[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3664193]Okoye was uneasy with a super team in wakanda despite end if the world scenario.
So, doubtful.[/QUOTE]
In all fairness, part of that scenario meant drawing Thanos to Wakanda, so she was right to be uneasy ;)
Printable View
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3664193]Okoye was uneasy with a super team in wakanda despite end if the world scenario.
So, doubtful.[/QUOTE]
In all fairness, part of that scenario meant drawing Thanos to Wakanda, so she was right to be uneasy ;)
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3664193]Okoye was uneasy with a super team in wakanda despite end if the world scenario.
So, doubtful.[/QUOTE]
Okoye is one person.
Nate Moore talks about the future of BP.
[url]http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/05/15/black-panther-avengers-infinity-war-death-wakanda-movie-future/[/url]
[QUOTE=SKJoker;3663849]Already explained, but tl;dr - other black cultures associate with their particular culture. African-Americans associate with skin color.[/QUOTE]
If you're talking about 1st generation immigrants inside America then yeah... All immigrants do that. And most black immigrants come from majority black countries where referencing blackness becomes a little redundant.
But If you think black countries historically affected by the slave trade DON'T associate themselves with skin color you're wrong.
And I even think your assessment AAs is wrong. AAs DO associate with their culture not just their skin color.
I think you overestimate the amount of "lost" AAs that feel like they want to make a reconnection with Africa. Certain movements in history give off that vibe but that's a misnomer. Most AAs are content with their own AA culture and history.
It's like saying all Jamaicans wajnt to reconnect to Africa because of Rastafarians ( who are a minority).
[QUOTE=Dboi654;3664894]Nate Moore talks about the future of BP.
[url]http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/05/15/black-panther-avengers-infinity-war-death-wakanda-movie-future/[/url][/QUOTE]
I may be a lil cra in saying this but i do think Black Panther will lead out the next incarnation of the Avengers when all the dust settles. I just hope that he gets the same top bill as Captain America has now.
[QUOTE=dkrook;3664973]I may be a lil cra in saying this but i do think Black Panther will lead out the next incarnation of the Avengers when all the dust settles. I just hope that he gets the same top bill as Captain America has now.[/QUOTE]
Assuming Iron Man and Cap walk off into the sunset at the end of Avengers 4, I think it's fair to assume that Captain Marvel and Black Panther will fill that void. Black Panther was a huge hit. And based on how Avengers 3 ended, I think Carol will end up being a big player in the MCU moving foreward.
Really, it's almost starting to sound a little like the Ultimates.
"Black Panther is a mantle as much it's a character..."
Hmm...
[QUOTE=N'Jadaka;3664882]Okoye is one person.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, just a general, and one of the closest people to T'challa. I think it would be pretty safe to say that she knows what is goign on in the country.
But, if in your headcannon Wakanda is letting Roxxone mine vibranium, you do you homey.
[QUOTE=dkrook;3664973]I may be a lil cra in saying this but i do think Black Panther will lead out the next incarnation of the Avengers when all the dust settles. I just hope that he gets the same top bill as Captain America has now.[/QUOTE]
I don't see that crazy at all.
RDJ will want to do something else eventually, and no other character can logistically gather the Avengers in a short time. All T'Challa has to do is say 'Avengers Assemble' and he can have a 5 man team leaving Wakanda to gather the Avengers inside of an hour.
From a logical narrative standpoint, I don't see any other real choice. The only thing that could have stopped it would have been Chadwick bombing the Panther solo...and he didn't
To say the least ;)
[QUOTE=N'Jadaka;3665072]"Black Panther is a mantle as much it's a character..."
Hmm...[/QUOTE]
[B]I don't think he means that in the way you are interpreting[/B]
[QUOTE=XPac;3665064]Assuming Iron Man and Cap walk off into the sunset at the end of Avengers 4, I think it's fair to assume that Captain Marvel and Black Panther will fill that void. Black Panther was a huge hit. And based on how Avengers 3 ended, I think Carol will end up being a big player in the MCU moving foreward.
Really, it's almost starting to sound a little like the Ultimates.[/QUOTE]
And right now in the MU T'challa is now a focal member of the Avengers lineup in the relaunch.
Not that the comics and the MCU intersect that much.
[QUOTE=XPac;3665064]Assuming Iron Man and Cap walk off into the sunset at the end of Avengers 4, I think it's fair to assume that Captain Marvel and Black Panther will fill that void. Black Panther was a huge hit. And based on how Avengers 3 ended, I think Carol will end up being a big player in the MCU moving foreward.
Really, it's almost starting to sound a little like the Ultimates.[/QUOTE]
After making as much money as it did, it would probably be a safe assumption that T'challa gets a seat at the table regardless of who lives and dies in Avengers 4.
It'll be interesting to see what "reason" the new guard has to come together ever.
The old guard had SHIELD to bring them together + loki to drag in Thor (and then the sceptor to drag in Thor).
There really isn't anything yet connecting the new guard. Spidey is a kid. T'challa is a king. Captain Marvel is doing something in space. And Strange protects from magical threats only.
I mean, unless Tetu steals a Kree artifact and hides in NY... kind of a weird mix of characters there. (not the mention those 4 haven't never even met lol)
[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3665087]I don't see that crazy at all.
RDJ will want to do something else eventually, and no other character can logistically gather the Avengers in a short time. All T'Challa has to do is say 'Avengers Assemble' and he can have a 5 man team leaving Wakanda to gather the Avengers inside of an hour.
From a logical narrative standpoint, I don't see any other real choice. The only thing that could have stopped it would have been Chadwick bombing the Panther solo...and he didn't
To say the least ;)[/QUOTE]
I think the nature of the Avengers in part will determine who is the most logical person to lead.
If the Avengers are just a bunch of guys who do their own thing separately but come together when something big shows up, then T'Challa probably is the most logical person. He's the most connected person with the most resources.
If the Avengers however are a standing team that works and trains together as a team 24/7 like we saw at the end of Avengers 2 and Civil War, then T'Challas day job probably doesn't make him the most practical choice to lead the team. That's where a Captain Marvel might work better.
[QUOTE=XPac;3665064]Assuming Iron Man and Cap walk off into the sunset at the end of Avengers 4, I think it's fair to assume that Captain Marvel and Black Panther will fill that void. Black Panther was a huge hit. And based on how Avengers 3 ended, I think Carol will end up being a big player in the MCU moving foreward.
Really, it's almost starting to sound a little like the Ultimates.[/QUOTE]
Tony and Steve being on the team will not mean much. Disney is setting up the new team. Black Panther still will be the leader in Avengers 4. Wakanda will be the new Avengers headquarters.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3665104]After making as much money as it did, it would probably be a safe assumption that T'challa gets a seat at the table regardless of who lives and dies in Avengers 4.
It'll be interesting to see what "reason" the new guard has to come together ever.
The old guard had SHIELD to bring them together + loki to drag in Thor (and then the sceptor to drag in Thor).
There really isn't anything yet connecting the new guard. Spidey is a kid. T'challa is a king. Captain Marvel is doing something in space. And Strange protects from magical threats only.
I mean, unless Tetu steals a Kree artifact and hides in NY... kind of a weird mix of characters there. (not the mention those 4 haven't never even met lol)[/QUOTE]
It might be a similar rationale to what brought the Ultimates together.
Thanos proves there are big threats out there, which potentially require super heroes to be ready just in case. That alone might be a reason to keep the gang together or a least have everyone keep in touch.
There's also the Infinity Stones. Maybe at the end they pull an Illuminati and have various members keep a stone. That would sort of keep them together.
[QUOTE=blacksonic;3665110]Tony and Steve being on the team will not mean much. Disney is setting up the new team. Black Panther still will be the leader in Avengers 4. Wakanda will be the new Avengers headquarters.[/QUOTE]
This is marvel. If the Avengers have another head quarters it will be in New York. But they have it connected to the Wakandan Embassy, like they did in Ultimates.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3664411][video=youtube;uBYzYji4rmE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBYzYji4rmE[/video]
This is one of their better ones. So many great one liners.
"leaving its haters with only one option, watching every other MCU movie ever made"
"nope becauset his Marvel Hero Just. Won't. Quipp"[/QUOTE]
[B] I don't understand why people are so critical of the cgi. It was only in a small portion with the mine fight and the rhino's, otherwise the cgi was good.
Also I think the scene with Okoye send W'kabi would of made people shut up about underdeveloped love between then as well as his heel turn[/B]
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3665104]After making as much money as it did, it would probably be a safe assumption that T'challa gets a seat at the table regardless of who lives and dies in Avengers 4.
It'll be interesting to see what "reason" the new guard has to come together ever.
The old guard had SHIELD to bring them together + loki to drag in Thor (and then the sceptor to drag in Thor).
There really isn't anything yet connecting the new guard. Spidey is a kid. T'challa is a king. Captain Marvel is doing something in space. And Strange protects from magical threats only.
I mean, unless Tetu steals a Kree artifact and hides in NY... kind of a weird mix of characters there. (not the mention those 4 haven't never even met lol)[/QUOTE]
[B]They could go the Ultimates route. Place them as a team to stop threats to earth before they become a threat. But done right instead of becoming a stealth Galactus solo.[/B]
[QUOTE=XPac;3665113]This is marvel. If the Avengers have another head quarters it will be in New York. But they have it connected to the Wakandan Embassy, like they did in Ultimates.[/QUOTE]
This is marvel. Avengers head quarters it will be in Wakanda. New team will be Avengers only in name. New team will really be Illuminati.
[QUOTE=XPac;3665107]I think the nature of the Avengers in part will determine who is the most logical person to lead.
If the Avengers are just a bunch of guys who do their own thing separately but come together when something big shows up, then T'Challa probably is the most logical person. He's the most connected person with the most resources.
If the Avengers however are a standing team that works and trains together as a team 24/7 like we saw at the end of Avengers 2 and Civil War, then T'Challas day job probably doesn't make him the most practical choice to lead the team. That's where a Captain Marvel might work better.[/QUOTE]
I don't see a standing, 24/hour team in the MU's future. That would curtail too many threats requiring the solo movies to handle them. There aren't enough threats out there, unlike in comics and it would undercut the drama of the solo movies.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3665118][B] I don't understand why people are so critical of the cgi. It was only in a small portion with the mine fight and the rhino's, otherwise the cgi was good.
Also I think the scene with Okoye send W'kabi would of made people shut up about underdeveloped love between then as well as his heel turn[/B][/QUOTE]
I will be honest, apart from the action the CGI was not that great in some areas but I blame that mostly on Marvel/Feige for employing the best CGI supervisors for IW and the lesser ones for BP.
[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3665131]I don't see a standing, 24/hour team in the MU's future. That would curtail too many threats requiring the solo movies to handle them. There aren't enough threats out there, unlike in comics and it would undercut the drama of the solo movies.[/QUOTE]
I suppose they could compromise and create a standing team consisting of the people who don't have solo movies (ie Scarlet Witch, Vision, Falcon, Hawkeye, War Machine). The solo movie people can be reserve Avengers who just show up for the Avengers movies.
[QUOTE=blacksonic;3665129]This is marvel. Avengers head quarters it will be in Wakanda. New team will be Avengers only in name. New team will really be Illuminati.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they would go there, because that essentially makes the next Black Panther solo movie an Avengers movie rather than a Black Panther movie.
I think having the Avengers in Wakanda potentially would steal a bit of the spotlight from the BP supporting cast.
[QUOTE=N'Jadaka;3663824]Yeah, I'm not AA, I'm Haitian but I identified strongly with Killmonger, and his throne room speech reminded me of a very particular revered figure in Haitian history so much it almost made me think Coogler and Cole studied him...
Killmonger's slave descendent side could have worked with any African diasporan, but obviously this American film, directed by an AA, screenplay written by AAs, is going to be to be from the POV of AAs.
No big deal.
This movie is one big huge parallel for the entire African diaspora. Close to 2 billion globally can see and experience themselves in this film. That's one of the many things that makes this film so powerful and significant on a cultural level.[/QUOTE]
If you don't mind me going on a tangent. Have you read All Souls Rising? A docudrama trilogy about the Haitian revaluation. Im just wondering if they teach the revaluation similarly to the story in that book series?
[QUOTE=XPac;3665139]I suppose they could compromise and create a standing team consisting of the people who don't have solo movies (ie Scarlet Witch, Vision, Falcon, Hawkeye, War Machine). The solo movie people can be reserve Avengers who just show up for the Avengers movies.[/QUOTE]
The problem with that though, is when someone threatens the world in say, Spider-Man or Ant-Man, they'll have to answer the logical question of 'Where are the Avengers?'
[QUOTE=XPac;3665139]I suppose they could compromise and create a standing team consisting of the people who don't have solo movies (ie Scarlet Witch, Vision, Falcon, Hawkeye, War Machine). The solo movie people can be reserve Avengers who just show up for the Avengers movies.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like West Coast Avengers. :D
[QUOTE=XPac;3665141]I don't think they would go there, because that essentially makes the next Black Panther solo movie an Avengers movie rather than a Black Panther movie.
I think having the Avengers in Wakanda potentially would steal a bit of the spotlight from the BP supporting cast.[/QUOTE]
Shuri will be in other films and on the Avengers.
[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3665155]The problem with that though, is when someone threatens the world in say, Spider-Man or Ant-Man, they'll have to answer the logical question of 'Where are the Avengers?'[/QUOTE]
It wasn't a problem during the Ant-Man or Spider-Man man film. There was an Avengers presence, but it was still a solo movie. "Where are the Avengers?" is always a valid question to ask, but it's worlable.
[QUOTE=blacksonic;3665162]Shuri will be in other films and on the Avengers.[/QUOTE]
Yeah Shuri can be in the Avengers film, but the question is do you want the Avengers in the BP film.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3665160]Sounds like West Coast Avengers. :D[/QUOTE]
Hell, maybe they can borrow Mockingbird. West Coast Avengers would be cool.
[QUOTE=XPac;3665194]Yeah Shuri can be in the Avengers film, but the question is do you want the Avengers in the BP film.[/QUOTE]
Depends on if Avengers main head quarters it will be in Wakanda or not.
[QUOTE=blacksonic;3665221]Depends on if Avengers main head quarters it will be in Wakanda or not.[/QUOTE]
That's why I'm kind of assuming it won't be in Wakanda. Like I said, having the Avengers hanging out in Wakanda potentially steals a bit of the thunder of the BP supporting cast in future BP solo movies.
[QUOTE=N'Jadaka;3665072]"Black Panther is a mantle as much it's a character..."
Hmm...[/QUOTE]
Yup, not looking good. Coats Coogler and Nate....all one word.
[QUOTE=XPac;3665192]It wasn't a problem during the Ant-Man or Spider-Man man film. There was an Avengers presence, but it was still a solo movie. "Where are the Avengers?" is always a valid question to ask, but it's worlable.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, in Ant-Man they dismissed using the Avengers out of mistrust. That won't work when Scott is on the team.
And honestly, I did think that Spidey having Stark on speed dial undercut some of the drama/tension
[QUOTE=N'Jadaka;3665072]"Black Panther is a mantle as much it's a character..."
Hmm...[/QUOTE]
Isn't it a mantle? Pretty sure it's called that inn the comics too.
[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3665232]Yeah, in Ant-Man they dismissed using the Avengers out of mistrust. That won't work when Scott is on the team.
And honestly, I did think that Spidey having Stark on speed dial undercut some of the drama/tension[/QUOTE]
The more interconnected the shared universe is, the more that question will sort of linger in the background. Why didn't Coulson ask the Avengers for assistance one or two times when things were really hardy in Agents of SHIELD. Why didn't Jessica Jones call up Luke Cage to help her with her super powered mother. It's something one way or another they will have to manage, the way comics have been managing for decades. With our without a standing team of Avengers, if a crisis is big enough the question of calling in other heroes will always be lingering in the background, and will likely need to be addressed.
It can be as simple as the Avengers being out of town if need be. Or it can simply be ignored. Not the best option, but it works in a pinch.
[QUOTE=N'Jadaka;3665072]"Black Panther is a mantle as much it's a character..."
Hmm...[/QUOTE]
I just hope some of my speculations won't come to fruition.
If it does, then its going to be a big slap to this face.
What are we talking about with this mantle conversation.
[QUOTE=Cville;3665271]What are we talking about with this mantle conversation.[/QUOTE]
I think it relates to the fact that the mantle will be passed to someone else other than the main character.
Not particularly sure but that's what I suspect.
[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3665131]I don't see a standing, 24/hour team in the MU's future. That would curtail too many threats requiring the solo movies to handle them. There aren't enough threats out there, unlike in comics and it would undercut the drama of the solo movies.[/QUOTE]
I would see that as more of a plus. That will allow writers to earn their keep and craft so good stories. Personally i have so more faith in the movie side than the comics. Hell they might need to get some of those writers into the comics.