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[QUOTE=XPac;1672627]That's the power of a cartoon.
I seriously wonder how many people would even know who Aquaman is if not for the old Super Friends cartoon back in the day.[/QUOTE]
True, though it can also be a a double-edged sword because, while it makes a character notable, it can also lead to a bad reputation depending upon their cartoon portrayal. Like how a lot of people just think of Aquaman as the guy who talks to fish instead of being a strong Superhero in his own right.
Panther's lucky in that he's, generally, had pretty good cartoon portrayals consistently in the last decade even with his absence ever since EMH ended. Hopefully Assemble's version is also good :).
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[QUOTE=XPac;1672640]I didn't watch the episode, but I always hoped King Hyperion would show up in marvel that way. Him taking on an entire team of Avengers the way Nefaria sometimes did in some of his epic encounters would have been pretty cool.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;UWuHIBAR77g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWuHIBAR77g[/video]
This is just a 3 min clip of one of their encounters but i skimmed the episode descriptions on wiki and they fought him and the SS a handful of times that season. So if that show is popular, then no doubt in my mind all the kiddies are fairly aware of him.
And it'll likely be even better added publicity for BP whenever this next season starts.
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"Thanks Hawkeye"!
LOL priceless :)
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It makes sense for Lego to combine their Marvel range but Giant Man is a definite spoiler I feel lol
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Nighthawk would last a minute against TChalla unless there has been some serious upgrades made to him. Power Princess would be the better matchup.MAC vs Thundra wouls be interesting.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;1672908]Nighthawk would last a minute against TChalla unless there has been some serious upgrades made to him. Power Princess would be the better matchup.MAC vs Thundra wouls be interesting.[/QUOTE]
[B]It all depends on what book the fight takes place. T'Challa would overpower Nighthawk realistically. As he has tackled opponents superior to himself and he has made a career out of it, So he shouldnt have problems with him. In fact, since he has made such a career, it was almost insulting how He admitted to the batman analogue that he was a superior fighter and that the stalemated. Because T'Challa can and would beat batman.[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1672942][B]It all depends on what book the fight takes place. T'Challa would overpower Nighthawk realistically. As he has tackled opponents superior to himself and he has made a career out of it, So he shouldnt have problems with him. In fact, since he has made such a career, it was almost insulting how He admitted to the batman analogue that he was a superior fighter and that the stalemated. Because T'Challa can and would beat batman.[/B][/QUOTE]
So freakin' true!
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Concept art from Civil War
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/hZOLRhN.png[/IMG]
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[img]http://s10.postimg.org/3xy562vu1/Capture.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1672942][B]It all depends on what book the fight takes place. T'Challa would overpower Nighthawk realistically. As he has tackled opponents superior to himself and he has made a career out of it, So he shouldnt have problems with him. In fact, since he has made such a career, it was almost insulting how He admitted to the batman analogue that he was a superior fighter and that the stalemated. Because T'Challa can and would beat batman.[/B][/QUOTE]
Batman is a lot of times written to be peak human in DC. He shouldn't be but he is
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[QUOTE=Holt;1673445]Concept art from Civil War
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/hZOLRhN.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Now THAT is the muscular panther I want. This is amazing
[img]http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/04/Amazing-gif.gif?gs=a[/img]
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That's a great image.
As much as I love Bucky he's getting Fitz-ed [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuH8oUM12hs[/url]
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Poor Hawkeye tho lol
Hes just looking around, probably thinking, "wtf guys, im going back to the farm"
And War Hammer? wut?
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;1672908]Nighthawk would last a minute against TChalla unless there has been some serious upgrades made to him. Power Princess would be the better matchup.MAC vs Thundra wouls be interesting.[/QUOTE]
Though I certainly agree T'Challa should win, I suspect Nighthawk will be able to hold his own.
It'll probably look a lot like when the Illuminati fought the Great Society, and T'Challa fought that teams Batman analogue.
I think Princess Power will likely be paired off with Carol. They have fought before, with Zarda actually getting the better of Carol since she couldn't go Binary at the time.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1673451]Batman is a lot of times written to be peak human in DC. He shouldn't be but he is[/QUOTE]
All street level heroes are pretty much written SLIGHTLY super human. A ton of the things that Batman and Daredevil and Nightwing do should be considered superhuman by any realistic standard. Until you get to the level of a Spider-Man you usually can't tell the difference.
That's just how it is. Comics are a visual medium and a lot of street level feats pretty much all look the same.
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[QUOTE=Holt;1673445]Concept art from Civil War
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/hZOLRhN.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I think it's sort of funny how the member of Starks team that Caps side appears to be double teaming is Black Widow... the obviously weakest link in the group. I would think Falcon or Steve would need the help more than Scott does.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1672942][B]It all depends on what book the fight takes place. T'Challa would overpower Nighthawk realistically. As he has tackled opponents superior to himself and he has made a career out of it, So he shouldnt have problems with him. In fact, since he has made such a career, it was almost insulting how He admitted to the batman analogue that he was a superior fighter and that the stalemated. Because T'Challa can and would beat batman.[/B][/QUOTE]
Did T'Challa actually tell the Batman guy that he was the superior fighter? Wow... I don't remember that.
Frankly I was actually happy with the Stalemate since T'Challa was the only member of the Illuminti in that fight who didn't flat out get their behind handed to them (apart from Strange obviously). It was a nice little thing that helped make T'Challa stand out a bit from the rest of the group.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1673604]Did T'Challa actually tell the Batman guy that he was the superior fighter? Wow... I don't remember that.
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Exact quote was...
"You fight well, possibly better than I, but it will not be enough for either of us. It doesn't have to be this way"
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What do you guys recommend for a guy who always liked Black Panther (he's basically the ultimate badass + genius physicist) but never read that much about him? I do want to jump on the bandwagon (before he becomes huge, with CW and his own movie, lol!).
Thanks!;)
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[QUOTE=Dr. Banner;1673634]What do you guys recommend for a guy who always liked Black Panther (he's basically the ultimate badass + genius physicist) but never read that much about him? I do want to jump on the bandwagon (before he becomes huge, with CW and his own movie, lol!).
Thanks!;)[/QUOTE]
Priest's run, it was actually just collected so you can find it easily now.
See Wakanda and Die by Aaron is the shortest story to get the gist of T'challa and Wakanda
David Liss's run on the character is different in the sense that the story is much smaller, but he wrote T'challa perfectly.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1673632]Exact quote was...
"You fight well, possibly better than I, but it will not be enough for either of us. It doesn't have to be this way"[/QUOTE]
What book is this from
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[QUOTE=Moose100;1673643]What book is this from[/QUOTE]
illuminati vs great society
when T'challa fought Ryder
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1673632]Exact quote was...
"You fight well, possibly better than I, but it will not be enough for either of us. It doesn't have to be this way"[/QUOTE]
I guess that's an indicator that Hickman believes Batman would have an edge over T'Challa in terms of skill. Which in theory might explain the stalemate since T'Challa likely had the better physical stats.
Admittedly that wouldn't necessarily apply to comparisons with NIghthawk. Despite being an obvious Batman analogue he never demonstrated the level of skill that that actual Batman has (after all Batman is Batman). Still, I suspect Nighthawk will be able to hold his own.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1673719]illuminati vs great society
when T'challa fought Ryder[/QUOTE]
Oh right. lol. He's a Nighthawk analogue.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1673720]I guess that's an indicator that Hickman believes Batman would have an edge over T'Challa in terms of skill. Which in theory might explain the stalemate since T'Challa likely had the better physical stats.
Admittedly that wouldn't necessarily apply to comparisons with NIghthawk. Despite being an obvious Batman analogue he never demonstrated the level of skill that that actual Batman has (after all Batman is Batman). Still, I suspect Nighthawk will be able to hold his own.[/QUOTE]
Didn't Ryder say it to T'Challa and not the other way around?
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I think you guys are overblowing a compliment.
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[QUOTE=neohuey89;1673767]Didn't Ryder say it to T'Challa and not the other way around?[/QUOTE]
I've just read it; It's T'Challa who says it to Ryder.
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Some more Black Panther merchandise, this time from Hot Toys.
[IMG]http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/toy-soul17.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=Holt;1673869]Some more Black Panther merchandise, this time from Hot Toys.
[IMG]http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/toy-soul17.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I want one
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[QUOTE=Double 0;1673769]I think you guys are overblowing a compliment.[/QUOTE]
Considering the fight was a stalemate anyways I don't think the compliment meant much either.
If one was more skilled or physically superior to the other, it was likely just by a hair. No one looked bad there.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1672942][B]It all depends on what book the fight takes place. T'Challa would overpower Nighthawk realistically. As he has tackled opponents superior to himself and he has made a career out of it, So he shouldnt have problems with him. In fact, since he has made such a career, it was almost insulting how He admitted to the batman analogue that he was a superior fighter and that the stalemated. Because T'Challa can and would beat batman.[/B][/QUOTE]
I found it to be very insulting, but not surprising considering the writer...
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[QUOTE=XPac;1673720]I guess that's an indicator that Hickman believes Batman would have an edge over T'Challa in terms of skill. Which in theory might explain the stalemate since T'Challa likely had the better physical stats.
Admittedly that wouldn't necessarily apply to comparisons with NIghthawk. Despite being an obvious Batman analogue he never demonstrated the level of skill that that actual Batman has (after all Batman is Batman). Still, I suspect Nighthawk will be able to hold his own.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=4sake Baned;1673921]I found it to be very insulting, but not surprising considering the writer...[/QUOTE]
[B]Its for the simple fact that T'Challa never tells anyone thy are better then him, and TChalla has faced opponents superior to him in terms of physicals and fighting skills and has beaten them (Super Skrulls) so for him to stalemate a batman analogue and tell him he is better it seems... Unbelievable given his history, attitude and carrer of overcoming opponents out of his weight class [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1673969][B]Its for the simple fact that T'Challa never tells anyone thy are better then him, and TChalla has faced opponents superior to him in terms of physicals and fighting skills and has beaten them (Super Skrulls) so for him to stalemate a batman analogue and tell him he is better it seems... Unbelievable given his history, attitude and carrer of overcoming opponents out of his weight class [/B][/QUOTE]
It is theoretically possible that T'Challa would have eventually overcome the Batman guy too. He didn't LOSE the fight (which unfortunately cant' be said for most of T'Challa's teamates at the time). It was a stalemate that ended without an actual victor. It's ENTIRELY possible he would have done and they just never got around to finding out one way or another.
It did sort of remind me actually of the fight Batman had with Captain America in JLA/Avengers back in the day. Batman conceded that Captain America would probably win, and that it was essentially pointless for them to continue fighting. That PERHAPS is what T'CHalla was going for here. Obviously it didn't work quite as well as when Batman tried it.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1674002]It is theoretically possible that T'Challa would have eventually overcome the Batman guy too. He didn't LOSE the fight (which unfortunately cant' be said for most of T'Challa's teamates at the time). It was a stalemate that ended without an actual victor. It's ENTIRELY possible he would have done and they just never got around to finding out one way or another.
It did sort of remind me actually of the fight Batman had with Captain America in JLA/Avengers back in the day. Batman conceded that Captain America would probably win, and that it was essentially pointless for them to continue fighting. That PERHAPS is what T'CHalla was going for here. Obviously it didn't work quite as well as when Batman tried it.[/QUOTE]
[B]Maybe, but just given his career is taking down heavy hitters (Super skrulls, Namor, Iron man with windex...) its hard to believe that statement that he was a superior fighter, it makes it even more odd considering it was just some nobody created by Hickman to be discarded like garbage when he was progressing his story.
Either way, the point im getting at is i think with SS and Ultimates class, Nighthawk would lose against T'Challa [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;1674027][B]Maybe, but just given his career is taking down heavy hitters (Super skrulls, Namor, Iron man with windex...) its hard to believe that statement that he was a superior fighter, it makes it even more odd considering it was just some nobody created by Hickman to be discarded like garbage when he was progressing his story.
Either way, the point im getting at is i think with SS and Ultimates class, Nighthawk would lose against T'Challa [/B][/QUOTE]
On paper, that likely would be the case. Nighthawk may be a Batman analogue but he doesn't quite have the feats of the real deal.
But given the nature of the situation, the likely outcome of a fight between the Squadron and pretty much anyone really is that they're either going to win or at least escape. Obviously they can't be captured if they've got their own book (two books in Hyperion and Nighthawks case). So by hook or by crook, the Avengers (or Ultimates) will likely have to fail. At least for now.
I do think they tried softening the blow by making it clear in Avengers 0 that Nighthawk has been preparing his team to fight the Avengers, so we're not necessarily dealing with a level playing field. At least for round one.
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Ryder was a batman analogue but we have no idea about how powerful he was.He could have been as powerful as TChalla. He could have Spidey level strength. I took it as Hickman not wanting to do a fight and play everyone as equals. So when Namor goes Namor, it has an impact. The Great Society was supposed to represent the hope that they the Illuminati had lost.Still as a BP fan i much rather see my guy knock fools out.
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I'm a little surprised some of yall didn't remember the BP quote. When I first read it, I'd immediately thought back to Busiek's Avengers vs Justice League crossover and how Black Panther's quote to the 'Batman analogue' was essentially a flip on what Busiek had Batman 'admit' to Captain America.
[url]http://i.imgur.com/CLDg1w3.jpg[/url]
Basically Hickman IMO felt the Illumnati was inferior to the Justice League (aside form Blackbolt trumping the youthful Kyle Rayner equivalent) but that Dr Strange was the ultimate trump card/deus ex machina.
Hell, the Hulk vs Sun God fight was essentially a redux of Superman vs Thor, near verbatim
Hulk: "i'm the strongest there is!"
Thor: " i'm the mightest in nine realms!"
Sun God: "maybe in your universe monster... but not in this one!"
Superman: "sorry pal, but in my world... looks like the dial... goes up to eleven!"
*WHAM!*
Hulk: :(
Thor: :(
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;1674062]Ryder was a batman analogue but we have no idea about how powerful he was.He could have been as powerful as TChalla. He could have Spidey level strength. I took it as Hickman not wanting to do a fight and play everyone as equals. So when Namor goes Namor, it has an impact. The Great Society was supposed to represent the hope that they the Illuminati had lost.Still as a BP fan i much rather see my guy knock fools out.[/QUOTE]
The interesting to me was how that story arc was framed. The Illuminati were essentially the bad guys. They came to that world with a bomb to blow them up (not that they didn't have good reason to given the circumstances). The Great Society represented life and hope... which translated to them being the good guys. And like good guys typically do, they proceeded to beat the crap out of the bad guys that had come into their world to murder them and destroy it. Or at least that's what they did until Strange want all plot device on them.
So it actually made sense to me that he had the Great Society kicking @$$... and that usually doesn't happen when JLA analogues are fighting marvel characters.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;1674062]Ryder was a batman analogue but we have no idea about how powerful he was.He could have been as powerful as TChalla. He could have Spidey level strength. I took it as Hickman not wanting to do a fight and play everyone as equals. So when Namor goes Namor, it has an impact. The Great Society was supposed to represent the hope that they the Illuminati had lost.Still as a BP fan i much rather see my guy knock fools out.[/QUOTE]
[B]He is suppose to be a batman equivalent so it wouldn't be a stretch to think of him around peak human. But the insulting thing about it though really, is that T'Challa says admits that ryder is better and out fighting him and ryder was injured by Namor, so he is already at a disadvantage and hes stalemates T'Challa.[/B]
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Yeah if Ryder is a Batman replacement he shouldnt win...Batman is always the weak link in JL vs Lineups in my book sure with Prep he is great but usually its just Bat Plot Armor.
although its funny Black Panther is basically on the JL Now: Blue Marvel (Superman), Black Panther (Batman), Captain Marvel (Wonder Woman), Monica (Green Lantern) and Ms. America (Big Barda) or something.