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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3127242][B]The REAL T'Challa. Turns out mopey pants is just a clone, that he needed to keep things covered while he built the empire. Hell I would love to see a separate story based on him building the empire and the things they saw out there [/B][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]No, the real T'Challa wouldn't leave a frak up like that to screw isht up this bad.
I believe that Coate's run is the alternate reality. All this time we thought we were reading about the true BP but this isn't our MU reality. The real BP in our MU reality has already amassed a galactic empire while this alternate stooge can't make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich without 3 people to help him.
That would explain everything.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;3126004]Torres drew the panels involving the Midnight Angels (beginning and end) + Aneka and T'Challa talking via comm link.
Sprouse drew the panels involving T'Challa and Shuri.[/QUOTE]
OK. Sprouse's art is definitely the stronger art. I didn't mind the other parts, but I get the criticism.
[QUOTE=Vic Vega;3126200]You know, it was the silver/bronze age stuff that specifically credited T'Challa for Wakanda's advancement. Especially the
McGregor stuff.[/quote]
Just to be clear - explicitly Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. It's core to the original Fantastic Four stories that introduce the Black Panther.
I'm at a handicap since I'm not reading the primer pages until I buy the issue they're in, but I'm curious if Thompson is trying to retcon away Hudlin's version or if they're just following the earlier version. Of the two, I actually think Hudlin's Wakanda is more interesting (even if I don't like it in every detail). But I can't complain with an attempt to reconcile the two or to reference Jack Kirby and Stan Lee.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3127269]OK. Sprouse's art is definitely the stronger art. I didn't mind the other parts, but I get the criticism.
Just to be clear - explicitly Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. It's core to the original Fantastic Four stories that introduce the Black Panther.
I'm at a handicap since I'm not reading the primer pages until I buy the issue they're in, but I'm curious if Thompson is trying to retcon away Hudlin's version or if they're just following the earlier version. Of the two, I actually think Hudlin's Wakanda is more interesting (even if I don't like it in every detail). But I can't complain with an attempt to reconcile the two or to reference Jack Kirby and Stan Lee.[/QUOTE]
[B]Again simply merge the two, Wakanda was advanced for centuries like hudlin showed. When Tchaka died Tchalla advanced Wakanda further then any other BP in history. But if they want to go the angle that it was T'Chaka instead and Tchalla created the galactic empire then whatever he need's something to be honest [/B]
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T'Challa is on the cover of Avengers: No Surrender and Ewing is one out of the three writers, Waid has given me some pause with how terrible he wrote Miles pre-Secret Empire
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3127651][B]Again simply merge the two, Wakanda was advanced for centuries like hudlin showed. When Tchaka died Tchalla advanced Wakanda further then any other BP in history. But if they want to go the angle that it was T'Chaka instead and Tchalla created the galactic empire then whatever he need's something to be honest [/B][/QUOTE]
Once upon a time T'Challa was credited for advancing Wakanda, then in another time Wakanda was that and a bag of chips before him. Now in 2017 it's T'Chaka with the marketed credit bc that's the quickest cheapest out the microwave tie-in connection to the "legacy" theme that Marvel could pull out their ass for T'Challa (m.g., following his dad's "legacy").
That's pretty much what's happening. Kinda lame too, but whatever.
All the rah rah rah hair splitting trying to piece together a chronology of what writer did what first... yea whatever i guess lol.
Perhaps the intergalactic empire is T'Challa "continuing" his dad's legacy, like you brought up.
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;3127761]T'Challa is on the cover of Avengers: No Surrender and Ewing is one out of the three writers, Waid has given me some pause with how terrible he wrote Miles pre-Secret Empire[/QUOTE]
I have more confidence in him writing T'Challa then I do him writing a Spider-Man character.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;3126882]That's funny. Chevy Chase might have been a choice for Ross back in the day.[/QUOTE]
Hopefully not. Didn't he drop the "N" word years ago during his "Community" days?
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[QUOTE=MoneySpider;3128033]Hopefully not. Didn't he drop the "N" word years ago during his "Community" days?[/QUOTE]
I thought that was Michael Richards aka Kramer.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;3128058]I thought that was Michael Richards aka Kramer.[/QUOTE]
Chase said it as well and it and many other things lead to him being written off the show
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[QUOTE=Frontier;3127770]I have more confidence in him writing T'Challa then I do him writing a Spider-Man character.[/QUOTE]
Miles and Kamala seem to be tough to write, since I only enjoy when done by their respective creators.
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;3128060]Chase said it as well and it and many other things lead to him being written off the show[/QUOTE]
Eff Flectch then
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[QUOTE=XPac;3124995]Again, it was a feat that was already taken from T'Challa in Hudlin run. It's a retcon of a retcon. Hudlin took the feat from T'Challa, and Coates gave it to T'Chaka.
Truthfully I think all of it was unecessary though. They probably should have just stayed with the original version. Though in all fairness Hudlins probably made the mist sense.[/QUOTE]
Exactly
I always preferred Hudlin’s because even though he took a feat from T’Challa, he gave it to Wakanada itself, which made T’Challa’s improvements to the lineage all the more special.
Of all the crap Coates has pulled, giving this particular feat to T’Chaka is the least egregious.
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[QUOTE=Lord Morph;3125829]I haven't been keeping up intensely with the discussion, but has anyone brought up the idea that T'Challa could have brought forth the Galactic Empire when he restored Wakanda and the universe after Secret Wars? Since this is during the present and this empire has been established so suddenly, it could easily be explained by the use of an infinity gem.[/QUOTE]
So he could use the gem to create an entire Galactic empire but couldn’t bring Shuri back and couldn’t restore his people’s faith in him having saved the entire UNIVERSE, thus avoiding an insurgency?
Coates would REALLY have some explaining to do...
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[QUOTE=XPac;3127035]Yeah, I think T'Challa building Wakanda into a Galactic Empire defiantly puts him head and shoulders above the previous BPs. A little bit of that was arguably lost after a few retcons here and rgere, but between his actions in Hickman Secret Wars and him building a Galactic Empire here, his standing is essentially untouchable. On the Wakanda Mount Rushmore first there's T'Challa, then there's everyone else.[/QUOTE]
T’Challa SAVING THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE is his biggest feat and more than puts him above any and all previous BP’s.
I honestly for the life of me can’t understand why that’s not a bigger deal. Without T’Challa there is no Marvel Universe.
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[QUOTE=MoneySpider;3128033]Hopefully not. Didn't he drop the "N" word years ago during his "Community" days?[/QUOTE]
Yes he did and ironically it was in reference to him complaining about how racist his character on the show was.