Im happy he got an ongoing but I can't saying i like the premise
I'll have to wait and see.
Having T'Challa bound to Wakanda doing stuff that has no effect an anywhere else in the universe will do nothing to effect his profile in the MU at large.
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Im happy he got an ongoing but I can't saying i like the premise
I'll have to wait and see.
Having T'Challa bound to Wakanda doing stuff that has no effect an anywhere else in the universe will do nothing to effect his profile in the MU at large.
[QUOTE=CCSlim;1498793]Im happy he got an ongoing but I can't saying i like the premise
I'll have to wait and see.
Having T'Challa bound to Wakanda doing stuff that has no effect an anywhere else in the universe will do nothing to effect his profile in the MU at large.[/QUOTE]
But that's the upside of being in more than 1 book. He can do more self-contained stuff in his solo while he can be a part of the greater MU in Ultimates. Best of both worlds.
[QUOTE=CCSlim;1498793]Im happy he got an ongoing but I can't saying i like the premise
I'll have to wait and see.
[B]Having T'Challa bound to Wakanda doing stuff that has no effect an anywhere else in the universe will do nothing to effect his profile in the MU at large[/B].[/QUOTE]
It doesn't have to. You don't need a character to be bold to the whole MU universe. When Thor is facing issues in Asgard they don't really affect Earth at all times unless the writers want it to
[QUOTE=CCSlim;1498793]Im happy he got an ongoing but I can't saying i like the premise
I'll have to wait and see.
Having T'Challa bound to Wakanda doing stuff that has no effect an anywhere else in the universe will do nothing to effect his profile in the MU at large.[/QUOTE]
I had the same feeling but the quote from above mentioned his ultimate teamates and other Marvel villains being involved.
[QUOTE=Dboi654;1498810]It doesn't have to. You don't need a character to be bold to the whole MU universe. When Thor is facing issues in Asgard they don't really affect Earth at all times unless the writers want it to[/QUOTE]
In all fairness though, T'Challa isn't necessarily in the same boat as a Thor (or a Captain America or a Spider-Man). Really established characters can pretty much tell whatever stories they want to in their own solo books because they're not going to get cancelled so they worry less about attracting new readers. And they're pretty much going to be used no matter what, so you don't need to worry about getting people to notice them.
For a character like Black Panther or Captain Marvel who are trying to get to the level of a Captain America or an Iron Man, the solo book needs to be able to convince readers and even other writers that these characters are players if all they had was the solo book. These are characters who belong on the big stage commanding the spotlight and a book is needed to show that.
Again, because T'Challa is in Ultimates I think the pressure is off of the BP solo book and it can largely do whatever it wants. But had T'Challa not been in Ultimates, I'd actually agree that the solo book should be used to mix T'Challa in the greater MU rather than isolating him to do his own thing off in Wakanda.
You essentially want him like Batman. He can do his own thing over in Gotham city punching out whatever criminal thug needs punching in his own book, but he's also still in the frontlines when Darkseid is about to conquer the universe in Justice League.
[QUOTE=XPac;1498780]I'm sure Wakandans and Atlanteans aren't going to be interested in being BFF's anytime soon. But if you're at the point where you literally destroyed each other, there's probably no point in further conflict. It would just be stupid at that point.
But the upside about both Wakanda and Atlantis is that they are monarchies... if their rulers can agree on peacefully resolving things, then to a large degree they don't have to pander to public opinion like a more democratic government might. If Namor and T'Challa (or Shuri if she's still alive and in charge) can make peace, then that'll be that.
Course, making peace with Atlantis might be a part of the reason why T'Challa might be having problems in Wakanda in his own book. There's certainly stuff to play with there, if they want to.[/QUOTE]
I mean... countries get into wars all the time, it doesn't mean they consistently stay at war forever.
[QUOTE=XPac;1498861]In all fairness though, T'Challa isn't necessarily in the same boat as a Thor (or a Captain America or a Spider-Man). Really established characters can pretty much tell whatever stories they want to in their own solo books because they're not going to get cancelled so they worry less about attracting new readers. And they're pretty much going to be used no matter what, so you don't need to worry about getting people to notice them.
For a character like Black Panther or Captain Marvel who are trying to get to the level of a Captain America or an Iron Man, the solo book needs to be able to convince readers and even other writers that these characters are players. These are characters who belong on the big stage commanding the spotlight.
Again, because T'Challa is in Ultimates I think the pressure is off of the BP solo book and it can largely do whatever it wants. But had T'Challa not been in Ultimates, I'd actually agree that the solo book should be used to mix T'Challa in the greater MU rather than isolating him to do his own thing off in Wakanda.
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You essentially want him like Batman. He can do his own thing over in Gotham city punching out whatever criminal thug needs punching in his own book, but he's also still in the frontlines when Darkseid is about to conquer the universe in Justice League.[/QUOTE]
I wish Ultimates had an A/B-lister on it though...
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1498857]I had the same feeling but the quote from above mentioned his ultimate teamates and other Marvel villains being involved.[/QUOTE]
That's the nice thing about Carol, T'Challa, and the Ultimates all essentially being linked in the same building. You almost HAVE to have them show up in each others books at occasionally. They're all right down the hall from each other. So it really triples the amount of books that T'Challa and Captain Marvel can potentially appear in (in addition to the other stuff Carol is involved in like A Force).
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1498567]Depending on how this all ends, if you are a T'challa fan you might WANT to read it all
really depends on the end though[/QUOTE]
I'm a T'Challa fan, but I had to step away, despite some good showings here and there I really haven't liked the direction of the overall storylines for a few years now
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1498866]I wish Ultimates had an A/B-lister on it though...[/QUOTE]
Honestly I do too.
The thing is that a lot of Marvel A listers, unlike say DC, aren't necessarily suited for the cosmic stuff. Captain America, Spider-Man, Wolverine... not necessarily front line guys you want when you're throwing down with Galactus.
Certainly Thor and Iron Man work in theory. And you can argue at least one of them should have been used. But they potentially steal the thunder (no pun intended for Thor) of other characters who serve similar functions. Having Stark potentially forces a T'Challa and a Blue Marvel to share the tech stuff, while having a Thor potentiall takes away from BM on the heavy hitter front.
Balancing sales vs storytelling is always a bit of a balancing act.
[QUOTE=XPac;1498882]Honestly I do too.
The thing is that a lot of Marvel A listers, unlike say DC, aren't necessarily suited for the cosmic stuff. Captain America, Spider-Man, Wolverine... not necessarily front line guys you want when you're throwing down with Galactus.
Certainly Thor and Iron Man work in theory. And you can argue at least one of them should have been used. But they potentially steal the thunder (no pun intended for Thor) of other characters who serve similar functions. Having Stark potentially forces a T'Challa and a Blue Marvel to share the tech stuff, while having a Thor potentiall takes away from BM on the heavy hitter front.
Balancing sales vs storytelling is always a bit of a balancing act.[/QUOTE]
I think Iron Man could work, but I still think Odinson could do better entertainment wise. I think BM could still be a/the heavy hitter, but Odinson is more of a brawler and I think this team could use that.
[QUOTE=XPac;1498882]Honestly I do too.
The thing is that a lot of Marvel A listers, unlike say DC, aren't necessarily suited for the cosmic stuff. Captain America, Spider-Man, Wolverine... not necessarily front line guys you want when you're throwing down with Galactus.
Certainly Thor and Iron Man work in theory. And you can argue at least one of them should have been used. But they potentially steal the thunder (no pun intended for Thor) of other characters who serve similar functions. Having Stark potentially forces a T'Challa and a Blue Marvel to share the tech stuff, while having a Thor potentiall takes away from BM on the heavy hitter front.
Balancing sales vs storytelling is always a bit of a balancing act.[/QUOTE]
I think Thor would have been perfect
He's devoted his life (ok, LIVES) to protecting Midgard from threats, including many cosmic ones.
Especially with Jane stealing his thunder (hehehe) right now, him being in another book would have been fine. His knowledge of the realms and whatever could have been used as well.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1498894]I think Thor would have been perfect
He's devoted his life (ok, LIVES) to protecting Midgard from threats, including many cosmic ones.
Especially with Jane stealing his thunder (hehehe) right now, him being in another book would have been fine. His knowledge of the realms and whatever could have been used as well.[/QUOTE]
Thor is generally speaking considered THE Big Gun at least as far as the big name marvel heroes. So you do almost have to wonder why he's not in this book depending on his status quo.
The other big question mark is Reed. SImilar to Thor, if one were to make a team for this specific function he'd be one of the first (if not THE first) you would think of. So perhaps his post Secret Wars status quo would keep him occupied.
I suppose at least from an in-story perspective availability might be a big part of the issue as to who is on the team. Which isn't to say that I don't like the team as is because I do. But again, I do agree that if possible adding an A lister in there somewhere probably would have been a good idea.
[QUOTE=Dboi654;1498786]But what about Shuri ?[/QUOTE]
Maybe she comes back, just not as Queen.
Or she doesn't come back, which I hope isn't the case. Really like her character.
T'Challa has been involved with the greater MU for the last few years though with NA, OS and now SW. I think the direction with this solo is fine. It needs to be re-established that he's a king first and foremost and his top priority is his country and protecting his people.
I just hope the conflict is actually compelling and the villains are interesting and memorable. That was my main problem with DeConnick's Captain Marvel run.