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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3739959]I can't think of an X-character that's had a longer, unobstructed streak of always being on a team, usually in charge.
I wouldn't say that X uses Storm best, but she's always at the forefront, even longer than Wolverine or Cyke (who've spent time dead).
Frankly, I think Storm needs a limbo dive, if only so that writers can bring her back to do something actually interesting with her.[/QUOTE]
I think Claremont gave Storm such a push (arguably to the detriment of Cyclops), that when that pushed stopped and Cyclops became the focal point again it sort of came off as a demontion in the eyes of some.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3739895]The often don't treat Thor and Hercules as gods in the Avenger books. It's sort of tough to consider a person a god when they're sort of your co-worker.
Gods I think are a bigger deal to the Wakandans because they still worship pantheon gods. But to someone like say Captain America, who orders gods around on a semi-regular basis, they're just really powerful super heroes.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Pac that's not true in the slightest. Thor and Hercules are always talking up their godhood in the Avengers and they often prove it time and time again. So no, Thor and Herc are not viewed like average Joe's.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3739978][COLOR="#000080"]Pac that's not true in the slightest. Thor and Hercules are always talking up their godhood in the Avengers and they often prove it time and time again. So no, Thor and Herc are not viewed like average Joe's.
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Sure they are talking up their god hood.... but that doesn't mean the other Avengers necessarily treat them any differently than anyone else simply because they are gods. They're respected teammates certainly... but they would get the same respect if they weren't gods. To most Avengers, it frankly doesn't matter.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3739983]Sure they are talking up their god hood.... but that doesn't mean the other Avengers necessarily treat them any differently than anyone else simply because they are gods. They're respected teammates certainly... but they would get the same respect if they weren't gods. To most Avengers, it frankly doesn't matter.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]The Avengers treat them differently for sure, just read the books.
Don't confuse worshipping them with respecting their godhood.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=XPac;3739969]I think Claremont gave Storm such a push (arguably to the detriment of Cyclops), that when that pushed stopped and Cyclops became the focal point again it sort of came off as a demontion in the eyes of some.[/QUOTE]
I don't think that Scott was hurt by any of Claremont's writing during that period. Chris said back then that what he wanted to do was give Scott and happy ending ( marry Maddie) and have him semi-retired from the team. From then on the main focus of the X-Men was to be the 70's/80's characters with Storm as the leader ( Prof X was written out as well).
This didn't last because Marvel decided to do X-Factor, but that's another story.
I think Storm as wallpaper is more of a 2000's on thing as more recent editors/writer simply didn't have plans for her.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3739902]I for one, wouldn't want to see T'challa worshipped as a "god. " (faux or otherwise)
I'm more invested in seeing him portrayed as a super genius intellectual Monarch of a superior nation of excellence.[/QUOTE]
[B]I wouldn't either. But that would be better then T'Challa abd Wakanda being thrown under the bus for Storm.[/B]
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3739902]I for one, wouldn't want to see T'challa worshipped as a "god. " (faux or otherwise)
I'm more invested in seeing him portrayed as a super genius intellectual Monarch of a superior nation of excellence.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Can't find him in his solo.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=XPac;3739933]Eh... I'm still not sure I buy that Wakandans can literally transform anyone off the street into a god if they worship them. I still think it likely needs more than that. But I suppose we'll never know until they try it again.
As far as T'Challa … like I said, he was a possible choice as well. Not sure Coates or marvel would be all that interested in turning BP into a god. BUt if they wanted to hypothetically, I suppose they could have here. In Storms case, because she already has one foot in the door anyways, it was a pretty easy call. But they could have taken the story in other directions if they wanted to.[/QUOTE]
[B] Except no one anywhere else is giving that any actual thought. It will be ignored. And yes they were regular people who ascended to godhood. No where did it say they were metas [/B]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3739990][COLOR="#000080"]The Avengers treat them differently for sure, just read the books.
Don't confuse worshipping them with respecting their godhood.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I don't believe there's an issue of Avengers I haven't read, and I can say pretty firmly that there are a good number of Avengers who are more respected than Hercules who aren't gods.
Not that they don't have a great deal of respect for Thor, but it's because Thor is Thor. Not because Thor is a god.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3740031][B] Except no one anywhere else is giving that any actual thought. It will be ignored. And yes they were regular people who ascended to godhood. No where did it say they were metas [/B][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]It's a plot point that won't be followed up outside the BP solo if it's ever mentioned again.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=ed2962;3739993]I don't think that Scott was hurt by any of Claremont's writing during that period. Chris said back then that what he wanted to do was give Scott and happy ending ( marry Maddie) and have him semi-retired from the team. From then on the main focus of the X-Men was to be the 70's/80's characters with Storm as the leader ( Prof X was written out as well).
This didn't last because Marvel decided to do X-Factor, but that's another story.
I think Storm as wallpaper is more of a 2000's on thing as more recent editors/writer simply didn't have plans for her.[/QUOTE]
A lot of stuff happened with Scott that I think did end up hurting him (though a lot of that was probably not directly under Claremonts control). But that's a whole other can of worms.
As for Storm, I'd say she's only wall paper if you compare her to how she was used as the height of Claremonts X-Men run. She had several books where she was the lead. It's less consistant than Wolverine or Cyclops when they are around... but I'd still say ahead of the majority of the core X-Men. But certainly she could be used better.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3740031][B] Except no one anywhere else is giving that any actual thought. It will be ignored. And yes they were regular people who ascended to godhood. No where did it say they were metas [/B][/QUOTE]
The book didn't say ANYTHING about the people who ascended to godhood.
But if we never see this again and it's just Storm that's elevated to godhood, that works too. I don't think we need Wakandans turning people into gods anytime they are in a jam. That's just too much of a plot device.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3740035]I don't believe there's an issue of Avengers I haven't read, and I can say pretty firmly that there are a good number of Avengers who are more respected than Hercules who aren't gods.
Not that they don't have a great deal of respect for Thor, but it's because Thor is Thor. Not because Thor is a god.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Read my post carefully. Who said that other Avengers couldn't be respected more? There are Avengers who are more respected than Herc. But they acknowledge and respect Herc's godhood.
Thor is Thor because he's a god. They weren't treating Eric Masterson the same as Thor Odinson.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3740051][COLOR="#000080"]Read my post carefully. Who said that other Avengers couldn't be respected more? There are Avengers who are more respected than Herc. But they acknowledge and respect Herc's godhood.
Thor is Thor because he's a god. They weren't treating Eric Masterson the same as Thor Odinson.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
And Eric Masterson frankly wasn't the hero Thor is.
Again, Thor is Thor because he's a hero. A hero who happens to be a god. There are plenty of gods the Avengers meet who they likely don't respect at all. In fact I'll wager the majority of gods the Avengers interact with (Thor and Herc being the obvious exceptions) are largely jerks.
To most super heroes, a god is just a powerful being who has lived a long time. Doesn't mean they are anymore or any less deserving of respect. When we see a scene with Thor, Cap, and Stark sitting talking do Stark or Steve treat Thor any differently than they really treat each other. He's a co-worker and a friend. If he wasn't a god they would treat him the exact same way.
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Let me see if I get this right:
Thor, Herc, and their ilk: Nigh-immortal members of extra-dimensional races with tremendous physical & mystical power: Not gods.
Ororo Munroe: Mutant offspring of ordinary human beings, until she received a mystical power-up that, near as can be determined, lasted a single issue: "sort of divine, anyway".
And that still doesn't explain why the Faux-rishas were able to be empowered by Wakandan prayers, but T'Challa couldn't be. Other than the RL reason that Coates WANTED "Blue" deified....