he not in a billion pieces?[/QUOTE]
He's arguably marvels first super hero, so he wasn't gong to be killed. Though in the lest he did end up paying a heavy price for some of his actions, with Atlantis being destroyed too.
It's too bad Namor and T'Challa couldn't get their own mini in Secret Wars. They clearly were able to resolve their issues, but I would have liked to see it on panel.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3195858]Because T'Challa is never allowed to smite his real enemies accordingly.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]If you look for Pyrrhic Victory in the dictionary or Wikipedia, you'll see a picture of Black Panther next to it.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=XPac;3195881][B]He's arguably marvels first super hero, so he wasn't gong to be killed.[/B] Though in the lest he did end up paying a heavy price for some of his actions, with Atlantis being destroyed too.
It's too bad Namor and T'Challa couldn't get their own mini in Secret Wars. They clearly were able to resolve their issues, but I would have liked to see it on panel.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]See: Squadron Supreme. He may have been brought back to life but he was definitely killed.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Majesty;3195789]What it says is that the minds at the top that control whether or not books get published, don't want Ororo to be locked down and don't want T'Challa to be with anyone else.
Here's the main thing. As much as they don't want to admit it, MARVEL doesn't want their two most popular black characters married and in a relationship devoutly committed to one another. That's pretty much it.
Like I said in the LGBT relationship thread, they don't want any top tier 10-15 female characters to be in a relationship with each other (cause they're 'too important' to the narrative) as opposed to in the background where they don't have to see much of it.
The sad fact is, if T'Challa and Ororo were married again, there'd be no excuse for Marvel to break them up, ESPECIALLY with how Coates has made their reunion and Storm's awakening.
He essentially in 'comic terms' grew them both as characters and grew them closer together with a greater understanding of one another than they ever had before at a deeper level. T'Challa understands Storm's nature and who she is and accepts it in ways he "didn't" before, and Ororo finally understands what Wakanda means, and how it's a privilege to represent them.
With how that issue was done, it set in stone (bar terrible writing from another writer who wants to screw it up again), that if Storm and T'Challa got married again, they're likely staying married. Because any writer that wanted to break them up would have to formulate a story so outlandish it would get called out for it on the spot, and MARVEL would be in hot water for intentionally breaking up that marriage just to pair Storm with someone else.
They got away with it before, but nowadays especially with the popularity of Black Panther about to rise, they don't want to have to answer those questions.
But the fact of the matter is, MARVEL doesn't want T'Challa to be a main player in the MARVEL Universe outside of his own solo comic. Being married to Storm essentially means that would happen. They don't want that. It also means that Storm can be a prominent figure in both her solo comic, in Black Panther, and in other X Comics while being a power couple with the most popular black character MARVEL has. Which means it will come up in conversation, get mentioned more, and BP's presence becomes more prominent. This is something they don't want.
The only reason they're even truly paying attention to Black Panther now has nothing to do with them actually wanting him to succeed. It's to cash in on the popularity his character is getting with the movie on the horizon. But there's no long term plans in the MARVEL comics world to make T'Challa a main player. They want to confide him to his solo comic and use him sparingly anywhere else.
That's just how it is. If he and Storm get married again, they likely aren't breaking up, and that + the popularity of the Black Panther movie, and the selling of his comic FORCES Marvel to make him a main player in a lot of their future plans and outside of his solo comic and they don't [B]really [/B]want that.
It sucks for not just T'Challa but it sucks for Storm too. Because the two committed relationships that make the most sense for her narrative wise are T'Challa and Yukio. Two things MARVEL [B]doesn't[/B] ever want to do with a top tier character as I ranted about in the LGBT thread.
It's a sad pattern with MARVEL comics. I remember in Jessica Jones(the comic) how happy I was when her and Luke Cage became official. But I will never forget, in my happiness, I was told "That's great for them. Too bad you're never going to really see her(Jessica) again."
Essentially what was implied that, now that it was done, Jessica was going to be shoved even further into the background, and her and Luke Cage's relationship would only come up sparingly after that point. But there I was hoping Marvel was actually being progressive with interracial relationships. But again I was told "come back to me 10 years from now. That will be the only one of relevance still involving a Black male."
Guess what happened.
[img]https://m.popkey.co/c5b95b/MmEz_f-maxage-0.gif[/img]
Sadly I was told that in the comics world that they really have no problem if they're trying to do such a thing when it's a white man and a black woman at the top or even mid-top tier.
But the moment it's a black man and a white woman, or a black man in general that could be with a strong black woman(at the top tier) that the comics will shy away from it, or make it "disappear".
So I went back and thought all the way back in MARVEL back to Iron Fist with Misty Knight and the attention that pairing got and STILL going strong, it made me wonder if the races were reversed if the same thing would have happened. Then I went and compared it to Jessica Jones and Luke Cage and precisely what I was told would happen.. happened. Then for some reason I thought about the Cheerio's commercial and if there would have been such an outcry if it was a white man and a black woman instead of the other way around.
Nobody even brings up Bishop and Deathbird. Matter of fact when's the last time we've seen Bishop and Deathbird?
So it angered me. So we see T'Challa essentially being put in the same situation. Thing is, he is their most famous black character, so they can't relegate him solely to the background. But they want to in their own way, they want to [I]keep him confined [/I]to his solo book series, and don't want to put him in any situation that makes him a major player in the comics that they would have to focus on or at least respect outside of his solo series. and flare and a rich cultural history, but they want to keep him confined to the pages of his own solo comic series as opposed to making him a major player in the MARVEL comics outside of it as well. Logically it makes no sense. But when you think about it from the perspective they want to keep him limited to..it makes all the sense in the world why it's happening the way it is. Fact is.. If he married Storm, they likely wouldn't break up again and the snowball effect is he'd become a major player in comics outside of his own. They don't want that, so they will do everything they can to keep it at an arms length. "Safe" but not "committed"..... (sighs)
[B]They could easily give him the level of importance that say.. a Tony Stark has. But they aren't going to. Yes.. they essentially have the potential for a Black Bruce Wayne/James Bond hybrid with his own style[/B]
AND DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE CLOAK AND DAGGER "TV SHOW" AND HOW THEY'RE PORTRAYING THEIR RELATIONSHIP!!!!
[img]https://media.tenor.com/images/c7b75ee5c7c245d29dc0b7305ea2f338/tenor.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Perfect post. Agreed with everything but especially the bolded.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3195885][COLOR="#000080"]See: Squadron Supreme. He may have been brought back to life but he was definitely killed.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Sure, Hickman in theory could have killed him then brought him back. But Hickman was still using him in the Cabal.
Plus, I think Hickman wanted to have them mend things between them before he left marvel, and Namor being killed obviously wouldn't have accomplished that.
[QUOTE=XPac;3195900]Sure, Hickman in theory could have killed him then brought him back. But Hickman was still using him in the Cabal.
Plus, I think Hickman wanted to have them mend things between them before he left marvel, and Namor being killed obviously wouldn't have accomplished that.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Hickman could have had T'Challa kill Namor and then bring him back at the end of Secret Wars like he did everyone else. That would have showed the depth of T'Challa's magnanimity.
But the point was that Namor was not bullet-proof. He was allowed to be killed in a minor book so he should have been fair game.[/COLOR]